EPTGirls using wealthy men to pay off student loans - Page 28
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On August 03 2011 06:53 Tommie wrote: You are so fucking naive i dont have any words for it. It is their own responsibility offcourse. But I'm just shocked how everyone thinks its not a big deal. If this is how yanks feel about women im not surprised yankee girls think im amazing and say they never been with guys as respectful and sweet as me. ( funny by the way when ask if it were cool if it were their sisters or their moms im not allowed to use such a question in an argument or they give me an answer i dont believe at all being a theorycrafter ). The rest of the rant aside, I'm pretty sure that it's Amsterdam that has a fully legal and unionized red light district, not America. I remember news about a sex worker strike there a couple years ago... Are you actually from the Netherlands? | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On August 03 2011 06:48 DetriusXii wrote: How old are you? When you're an adult, you stop thinking about lottery figures and start thinking about wage rate per hour. $50,000 for 0.5 hours is a pretty cheap night for work. And gay guys go through gay sex, so it can't be that disastrous to go through it willingly. 28, and a million dollars is not exactly a lottery figure for me, but see it as you like. I imagine different people would have varying difficulty with the "process", but for me, not worth it ever, no matter how busto I get. I think it might be better if you could make a consistent living off of it, since you'd get used to the "process" over time. I agree with you that living comfortably for a few hours of sex each year is worthwhile, but as a one time deal, you'd be filled with regret. | ||
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
On August 03 2011 06:49 Tommie wrote: Did i say i want to make sex work illegal? Are you being a troll? i think you are No one is being a troll, you just seem to be the type of person that values sex as something more than what it actually is. To clear some things up, these women are in no way forced into this. They are not indebt to the men paying them, they are indebt to the government (or wherever they got their loans). Thousands of people get student loans and work to pay them off, how do you think guys do it? If my sister or any woman I knew was ok with selling sex for a large sum of money ($50 000 is a ridiculous amount to make in 1-2 hours), then good for them, if anything I'm kind of jealous. It's not the case that people here are ok with this because they do not know either party involved, people are ok with it because the reason governments are generally against prostitution comes from values of the old world (i.e religious values). How do you feel about female actresses that are hired largely due to their looks (Jessica Alba)? On August 03 2011 06:56 Cel.erity wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 03 2011 06:48 DetriusXii wrote: How old are you? When you're an adult, you stop thinking about lottery figures and start thinking about wage rate per hour. $50,000 for 0.5 hours is a pretty cheap night for work. And gay guys go through gay sex, so it can't be that disastrous to go through it willingly. 28, and a million dollars is not exactly a lottery figure for me, but see it as you like. I imagine different people would have varying difficulty with the "process", but for me, not worth it ever, no matter how busto I get. I think it might be better if you could make a consistent living off of it, since you'd get used to the "process" over time. I agree with you that living comfortably for a few hours of sex each year is worthwhile, but as a one time deal, you'd be filled with regret. A million dollars in a matter of minutes is not a lottery figure to you? You must be very well off. | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
So what is a ban on prostitution if not a war on the poor ooh ye rightious? Either the women do it from an economical need and you deny it to them, leaving them in economical dire straits or they do it because they want to and you are denying them their right to engage in perfectly acceptable behaviour. There are infact plenty of women that like prostitution. The low workhours combined with the high pay, especially for those not active in low class climates is far greater then most other jobs. A prostitute in Holland will easily make several times the income i can and this is talking red light district, that's not even high class prostitution. Great deal of good that degree ever did me, i work more hours and get paid a great deal less. A high class prostitute will probably earn more money then any person here on TL will ever earn in the same ammount of time. And you want to what? Save them from being rich? Save them from a life they most likely greatly enjoy. They have many times more income then you and many times more free time, so should you really be showing them pity when noone of them would ask you for it? Forced prositution is completly wrong but the only problem is the lack of choice. If someone chooses to engage in prostution on their own free will then there is nothing wrong. People make up idiotic leaps of logic how their financial situation actually leaves them with no choice and thus it's not free will. Newsflash, if i don't work i don't have any money to live off so i am forced to work and earn it. I have no free choice in wether i work or not, i am a slave. Ooh wait that's fucking ridiculous and doesn't make any sense. | ||
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snakeeyez
United States1231 Posts
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
On August 03 2011 06:52 King.Crimson wrote: Out of curiosity, and feel free to PM me or not reply at all if this is out of line. Those old women you had to satisfy for financial gains, how did u manage to get aroused/hard in order to perform well? Pills/booze/both? Or was the $ incentive aphrodisiac enough. Btw i'm not trolling, this is a legimitate question. No, had no problems at all with my equipment, they were by no means hideous or anything just your average 50-60yr old,(my oldest being 57 when I was 21) mostly recently divorced trophy wives. | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
On August 03 2011 06:40 Tommie wrote: Maybe my standards they are not reality but I find it disturbing that everyone here seems to think: ' oh is cool, if they want it let them.' Its not like this is a post about more and more people preferring boilt eggs over baked ones. If I go to thailand and get me 3 fuckslaves beause the country is poor as fuck and i'm rich as hell compared to them is that cool? I dont think so. Same here. Prostitution is in most cases not okay and most women dont want it. There are exceptions offcourse but if you would ask a women: he would you stop doing it if you could/did not have to/did not have such enormous debts, I bet they'd say yes. Another one for you theorycrafters. I'm 50 and rich and pick up your sister for a little dinner and a big fuck. Not because I'm all that attractive but just because im rich as fuck and your sis is heavily in debt. Still think its cool? someone wrote a paper on this subject and says it should be acceptable. in short, the arguments were..... 1. historically, wealth is positively correlated with health and intelligence. possibly because by making smarter choices, overtime, you get better results. 2. genetics play a strong role in intelligence. 3. thus, women who chooses mate based on material wealth would indirectly have selected a mate with stronger DNA. also, studies show that wealth and infant mortality has very strong relationship. a child born to a poor family is less likely to survive. long story short: women's tendency to choose wealthy men may be hard coded into our DNA for the purposes of survival. | ||
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Tommie
China658 Posts
On August 03 2011 06:55 acker wrote: The rest of the rant aside, I'm pretty sure that it's Amsterdam that has a fully legal and unionized red light district, not America. I remember news about a sex worker strike there a couple years ago... Are you actually from the Netherlands? Yea I am. And ive been in the rld plenty of times. Im not a customer though. I dont feel any contempt to these women/men/anything in between. But so many people are god damn naive when it comes to prostitution. There is an union. Many independent sex workers are a member of it. But the majority of the ladies come from eastern europe/asia and have a pimp and they are in debt with their pimp for their journey. Sometimes forced to work by violence but most of the time the debt/money they need for their family is enough. It's a different ballgame from what this topic used to be all about tho. | ||
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DetriusXii
Canada156 Posts
On August 03 2011 06:56 Cel.erity wrote: 28, and a million dollars is not exactly a lottery figure for me, but see it as you like. I imagine different people would have varying difficulty with the "process", but for me, not worth it ever, no matter how busto I get. I think it might be better if you could make a consistent living off of it, since you'd get used to the "process" over time. I agree with you that living comfortably for a few hours of sex each year is worthwhile, but as a one time deal, you'd be filled with regret. Why would you have to quit your current job? Are you that single minded where once you tried the gay sex prostitution, you wouldn't be able to return to your current job ever? What mythical force prevents you from returning to the job you worked at? | ||
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Tommie
China658 Posts
On August 03 2011 07:02 dybydx wrote: someone wrote a paper on this subject and says it should be acceptable. in short, the arguments were..... 1. historically, wealth is positively correlated with health and intelligence. possibly because by making smarter choices, overtime, you get better results. 2. genetics play a strong role in intelligence. 3. thus, women who chooses mate based on material wealth would indirectly have selected a mate with stronger DNA. also, studies show that wealth and infant mortality has very strong relationship. a child born to a poor family is less likely to survive. long story short: women's tendency to choose wealthy men may be hard coded into our DNA for the purposes of survival. Thanks for the explanation. Jerking off some 50 year old since you are 15 k in debt sure is good for our gene pool. Or is that not what your are trying to say? Probably not since your post does not say anything, it is just some random 'facts'. Why is it always that sooner or later in any discussion however remotely related to sex some yank comes up with some genetic/darwinistic research he doesnt even make a point out off? Maybe because you need 150 years to digest a book, maybe because your continent has never seen social darwinism in action. | ||
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
On August 03 2011 07:04 Tommie wrote: Yea I am. And ive been in the rld plenty of times. Im not a customer though. I dont feel any contempt to these women/men/anything in between. But so many people are god damn naive when it comes to prostitution. There is an union. Many independent sex workers are a member of it. But the majority of the ladies come from eastern europe/asia and have a pimp and they are in debt with their pimp for their journey. Sometimes forced to work by violence but most of the time the money is enough. It's a different ballgame from what this topic used to be all about tho. But this all exists because prostitution is illegal. If it were legal, the girls would get a lot more support and would not be forced into it, And there's a difference between a prostitute and a sex slave. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
The article states one of the girls went to her new "client" with her friend on standby with the phone, just in case "something" goes wrong. How sexy is that, going to give yourself to a person who you imagine might be a complete lunatic? So stupid. Not to mention, they aren't going to be guaranteed anonymity. They can't possibly know who is going to notice them, or if they're even being recorded. There is a lot of potential there to ruin a woman's chances of any control over a future career. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On August 03 2011 07:04 DetriusXii wrote: Why would you have to quit your current job? Are you that single minded where once you tried the gay sex prostitution, you wouldn't be able to return to your current job ever? What mythical force prevents you from returning to the job you worked at? Not sure why you're being so hostile to someone for stating an opinion on a totally hypothetical fantasy situation that you happen to disagree with. It's not about quitting the job, it's about the fact that for one traumatizing event, $50k is not enough compensation at all. With each successive event, the process becomes less traumatizing, and eventually it will feel like $50k for doing nothing, which is great. However, I think you greatly overvalue what $50k can do for you. It's not exactly life-changing money. I have played poker for 10 years, and had many ups and downs, and I can tell you $50k is not nearly enough to make you a happier person. I've been flat broke, but I've never been at the point where I've said "oh man, I wish I could rent out my asshole for $50k". Having money and losing it gives you a more realistic perspective on how meaningless money really is. Money comes and goes, terrible memories are something you have to live with forever. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On August 03 2011 07:10 MrDudeMan wrote: But this all exists because prostitution is illegal. If it were legal, the girls would get a lot more support and would not be forced into it, And there's a difference between a prostitute and a sex slave. Prostitution is legal in Amsterdam as long as regulations are followed, but illegal prostitution still exists outside of regulated channels (like it does in every other country). One is largely consensual, the other largely isn't. That said, legalization certainly reduced coercive prostitution significantly by giving a means for legal redress. Much easier to pack up and leave when the police are backing you... On August 03 2011 07:10 MrDudeMan wrote: There is an union. Many independent sex workers are a member of it. But the majority of the ladies come from eastern europe/asia and have a pimp and they are in debt with their pimp for their journey. Sometimes forced to work by violence but most of the time the money is enough. It's a different ballgame from what this topic used to be all about tho. But the pimping you describe is illegal, not legal, prostitution. Laws in the Netherlands do not protect coercive sex. Nor are even a majority of foreign workers working outside of legal jurisdiction and regulation, when almost all would be in any nonlegal country. | ||
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wolfe
United States761 Posts
 Unfortunate, but I'm sure there are other better ways around paying for college debt. | ||
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MCeast
Afghanistan43 Posts
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On August 02 2011 12:30 oldgregg wrote: its a transaction and they are both consenting adults so i dont see a problem I'm not against prostitution. But you're kidding yourself if you think this isn't prostitution. | ||
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DetriusXii
Canada156 Posts
On August 03 2011 07:12 Cel.erity wrote: Not sure why you're being so hostile to someone for stating an opinion on a totally hypothetical fantasy situation that you happen to disagree with. It's not about quitting the job, it's about the fact that for one traumatizing event, $50k is not enough compensation at all. With each successive event, the process becomes less traumatizing, and eventually it will feel like $50k for doing nothing, which is great. However, I think you greatly overvalue what $50k can do for you. It's not exactly life-changing money. I have played poker for 10 years, and had many ups and downs, and I can tell you $50k is not nearly enough to make you a happier person. I've been flat broke, but I've never been at the point where I've said "oh man, I wish I could rent out my asshole for $50k". Having money and losing it gives you a more realistic perspective on how meaningless money really is. Money comes and goes, terrible memories are something you have to live with forever. I will never be at that point as well, but you keep on saying it would be a traumatizing event. How do you know it will be traumatizing towards all people? Not everyone has the same sex drive and some are capable of fucking older people. The view that sex for money is dirty is ingrained within Christian society, but it wasn't dirty to the citizens of Pompei. One poster on Metafilter also brought up a salient point: older male cripples have a hard time seeking a relationship. They still have a sex drive like any other male, but like any other male, masturbation just isn't the same as sex and they still would like to seek it out. Shouldn't there be a venue for them? | ||
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Tommie
China658 Posts
On August 03 2011 06:55 Haemonculus wrote: Respectful and sweet and tells you how to think, how could any yankee gal say no? xD ye i dont know mate must be the looks  | ||
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