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Looks like a hard foul by the Chinese player leading to the American player to respond with a shove. Probably didn't merit a return shove, but with tempers flaring and bias reffing the American player probably was starting to get upset.
Ultimately started with a shove from the Georgetown player, whose aggressiveness was probably stemmed from the horribly one-sided reffing. Shitty behavior from everybody but if I had to place blame it would go Refs>>>>Shover>Chinese player mob.
Also from what I've seen there was no punching or kneeing by any players before the shove.
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On August 19 2011 09:42 Sipher wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 09:37 Dantat wrote:On August 19 2011 09:18 Rembot wrote:
As the point of the fight, the Chinese players trip the American player then knee him in the torso as he's trying to rise to his feet. This is so ridiculously over-aggressive, it is basically saying "I want to hurt you" to the other player. The American player obviously takes exception, and that's all the excuse the ENTIRE CHINESE TEAM needs to clear their bench and start ganging up on people.
Oh come on. While i'm not supporting the aggression of that Chinese player, that isn't what happened. He was clearly just being over aggressive with trying to grab the basketball and did not intentionally knee the GT player (I dont think he even kneed him, can't tell though). I'm going to assume you don't really follow basketball, and if I'm incorrect in this assumpation than I apologize. However if you do follow basketball, that is a clear flagrant foul. The ball was out of the player's hands at that point, and that Chinese player has a lot of mass on him, that contact is deceptive in the sense that it doesn't look like much; but having that much mass jumped into you, especially when the GT player is quite a bit smaller can be jarring. However, I don't think it was so much as the contact as the clear no call there from the ref that was RIGHT there. Especially when at that point GT has been called for many fouls all game long, and the Chinese team was not.
No I agree that this is a hard foul.
I'm not going to comment on this incident as a whole because I don't want to get into that. But I'm addressing those people (like the person I'm quoting) that are exclaiming the Chinese player intentionally kneed the GT player's (side / torso / groin / whatever else they came up with) because that isn't what happened. I got a little annoyed by that.
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On August 19 2011 09:49 Dantat wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 09:42 Sipher wrote:On August 19 2011 09:37 Dantat wrote:On August 19 2011 09:18 Rembot wrote:
As the point of the fight, the Chinese players trip the American player then knee him in the torso as he's trying to rise to his feet. This is so ridiculously over-aggressive, it is basically saying "I want to hurt you" to the other player. The American player obviously takes exception, and that's all the excuse the ENTIRE CHINESE TEAM needs to clear their bench and start ganging up on people.
Oh come on. While i'm not supporting the aggression of that Chinese player, that isn't what happened. He was clearly just being over aggressive with trying to grab the basketball and did not intentionally knee the GT player (I dont think he even kneed him, can't tell though). I'm going to assume you don't really follow basketball, and if I'm incorrect in this assumpation than I apologize. However if you do follow basketball, that is a clear flagrant foul. The ball was out of the player's hands at that point, and that Chinese player has a lot of mass on him, that contact is deceptive in the sense that it doesn't look like much; but having that much mass jumped into you, especially when the GT player is quite a bit smaller can be jarring. However, I don't think it was so much as the contact as the clear no call there from the ref that was RIGHT there. Especially when at that point GT has been called for many fouls all game long, and the Chinese team was not. No I agree that this is a hard foul. I'm not going to comment on this incident as a whole because I don't want to get into that. But I'm addressing those people (like the person I'm quoting) that are exclaiming the Chinese player intentionally kneed the GT player's (side / torso / groin / whatever else they came up with) because that isn't what happened. I got a little annoyed by that. i've watched the thing shit ton of times by now he doesn't get kneed the GT payer turns his side while passing to the other GT player, the Chinese player hits the GT player's side with what looks like his chest, i can't be 100% sure but it looks after that the GT player is pissed that no foul is called and he pushes the Chinese player(then a foul is called XD), at which point the 2 players wrestle him to the ground.
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On August 19 2011 09:48 MayorITC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 09:45 Sipher wrote:On August 19 2011 09:39 matzisc wrote: How do people not see it starts with the black kid hitting the chinese guy in the stomach when they both land ? pretty silly imo by the op to blame it on the chinese players Actually that's false. The kid did not hit the guy in the stomach. It is possible he touched the back of his jersey to keep his balance (hard to tell from the perspective), pretty silly by you for exaggerating and not even naming the correct body part. >< Btw, I am referencing 0:17 at the video earlier on this page. Not sure if that is what you are talking about, but I think you are. Correct me if I'm wrong. You're wrong. He's clearly talking about :38. I don't think he's talking about that moment, because they are not landing anywhere. And yeah, that was a push to the side of the Chinese player (which actually it looks like the GT player missed, lol! If you are gonna push someone, make sure you push them) and not to the player's stomach..so er, still not seeing anyone hit someone in the stomach.
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On August 19 2011 09:48 randombum wrote: Looks like a hard foul by the Chinese player leading to the American player to respond with a shove. Probably didn't merit a return shove, but with tempers flaring and bias reffing the American player probably was starting to get upset.
Ultimately started with a shove from the Georgetown player, whose aggressiveness was probably stemmed from the horribly one-sided reffing. Shitty behavior from everybody but if I had to place blame it would go Refs>>>>Shover>Chinese player mob. again, a hard shove is nothing in basketball, especially when someone just jumped on you.
you see that a lot in nba games. watch the video.
-gt player shoves bayi player -bayi player shoves back -2nd bayi player joins in and shoves him -gt player recognizes the danger of this situation and starts running away, especially because he's cornered and surrounded by white jerseys, and he trips on the ground -that stupid piece of shit in the white polo and khaki shorts runs up and starts stomping on him. -certain GT players are trying to get in close, and other bayi players huddle up and chase them down. (left side of OP's video, 0:15).
to me it appeared that a knee was given based on blurry video filmed from afar. whether or not that's true, i don't know. that's still not the important part, it was that he was jumped into. a knee would just be icing on the cake.
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All else aside, I find it hilarious that people keep pushing the "GROWN MEN BEATING UP COLLEGE KIDS" angle, even though the American college basketball players tend to be, and Georgetown's team included, basically the same size/bigger than Asian people lol -_-
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On August 19 2011 09:59 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: All else aside, I find it hilarious that people keep pushing the "GROWN MEN BEATING UP COLLEGE KIDS" angle, even though the American college basketball players tend to be, and Georgetown's team included, basically the same size/bigger than Asian people lol -_- Asian people in general, sure. Professional Asian basketball players?! Ummmm, not necessarily. Chinese have some very tall ball players. Also want to add in the mental aspect of being an adult compared to a college kid. Some college kids are more mentally developed than others. But not all of them.
Especially considering these adults are apart of the Chinese army, you would think they would act more mature and show more sensitivity to the situation.
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Baa?21242 Posts
On August 19 2011 10:02 Sipher wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 09:59 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: All else aside, I find it hilarious that people keep pushing the "GROWN MEN BEATING UP COLLEGE KIDS" angle, even though the American college basketball players tend to be, and Georgetown's team included, basically the same size/bigger than Asian people lol -_- Asian people in general, sure. Professional Asian basketball players?! Ummmm, not necessarily. Chinese have some very tall ball players.
Watch the video, they're generally the same size, if not a bit in favor of the GT players. Not every Chinese player is a Yao Ming xD
@ Edit: This is nothing about how the Chinese had a right or something cause they were smaller lol of course they were retarded. But it's dumb to paint this as a bunch of grown men eating up on like 12 year olds or something.
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On August 19 2011 10:02 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 10:02 Sipher wrote:On August 19 2011 09:59 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: All else aside, I find it hilarious that people keep pushing the "GROWN MEN BEATING UP COLLEGE KIDS" angle, even though the American college basketball players tend to be, and Georgetown's team included, basically the same size/bigger than Asian people lol -_- Asian people in general, sure. Professional Asian basketball players?! Ummmm, not necessarily. Chinese have some very tall ball players. Watch the video, they're generally the same size, if not a bit in favor of the GT players. Not every Chinese player is a Yao Ming xD I do realize that, I didn't get my edit in before you saw my post I guess. A big point I want to push is the mental aspect. College kids are still growing mentally and maturity wise. Read my previous edited post ^_^
@EDIT- k reply to your edit. I understand what you mean now, haha. Took a little while However, the Chinese team is actually taller than the GT team (who is considered a pretty short team in the Big East). As a matter of fact I just looked at both teams rosters, and the Chinese team is by far taller than the GT team! >< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayi_Rockets http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgetown_Hoyas_men's_basketball#Current_roster
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Looking forward to next weeks thread involving China. Considering that last week we had bear bile then hunters hunting NON endangered animals then now about a basketball game (c'mon really?) I'm curious on how trivial the angle on next weeks sino topic is going to be.
FML smh beat me to it with their front page story on a US ambassador buying coffee in person in China...
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On August 19 2011 09:59 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: All else aside, I find it hilarious that people keep pushing the "GROWN MEN BEATING UP COLLEGE KIDS" angle, even though the American college basketball players tend to be, and Georgetown's team included, basically the same size/bigger than Asian people lol -_- military basketball team sells it more although ionno where that started Its founding team members served in the People's Liberation Army (PLA). The "Bayi" in their name represents the anniversary of the founding of the PLA.
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On August 19 2011 10:02 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 10:02 Sipher wrote:On August 19 2011 09:59 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: All else aside, I find it hilarious that people keep pushing the "GROWN MEN BEATING UP COLLEGE KIDS" angle, even though the American college basketball players tend to be, and Georgetown's team included, basically the same size/bigger than Asian people lol -_- Asian people in general, sure. Professional Asian basketball players?! Ummmm, not necessarily. Chinese have some very tall ball players. Watch the video, they're generally the same size, if not a bit in favor of the GT players. Not every Chinese player is a Yao Ming xD @ Edit: This is nothing about how the Chinese had a right or something cause they were smaller lol of course they were retarded. But it's dumb to paint this as a bunch of grown men eating up on like 12 year olds or something. Haha well it IS a bunch of grown-up men being childish and fighting (maybe even starting it, not gonna get into that) with kids in their late-teens and early 20s, right? I don't see how size even has to do anything with adult professional teams versus college kids
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Lol at free throws. Obviously some majorly fishy officiating was happening. I've never seen such a disparity in any game ever.
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You dont play that rough or call tight games that are just essentially friendlies unless something weird is happening. The refs were pretty obviously screwing over Georgetown and the Chinese players were taking advantage of it.
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Were losing track of whats important here. Did you see how much better Gtown was then the pro Chinese team lol. The chinese team had 50 foul shots and it was just tied. That is sick man. The United States will continue to dominate the Olympics for a long time to come in basketball. They totally outclassed this team and even with a severe handicap they didn't lose.
I also think that no matter what anyone says that picture is worth a 1000 words. You can't damage control all those little chinese guys stomping G towns player. Stuff happens in sports no matter the sport or location so I don't really think its to big of a deal but I think overall it looks much worse for the chinese team.
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Thats a technical foulllllll
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Bayi is very lucky that they were playing a team like Goergetown. Being a follower of College sports, there a great many more teams that would have literally stayed on the court and beat the shit outta everyone of those Chinese players. Regardless of what coaches could do.
Hell even in the Big East, I bet Syracuse and Pitt would have started using chairs too. Shame to see that really. But I guess this means that Georgetown won't be taking their summer trips to China anymore, Europe here they come.
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From the ESPN article:
The melee was the latest instance of on-court fighting by China, whose players have been fined tens of thousands of dollars by the world and Asian federations for scrapping with opponents.
I liked the end of the video with the Bayi player sitting on top of the GT player repeatedly punching him like an MMA match. I guess we should wait to see more of how the game developed, but with those calls I somehow doubt Bayi was playing fair. And drawing a John Thompson team into a fight? Doesn't seem normal.
On August 19 2011 10:47 Little Rage Box wrote: Bayi is very lucky that they were playing a team like Goergetown. Being a follower of College sports, there a great many more teams that would have literally stayed on the court and beat the shit outta everyone of those Chinese players. Regardless of what coaches could do.
Hell even in the Big East, I bet Syracuse and Pitt would have started using chairs too. Shame to see that really. But I guess this means that Georgetown won't be taking their summer trips to China anymore, Europe here they come. Seriously. If that was Pitt or god forbid a Calipari team, that kid in the khakis would be eating through a tube tonight. I could see Demarcus Cousins chokeslamming someone.
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This was a pathetic display of Chinese basketball. No wonder the national team is crap without Yao Ming.
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On August 19 2011 10:48 Jibba wrote:From the ESPN article: Show nested quote +The melee was the latest instance of on-court fighting by China, whose players have been fined tens of thousands of dollars by the world and Asian federations for scrapping with opponents. I liked the end of the video with the Bayi player sitting on top of the GT player repeatedly punching him like an MMA match. I guess we should wait to see more of how the game developed, but with those calls I somehow doubt Bayi was playing fair. And drawing a John Thompson team into a fight? Doesn't seem normal. Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 10:47 Little Rage Box wrote: Bayi is very lucky that they were playing a team like Goergetown. Being a follower of College sports, there a great many more teams that would have literally stayed on the court and beat the shit outta everyone of those Chinese players. Regardless of what coaches could do.
Hell even in the Big East, I bet Syracuse and Pitt would have started using chairs too. Shame to see that really. But I guess this means that Georgetown won't be taking their summer trips to China anymore, Europe here they come. Seriously. If that was Pitt or god forbid a Calipari team, that kid in the khakis would be eating through a tube tonight. I could see Demarcus Cousins chokeslamming someone.
Demarcus Cousins is in the NBA now.. lol and Georgetown usually is one of the more "ghetto" teams, so I think if they wanted to do something they would have, but they seemed to keep it cool like a team should. That's just me though.
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