On August 19 2011 15:53 Probe1 wrote: I'm equally embarrassed by Georgetown. Every single person that was part of the fight for Georgetown should be suspended. Even when provoked, a brawl on a basketball court is absolutely no way to represent the entire country. Shame on them for not being the better men.
I don't know anything about Chinese basketball regulations so I leave comment on that to Empyrean.
I've reconsidered my opinion Jibba. At first I only saw
freshman forward Moses Ayegba, who was wearing a brace on his right leg, limped onto the court with a chair in his right hand.
but after further reading I think I missed the overall picture, pointing towards the need to protect themselves.
I don't want to believe the fight was instigated solely by the Chinese players but what can you do, the only information points to it.
- -;; So if you're in a team game. And your teammates are being manhandled unfairly, you would decide to be the "bigger man" and do nothing?
Exactly how do you be the "bigger men" when the other side won't even listen, and will just fight....
EDIT: Ahhh, I just saw your edit. Here's mine.
No matter what the situation is, human beings should always try to be civil and instigate a non-violent way to solve an issue. But notice I said SHOULD. In this kind of situation, all u can do is protect the ones u love in any way possible, even if it does involve in people getting hurt and your country being shamed. While I do not commend the USA players for their reactions, I REALLY doubt that there were much options for them.
Not considering anything before the brawl began, the G.Town player threw the first punch. (look in pg 9 for a better video)
I think the best course of action would have been to just walk off after tensions were rising / dealing with terrible officiating.
Fucking amazing. Every single time a thread pops up re: China, there's this INSANE wave of Chinese nationalism that sweeps over it before even the first page fills up.
What, is the commie party paying you to defend their "honor" online?
On August 19 2011 16:23 orgolove wrote: Fucking amazing. Every single time a thread pops up re: China, there's this INSANE wave of Chinese nationalism that sweeps over it before even the first page fills up.
What, is the commie party paying you to defend their "honor" online?
You are pathetic.
I've noticed this too, pretty odd, I'd blame the fascination/obsession nerds have with asian culture (weeaboo!), but oh well, what can you do.
On August 19 2011 16:23 orgolove wrote: Fucking amazing. Every single time a thread pops up re: China, there's this INSANE wave of Chinese nationalism that sweeps over it before even the first page fills up.
What, is the commie party paying you to defend their "honor" online?
You are pathetic.
Who are you talking to? I'm Chinese, did I post something wrong? Lets not throw insults around without thinking please.
I'm also amazed you seem to find a "wave" of nationalism here. This is your typical "insert country thread and one or two posters go overboard". I've seen much worse in the Norwegian capital punishment thread than this.
On August 19 2011 16:23 orgolove wrote: Fucking amazing. Every single time a thread pops up re: China, there's this INSANE wave of Chinese nationalism that sweeps over it before even the first page fills up.
What, is the commie party paying you to defend their "honor" online?
You are pathetic.
what are you talking about? Team liquid? I looked at the first page and I didn't see anyone blindly being biased towards the Chinese.
Pathetic? Who are you talking to anyway? The folks posting on youtube comments? Those are always awful, and get on my nerves.
all I know is when I played sports we were always taught it was the second guy that got caught not the guy who started the fight and thats why you don't retaliate. this is embarrassing for both parties.
On August 19 2011 16:23 orgolove wrote: Fucking amazing. Every single time a thread pops up re: China, there's this INSANE wave of Chinese nationalism that sweeps over it before even the first page fills up.
What, is the commie party paying you to defend their "honor" online?
You are pathetic.
And there's a lot of Chinese people criticizing their own people. In fact, aside from the blatant racist posts, the harshest critics of the Chinese basketball players in this thread were Chinese.
On August 19 2011 16:23 orgolove wrote: Fucking amazing. Every single time a thread pops up re: China, there's this INSANE wave of Chinese nationalism that sweeps over it before even the first page fills up.
What, is the commie party paying you to defend their "honor" online?
You are pathetic.
YOU are pathetic. If you read carefully, there are a lot of chinese who criticize their own country in this thread. Hell, even I'm Chinese and I'm not surprised with the behaviour of the Bayi team. As someone above me posted already, keeping "face" is very important to them. I'm sure that the referee was corrupt as hell. And Chinese are more violent than the "western" people think of.
On August 19 2011 08:19 HikariPrime wrote: Okay Ive been around awhile, and ive been noticing a trend against china? Like seriously wtf, Why do these Americans post stuff about other countries to bash them, just because their own country is failing hardcore. Seems to me all of the American team was Black. Ive been around them for awhile considering public school in America is horrible. They really are the more aggressive type to start this imho.
P.S Im "American" lol
Changed your spoiler to BOLD to highlight your racist shit.
How is pointing out what is true racist? The team was all black people...the fact he thinks they're aggressive is his opinion, whether it's right or wrong or even justified, who are we to judge?
On August 19 2011 08:19 HikariPrime wrote: Okay Ive been around awhile, and ive been noticing a trend against china? Like seriously wtf, Why do these Americans post stuff about other countries to bash them, just because their own country is failing hardcore. Seems to me all of the American team was Black. Ive been around them for awhile considering public school in America is horrible. They really are the more aggressive type to start this imho.
P.S Im "American" lol
Changed your spoiler to BOLD to highlight your racist shit.
How is pointing out what is true racist? The team was all black people...the fact he thinks they're aggressive is his opinion, whether it's right or wrong or even justified, who are we to judge?
It's not racist to not the team are black , although you would have to call into question why someone is noting that. What is racist however is that he attributes traits of aggressiveness with all black people with no reason to believe it. He assumes that the american players instigated the fight not because of any evidence presented to him but merely because their skin is black.
On August 19 2011 12:03 Daozzt wrote: I'd be mad too if my team shot 57 free throws and scored 64 points total by the 4th quarter.
But seriously, what a disgrace. Chinese professional team starting a fight with a young college team. That free throw disparity would only happen if your team consisted of five Dwayne Wades, and the three refs on the court were Dick Bavetta and his two twin brothers. You're supposed to be angry when the refs are rigging the game AGAINST you, not FOR you.
thought the brawl started when a shoving match between two players occurred, not directly because of the refs. why spread more misinformation?
though as a follower of chinese soccer, this shit doesn't surprise me one bit. things like this make me embarrassed to be a supporter. not sure how so many "goodwill" games turn out this way when a chinese team is involved.
The shoving matches (there was more than one if you read the articles) occurred due to the refs letting the Chinese team getting away with murder (metaphorically speaking) while calling Georgetown for touch (ticky tack as american slang would say) fouls. Why spread false information about the refs NOT having role in this incident when they clearly did? It is literally impossible to have the foul discrepancy involved in this game with impartial refs, there fore the refs indeed had a role in this incident.
The ref didn't start the brawl directly. That's what I said. Don't put words in my mouth. No doubt this is disgraceful but don't pretend the collee players were not involved in starting the fight.
For someone saying "Don't put words in my mouth" you sure put a lot in mine. Feel free to point out where in my statement I absolve the players of their actions and blamed it on the refs alone. Oh wait that never happened, however, I did say the refs had a clear and definite role in this brawl and to dismiss that is ignorant.
i never said the refs had nothing to do with it. all i said was that they weren't the direct cause, and that the american player had a role to play in the shoving match after an uncalled foul. the refs were biased as fuck - not a surprise in friendlies in china unfortunately, and it's disgraceful. the chinese players played with what they're given - you can't blame them for that (can't say much about how much they knew of the ref before the game). the fact is both sides played a role in starting the brawl and how it worked out - the OP is just biased and emotional based on what he saw from the refs, which is justifiable but also inaccurate. either way we're agreeing with each other but somehow this turned into a pissing match.
On August 19 2011 12:03 Daozzt wrote: I'd be mad too if my team shot 57 free throws and scored 64 points total by the 4th quarter.
But seriously, what a disgrace. Chinese professional team starting a fight with a young college team. That free throw disparity would only happen if your team consisted of five Dwayne Wades, and the three refs on the court were Dick Bavetta and his two twin brothers. You're supposed to be angry when the refs are rigging the game AGAINST you, not FOR you.
thought the brawl started when a shoving match between two players occurred, not directly because of the refs. why spread more misinformation?
though as a follower of chinese soccer, this shit doesn't surprise me one bit. things like this make me embarrassed to be a supporter. not sure how so many "goodwill" games turn out this way when a chinese team is involved.
The shoving matches (there was more than one if you read the articles) occurred due to the refs letting the Chinese team getting away with murder (metaphorically speaking) while calling Georgetown for touch (ticky tack as american slang would say) fouls. Why spread false information about the refs NOT having role in this incident when they clearly did? It is literally impossible to have the foul discrepancy involved in this game with impartial refs, there fore the refs indeed had a role in this incident.
The ref didn't start the brawl directly. That's what I said. Don't put words in my mouth. No doubt this is disgraceful but don't pretend the collee players were not involved in starting the fight.
For someone saying "Don't put words in my mouth" you sure put a lot in mine. Feel free to point out where in my statement I absolve the players of their actions and blamed it on the refs alone. Oh wait that never happened, however, I did say the refs had a clear and definite role in this brawl and to dismiss that is ignorant.
i never said the refs had nothing to do with it. all i said was that they weren't the direct cause, and that the american player had a role to play in the shoving match after an uncalled foul. the refs were biased as fuck - not a surprise in friendlies in china unfortunately, and it's disgraceful. the chinese players played with what they're given - you can't blame them for that (can't say much about how much they knew of the ref before the game). the fact is both sides played a role in starting the brawl and how it worked out - the OP is just biased and emotional based on what he saw from the refs, which is justifiable but also inaccurate. either way we're agreeing with each other but somehow this turned into a pissing match.
It has nothing to do with it being a pissing match, it has everything to do with the order that things occurred in. The referees decided to officiate the game in a biased, even "crooked" way. Whether or not the Chinese players initially knew this would happen or not they very obviously quickly began to abuse this and basically began physically abusing the G.Town players, they had no recourse throughout this. Appealing to the referees obviously did not help, all the while they were being called for "tickey-tack" touch fouls. At this point the officiating isn't going to change and they are being assaulted, they can either walk off the court or continue to get the shit beat out of them and potentially lose while this is happening due to the refs. Or they could show they weren't going to be pushed around anymore.
Am I saying that without a doubt was the correct decision? Not really, but it's not like G.Town was just going to walk off the court, the G.Town player simply wanted the Chinese players to know that they weren't going to be manhandled anymore and how do they respond? By swinging and chucking chairs and other various metal objects. The initial G.Town players is not without blame, but he was in an incredibly difficult situation, most (not sure about all) other G.Town players who went into the brawl, or tried to were attempting to defend downed teammates getting swarmed, stomped and swung at including being swung at with metal objects and it wasn't just the Chinese players doing it, but some of the training staff and fans (maybe not directly, but they at the very least ended up throwing stuff at the players). Yes, everyone is at fault to an extent, but the Chinese players are definitely more at fault for the occurrence of this and the way they responded was a thousand times worse and at it's base this never would've happened if not for the way the referees officiated the game.
On August 19 2011 12:03 Daozzt wrote: I'd be mad too if my team shot 57 free throws and scored 64 points total by the 4th quarter.
But seriously, what a disgrace. Chinese professional team starting a fight with a young college team. That free throw disparity would only happen if your team consisted of five Dwayne Wades, and the three refs on the court were Dick Bavetta and his two twin brothers. You're supposed to be angry when the refs are rigging the game AGAINST you, not FOR you.
thought the brawl started when a shoving match between two players occurred, not directly because of the refs. why spread more misinformation?
though as a follower of chinese soccer, this shit doesn't surprise me one bit. things like this make me embarrassed to be a supporter. not sure how so many "goodwill" games turn out this way when a chinese team is involved.
The shoving matches (there was more than one if you read the articles) occurred due to the refs letting the Chinese team getting away with murder (metaphorically speaking) while calling Georgetown for touch (ticky tack as american slang would say) fouls. Why spread false information about the refs NOT having role in this incident when they clearly did? It is literally impossible to have the foul discrepancy involved in this game with impartial refs, there fore the refs indeed had a role in this incident.
The ref didn't start the brawl directly. That's what I said. Don't put words in my mouth. No doubt this is disgraceful but don't pretend the collee players were not involved in starting the fight.
For someone saying "Don't put words in my mouth" you sure put a lot in mine. Feel free to point out where in my statement I absolve the players of their actions and blamed it on the refs alone. Oh wait that never happened, however, I did say the refs had a clear and definite role in this brawl and to dismiss that is ignorant.
i never said the refs had nothing to do with it. all i said was that they weren't the direct cause, and that the american player had a role to play in the shoving match after an uncalled foul. the refs were biased as fuck - not a surprise in friendlies in china unfortunately, and it's disgraceful. the chinese players played with what they're given - you can't blame them for that (can't say much about how much they knew of the ref before the game). the fact is both sides played a role in starting the brawl and how it worked out - the OP is just biased and emotional based on what he saw from the refs, which is justifiable but also inaccurate. either way we're agreeing with each other but somehow this turned into a pissing match.
It has nothing to do with it being a pissing match, it has everything to do with the order that things occurred in. The referees decided to officiate the game in a biased, even "crooked" way. Whether or not the Chinese players initially knew this would happen or not they very obviously quickly began to abuse this and basically began physically abusing the G.Town players, they had no recourse throughout this. Appealing to the referees obviously did not help, all the while they were being called for "tickey-tack" touch fouls. At this point the officiating isn't going to change and they are being assaulted, they can either walk off the court or continue to get the shit beat out of them and potentially lose while this is happening due to the refs. Or they could show they weren't going to be pushed around anymore.
Am I saying that without a doubt was the correct decision? Not really, but it's not like G.Town was just going to walk off the court, the G.Town player simply wanted the Chinese players to know that they weren't going to be manhandled anymore and how do they respond? By swinging and chucking chairs and other various metal objects. The initial G.Town players is not without blame, but he was in an incredibly difficult situation, most (not sure about all) other G.Town players who went into the brawl, or tried to were attempting to defend downed teammates getting swarmed, stomped and swung at including being swung at with metal objects and it wasn't just the Chinese players doing it, but some of the training staff and fans (maybe not directly, but they at the very least ended up throwing stuff at the players). Yes, everyone is at fault to an extent, but the Chinese players are definitely more at fault for the occurrence of this and the way they responded was a thousand times worse and at it's base this never would've happened if not for the way the referees officiated the game.
this is exactly how i think. chinese refs at fault, players played along, both teams initiated and escalated the fight and are at fault. re: pissing match, i was referring to bloodninja and i, not this brawl.
Chinese referees are known to be fairly biased, at least in terms of soccer. From what I believe it has to do with a fair amount of match-fixing in the country due to gambling.
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