EPTGirls using wealthy men to pay off student loans - Page 29
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iggyfisk
Sweden212 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 03 2011 06:53 Tommie wrote: You are so fucking naive i dont have any words for it. It is their own responsibility offcourse. But I'm just shocked how everyone thinks its not a big deal. If this is how yanks feel about women im not surprised yankee girls think im amazing and say they never been with guys as respectful and sweet as me. ( funny by the way when ask if it were cool if it were their sisters or their moms im not allowed to use such a question in an argument or they give me an answer i dont believe at all being a theorycrafter ). lmao. How does that make me naiive? I said it's their choice. But who the fuck am I to tell them they can't do this? Are you kidding me, if anything it's YOU who don't respect women, not the other men in this thread. At least we're respecting their right to choose what they want to do, not forcing them to take a particular action. They aren't anymore desperate than the same males with the same degrees that have massive student loans as well. So please. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
It almost certainly has to be that. | ||
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Drium
United States888 Posts
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On August 03 2011 07:10 MrDudeMan wrote: But this all exists because prostitution is illegal. If it were legal, the girls would get a lot more support and would not be forced into it, And there's a difference between a prostitute and a sex slave. He's actually very right. Prostitution is pretty much the result of economic circumstances, and legalizing/unionizing doesn't change fuck all about it. The dutch prostitution scene is probably the most regulated in the world, but that doesn't change the simple fact that most of the dutch prostitutes are foreigners coming from absolute poverty. Noone actually wants to be a prostitute. They do it for the money, either because they're addicted to dope or because they need money to survive. The red light district isn't some kind of entrepreneurship, it still is pure exploitation. It's understandable why women do it, it's just sad that they have to resort to it in the first place. As for this specific case, if you have no shot at paying off your college debt with your future job, the solution isn't legalizing prostitution, it's realigning the cost of the education with the expected value you get from it. | ||
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Bartuc
Netherlands629 Posts
On August 03 2011 07:30 FabledIntegral wrote: lmao. How does that make me naiive? I said it's their choice. But who the fuck am I to tell them they can't do this? Are you kidding me, if anything it's YOU who don't respect women, not the other men in this thread. At least we're respecting their right to choose what they want to do, not forcing them to take a particular action. They aren't anymore desperate than the same males with the same degrees that have massive student loans as well. So please. Imo there is a difference between respecting a right to choose and respect as a result of the actual choice made. A person can make a certain choice in life and I respect that person having the right/ability to actually make that choice as an individual, but that doesn't mean I personally respect or approve of said choice/behavior. | ||
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Tommie
China658 Posts
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saying this so simply. There are a million shades of grey between choosing and being forced. That makes you naive. But it was also a reply to the view of prostitution many people seem to have. I'd like people to think a bit about this instead of giving the easy answer: oh its their choice so its no problem. | ||
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Ostracized
Canada52 Posts
Noone actually wants to be a prostitute. [/QUOTE] Are you certain that 0% of prostitutes chose their career? I'd agree that most are coerced into the profession due to drugs, poverty or violence, but some percentage might actually do it by choice. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On August 03 2011 07:36 Derez wrote: He's actually very right. Prostitution is pretty much the result of economic circumstances, and legalizing/unionizing doesn't change fuck all about it. The dutch prostitution scene is probably the most regulated in the world, but that doesn't change the simple fact that most of the dutch prostitutes are foreigners coming from absolute poverty. To be frank, they could work at a minimum wage job if they wanted to. Who put a gun to their head and told them to work for higher pay? After all, the majority are working in the legal side, not the illegal side, coercion certainly isn't a factor for most of them... On August 03 2011 07:36 Derez wrote: Noone actually wants to be a prostitute. They do it for the money, either because they're addicted to dope or because they need money to survive. The red light district isn't some kind of entrepreneurship, it still is pure exploitation. The second sentence does not follow. No one works for anything but money to survive, except maybe the rich. A tenth of prostitutes in the RL district are addicted to drugs. They have the choice to work in a lower-wage profession if they want to, except the ones tied up in the illegal, not the legal, prostitution business. Explain why it's all pure exploitation. On August 03 2011 07:39 Tommie wrote: Saying this so simply. There are a million shades of grey between choosing and being forced. That makes you naive. But it was also a reply to the view of prostitution many people seem to have. I'd like people to think a bit about this instead of giving the easy answer: oh its their choice so its no problem. That's true for any job, not just prostitution. I don't see you arguing for banning garbagemen because they're forced into their profession by thousands of shades of gray. | ||
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Bartuc
Netherlands629 Posts
On August 03 2011 07:41 acker wrote: That's true for any job, not just prostitution. Unless we are talking about things that tie a person down to prostitution specifically (e.g. a woman whoring herself out because it's the only method she can/knows of that can help her pay off the debt the cost of a house). | ||
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Tommie
China658 Posts
On August 03 2011 07:35 Drium wrote: Being a ho doesn't automatically make you "immoral" or a bad person, but it does make you a ho. I think you just won the thread. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On August 03 2011 07:44 Bartuc wrote: Unless we are talking about things that tie a person down to prostitution specifically. Problem is, it has to only apply to prostitution or it can be applied just as equally to any other job. Like banning or shaming garbagemen, ridiculous as it is. Most people who become garbagemen are "forced" into the situation to survive, if we use the same "forced" as applied to prostitution, and they can legally find lower-paying jobs... Or, if you have a problem with that, MacDonald's employees also work. | ||
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Bartuc
Netherlands629 Posts
On August 03 2011 07:46 acker wrote: Problem is, it has to only apply to prostitution or it can be applied just as equally to any other job. Like banning and shaming garbagemen, ridiculous as it is. Well like I posted earlier in this thread, I can surely imagine that there's female students who use this as the 'easy way out' of a debt instead of hard work, like others placed in the same position (which is detrimental anyway, imo). However, I can also imagine that there's cases where someone simply has no alternative, or is coerced thusfar that he/she sees no way to easily 'escape' a certain situation (e.g. illegal whores from poor countries that come here and are 'kept in the business' by a pimp). But that coercion aspect is a bit beyond the current situation though (unless you regard heavy financial tiedowns as such), more as applied to some cases of prostitution in general. | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
On August 03 2011 07:46 acker wrote: Problem is, it has to only apply to prostitution or it can be applied just as equally to any other job. Like banning or shaming garbagemen, ridiculous as it is. Most people who become garbagemen are "forced" into the situation to survive, if we use the same "forced" as applied to prostitution... How is being a garbageman anything like being a prostitute? Sanitation removal is a necessity for any kind of civilization in order to avoid living in squalor. Prostitution, on the other hand, is the act of having sex for recreation (Not it's intended purpose). It offers no other benefit to society other than that. | ||
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
On August 03 2011 07:44 Bartuc wrote: Unless we are talking about things that tie a person down to prostitution specifically (e.g. a woman whoring herself out because it's the only method she can/knows of that can help her pay off the debt the cost of a house). The only difference between this and a garbage man is that selling sex is not accepted in society. On August 03 2011 07:49 RoosterSamurai wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 03 2011 07:46 acker wrote: Problem is, it has to only apply to prostitution or it can be applied just as equally to any other job. Like banning or shaming garbagemen, ridiculous as it is. Most people who become garbagemen are "forced" into the situation to survive, if we use the same "forced" as applied to prostitution... How is being a garbageman anything like being a prostitute? Sanitation removal is a necessity for any kind of civilization in order to avoid living in squalor. Prostitution, on the other hand, is the act of having sex for recreation (Not it's intended purpose). It offers no other benefit to society other than that. What does an actor offer to society other than entertainment? What about an athlete, they do not offer anything other than entertainment. If all of our jobs were meant to offer something to society there would be a lot more money invested in education. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On August 03 2011 07:49 Bartuc wrote:However, I can also imagine that there's cases where someone simply has no alternative, or is coerced thusfar that he/she sees no way to easily 'escape' a certain situation (e.g. illegal whores from poor countries that come here and are 'kept in the business' by a pimp). But that coercion aspect is a bit beyond the current situation though, more as applied to some cases of prostitution in general. True, it's not like this situation is coercive. Everyone agrees with banning coercive prostitution and giving legal redress to victims of it. | ||
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Bartuc
Netherlands629 Posts
On August 03 2011 07:51 MrDudeMan wrote: The only difference between this and a garbage man is that selling sex is not accepted in society. Of course it's looked down upon by society, I am not trying to disprove that man :-) On August 03 2011 07:52 acker wrote: True, it's not like this situation is coercive. Everyone agrees with banning coercive prostitution and giving legal redress to victims of it. Well I do think massive financial debts are in a similar 'conceptual family' (sorry, can't find the English word for this) as forms of coercion, since there is a certain negative force of significant strength applied on you that you simply cannot ignore. On August 03 2011 07:55 urasheep wrote: Lol @ the girl trying to make herself seem like she's not a whore. Yeah, I thought that was rather silly too ^^ | ||
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Tommie
China658 Posts
On August 03 2011 07:51 MrDudeMan wrote: The only difference between this and a garbage man is that selling sex is not accepted in society. I think sex is accepted in society. Noone is gonna scream at you if you say: yo dude i have sex sometimes.  I get your point but its not the only difference. I think there is a big difference between being a garbageman and being a whore just apart from what society 'thinks'. ( if there is such a thing as society and if it can think ) | ||
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urasheep
62 Posts
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
On August 03 2011 07:49 RoosterSamurai wrote: How is being a garbageman anything like being a prostitute? Sanitation removal is a necessity for any kind of civilization in order to avoid living in squalor. Prostitution, on the other hand, is the act of having sex for recreation (Not it's intended purpose). It offers no other benefit to society other than that. prostitution is taxable income and should be included in your tax return. the society benefits by higher level of employment and increased tax revenue. in addition, those girls will be able to afford an education that they otherwise can not and buy more expensive clothing, dine in more expensive restaurants in support of the economy. also, ppl who would otherwise be criminals or be called a perv, like dominic strauss-khan will be able to obtain sex with a 20 yr old legally, safely and still be regarded as a generous man helping a woman in need. | ||
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