On August 19 2011 07:17 andrewlt wrote: 57-15 disparity on free throws? Guess we know how the 2006 NBA Finals refs are getting by during the lockout. What's the Chinese name of Bennett Salvatore?
The worst part for me is the bench getting involved. The coaching/training staff normally acts as peacekeepers who separate the brawling players.
That's the biggest thing for me.
You pretty much NEVER seen that in American basketball, college or pro, because everyone knows they'll be suspended for a crap ton of games if they do that. See: The Malice at the Palace.
This stuff happens, I played soccer for like 8 years and some games we got in a fight. But it wasn´t because we wanted to start it, but a lot of times they were hitting our 10 player ( meaning the number 10 which is usually a pretty good player) so one thing lead to another, and even the coaches started fighting and dads too.
Regretable moments, this conduct should not be accepted and teams should be punished for their conduct ASAP.
This reminds me a lot of the "Punch-up in Piestany" brawl between Canada and the USSR in 1987. Very similar standoff in terms of un-heard-of violence and underlying political themes involved between the two nations playing.
they know its basketball right? People shit on hockey for all its fights, but hockey players stop when the ref steps in. These people acted like animals.
EDIT: WOW. I posted this seconds after the above post. Disregard this, i feel ridiculous lol
I am Chinese and I can just about guarantee that the refs were extremely biased towards the Chinese, which probably allowed them to get away with rougher play, which built up anger from GTown until the fight broke out.
This is in fact, not surprising at all. My parents are extremely distrusting people because they were born and raised in China. Our people tend to try to get ahead in every way possible, through every means possible, due to a large amount of pride.
Really sorry for what happened to the college kids.
I am an American F*&K yeah guy, but it may be too early to tell what happened. I do not watch basketball, so my opinion is largely based on a segment of some tv show (60 Min?)talking about foreign basketball players (Europe) and their style of play. According to what I saw -which was several years ago- European coaches/players had little respect for American players. They felt that they played ball like they would at some backyard tournament. They felt the Americans fouled all the time and had basically could not/would not attempt to master the "basics". They felt American players fouled, and "walked" all the time, and couldn't adjust their game. They basically fouled out.
They mentioned some "famous" American college player who came over and couldn't stay in the game because he fouled out. They talked about how they spend hours drilling players on the basics like free throws, something Americans were not as good at. They mentioned that many of the top players being drafted were Europeans. Don't know if that was the problem, or the ChiComs didn't like how the game was going. Lets see.
On August 19 2011 07:32 ChicoLopez wrote: I am an American F*&K yeah guy, but it may be too early to tell what happened. I do not watch basketball, so my opinion is largely based on a segment of some tv show (60 Min?)talking about foreign basketball players (Europe) and their style of play. According to what I saw -which was several years ago- European coaches/players had little respect for American players. They felt that they played ball like they would at some backyard tournament. They felt the Americans fouled all the time and had basically could not/would not attempt to master the "basics". They felt American players fouled, and "walked" all the time, and couldn't adjust their game. They basically fouled out.
They mentioned some "famous" American college player who came over and couldn't stay in the game because he fouled out. They talked about how they spend hours drilling players on the basics like free throws, something Americans were not as good at. They mentioned that many of the top players being drafted were Europeans. Don't know if that was the problem, or the ChiComs didn't like how the game was going. Lets see.
How dare americans play basketball the way they want to play basketball i mean who do they think they are inventors of the game? I mean come on even so it's not like american colleges moved basketball forward into the game it is today with fade away shoots and shit like dunking. Not like America has been top placers in Olympic and world championships year after year.
All I could tell from that vid was the american players didnt get much chance to defend their teammate as the chinese swarmed. Really hard to tell though.
Hopefully both sides get the correct amount of disipline. According to what I have read/seen, the chinese players were very agressive and wanted to hurt the american's via chairs, while the americans were defending themselves, but that may be a biased opinion so ill refrain from saying anything too extreme.
On August 19 2011 07:32 ChicoLopez wrote: I am an American F*&K yeah guy, but it may be too early to tell what happened. I do not watch basketball, so my opinion is largely based on a segment of some tv show (60 Min?)talking about foreign basketball players (Europe) and their style of play. According to what I saw -which was several years ago- European coaches/players had little respect for American players. They felt that they played ball like they would at some backyard tournament. They felt the Americans fouled all the time and had basically could not/would not attempt to master the "basics". They felt American players fouled, and "walked" all the time, and couldn't adjust their game. They basically fouled out.
They mentioned some "famous" American college player who came over and couldn't stay in the game because he fouled out. They talked about how they spend hours drilling players on the basics like free throws, something Americans were not as good at. They mentioned that many of the top players being drafted were Europeans. Don't know if that was the problem, or the ChiComs didn't like how the game was going. Lets see.
So, because something on T.V. once said American players don't master the fundamentals (which is very highly debatable, if not flat out wrong), it's OK for a professional Chinese team to say, "**** this, grab some chairs!"
It seems like one of the chinese players was called for a foul, the american player showed his displeasure by taking a swing (which the chinese player dodged), and the nearby chinese players ganged up on the american player in question. While I get that tensions were already frayed by the fact that the refs seem to have been favouring the home team, it was wrong for that GU player to take matter into his own hands. That still doesn't excuse the chinese team's reaction, though you can understand their rage at seeing one of their own under attack. I think the blame lies equally on both parties.
From all the shows i've seen so far on ESPN today talking about it (obviously US shows so bias probably) the Chinese team had been playing dirty the whole game and showed they weren't to excited to play them, which basically caused more tension. Then you always have to think about the political relationship between China and the US, probably didn't help the situation any.
Don't really know who's to blame. College teams can get pretty riled up but that picture says 1000 words about the Chinese players.
On August 19 2011 07:32 ChicoLopez wrote: I am an American F*&K yeah guy, but it may be too early to tell what happened. I do not watch basketball, so my opinion is largely based on a segment of some tv show (60 Min?)talking about foreign basketball players (Europe) and their style of play. According to what I saw -which was several years ago- European coaches/players had little respect for American players. They felt that they played ball like they would at some backyard tournament. They felt the Americans fouled all the time and had basically could not/would not attempt to master the "basics". They felt American players fouled, and "walked" all the time, and couldn't adjust their game. They basically fouled out.
They mentioned some "famous" American college player who came over and couldn't stay in the game because he fouled out. They talked about how they spend hours drilling players on the basics like free throws, something Americans were not as good at. They mentioned that many of the top players being drafted were Europeans. Don't know if that was the problem, or the ChiComs didn't like how the game was going. Lets see.
How dare americans play basketball the way they want to play basketball i mean who do they think they are inventors of the game? I mean come on even so it's not like american colleges moved basketball forward into the game it is today with fade away shoots and shit like dunking. Not like America has been top placers in Olympic and world championships year after year.
i invented this game so heres the rules for everyone else while i do what i want, is what you're saying here
G.Town player is definitely the first one to throw a, "legitimate swing" there. Of course he had gotten fouled and it wasn't called, after hearing of the free throw discrepancy his frustration is understandable, not saying it makes everything alright but he didn't connect with the swing and it's clear that from there the Chinese players just went out of control, especially when they started using chairs as a weapon.
Without seeing the full game from every angle imaginable it's not really clear who threw the "real" first blow either.
This just isn't enough to tell what really happened. Its probably just that the Chinese players knew exactly how far body contact could go before getting called foul by an Chinese ref, and the American players probably didn't know how far they can go. Certain body contact or pushing might have been fine in the US but maybe isn't fine in China.
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