On August 19 2011 09:00 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: Perhaps this will curb some of the Chinese racism I see that black people are violent brutes.
what on earth are you talking about
There's extremely negative stereotypes against black people in China and in much of Asia that they are all very violent people. I know my mother, who grew up in Taiwan, when first coming to the U.S. (didn't have any family here, didn't really speak English), was under the impression that a majority of black people had violent tendencies and a large percentage of them were rapists. Ironically, she ended up having a temporary black roommate a year or so later and she said he was one of the sweetest guys she had met.
oh geez, i completely misread the original thing. a lot of chinese are racist against black people? lame
Ah gotta love blind hate towards a country when these kids have nothing to do with the problems you have with it... not saying Americans don't ever do it but this is pathetic.
There's quite a few China apologists in this thread. I think the story is pretty clear from the different accounts we've read/seen.
The American team was getting an exorbitantly high number of fouls called on them the entire game. The difference in free throw numbers clearly points to ref bias. In addition to that, fouls by the Chinese team were mostly going uncalled.
As the point of the fight, the Chinese players trip the American player then knee him in the torso as he's trying to rise to his feet. This is so ridiculously over-aggressive, it is basically saying "I want to hurt you" to the other player. The American player obviously takes exception, and that's all the excuse the ENTIRE CHINESE TEAM needs to clear their bench and start ganging up on people.
During the fight, it can be seen that the Chinese players are the primary aggressors, while the American players are trying to defend themselves and their teammates, eventually beating a hasty retreat for the exit. Each teams' actions is concordant with the mood set for the entire game by the officiating crew, allowing the Chinese team to have the run of the game while shutting down anything by the American team.
What's funny to me through all of this is, despite the refs' best efforts, the Chinese team still only managed to tie the score, and only after the American team had left the court!
In the aftermath, we're seeing a lot of censorship in the Chinese media about what happened. Why would they have anything to hide if their actions were justified? Meanwhile, a more complete picture is being formed here; we even have firsthand accounts from unbiased spectators. While it may not convince everyone, all of the evidence points squarely at the Chinese as the primary movers and instigators behind the conflict.
On August 19 2011 09:00 Hidden_MotiveS wrote: Perhaps this will curb some of the Chinese racism I see that black people are violent brutes.
what on earth are you talking about
There's extremely negative stereotypes against black people in China and in much of Asia that they are all very violent people. I know my mother, who grew up in Taiwan, when first coming to the U.S. (didn't have any family here, didn't really speak English), was under the impression that a majority of black people had violent tendencies and a large percentage of them were rapists. Ironically, she ended up having a temporary black roommate a year or so later and she said he was one of the sweetest guys she had met.
oh geez, i completely misread the original thing. a lot of chinese are racist against black people? lame
I did as well if that is indeed what Hidden_MotiveS' post was inferring. I read it completely differently.
On August 19 2011 09:01 emc wrote: well in the NBA if you so much as throw a chair you can get fined, if you even start a fight you are most certainly banned from the season if not banned for even longer.
in the NBA, if you even just get up from your chair, you are suspended for the next game. (see: amare stoudamire, phx vs. sa, 2007 playoffs). and yet here you have the training staff stomping on a defenseless player? how embarrassing is that?
again, in that situation, when someone's trying to pass the ball like that, you NEVER jump forward unless you want to intentionally flagrant foul or you fall hard for a pump fake. there's no excuse for that, and there sure as hell is no excuse for lifting your leg to knee someone. it's bad enough when someone jumps on you.
and stop with the racism/nationalism. if everyone was the same race, here's what you would see: -adults beating up kids with chairs. -Bayi players mobbing GT players who have clearly surrendered and are trying to escape. -GT players frustrated that their own coaching staff is holding them back, while Bayi's coaching staff is joining in the fight. -the crowd joining in and throwing water bottles at both GT fans/family and at players.
On August 19 2011 09:12 Ravencruiser wrote: Great neutrality in your post OP.
And I'm sure the Washington Post is a great neutral source for this story.
Did you read the article?
It's pretty much the only source that has been presented where the writer was at the game and states the course of events leading up to the brawl. Basically all other media outlets are referencing Wang's account of the story as they didn't have anyone at the event to cover it.
The OP didn't even link to that article in the first place, it was edited in because it is the best account we have.
On August 19 2011 09:12 Ravencruiser wrote: Great neutrality in your post OP.
And I'm sure the Washington Post is a great neutral source for this story.
Did you read the article?
It's pretty much the only source that has been presented where the writer was at the game and states the course of events leading up to the brawl. Basically all other media outlets are referencing Wang's account of the story as they didn't have anyone at the event to cover it.
The OP didn't even link to that article in the first place, it was edited in because it is the best account we have.
That, and the fact that we can't really link a Chinese article here because, guess what? The government is censoring it so it paints a certain picture; a picture that reflects the GT as the offenders and having started and instigated the fight. So if we were to link a Chinese article, it would be a far more "biased" one than the Washington Post's story. Which actually gives a pretty good background to the game.
As the point of the fight, the Chinese players trip the American player then knee him in the torso as he's trying to rise to his feet. This is so ridiculously over-aggressive, it is basically saying "I want to hurt you" to the other player. The American player obviously takes exception, and that's all the excuse the ENTIRE CHINESE TEAM needs to clear their bench and start ganging up on people.
Oh come on.
While i'm not supporting the aggression of that Chinese player, that isn't what happened. He was clearly just being over aggressive with trying to grab the basketball and did not intentionally knee the GT player (I dont think he even kneed him, can't tell though).
How do people not see it starts with the black kid hitting the chinese guy in the stomach when they both land ? pretty silly imo by the op to blame it on the chinese players
Some Chinese fans were incredulous. “It seemed that [the referee] was eager to the Chinese team win tonight, so the Georgetown team members were very unhappy about it,” said Zhou Ting, 26, a doctoral candidate in biology at the Chinese Academy of Science who attended both games. “I can tell the Chinese players provoked the conflict. . . .The [Bayi] basketball players have got a bad habit of revenge on every small, unfair thing in the Chinese Basketball Association. It’s a hooligan’s habit.”
People should read a bit more before they post....or is the article dismissed because it's written by a biased 'merican? Ironic that the people most critical about Bayi in the first pages of this thread are Chinese. Guess they don't have to worry about being politically correct in this case and call bullshit when they see it.
On August 19 2011 09:39 matzisc wrote: How do people not see it starts with the black kid hitting the chinese guy in the stomach when they both land ? pretty silly imo by the op to blame it on the chinese players
if i push you around all day, you tell the teachers/authority no one cares so you get frustrated and next time i push you, you take a swipe at me clearly it's all your fault. At which point me and my friend push you around some more and more ppl come to step on you and hit you with a chair. all your fault indeed
There's quite a few China apologists in this thread. I think the story is pretty clear from the different accounts we've read/seen.
lol There's a fuckton of ugly shit in China, and honestly this is nothing compared to the serious stuff that goes down there. There are hockey fights here in Canada that aren't much better. The reason that apologists flock to this thread is because it is needlessly nationalistic. Right is right, wrong is wrong; some places may have more wrong than others. It's easy to look up some pirates and go all "lololol Somalians so violent" but no amount of jostling to be on the moral high ground has ever solved a problem. The only conclusion to be made here, if the past few posters are right, is that the college teams should demand a review or refuse to play. It's ridiculous to make claims on a national level based on a basketball game.
and yes I'm Chinese, let's be honest calling out poster nationalities means nothing
As the point of the fight, the Chinese players trip the American player then knee him in the torso as he's trying to rise to his feet. This is so ridiculously over-aggressive, it is basically saying "I want to hurt you" to the other player. The American player obviously takes exception, and that's all the excuse the ENTIRE CHINESE TEAM needs to clear their bench and start ganging up on people.
Oh come on.
While i'm not supporting the aggression of that Chinese player, that isn't what happened. He was clearly just being over aggressive with trying to grab the basketball and did not intentionally knee the GT player (I dont think he even kneed him, can't tell though).
I'm going to assume you don't really follow basketball, and if I'm incorrect in this assumpation than I apologize. However if you do follow basketball, that is a clear flagrant foul. The ball was out of the player's hands at that point, and that Chinese player has a lot of mass on him, that contact is deceptive in the sense that it doesn't look like much; but having that much mass jumped into you, especially when the GT player is quite a bit smaller can be jarring. However, I don't think it was so much as the contact as the clear no call there from the ref that was RIGHT there. Especially when at that point GT has been called for many fouls all game long, and the Chinese team was not.
On August 19 2011 09:39 matzisc wrote: How do people not see it starts with the black kid hitting the chinese guy in the stomach when they both land ? pretty silly imo by the op to blame it on the chinese players
if i push you around all day, you tell the teaches or authority no one cares so you get frustrated and next time i push you, you take a swipe at me clearly it's all your fault.
Now you're making assumptions and taking things out of context. It's a basketball game. If the referees are being biased, you don't retaliate by assaulting the other team.
On August 19 2011 09:39 matzisc wrote: How do people not see it starts with the black kid hitting the chinese guy in the stomach when they both land ? pretty silly imo by the op to blame it on the chinese players
Actually that's false. The kid did not hit the guy in the stomach. It is possible he touched the back of his jersey to keep his balance (hard to tell from the perspective), pretty silly by you for exaggerating and not even naming the correct body part. ><
Btw, I am referencing 0:17 at the video earlier on this page. Not sure if that is what you are talking about, but I think you are. Correct me if I'm wrong.
On August 19 2011 09:39 matzisc wrote: How do people not see it starts with the black kid hitting the chinese guy in the stomach when they both land ? pretty silly imo by the op to blame it on the chinese players
Actually that's false. The kid did not hit the guy in the stomach. It is possible he touched the back of his jersey to keep his balance (hard to tell from the perspective), pretty silly by you for exaggerating and not even naming the correct body part. ><
Btw, I am referencing 0:17 at the video earlier on this page. Not sure if that is what you are talking about, but I think you are. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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