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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Spicy Pepper
United States632 Posts
Btw, the best way to get into Ivy's is to come from a family with money and/or some sort of influence. lol I went to an Ivy, and this idea that you need family money or influence to get in, is exaggerated. I'm thinking of people in my dorm of 400-500. One famous director's daughter, a few important people's kids, but the vast majority were just regular people. | ||
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pred470r
Bulgaria3265 Posts
And also, they study for 16hours a day for how long? This shit is crazy the longest I can study is about 5-6 hours and that's not more that 5-6 days in a row. These people sound pretty crazy to me. | ||
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chenchen
United States1136 Posts
A lot of it stems from traditional East Asian beauty standards. Koreans are aware/think that a lot of white people including their eyes are ugly. | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
On August 27 2011 05:45 Spicy Pepper wrote: I went to an Ivy, and this idea that you need family money or influence to get in, is exaggerated. I'm thinking of people in my dorm of 400-500. One famous director's daughter, a few important people's kids, but the vast majority were just regular people. Well at schools like HYP, there are more admissions based on connections. But in general admissions, are accommodating, although it's tough for middle-class families to afford that kind of tuition. There's financial aid and all, but some families, like mine, get absolutely screwed over. | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On August 27 2011 05:13 phosphorylation wrote: I agree with your perspective on affirmative action but not much else. It is true there might be some injustice based on which high school you came from (more competitive, so lower GPAs) but, in general, I don't that GPA is all-deciding factor. Not even close to it. As long as you are above a certain level (let's say above 4.2 weighted), GPA becomes a non-factor and other things come to play. For instance, my GPA was lower than many people in my HS but I ended up in better private universities than they did. I also can't agree you need to come from a well-to-do family. For the elite private universities ( think harvard princeton yale stanford), if your family makes less than 100k a year, the tuition is free of charge. Of course, a household with higher income will tend to have parents who will push their children more etc. but I don't think that was your point. I wasn't talking about financial aid to accepted students. I was talking about that being from a wealthy / influential family is a colossal factor with universities, especially higher private ones. I was more referring to that households with high income (like wealthy class) and/or influence are just chosen almost instantly (a great example is political families). An example I know personally is a girl who was like < 3.0 GPA and shit SAT scores and nothing else and got into USC because her parents are rather wealthy. GPA is a huge issue, unless admissions boards are lying to me and some of my friends are flukes. Above 4.2, you're in the range where you have at least half a shot at most univs. But if you're 4.6+, you're guaranteed pretty much anywhere, and if you're even higher, you're golden. Are you a minority? If so, then what you say is no surprise. If not, then you were quite fortunate, unless your friends with higher GPA literally did nothing other than school work, and had bad test scores compared to you, and no extra currics. Affirmative action is pretty big. I know a guy who had very little in the way of extra currics., about the same test cores, and less GPA than me, and got into Stanford. I don't want to sound conspiratorial, but I think him being east Asian had a bit to do with that (btw, the brilliant dude I've been mentioning in my last two posts is white). How many ivy's did he apply to? if he applied to ivy's other than HYPSM also then he's just EXTREMELY unlucky. If so, I'm extremely surprised. If he did have diversity/leadership like you said he should've been accepted to at least 1 Ivy. Are you sure you're not mistaking diversity/leadership? I'm not talking like 4 years bowling, 4 years Key club, 4 years math olympiad, 4 years model UN. That has no focus on anything and colleges look for people with a focus. Either way, Ivy's are truly a crapshoot and your friend might be one of the unluckiest college applicants I have ever heard of. Since when is a 4.4 low? (weighted right? Cause UW maximum is 4) 4.4 is not too low for ivy's... that's pretty much average for an ivy candidate. Also afaik, colleges take into consideration the maximum GPA of your school and how GPA is relative to a school. Several admissions people have told me this and after 2 years of reading CollegeConfidential I've only read that college people take all this into consideration. My school sucks hard academically and our top kids still get into good colleges because they did the best they can with what they had. I don't know which ones he applied to, but I do know he applied to Cornell (generally the easiest) for sure. Yeah, he was pretty unlucky. I don't get what you mean by not having a focus having hurt him. Nearly all of the things he did were focused on academics (math club, academic competition league, etc.), with a couple things outside like theater and sports. I can't see how that would hurt him, or anyone. I would think admission boards would jizz themselves upon seeing that. If anything, what hurt him is the admission board seeing how distinguished he was everywhere, but thought he was slacking academically since he only had a ~4.4 GPA. They don't know and don't care if you went to an insane school. They seem to assume everyone goes to schools of very similar degree. If admissions people just consider max. GPA of your school and GPA relative to the school, I would be a prime candidate for Harvard very easily. Still, for them to do that would be really stupid. How do they know the school has low standards and no one does much work and isn't very competitive? How do they know if, rather, it's highly competitive (like mine and that of my friend) but since few honors and AP classes are offered, GPAs can't get as high? It's an extremely foolish way to do things (I say that and it would actually benefit me), and if some colleges do it that way, that is quite shocking. The seemingly far more common way of just looking at things across the board is better... just go to a public school, or a private school that allows you to get about the same GPA for a similar amount of work (and doesn't have low caps where less than 4.5 is the max. you can get), and you will be fine if you are particularly ambitious. If you think he's unlucky, I have a friend at univ. that had about a 4.7 GPA, was involved in math/science things all 4 years in high school, has some related rewards and whatnot, killed the SAT and ACT, and was denied from Caltech and MIT and a couple Ivy's. Wowzers O_o | ||
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Spicy Pepper
United States632 Posts
On August 27 2011 05:43 krndandaman wrote: I think plastic surgery percent for females hovers around 50%. My Korean friends (who are male) explained to me quite simply that "so many ugly girls in korea but so many hot girls too. in america, not alot of ugly girls but not alot of hot girls" http://www.asianplasticsurgeryguide.com/news10-2/081003_south-korea-highest.html First link I saw, but ![[image loading]](http://www.asianplasticsurgeryguide.com/images3/pp10k.gif) I'm not sure how many people that covers, but if it was really 50%, then you have alot of ground to make up. | ||
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
On a more serious note though, the whole suicide part was very disturbing indeed... Though to some extent, I understand why those people would commit suicide. They were (presumably) raised with their parents having very very high expectations, and they were taught from a young age that school is EVERYTHING. So if they fail out in school, it's "over". If they dissapoint their parents, it's "over". | ||
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benbrad2
103 Posts
Let me shine some light into this. Seoul girls. | ||
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tl4life
Canada247 Posts
Seriously tough their standards are way too high, and that eyelid glue thing... that's just sad, it almost makes no difference. | ||
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
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Steamroller
Finland756 Posts
On August 27 2011 05:07 Chill wrote: I would do anything in my power to raise my children outside of Asia. This. Crazy Koreans. Has no one yet mentioned about the strict rules of Korean schools? I quess here is some student who did not pay attention in the class. | ||
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Tarot
Canada440 Posts
On August 27 2011 05:51 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Affirmative action is pretty big. I know a guy who had very little in the way of extra currics., about the same test cores, and less GPA than me, and got into Stanford. I don't want to sound conspiratorial, but I think him being east Asian had a bit to do with that (btw, the brilliant dude I've been mentioning in my last two posts is white). I think you're friend was just unlucky and your east Asian friend got lucky. Affirmative action in elite US schools works against East Asians, not for. | ||
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Spicy Pepper
United States632 Posts
On August 27 2011 05:49 KimJongChill wrote: Well at schools like HYP, there are more admissions based on connections. But in general admissions, are accommodating, although it's tough for middle-class families to afford that kind of tuition. There's financial aid and all, but some families, like mine, get absolutely screwed over. The first college girlfriend paid $2-3k per semester (I would guess her parents made $50k/year at best in NY), my roommate paid $5k, I paid $10k. Ivy schools are very active about making sure tuition is affordable, and some have been taking measure with the end-goal of covering all tuition. It's need-based cost. I never heard of a single story of someone who had problems with tuition. Now maybe they were just quiet about it, but it would've cost me the same to go to UMass, BU, etc. | ||
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benbrad2
103 Posts
On August 27 2011 06:00 Steamroller wrote: This. Crazy Koreans. Has no one yet mentioned about the strict rules of Korean schools? I quess here is some student who did not pay attention in the class. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMTXnf7mnZI Ouch... Anger management much? This guy is out of control | ||
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Philo
United States337 Posts
On August 27 2011 06:00 Steamroller wrote: This. Crazy Koreans. Has no one yet mentioned about the strict rules of Korean schools? I quess here is some student who did not pay attention in the class. + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMTXnf7mnZI I bet he was txting. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Spicy Pepper
United States632 Posts
On August 27 2011 06:01 Tarot wrote: I think you're friend was just unlucky and your east Asian friend got lucky. Affirmative action in elite US schools works against East Asians, not for. This is spot on. UC Berkeley is the prime example. They stopped affirmative action, and with blind admissions, it's basically become an Asian campus. http://www.browndailyherald.com/2.12237/without-affirmative-action-asian-admission-rates-rise-1.1671413 Berkeley's freshmen admits were 41.7 percent Asian American or Pacific Islander in fall 2007, according to a Berkeley brochure. | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
On August 27 2011 06:01 Tarot wrote: I think you're friend was just unlucky and your east Asian friend got lucky. Affirmative action in elite US schools works against East Asians, not for. Um yea. this guy is pretty off-base in many things. East Asians get gypped pretty hard for admissions to elite private collegs. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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