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TOloseGT
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1145 Posts
August 19 2011 03:28 GMT
#221
Yea, from what I've seen, it most likely stemmed from the crooked refs, which lead to short tempers, which ultimately lead to any excuse to start a brawl. Pretty disappointed in BaYi to be honest. They didn't need to all gang up on a player.
ShamTao
Profile Joined September 2010
United States419 Posts
August 19 2011 03:30 GMT
#222
On August 19 2011 06:20 semantics wrote:
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On August 19 2011 06:13 BlackJack wrote:
On August 19 2011 06:10 kakaman wrote:
On August 19 2011 06:07 Condor Hero wrote:
This looks like both teams got on to it at the same time.
At what point are so you biased against the Chinese team?
It's unfortunate that the fans would throw stuff but that has nothing to do with the Chinese team.


This is not biased, there were people at the game who were commenting the Chinese team was pretty much hacking Georgetown every possession. Also, you can see the free throw disparity, overwhelmingly in favor of the Chinese team. How can that be possible in a competitive game? Duke played another Chinese team earlier, same issue with the foul disparity, it's just Duke is not the type of team that would retaliate with hard contact. So when Georgetown also started playing rough, that's when the fight broke out.


I can't determine what point you're trying to make about the free throw disparity. The chinese team is the one that took 57 free throws which means they were the ones getting fouled a ton.

edit: misread

Or the ref is being a piece of shit, and if the ref is being a dick might as well actually start earning those fowls instead of getting called on fowls that you didn't actually do.


Haha, we really gotta start earning that poultry!
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Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
August 19 2011 03:36 GMT
#223
Just search on youtube...
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3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
August 19 2011 03:38 GMT
#224
On August 19 2011 12:14 evanthebouncy! wrote:
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On August 19 2011 06:17 Medrea wrote:
From a lot of peoples personal perspective. The refs were trying to practically hand the game to the Chinese via fouls.



that does not in the slightest surprise me.
chinese ppl man... so bad.

hey
prease be nice

but as a chinese person I feel really ashamed that a professional team of ours would do this, esp. to a foreign team...white kids during gym class gonna give me loads of shit during the basketball unit now haha
BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 03:52:53
August 19 2011 03:43 GMT
#225
On August 19 2011 12:25 Immolate wrote:
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On August 19 2011 12:19 BloodNinja wrote:
On August 19 2011 12:11 fush wrote:
On August 19 2011 12:03 Daozzt wrote:
I'd be mad too if my team shot 57 free throws and scored 64 points total by the 4th quarter.

But seriously, what a disgrace. Chinese professional team starting a fight with a young college team. That free throw disparity would only happen if your team consisted of five Dwayne Wades, and the three refs on the court were Dick Bavetta and his two twin brothers. You're supposed to be angry when the refs are rigging the game AGAINST you, not FOR you.



thought the brawl started when a shoving match between two players occurred, not directly because of the refs. why spread more misinformation?

though as a follower of chinese soccer, this shit doesn't surprise me one bit. things like this make me embarrassed to be a supporter. not sure how so many "goodwill" games turn out this way when a chinese team is involved.


The shoving matches (there was more than one if you read the articles) occurred due to the refs letting the Chinese team getting away with murder (metaphorically speaking) while calling Georgetown for touch (ticky tack as american slang would say) fouls. Why spread false information about the refs NOT having role in this incident when they clearly did? It is literally impossible to have the foul discrepancy involved in this game with impartial refs, there fore the refs indeed had a role in this incident.


You watched the game?


You read my post? There are multiple eyewitness accounts of the game. Two of the more prominent ones )as in being referenced by news sites) were on Washington Post (International Newspaper with a reporter AT the game to cover the goodwill tour) and a Georgetown Hoya's forum (Made by an admittedly biased alumnus at the game). Next time spend more than one second coming up with your "witty" reply and do a bit of background research before posting.

After all who do you think Gene Wang is? Mike Wise? (For reference, Wise is a long time and well established WP (and sport talk radio host as of late) writer who deiced it would be a good idea to put forward some outlandish (but extremely juicy) rumor out of left field and watch how the media reacted. Of course Wise got a great laugh out of the joke until the public started to call for his head).
fush
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada563 Posts
August 19 2011 05:32 GMT
#226
On August 19 2011 12:19 BloodNinja wrote:
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On August 19 2011 12:11 fush wrote:
On August 19 2011 12:03 Daozzt wrote:
I'd be mad too if my team shot 57 free throws and scored 64 points total by the 4th quarter.

But seriously, what a disgrace. Chinese professional team starting a fight with a young college team. That free throw disparity would only happen if your team consisted of five Dwayne Wades, and the three refs on the court were Dick Bavetta and his two twin brothers. You're supposed to be angry when the refs are rigging the game AGAINST you, not FOR you.



thought the brawl started when a shoving match between two players occurred, not directly because of the refs. why spread more misinformation?

though as a follower of chinese soccer, this shit doesn't surprise me one bit. things like this make me embarrassed to be a supporter. not sure how so many "goodwill" games turn out this way when a chinese team is involved.


The shoving matches (there was more than one if you read the articles) occurred due to the refs letting the Chinese team getting away with murder (metaphorically speaking) while calling Georgetown for touch (ticky tack as american slang would say) fouls. Why spread false information about the refs NOT having role in this incident when they clearly did? It is literally impossible to have the foul discrepancy involved in this game with impartial refs, there fore the refs indeed had a role in this incident.


The ref didn't start the brawl directly. That's what I said. Don't put words in my mouth. No doubt this is disgraceful but don't pretend the collee players were not involved in starting the fight.
BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 05:44:58
August 19 2011 05:44 GMT
#227
On August 19 2011 14:32 fush wrote:
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On August 19 2011 12:19 BloodNinja wrote:
On August 19 2011 12:11 fush wrote:
On August 19 2011 12:03 Daozzt wrote:
I'd be mad too if my team shot 57 free throws and scored 64 points total by the 4th quarter.

But seriously, what a disgrace. Chinese professional team starting a fight with a young college team. That free throw disparity would only happen if your team consisted of five Dwayne Wades, and the three refs on the court were Dick Bavetta and his two twin brothers. You're supposed to be angry when the refs are rigging the game AGAINST you, not FOR you.



thought the brawl started when a shoving match between two players occurred, not directly because of the refs. why spread more misinformation?

though as a follower of chinese soccer, this shit doesn't surprise me one bit. things like this make me embarrassed to be a supporter. not sure how so many "goodwill" games turn out this way when a chinese team is involved.


The shoving matches (there was more than one if you read the articles) occurred due to the refs letting the Chinese team getting away with murder (metaphorically speaking) while calling Georgetown for touch (ticky tack as american slang would say) fouls. Why spread false information about the refs NOT having role in this incident when they clearly did? It is literally impossible to have the foul discrepancy involved in this game with impartial refs, there fore the refs indeed had a role in this incident.


The ref didn't start the brawl directly. That's what I said. Don't put words in my mouth. No doubt this is disgraceful but don't pretend the collee players were not involved in starting the fight.


For someone saying "Don't put words in my mouth" you sure put a lot in mine. Feel free to point out where in my statement I absolve the players of their actions and blamed it on the refs alone. Oh wait that never happened, however, I did say the refs had a clear and definite role in this brawl and to dismiss that is ignorant.
JediGamer
Profile Joined August 2010
United States656 Posts
August 19 2011 05:57 GMT
#228
Some of the nationality pride here is sad. Saw the entire footage of the game, completely started by the Chinese team imo and many others who saw all the footage.
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danielzig
Profile Joined December 2010
32 Posts
August 19 2011 06:04 GMT
#229
An embarrasment to the two countries.... fighting over a game like babies and then having to have your parents break you up... what a pity
kethers
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States719 Posts
August 19 2011 06:06 GMT
#230
I love how this topic opens up as a gateway to American/Chinese hate... and oh my how the people pour through them.
seansye
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1722 Posts
August 19 2011 06:11 GMT
#231
57 Freethrows ?!??!?! wtf......
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SiffStarcraft
Profile Joined May 2011
United States45 Posts
August 19 2011 06:11 GMT
#232
I expect a lot more from these two teams... this rarely even happens in NCAA games... why would it happen when you are in another country? Seriously? Show some respect for the fucking game...
Kukaracha
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
France1954 Posts
August 19 2011 06:11 GMT
#233
It's a bit easy to criticize the behaviour of the players who were abroad, in an hostile environment, and probably in a very physical, maybe violent, game.
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Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17056 Posts
August 19 2011 06:15 GMT
#234
This is very embarrassing :/
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Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
August 19 2011 06:36 GMT
#235
On August 19 2011 15:15 Empyrean wrote:
This is very embarrassing :/


It's even more embarrassing that Youtube links China Basketball directly to the brawl.

It's the first page of youtube videos.

I really liked watching the USA vs China olympics basketball game though. I didn't know Chinese players would get this aggressive from a "friendly" sports game.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
August 19 2011 06:52 GMT
#236
On August 19 2011 15:36 Silentness wrote:
I really liked watching the USA vs China olympics basketball game though. I didn't know Chinese players would get this aggressive from a "friendly" sports game.

Well, there's probably a large difference between the best players who make the Olympic team and can actually play the game, and these kinds of thugs who treat it like something else. I mean, they got 57 FTs and they still only had 64pts? They probably have 0 talent, so they make up for it with being rough. For reference http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=342027&title=basketball-coaching
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Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 07:03:02
August 19 2011 06:53 GMT
#237
I'm equally embarrassed by Georgetown. Every single person that was part of the fight for Georgetown should be suspended. Even when provoked, a brawl on a basketball court is absolutely no way to represent the entire country. Shame on them for not being the better men.

I don't know anything about Chinese basketball regulations so I leave comment on that to Empyrean.

I've reconsidered my opinion Jibba. At first I only saw
freshman forward Moses Ayegba, who was wearing a brace on his right leg, limped onto the court with a chair in his right hand.

but after further reading I think I missed the overall picture, pointing towards the need to protect themselves.

I don't want to believe the fight was instigated solely by the Chinese players but what can you do, the only information points to it.
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pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
August 19 2011 07:05 GMT
#238
I think people don't understand the culture of China.

Chinese people are very concerned with "face" and they obviously wanted to win that game and show everyone "hurr durr we are China we are better than America even at a game that is so popular in the US". Reruns of sports on chinese tv are always games that china won, or got silver.

I'm guessing that some political big shots said beforehand to the refs that no matter what the Chinese are going to win, probably a lot of bribes and illegal betting involved... would not surprise me in the least.

The chinese attitude is "dude what the fuck man let us win this game it's a friendly game on our home court anyway..." but the American attitude is "fairness and sportsmanship above all else" and that is where the conflict originated.
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37071 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 07:08:20
August 19 2011 07:05 GMT
#239
On August 19 2011 15:53 Probe1 wrote:
I'm equally embarrassed by Georgetown. Every single person that was part of the fight for Georgetown should be suspended. Even when provoked, a brawl on a basketball court is absolutely no way to represent the entire country. Shame on them for not being the better men.

I don't know anything about Chinese basketball regulations so I leave comment on that to Empyrean.

I've reconsidered my opinion Jibba. At first I only saw
Show nested quote +
freshman forward Moses Ayegba, who was wearing a brace on his right leg, limped onto the court with a chair in his right hand.

but after further reading I think I missed the overall picture, pointing towards the need to protect themselves.

I don't want to believe the fight was instigated solely by the Chinese players but what can you do, the only information points to it.


- -;; So if you're in a team game. And your teammates are being manhandled unfairly, you would decide to be the "bigger man" and do nothing?

Exactly how do you be the "bigger men" when the other side won't even listen, and will just fight....

EDIT: Ahhh, I just saw your edit. Here's mine.

No matter what the situation is, human beings should always try to be civil and instigate a non-violent way to solve an issue. But notice I said SHOULD. In this kind of situation, all u can do is protect the ones u love in any way possible, even if it does involve in people getting hurt and your country being shamed. While I do not commend the USA players for their reactions, I REALLY doubt that there were much options for them.
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Contagious
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States1319 Posts
August 19 2011 07:14 GMT
#240
On August 19 2011 11:23 BloodNinja wrote:
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On August 19 2011 11:10 Contagious wrote:
On August 19 2011 10:48 Jibba wrote:
From the ESPN article:
The melee was the latest instance of on-court fighting by China, whose players have been fined tens of thousands of dollars by the world and Asian federations for scrapping with opponents.


I liked the end of the video with the Bayi player sitting on top of the GT player repeatedly punching him like an MMA match. I guess we should wait to see more of how the game developed, but with those calls I somehow doubt Bayi was playing fair. And drawing a John Thompson team into a fight? Doesn't seem normal.


On August 19 2011 10:47 Little Rage Box wrote:
Bayi is very lucky that they were playing a team like Goergetown. Being a follower of College sports, there a great many more teams that would have literally stayed on the court and beat the shit outta everyone of those Chinese players. Regardless of what coaches could do.

Hell even in the Big East, I bet Syracuse and Pitt would have started using chairs too. Shame to see that really. But I guess this means that Georgetown won't be taking their summer trips to China anymore, Europe here they come.

Seriously. If that was Pitt or god forbid a Calipari team, that kid in the khakis would be eating through a tube tonight. I could see Demarcus Cousins chokeslamming someone.


Demarcus Cousins is in the NBA now.. lol and Georgetown usually is one of the more "ghetto" teams, so I think if they wanted to do something they would have, but they seemed to keep it cool like a team should. That's just me though.


Georgetown is one of the more "Ghetto" teams? I assume by that statement you consider Duke to be "ghetto" as well. Two of Georgetown's starters were heavily recruited by Duke as well. Please quit with idiotic generalizations or come back with the facts. You are jsut as bad as the CBS blogger who posted about "Georgetown Thuggery" only to backtrack when the video did support his unsubstantiated claims. Leave the shit posting to those who are actually paid for it. Thanks!

OT - "That's just me though" = Cuse fan (possibly other Big East rival) or simply ignorant. Haven't heard such ridiculous statements since the Hoya paranoia and I doubt you were even alive for that as I certainly wasn't. Although fun to see that it is still alive and well in some circles.


Duke is about the least "ghetto" team lol. I say this, because I have been to Georgetown many times, because I have a couple of friends that live there and no some of the old players, and they would talk shit and try and start fights all the time. Quit acting like you know a bunch of shit just because you read a blog. :s
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