Korean Highschool Documentry - Page 8

ClanRH.TV

United States462 Posts

August 26 2011 21:13 GMT

#141

That is pretty bad....feel sorry for those who could be living if it weren't for this type of education system. Then again, they do have "great test scores." My idea of a bad trade-off.

epikAnglory

United States1120 Posts

August 26 2011 21:14 GMT

#142

The preview is only out right now, it's set to be released later this year.

The film is scheduled to be finished around August, 2012.

Philo

United States337 Posts

August 26 2011 21:25 GMT

#143

On August 27 2011 06:09 krndandaman wrote:

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On August 27 2011 05:52 Spicy Pepper wrote:

On August 27 2011 05:43 krndandaman wrote:

On August 27 2011 05:33 Spicy Pepper wrote:
First, I'm sure alot of uglies are posting in this thread. Judging from a few known "lookers", I find comments like this hilarious.

On August 27 2011 05:07 Chill wrote:
I would do anything in my power to raise my children outside of Asia.

Since, someone would have to want to procreate with you first.

I remember looking at the statistics on plastic surgery, and SK was the highest, but compared with their general population, it was still pretty low. It's not like 1/2 the population has had it done, so don't worry, plenty of uglies still around.

On August 27 2011 04:50 phosphorylation wrote:

On August 27 2011 04:43 StorkHwaiting wrote:

On August 27 2011 04:39 phosphorylation wrote:

On August 27 2011 04:22 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Tbh, a lot of Korean women, and Asians in general, are naturally not pretty. Many Asians agree Asian people are on average uglier than Westerners. I think it's sad, but true. Asians make up for it by aging a lot better and generally being much healthier/slender than their Western counterparts.

That is pretty subjective.
I just think that is western-centric perspective; of course, it is also true many koreans (unfortunately) have this perspective.
This isn't the case for me and I would take an "average" Asian girl over a "hot" caucasian girl any day, given everything else is equal.

I don't see how it's a western-centric perspective. Most Westerners think Asians are exotic and hot, even ones that are ugly (Like Lucy Liu). To me, it's a bigger tell when Asians themselves agree Asians are not good looking. It's rare for a culture to be self-hating.

Then again, highest avg IQ's are Jewish people then Asians. Both these populations have a long history of self-loathing LOL. So maybe intelligence is a factor? XD

I'm just saying koreans have increasingly adopted the western perspective and culture, often without much discretion, all of which leads to such sad, misguided opinions of beauty.

Do you think, for example, koreans in the chosun dynasty (200 years ago eg.) would have thought westerns were "hotter" on average?

I remember talking to a few college Asian girls (Chinese, I believe), and they told me that after coming to America and seeing everyday Americans, they thought white people were actually pretty ugly. This was different from their perception, which was mainly influenced by media.

On August 27 2011 04:54 Absolutionn wrote:
The part about the stress of studying causing suicide............ that's so horrible. I hope it doesnt happen often because if it does this is an issue S. Korea should really address with the school system.

Also, people are missing out on a major aspect of their culture. Think about the short amount of time they have risen from poverty to becoming a first world economy and nation. It's nothing short of incredible.

When evaluation a situation, it's critical to consider that any perceived negatives are actually positives, due to a possibility of an "opportunity cost" type of effect. Now, I'm not saying that necessarily is the case in terms of the stresses and pitfalls of their high school system, but you have to consider it.

By the way, I know a few Harvard grads that have done some work in the public school systems of America. We have plenty of faults.

Lastly, what is the problem with stressing beauty in a culture? I wish more Americans would consider being fat, an absolutely disgusting trait that teens should be openly talking to each other to avoid, since it is. It's so unhealthy and life threatening, and look at the obesity statistics. The lack of sexual appeal from a piece of lard is a pretty clear sign from Mother Nature.

I think plastic surgery percent for females hovers around 50%.

My Korean friends (who are male) explained to me quite simply that "so many ugly girls in korea but so many hot girls too. in america, not alot of ugly girls but not alot of hot girls"

http://www.asianplasticsurgeryguide.com/news10-2/081003_south-korea-highest.html

First link I saw, but
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I'm not sure how many people that covers, but if it was really 50%, then you have alot of ground to make up.

Those statistics include children, teens, young adults, middle aged, elderly people.
ALL ages and BOTH sexes.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090126151524AA6nEhX
Yeah its yahoo answers but the answerer has sources.
Says 76% here for women in 20s/30s.

A little more clarification on numbers (read I'm better at picking results from the 1st page of Google, tighten up).

"According to ARA, plastic surgery has become so common that an estimated 30 percent of Korean women aged 20 to 50, or some 2.4 million women, had surgical or nonsurgical cosmetic procedures last year, with many having more than one procedure."

"That compares with 11.7 million cosmetic procedures performed last year in the United States, according to the American Society for Aesthetic Plastic Surgery, meaning that the number of procedures in America is 4.9 times the number in South Korea, though the United States population is more than six times larger."
Source

There wouldn't be a market large enough to support all those surgeries in America if people didn't feel pressured to look a certain way. Maybe Westerners should look to our own a little more carefully before we criticize.

pred470r

Bulgaria3265 Posts

August 26 2011 21:28 GMT

#144

LOL I just saw the entire preview, and I gotta say that it had almost nothing in common with what the OP described. The entire thing was all about what Korean girls think is a pretty woman, and why they decide to go through a plastic surgery.
From what I can see there's an easy solution to their problem.
#1 Make it so that high-schools aren't girls/boys only, and instead mix them, so that they can interact easier, and probably get an actual idea of what the opposing sex finds attractive in them.
#2 Get laid ffs. The mentality "I have bracers, so that means 3 years forever alone" is just plainly bad.
#3 kind of similar to #1 get them to do some more out of class events, and camps so that they can interact more with other people.
#4 Don't be like your parents when you grow up, unless you want your kids to also commit suicide.
Problems solved
P.S. Don't wait till you finish high-school to get drunk for the first time, you don't know what you're missing out.

shurgen

350 Posts

August 26 2011 21:30 GMT

#145

Hmm... I'm not sure how to feel about this side-topic of how difficult it is to get into an Ivy League college.

I had a friend in high school with basically 0 extra curricular activities, an excellent but not mind-blowing GPA/average (from Canada), a normal public school, pretty strong SAT, and Oriental get into ivies without much difficulty... there definitely is a REALLY big luck factor imo.

Klaca

318 Posts

August 26 2011 21:38 GMT

#146

On August 27 2011 03:49 Philo wrote:

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I read on reddit they call Hannah Choi the interviewer/translator for GSL "Marauder Woman" because of her wider than average shoulders.
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It seems in Korea shit like that really matters. This doc has me really interested. I hope more Koreans will chime in here in the mean time about why this is such a popular attitude in Korea

Huh.

What??

Isnt it classically like.. wide hips = beauty? Where is this wide shoulder preference from? Strange thing to seek about women..

krndandaman

Mozambique16569 Posts

August 26 2011 21:41 GMT

#147

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ChinaLifeXXL

United States365 Posts

August 26 2011 21:43 GMT

#148

To be fair she is a bit closer than the other dudes in that shot though, perspective-wise.

Totally casting a shadow on 'em and all that, sorta thing.

lightson

45 Posts

August 26 2011 21:45 GMT

#149

Interesting.. though only about a quater of the teaser/trailer was about korean education, while the rest was about how they perceived beauty. tbh, a number of the korean students shown looked pretty/cute the way they were in my eyes, all of them were also very well groomed.

As for not being able to get into the top universities (which I guess is one of the main reason for high suicide rates?), I believe more and more koreans are taking advantage of the Won and going abroad to complete their post-sec education as an alternative. During my time in Malaysia, there were dozens and dozens of korean students doing 2+1 (or similar) program where they would complete their final year and get their degree from an Australian university (Queensland is a popular choice) Also here in Calgary, many korean students here as well, with the plan to complete their degree here, then go back to korea.

repsac

91 Posts

August 26 2011 21:56 GMT

#150

this chick has no ear for korean at all.

Chill

Calgary25997 Posts

August 27 2011 00:20 GMT

#151

On August 27 2011 03:49 Philo wrote:

Show nested quote +

I read on reddit they call Hannah Choi the interviewer/translator for GSL "Marauder Woman" because of her wider than average shoulders.
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Source
It seems in Korea shit like that really matters. This doc has me really interested. I hope more Koreans will chime in here in the mean time about why this is such a popular attitude in Korea

Yes. This is something I always found strange.

Western Conversation:
Do you think she's pretty?
She has a cute face but her legs a little bit thick.

Korean Conversation:
Do you think she's pretty.
No. Her nose is a little slanted and a little bit big. Her left eye is bigger than her right. Her cheeks are too round. Her neck is so short. etc. etc.

My point is that they really focus on details like the one you've highlighted with that picture.

GypsyBeast

Canada630 Posts

August 27 2011 00:26 GMT

#152

what a shitty life the parents should be ashamed

lvlashimaro

United States91 Posts

August 27 2011 01:59 GMT

#153

Korean high school is where insane and copious amounts of studying occur. Korean universities are MUCH MUCH more lax. Life is much better after high school is done. Whenever I go back to Korea, there's always a niece or nephew I can't get the chance to talk to because he or she is in high school. The college kids take me to all the clubs and show me around Seoul.

deadlywaffles

United States59 Posts

August 27 2011 02:44 GMT

#154

american schools are easy to get into, but hard to get out.

korean schools are hard to get into but easy to get out.

something really needs to be changed if the harder working asians are studying.. 16x longer than an american, but americans are the ones getting into college >.>

RavenLoud

Canada1100 Posts

August 27 2011 02:53 GMT

#155

Ha it's one of the reasons I'm glad that my parents moved to Canada. I have lots of relatives in China who are going through this "ultimate exam". IMO the asian education system need to be reformed in the near future in a way. People will start to notice that the ones who get really good grades (i.e.> really good university) aren't always the smartest/most capable guys in a workforce...plus they often have superiority complexes and lack emotional maturity.

It's quite unfair to base a person's entire future onto their ability to cram books.

Just my 2 cents.

Ponyo

United States1231 Posts

August 27 2011 03:13 GMT

#156

That is so different. Their culture can create a lot of amazing minds, but at what cost, and .. everyone else who doesn't get to that super high standard or can't handle stress..

white_horse

1019 Posts

August 27 2011 03:15 GMT

#157

A lot of you guys are making opinions about this from a western perspective, which honestly isn't a good method of looking at topics about Asia. An ultra competitive education system is what happens when you have a tiny country, a ton of people, a collective interest in being the best, and a cultural attitude of hard work. There's a reason why things like Korean shipbuilding or Korean electronics are the best in the world. I don't necessarily agree with their system but this kind of culture is very difficult to avoid in a place like korea.

achilless

41 Posts

August 27 2011 03:24 GMT

#158

its simple human "never get satisfied"

Malgrif

Canada1095 Posts

August 27 2011 03:30 GMT

#159

On August 27 2011 11:53 RavenLoud wrote:
Ha it's one of the reasons I'm glad that my parents moved to Canada. I have lots of relatives in China who are going through this "ultimate exam". IMO the asian education system need to be reformed in the near future in a way. People will start to notice that the ones who get really good grades (i.e.> really good university) aren't always the smartest/most capable guys in a workforce...plus they often have superiority complexes and lack emotional maturity.

It's quite unfair to base a person's entire future onto their ability to cram books.

Just my 2 cents.

the people who got into really good universities worked hard for it, why should "smartest/most capable guys" get preference over people who work there asses off to get where they are? i like how they put emphasis on hard work.