On August 19 2011 08:19 HikariPrime wrote: Okay Ive been around awhile, and ive been noticing a trend against china? Like seriously wtf, Why do these Americans post stuff about other countries to bash them, just because their own country is failing hardcore. Seems to me all of the American team was Black. Ive been around them for awhile considering public school in America is horrible. They really are the more aggressive type to start this imho.
P.S Im "American" lol
Changed your spoiler to BOLD to highlight your racist shit.
How is pointing out what is true racist? The team was all black people...the fact he thinks they're aggressive is his opinion, whether it's right or wrong or even justified, who are we to judge?
It's not racist to not the team are black , although you would have to call into question why someone is noting that. What is racist however is that he attributes traits of aggressiveness with all black people with no reason to believe it. He assumes that the american players instigated the fight not because of any evidence presented to him but merely because their skin is black.
That is why he is called a racist and a bigot.
Well in his personal experience he says the majority of black people he's encountered have been more aggressive. Probably something to do with the fact that they're high school kids, not black though.
lol China team had like 20 subs just waiting for this to happen. Go go unsportsmanlike conduct.
Just like the last time we sent a college team there the reffing was biased. Of course after 30 minutes of commie bs like that the players will start to get anxious and angry.
On August 19 2011 12:03 Daozzt wrote: I'd be mad too if my team shot 57 free throws and scored 64 points total by the 4th quarter.
But seriously, what a disgrace. Chinese professional team starting a fight with a young college team. That free throw disparity would only happen if your team consisted of five Dwayne Wades, and the three refs on the court were Dick Bavetta and his two twin brothers. You're supposed to be angry when the refs are rigging the game AGAINST you, not FOR you.
thought the brawl started when a shoving match between two players occurred, not directly because of the refs. why spread more misinformation?
though as a follower of chinese soccer, this shit doesn't surprise me one bit. things like this make me embarrassed to be a supporter. not sure how so many "goodwill" games turn out this way when a chinese team is involved.
The shoving matches (there was more than one if you read the articles) occurred due to the refs letting the Chinese team getting away with murder (metaphorically speaking) while calling Georgetown for touch (ticky tack as american slang would say) fouls. Why spread false information about the refs NOT having role in this incident when they clearly did? It is literally impossible to have the foul discrepancy involved in this game with impartial refs, there fore the refs indeed had a role in this incident.
The ref didn't start the brawl directly. That's what I said. Don't put words in my mouth. No doubt this is disgraceful but don't pretend the collee players were not involved in starting the fight.
For someone saying "Don't put words in my mouth" you sure put a lot in mine. Feel free to point out where in my statement I absolve the players of their actions and blamed it on the refs alone. Oh wait that never happened, however, I did say the refs had a clear and definite role in this brawl and to dismiss that is ignorant.
i never said the refs had nothing to do with it. all i said was that they weren't the direct cause, and that the american player had a role to play in the shoving match after an uncalled foul. the refs were biased as fuck - not a surprise in friendlies in china unfortunately, and it's disgraceful. the chinese players played with what they're given - you can't blame them for that (can't say much about how much they knew of the ref before the game). the fact is both sides played a role in starting the brawl and how it worked out - the OP is just biased and emotional based on what he saw from the refs, which is justifiable but also inaccurate. either way we're agreeing with each other but somehow this turned into a pissing match.
It has nothing to do with it being a pissing match, it has everything to do with the order that things occurred in. The referees decided to officiate the game in a biased, even "crooked" way. Whether or not the Chinese players initially knew this would happen or not they very obviously quickly began to abuse this and basically began physically abusing the G.Town players, they had no recourse throughout this. Appealing to the referees obviously did not help, all the while they were being called for "tickey-tack" touch fouls. At this point the officiating isn't going to change and they are being assaulted, they can either walk off the court or continue to get the shit beat out of them and potentially lose while this is happening due to the refs. Or they could show they weren't going to be pushed around anymore.
Am I saying that without a doubt was the correct decision? Not really, but it's not like G.Town was just going to walk off the court, the G.Town player simply wanted the Chinese players to know that they weren't going to be manhandled anymore and how do they respond? By swinging and chucking chairs and other various metal objects. The initial G.Town players is not without blame, but he was in an incredibly difficult situation, most (not sure about all) other G.Town players who went into the brawl, or tried to were attempting to defend downed teammates getting swarmed, stomped and swung at including being swung at with metal objects and it wasn't just the Chinese players doing it, but some of the training staff and fans (maybe not directly, but they at the very least ended up throwing stuff at the players). Yes, everyone is at fault to an extent, but the Chinese players are definitely more at fault for the occurrence of this and the way they responded was a thousand times worse and at it's base this never would've happened if not for the way the referees officiated the game.
this is exactly how i think. chinese refs at fault, players played along, both teams initiated and escalated the fight and are at fault. re: pissing match, i was referring to bloodninja and i, not this brawl.
While it's true that both teams had a part in it one of my main points which I really stand by is; The Chinese players escalated the fight much quicker than G.Town did and started using metal objects, including chairs as weapon and stomped on G.Town players they vastly outnumbered. Now, yes the start of the situation could be pointed any of three ways but I think it's pretty clear that in this situation the Chinese team reacted much more poorly than the G.Town players, many of whom were only trying to save team mates who were on the ground getting stomped by four or five people (Including training staff? I'm not 100% sure, but if it did..wow. If not then civilians) either way they got right out of there as soon as they had all their players while it looked like the Chinese players were ready to fight as long as need be.
I think 95% of this shit wouldn't of happened if they weren't playing in their country but that being said they need to realize they aren't playing another Chinese team, that they are playing a team from another country and what they do directly reflects upon them as an entire country. It's no wonder the new sites censored this as fast as they could.
I'm not necessarily saying that you are saying the Chinese players didn't flip out a million times worse either, just illustrating my point.
On August 19 2011 08:19 HikariPrime wrote: Okay Ive been around awhile, and ive been noticing a trend against china? Like seriously wtf, Why do these Americans post stuff about other countries to bash them, just because their own country is failing hardcore. Seems to me all of the American team was Black. Ive been around them for awhile considering public school in America is horrible. They really are the more aggressive type to start this imho.
P.S Im "American" lol
Changed your spoiler to BOLD to highlight your racist shit.
How is pointing out what is true racist? The team was all black people...the fact he thinks they're aggressive is his opinion, whether it's right or wrong or even justified, who are we to judge?
It's not racist to not the team are black , although you would have to call into question why someone is noting that. What is racist however is that he attributes traits of aggressiveness with all black people with no reason to believe it. He assumes that the american players instigated the fight not because of any evidence presented to him but merely because their skin is black.
That is why he is called a racist and a bigot.
Well in his personal experience he says the majority of black people he's encountered have been more aggressive. Probably something to do with the fact that they're high school kids, not black though.
can't help but think that the Chinese would be much less willing to engage in a fight had the American team been white.
On August 19 2011 08:19 HikariPrime wrote: Okay Ive been around awhile, and ive been noticing a trend against china? Like seriously wtf, Why do these Americans post stuff about other countries to bash them, just because their own country is failing hardcore. Seems to me all of the American team was + Show Spoiler +
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. Ive been around them for awhile considering public school in America is horrible. They really are the more aggressive type to start this imho.
It appears that the tour will continue and Georgetown will play out its games in China which basically is composed of the 4 day basketball festival (Sponsored (entirely?) by Nike) in Shanghai that starts tomorrow. As such at this moment Georgetown is scheduled to play the same Chinese team again on Sunday.
They better find a replacement team because if those two teams have to play each other again I cant imagine it going well.
On August 20 2011 02:02 BloodNinja wrote: Fun update to this thread:
It appears that the tour will continue and Georgetown will play out its games in China which basically is composed of the 4 day basketball festival (Sponsored (entirely?) by Nike) in Shanghai that starts tomorrow. As such at this moment Georgetown is scheduled to play the same Chinese team again on Sunday.
They better find a replacement team because if those two teams have to play each other again I cant imagine it going well.
Apparently the two teams met up and reconciled before the GT team flew out to Shanghai. They even exchanged souvenirs and gifts.. we'll see how the game goes on Sunday x_x
Regardless of who's fault it was, China as the host country, should have looked out for the foreign team. Security should have broken it up right away, and stopped fans from the kind of harassment that was taking place. The chinese refusing to give them a police escort to top it all off is just ridiculous.
I don't get all of the China hate. It looked to me like the player from Georgetown got beat on after he took a swing at the Chinese player. Did I see it wrong?
On August 20 2011 04:47 LegendaryZ wrote: I don't get all of the China hate. It looked to me like the player from Georgetown got beat on after he took a swing at the Chinese player. Did I see it wrong?
On August 20 2011 04:47 LegendaryZ wrote: I don't get all of the China hate. It looked to me like the player from Georgetown got beat on after he took a swing at the Chinese player. Did I see it wrong?
Vid from ABCnews clearly shows what caused the fire.
Watch please.
That's the same video I saw and it's clear that the Gerogetown player took a swing at the Chinese player after the initial contact, which is when the Chinese player turned around and shoved him.
On August 20 2011 02:02 BloodNinja wrote: Fun update to this thread:
It appears that the tour will continue and Georgetown will play out its games in China which basically is composed of the 4 day basketball festival (Sponsored (entirely?) by Nike) in Shanghai that starts tomorrow. As such at this moment Georgetown is scheduled to play the same Chinese team again on Sunday.
They better find a replacement team because if those two teams have to play each other again I cant imagine it going well.
Apparently the two teams met up and reconciled before the GT team flew out to Shanghai. They even exchanged souvenirs and gifts.. we'll see how the game goes on Sunday x_x
Looked like a regular hockey game to me. Naah seriously that player from Georgetown University threw the first (100% intended) shot, even tho it seems he missed. But it's pretty f*cked up they didn't get a police escort after the game.
On August 20 2011 04:47 LegendaryZ wrote: I don't get all of the China hate. It looked to me like the player from Georgetown got beat on after he took a swing at the Chinese player. Did I see it wrong?
Vid from ABCnews clearly shows what caused the fire.
Watch please.
That's the same video I saw and it's clear that the Gerogetown player took a swing at the Chinese player after the initial contact, which is when the Chinese player turned around and shoved him.
basketball is so soft... the american guy took a swing at the chinese guy and wasn't expecting to fight? then the Chinese guys grab chairs at the end... like honestly really? they couldnt have just let them fight 1on1 or something?
anyone miss the fact that it was tied 64 -64, but bayi had 57 freethrows? really? Even if you assume .7 ft percentage that means they only had 10 or 12 baskets after 3+ quarters.
keep in mind this is team has military ties - and the military in china is extremely nationalistic and anti american. not defending georgetown or anythin, but you can bet that the refs and security could have prevented this or at least tried to stop it. pro team at home in China baiting kids that they cant beat fairly at basketball. this is why no one respects China domestic pro leagues, the soccer is all fixed and the basketball is all fights.
i lived in China before and I can say that the basketball there is pretty scrappy and physical. What one team considered cheap might have been considered just hard play. In most pro leagues this situation gets diffused by referees. But in China getting a fair ref is not common, cant tell you how many bs refs we got when we played soccer who would call ridiculous offsides and penalties
While it's true that both teams had a part in it one of my main points which I really stand by is; The Chinese players escalated the fight much quicker than G.Town did and started using metal objects, including chairs as weapon and stomped on G.Town players they vastly outnumbered. Now, yes the start of the situation could be pointed any of three ways
Are you kidding me? It is very much 100% clear who started this, the chinese players did not seem interested in any kind of brawl, they simply fought for the ball and began running back to their positions when the GTown player took a swing at the chinese player and they noticed it.
Yes the chinese players took it too far with the objects but you are simply trying a bit too hard to portray the american team as innocent, you saying "could be pointed any of the three ways" just isent true and you come across as incredibly biased.
but I think it's pretty clear that in this situation the Chinese team reacted much more poorly than the G.Town players
We should be able to agree that they both acted poorly, the american team did so by starting it all, the chinese team by taking it further than it ever should have gone.
You arent a bad person, your nationality is just clouding your judgement, if someone swung at you like that, you would get pretty pissed and do pretty much the same thing as the chinese players did, anyone would.
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