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On August 19 2011 06:19 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 06:16 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:
YEAH AMERICA GET EM
But seriously that's BS, 57 FTs to 15? You've gotta be joking me. I don't really know if you can call the OP biased; if you look at the video the Chinese players run off the bench and basically maul one player, and then chase another one to the sidelines and start beating on him. That's just thuggish and doesn't belong in the sport. Can't imagine any colleges are going to want to go play there in the future after this shit. If this was between two NBA teams, the first thing I think of is not "holy shit, refs are being bought" I would think "holy shit one team played really rough and got a lot of fouls called..." but I guess once it's another country involved, American pride overtakes common sense right?
If one team had 57 fouls in a game I'd be wondering what the fuck happened since that would foul out pretty much everyone. To put it a different way, this would be like one team getting 8 red cards in a match.
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Looking at the video, it seemed really violent...I couldn't tell too well of course, but there were numerous separate incidents within the vid of some of the Chinese players/bench/fans(?) literally chasing down some of the American players and beating them up...at least no one got hurt.
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On August 19 2011 06:46 Wren wrote:
I watched the other NCAA team in China this morning: Duke vs. the Chinese Jr. national team. If officiating was as bad in the GT game as it was in the Duke game (and the box score suggests it was worse), then I can see how tempers would flair, easily.
The Big East is a rough conference, and Georgetown is a physical team that will occasionally border on something worse. This was essentially the perfect combination, with a rough American team vs. a rough army team.
I'm glad nobody got hurt, but am way more amused by this incident than surprised.
edit: the incidents started before the video does, you can't take the first moments of the video as the start of the incident.
Even if Georgetown was a valid instigator throwing a punch is crossing a line, then the whole team getting up to fight not break up the fight is another line being crossed. As a principle said to me in the 2nd grade herp. Although the bible did teach me Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. ofc i only did read the first half
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Apparently from what I've read this specific Chinese team has a past with brawls. It's kind of sad that this stuff happens. You can clearly tell the Chinese are going a lot more crazy than geortgetown. Oh well, I work at a Chinese restaurant and they are siding with georgetown
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On August 19 2011 06:51 Contagious wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 06:19 Condor Hero wrote:On August 19 2011 06:16 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:
YEAH AMERICA GET EM
But seriously that's BS, 57 FTs to 15? You've gotta be joking me. I don't really know if you can call the OP biased; if you look at the video the Chinese players run off the bench and basically maul one player, and then chase another one to the sidelines and start beating on him. That's just thuggish and doesn't belong in the sport. Can't imagine any colleges are going to want to go play there in the future after this shit. If this was between two NBA teams, the first thing I think of is not "holy shit, refs are being bought" I would think "holy shit one team played really rough and got a lot of fouls called..." but I guess once it's another country involved, American pride overtakes common sense right? This would happen to any country, not just America. Don't try and make it sound like it's all "America's" fault. Sometimes you get terrible refs, and none of us have seen the game so none of us can comment on what specifically happen, but 54 free throws to 15 is pretty fucking ridiculous, but I've take it you've probably never watched/played basketball.
I've watched/played basketball since before Michael's second retirement.
All I said was that free throws (which hints at foul play but doesn't proof anything) is insufficient evidence to justify OP's obviously huge bias.
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From what i see China team was horrible at the free-throw , American team hacked their asses and they got pissed as fuck.
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Wow. The free throw disparity really ticks me off. I used to play basketball quite a lot but had to stop cus of a broken foot but bought/bias refs are the worst. And i feel bad for these Georgetown players who came down to China to play a friendly and have this happen. The refs are the ones to blame in this one. That link to the hoya's forum said that they were being called for intentional fouls everytime they went down the court? That is bs, and that ref should be embarrassed.
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On August 19 2011 06:50 [Agony]x90 wrote:
From my understanding. How Chinese players and American players play basketball is very different. A friend of mine who plays basketball who is also Chinese wrote a blog on this. He talked about how the Chinese players basically took turns with the ball. Very often, they would play 1v1. One person would attack and the other defend. Same as in America for 1v1. However, if the offensive player missed a shot, he would not even try to rebound! They would simply let the defender pick it up, bring it back court and switch sides.
I'm not saying that there wasn't bias on the ref's part (there probably was), but I also bet that the American team was playing a different game than the Chinese were used to. This may have lead to frustration, because what is possibly normally considered "dirty" playing by the Chinese is totally normal for Americans.
I feel like the Chinese would know about American play style. The NBA is popular in China. You'd think someone on their side would know what to expect from the Americans. Oh well, life goes on.
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So I watched Duke play a different Chinese team and the officials are REALLY biased.
They called a ton of fouls on Duke and hardly any on China. I think there were fewer fouls called against the Chinese team than any college team that has played Duke in 30 years.
Either the Chinese are the most mild mannered non foulers in history or there is a huge bias.
I am calling huge bias. Having not actually watched the Georgetown game I am still fairly confident that the refs were biased and that is why so many fouls were called on Georgetown.
I am unaware of any division I brawl this serious in almost 40 years. You would probably have to go back to Dave Winfield's Minnesota team. This is almost surely caused by the Chinese.
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On August 19 2011 06:57 only_human89 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 06:50 [Agony]x90 wrote:
From my understanding. How Chinese players and American players play basketball is very different. A friend of mine who plays basketball who is also Chinese wrote a blog on this. He talked about how the Chinese players basically took turns with the ball. Very often, they would play 1v1. One person would attack and the other defend. Same as in America for 1v1. However, if the offensive player missed a shot, he would not even try to rebound! They would simply let the defender pick it up, bring it back court and switch sides.
I'm not saying that there wasn't bias on the ref's part (there probably was), but I also bet that the American team was playing a different game than the Chinese were used to. This may have lead to frustration, because what is possibly normally considered "dirty" playing by the Chinese is totally normal for Americans. I feel like the Chinese would know about American play style. The NBA is popular in China. You'd think someone on their side would know what to expect from the Americans. Oh well, life goes on.
I feel like that style of 1on1 is just players being to lazy to rebound the ball.
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On August 19 2011 06:07 Pufftrees wrote:
Damn thats a wild video.. I wouldn't bias is as blaming the Chinese team though, unless you can really get all facts straight. I'd say disgusting behavior by both really. Uh what? Its right in the OP, clear as day an article about what happened before and after the fight. Whats with so much Chinese apologists lately? China or a Chinese person does something wrong, and were hailed under a ARE YOU CERTAIN? SINOPHOBIA!!!!! Even when yes, we are utterly certain.
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wow at the guy at 0:30, stay classy.
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Wtf. Did I just see a Chinese player pick up a chair and try to use it as a weapon. Wtf.
That guy should never be allowed to play again. What is wrong with him. From the video it looked like the Chinese team was more at fault. Maybe the Georgetown guy was really rough and aggressive and pushing and shoving, but you can't just start attacking people. That Georgetown guy even looked like he was trying to run away.
I would understand a push or shove, but definitely not kicking people on the ground gangster style. That is just so bad.
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United States13896 Posts
Editing in the story from the Washington post, provides much better context for the events leading up to the brawl.
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Imagine if you were a professional team playing against an amateur college team, yet despite that fact you were being slightly outmatched. It would piss you off a lot. Imagine if you're a chinese nationalist who loves basketball and you have to watch one of your favourite professional teams lose to a bunch of school kids. It would piss you off, wouldn't it? I'm aware that we don't have all the facts but the circumstantial evidence overwhemingly points to a couple of things here:
(the refereeing was crooked)
(the Chinese team acted more thuggishly in the fight)
(the Chinese fans acted like hooligans as well)
Ps I am not racist I am half chinese in heritage, but I think this one is pretty clear to call. Personally I hate the "America fuck yeah" mentality, but siding with the Americans in this particular scenario is clear as day. I personally think you have to be the one who is biased as f*** to say that both sides are EQUALLY to blame, when its clear who the guilty party is if you have a lick of sense
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On August 19 2011 07:10 Mzimzim wrote:
so who ended up winning?
Game ended tied 64-64. It was 64-62 (Georgetown lead) before the fight and the Chinese team shoot and made 2 free throws (from the foul call before the brawl) after the Georgetown coach pulled his team off the floor and went to the locker room. Though that is completely off topic.
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We shouldnt be judging their whole country upon one basketball team
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57-15 disparity on free throws? Guess we know how the 2006 NBA Finals refs are getting by during the lockout. What's the Chinese name of Bennett Salvatore?
The worst part for me is the bench getting involved. The coaching/training staff normally acts as peacekeepers who separate the brawling players.
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Well, from the video alone we can clearly see that the Chinese players started it, from the video alone we can also see that the only ones seen throwing/swinging chairs were the Chinese players, the only ones that I saw stomping on people were the Chinese players.
That free throw disparity isn't even close to normal. I'd dare anyone to link me of a single game in the history of basketball that had a free throw disparity that large where the general consensus is that the referees did a good job. You wont find one.
Not saying G.Town is without fault and I could really care less about College Basketball at this point so I'm not really all that biased.
Edit: Also, with China removing the articles posted online we can only assume they weren't agreeable with the Chinese government meaning they probably said negative things about the referees or the Chinese players. That is of course conjecture, but hey, just something to think about.
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