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krndandaman
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Deleted User 183001
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On August 27 2011 04:37 krndandaman wrote: Ivy's in the U.S. are a crapshoot. Amazing GPA, AP's, SAT's are just requirements to apply. You friend probably did not show diversity, leadership, or great extra curriculars. lol yea. my mom had a terrible GPA in highschool because she was going to major in art but changed her junior year and actually started to study. she still got into Korea University (one of the "ivies" in korea) with a scholarship because she did really good on the test. Lol he did have diversity, leadership, extra currics, and achievements in all of those on top of that. Seriously. This guy was ideal. Only thing lacking was the GPA because it was not possible to go higher at that school, and had it been higher, he could have done half as much with other things, and gotten into Harvard. Meanwhile, people who have nothing to their name but a ridiculously high GPA and a pretty good (doesn't even need to be super exceptional) standardized test score can get into those places quite fine, and I've known a few (and myself, lol, although I had quite a bit more in the way of other credentials). I got into some really good univs., but I got little in the way of fin. aid. for those ones, and paying ~$60,000 a year is not very nice. Btw, the best way to get into Ivy's is to come from a family with money and/or some sort of influence. lol My point is: If you have a ridiculously high GPA, you're set. Also, if you're from a large ethnic minority in the US, you're seriously set (affirmative action takes wayyy too much action). That's why I've told some parents not to send their kids to private schools, and if they insist, not sending them to an insane one that will hamper their GPA drastically compared to other schools. There is a colossal difference in the eyes of admissions boards between a student who worked insanely hard like extremely determined Korean students and got a 4.4 at an insane school like my friend's or mine, or someone who worked less at your average public school (even in high-class metropolitan California or Massachusetts where standards are a lot higher than in say, Missouri) and got 4.8+. They like the second case a lot more. And you know what? Those admissions boards don't know and don't care that case 1 slaved far more and is a lot smarter than case 2, and as long as case 2 didn't completely bomb the SAT compared to 1, they'll easily pick them. I spent quite a bit of time talking to folks who work in this sort of thing because I like finding out how things work. GPA is colossal despite some advisors say you it's like the 3rd or 4th most important thing (at least some of the ones I've come across. Other advisors and admissions boards I've talked to being straightforward and blunt with me have said quite different). | ||
Chill
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krndandaman
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On August 27 2011 05:06 krndandaman wrote: No one here is arguing that double eye-lid surgery is wrong, or Korea thinking having a white-face is beautiful is wrong. I am not disgusted by the Korean standards of beauty, but the fact that everyone is pressured to conform to those standards. In America, no one pressures me to tan and tell me my white skin is ugly. No one tells me that I need braces or be forever ugly with crooked teeth. In Korea, it's nothing surprising if someone flat out says you're ugly because of the size of your head or the color tone of your skin. That is just wrong imo. Isn't this more about the openness of beauty rather than the problem with the ideals? | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
On August 27 2011 05:07 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Lol he did have diversity, leadership, extra currics, and achievements in all of those on top of that. Seriously. This guy was ideal. Only thing lacking was the GPA because it was not possible to go higher at that school, and had it been higher, he could have done half as much with other things, and gotten into Harvard. Meanwhile, people who have nothing to their name but a ridiculously high GPA and a pretty good (doesn't even need to be super exceptional) standardized test score can get into those places quite fine, and I've known a few (and myself, lol, although I had quite a bit more in the way of other credentials). I got into some really good univs., but I got little in the way of fin. aid. for those ones, and paying ~$60,000 a year is not very nice. Btw, the best way to get into Ivy's is to come from a family with money and/or some sort of influence. lol My point is: If you have a ridiculously high GPA, you're set. Also, if you're from a large ethnic minority in the US, you're seriously set (affirmative action takes wayyy too much action). That's why I've told some parents not to send their kids to private schools, and if they insist, not sending them to an insane one that will hamper their GPA drastically compared to other schools. There is a colossal difference in the eyes of admissions boards between a student who worked insanely hard like extremely determined Korean students and got a 4.4 at an insane school like my friend's or mine, or someone who worked less at your average public school (even in high-class metropolitan California or Massachusetts where standards are a lot higher than in say, Missouri) and got 4.8+. They like the second case a lot more. And you know what? Those admissions boards don't know and don't care that case 1 slaved far more and are a lot smarter than case 2. I spent quite a bit of time talking to folks who work in this sort of thing because I like finding out how things work. GPA is colossal. I agree with your perspective on affirmative action but not much else. It is true there might be some injustice based on which high school you came from (more competitive, so lower GPAs) but, in general, I don't that GPA is all-deciding factor. Not even close to it. As long as you are above a certain level (let's say above 4.2 weighted), GPA becomes a non-factor and other things come to play. For instance, my GPA was lower than many people in my HS but I ended up in better private universities than they did. I also can't agree you need to come from a well-to-do family. For the elite private universities ( think harvard princeton yale stanford), if your family makes less than 100k a year, the tuition is free of charge. Of course, a household with higher income will tend to have parents who will push their children more etc. but I don't think that was your point. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
The girl who told the story about the friend, who tried to commit suicide 5 times was pretty cute, don't understand why she would ever consider PS, on the other hand she had double eyelids so she might have alrdy had her PSs. And I just read a bit about that filmmaker girl from the usa, pretty baller although I haven't watched her other movie there it must have been quite good if she got to meet Obama^^ and a full scholarship for a korean exchange year is a sign that she's not "random". Somehow she's familiar to me though.... am I mistaken or is she the one cellar ones skyped with while streaming? | ||
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krndandaman
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domovoi
United States1478 Posts
On August 27 2011 05:07 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Lol he did have diversity, leadership, extra currics, and achievements in all of those on top of that. Seriously. This guy was ideal. Only thing lacking was the GPA because it was not possible to go higher at that school, and had it been higher, he could have done half as much with other things, and gotten into Harvard. Meanwhile, people who have nothing to their name but a ridiculously high GPA and a pretty good (doesn't even need to be super exceptional) standardized test score can get into those places quite fine, and I've known a few (and myself, lol, although I had quite a bit more in the way of other credentials). I got into some really good univs., but I got little in the way of fin. aid. for those ones, and paying ~$60,000 a year is not very nice. Btw, the best way to get into Ivy's is to come from a family with money and/or some sort of influence. lol My point is: If you have a ridiculously high GPA, you're set. Also, if you're from a large ethnic minority in the US, you're seriously set (affirmative action takes wayyy too much action). That's why I've told some parents not to send their kids to private schools, and if they insist, not sending them to an insane one that will hamper their GPA drastically compared to other schools. There is a colossal difference in the eyes of admissions boards between a student who worked insanely hard like extremely determined Korean students and got a 4.4 at an insane school like my friend's or mine, or someone who worked less at your average public school (even in high-class metropolitan California or Massachusetts where standards are a lot higher than in say, Missouri) and got 4.8+. They like the second case a lot more. And you know what? Those admissions boards don't know and don't care that case 1 slaved far more and is a lot smarter than case 2, and as long as case 2 didn't completely bomb the SAT compared to 1, they'll easily pick them. I spent quite a bit of time talking to folks who work in this sort of thing because I like finding out how things work. GPA is colossal despite some advisors say you it's like the 3rd or 4th most important thing (at least some of the ones I've come across. Other advisors and admissions boards I've talked to being straightforward and blunt with me have said quite different). I'm not sure what happened to your friend, but college admissions would have noticed that he got the highest GPA he could possibly get at his high school. At my public high school 4.0 was the highest GPA you could get, and there was no shortage of ivy leaguers. A very high GPA with middling SAT is not a guarantee of success. In fact, college admissions probably weigh the SAT/ACT slightly more than your GPA, because the latter is not standardized. In any case, 4.4 is still higher than the average GPA of accepted applicants for all the Ivy Leagues. | ||
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sechkie
United States334 Posts
On August 27 2011 05:04 AsnSensation wrote: How are the circumstances for college in korea then btw? If it's as hard as highschool, I think I might have to reconsider my plan to study 1/2-1 year inn SK in 2-3 years :D gained much more respect for Polt/optimus btw if he really attends the korean harvard and still has formidable college succes. From what I know, compared to high school, college is easier (backwards of the US) but that's because from here on out you are in the program and basically just have to get through it. Of course you want to do well to be able to get better positions, but the hardest part has been to get into the top flight programs. | ||
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benbrad2
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On August 27 2011 05:07 Chill wrote: I would do anything in my power to raise my children outside of Asia. me too and I am korean myself as well. I remember coming home at 12am when I was grade 5. Studying for the final exam in Elementary School. | ||
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GhostKorean
United States2330 Posts
On August 27 2011 03:08 Prfx wrote: This reminds me of this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=225973 If really everyone studies like that shouldn't Korea be a country full of lawyers and doctores? Also makes me wonder if their average education and their elite scientists really are that far above that of the in comparison lazy western cultures. That's the problem. The top is so damn competitive that you need to study all day and night to have a chance to be up there. | ||
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kakaman
United States1576 Posts
To give you an idea how must beauty is ingrained in the society, when you apply to jobs, you need to attach a photo of yourself. Employers will literally reject candidates if they aren't beautiful, regardless of their qualifications. That's fucked up. | ||
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Spicy Pepper
United States632 Posts
On August 27 2011 05:07 Chill wrote: I would do anything in my power to raise my children outside of Asia. Since, someone would have to want to procreate with you first. I remember looking at the statistics on plastic surgery, and SK was the highest, but compared with their general population, it was still pretty low. It's not like 1/2 the population has had it done, so don't worry, plenty of uglies still around. On August 27 2011 04:50 phosphorylation wrote: I'm just saying koreans have increasingly adopted the western perspective and culture, often without much discretion, all of which leads to such sad, misguided opinions of beauty. Do you think, for example, koreans in the chosun dynasty (200 years ago eg.) would have thought westerns were "hotter" on average? I remember talking to a few college Asian girls (Chinese, I believe), and they told me that after coming to America and seeing everyday Americans, they thought white people were actually pretty ugly. This was different from their perception, which was mainly influenced by media. On August 27 2011 04:54 Absolutionn wrote: The part about the stress of studying causing suicide............ that's so horrible. I hope it doesnt happen often because if it does this is an issue S. Korea should really address with the school system. Also, people are missing out on a major aspect of their culture. Think about the short amount of time they have risen from poverty to becoming a first world economy and nation. It's nothing short of incredible. When evaluation a situation, it's critical to consider that any perceived negatives are actually positives, due to a possibility of an "opportunity cost" type of effect. Now, I'm not saying that necessarily is the case in terms of the stresses and pitfalls of their high school system, but you have to consider it. By the way, I know a few Harvard grads that have done some work in the public school systems of America. We have plenty of faults. Lastly, what is the problem with stressing beauty in a culture? I wish more Americans would consider being fat, an absolutely disgusting trait that teens should be openly talking to each other to avoid, since it is. It's so unhealthy and life threatening, and look at the obesity statistics. The lack of sexual appeal from a piece of lard is a pretty clear sign from Mother Nature. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Thrill
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Chill
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On August 27 2011 05:33 Spicy Pepper wrote: Are you kidding me? hahahaFirst, I'm sure alot of uglies are posting in this thread. Judging from a few known "lookers", I find comments like this hilarious. Since, someone would have to want to procreate with you first. | ||
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Spicy Pepper
United States632 Posts
On August 27 2011 05:38 Chill wrote: Are you kidding me? hahaha You have pretty eyes. | ||
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Chill
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KimJongChill
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On August 27 2011 05:12 krndandaman wrote: College in korea is a joke. My dad went to the "harvard" of korea (seoul university) and my mom went to the #2 school (korea university) and both told me it was infinitely easier than high school. My cousins who are in college all told me all they do is party, hang out with friends, and have tons of free time. Sure there is some work, but it's child's play to those who survived korean high school. The impressive thing about a progamer who goes to a top university is that he managed to put hours practicing a game while studying like a madman to get into a top korean university. but then again, the kids who spend 16hours studying are usually the ones who arent as "naturally gifted" and try to keep up with those at the top. My friends in my dorm have told me there are several kids who are just straight up gifted and only need to study a couple hours a day to get into their university of choice. How many ivy's did he apply to? if he applied to ivy's other than HYPSM also then he's just EXTREMELY unlucky. If so, I'm extremely surprised. If he did have diversity/leadership like you said he should've been accepted to at least 1 Ivy. Are you sure you're not mistaking diversity/leadership? I'm not talking like 4 years bowling, 4 years Key club, 4 years math olympiad, 4 years model UN. That has no focus on anything and colleges look for people with a focus. Either way, Ivy's are truly a crapshoot and your friend might be one of the unluckiest college applicants I have ever heard of. Since when is a 4.4 low? (weighted right? Cause UW maximum is 4) 4.4 is not too low for ivy's... that's pretty much average for an ivy candidate. Also afaik, colleges take into consideration the maximum GPA of your school and how GPA is relative to a school. Several admissions people have told me this and after 2 years of reading CollegeConfidential I've only read that college people take all this into consideration. My school sucks hard academically and our top kids still get into good colleges because they did the best they can with what they had. He was probably asian. Also, 4 is the maxium UW GPA. They don't care about weighted. | ||
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benbrad2
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On August 27 2011 03:08 Prfx wrote: This reminds me of this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=225973 If really everyone studies like that shouldn't Korea be a country full of lawyers and doctores? Also makes me wonder if their average education and their elite scientists really are that far above that of the in comparison lazy western cultures. Sure, you can say Koreans are smart because of their study habits. It's obvious since you study 16 hours a day and sleep less than 6 hours. You essentially become a slave but instead of working, you study. however, tons and tons of students are not able to continue their studies because of lack of enrollment positions available in universities. Demand far outweighs the supply of university in Korea... you have no idea... Not to mention the tuition fee is disproportional to the minimum wage or average salary of korean house hold. You may doubt me but I have friends in Korea who make $5 bucks an hour and that's pretty decent for a student. Kind of ridiculous when these students try to pay tuition which costs over 8k a year (including dorm, meal, books) By the way, keep in mind that this film is meant to make matters worse than they actually appear to be. i.e - Girls falling asleep like a hobo passed out after having a booz But in reality, korean schooling system is backward. They study hard for 4 years to get into university, and once your in, there is no competition other than to graduate. Graduating is very easy in Korea, its getting in that's very hard since you compete with the whole country not just your town like many schools in North America. Someone above whose parents graduated from korean #1 and #2 university said it right. Once your in university, studying becomes #2 priority. the #1 priority is getting along with people and forming strong relationship with your friends. There are groups called "dong ah ri" which are basically clubs based on your interest. There are "TONS" of them in universities. You can join any and they do so many things together. They play sports, travel, party and MT which is like camping. | ||
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