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On August 04 2011 19:29 Rabiator wrote:
I am sorry, but you are projecting the "lets have no morals whatsover in our society" here and that doesnt work. Morals are part of the culture of a country and last time I checked the US had pretty strict community morals against sex and even "beep words". Last time I checked the US wasnt populated by Hindus as a majority either, so thats just another stupid argument to have no rules. You do need "community rules" (morals, codes of conduct, ...) though to define a country and having none will just make you a globalized citizen without any culture.
It's true that the people of the United States have deep, ingrained feelings about the "proper" way to have consensual sex. The majority of society thinks that homosexuals burn in hell and that boobs are more harmful than corpses. Whether or not a majority thinks something is right or wrong does not necessarily make it so.
Where exactly did you see me say "let's have no morals" or that rules should not exist? I've stated neither, I believe neither. Nor am I sure why being "globalized" is a slur. Care to explain?
The rest reads like something you ripped directly out of a Catholic sermon. Especially your views on nonmarital sex. This guy put it best:
On August 05 2011 01:57 Evilmystic wrote:
Looking at things you try to frown upon, like sex without marriage, I guess you're a religious person. Would you be so kind to elaborate (without resorting to religious ethics for arguments), why giving up obsolete social restrictions is harmful for individuals constituting our society?
On August 04 2011 23:12 Puph wrote:
let me get something straight, you are defending the rights of high class prostitutes due to the unemployment rate and high tuition costs and basing this on the ability of a college student to plan for the future? Prostitutes sell pussy, Most college students do drugs or drink/smoke
No, I'm replying to the assumption that prostitutes can necessarily find alternative jobs in a recession. This is based off of data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
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wow, so timely. you know the tyra banks show did an episode on this years ago. even showed the website. MTV did a "true life- i want a sugar daddy" or something.
it's just lazy people wanting to go out and do expensive things, without having to pay for anything. These girls recoil at the touch of their sugar daddy's sometimes. it's disgusting.
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On August 04 2011 19:54 hmmm... wrote:
i just wonder how many of those people saying there's nothing wrong with it,
would themselves date/marry a girl who's done the same?
of course, guys on teamliquid would probably say "uh we only said it's not wrong, that doesn't mean we'd like our own gf/wife to have done the same when she was in college"
people here like to look logical, going beyond political correctness, etc. but i am willing to bet that if you knew some girl personally fucking gramps for necessary cash, you'd probably be disgusted.
it's like how many people claim upfront they aren't racist but secretly, they are racist, whether or not they realize it or not.
You fail logic forever. I can support homosexual marriage being legal without wanting one myself. I can support the right of people to drink and smoke without wanting my little sister to do the same. Neither of those mean that I'm secretly against homosexuality or against drinking/smoking.
Likewise, I can support the right to free speech for idiots like you, even if you disgust me. The fact that you disgust me doesn't mean that I secretly hate free speech. I just openly hate you.
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The 2nd example bout smoking and drinking makes u a hypocrite the first is because ur not gay yourself which is fine. His logic isn't flawed, if u would find someone close to you beig a slut u probably wouldn't agree with it, but if it's a stranger u would go as far as to support it. that's being two faced and is logically acceptable but having that kinda view point makes u seem like ur just playing devils advocate. To express ur true support or ill will towards the subject u have u put urself in the position as these people or someone who knows a person like this... Most people seem to think it's fine, in this thread, cuz it doesn't really matter are affect them and society now adays preach "if it's not ur business then it's fine, so leave it alone"
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Pretty clearly this is prostitution. In terms of prosecuting it, seems like a pretty victimless crime.
In terms of self-respect, clearly these girls have none.
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am i the only one reading this as :
"rich men fucking lazy women which isn't going to affect anyone whatsoever so why is this a thread?"
mhh..
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On August 05 2011 05:01 Malgrif wrote:
The 2nd example bout smoking and drinking makes u a hypocrite the first is because ur not gay yourself which is fine. His logic isn't flawed, if u would find someone close to you beig a slut u probably wouldn't agree with it, but if it's a stranger u would go as far as to support it. that's being two faced and is logically acceptable but having that kinda view point makes u seem like ur just playing devils advocate. To express ur true support or ill will towards the subject u have u put urself in the position as these people or someone who knows a person like this... Most people seem to think it's fine, in this thread, cuz it doesn't really matter are affect them and society now adays preach "if it's not ur business then it's fine, so leave it alone"
People have completely rational reasons to care about their relatives' safety but not about problems of random people. With that being said, I'd be much more worried if my hypothetical brother (I happen to be the only child) would serve in army or work in a mine than if he decides to become a gay slut or smoke weed occasionally.
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On August 04 2011 22:54 Rabiator wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2011 20:13 n00b3rt wrote:On August 04 2011 19:54 hmmm... wrote:
i just wonder how many of those people saying there's nothing wrong with it,
would themselves date/marry a girl who's done the same?
of course, guys on teamliquid would probably say "uh we only said it's not wrong, that doesn't mean we'd like our own gf/wife to have done the same when she was in college"
people here like to look logical, going beyond political correctness, etc. but i am willing to bet that if you knew some girl personally fucking gramps for necessary cash, you'd probably be disgusted.
it's like how many people claim upfront they aren't racist but secretly, they are racist, whether or not they realize it or not. I think no-one would disagree with you here. See, prostitution is needed for the society, because having your primal needs satisfied maker you a better worker. But the fact that there are whores, as there were, and there will always be doesn't mess with other people's ideas of true love or probably only sex with people who you're attracted to. As long as there are girls, who wouldn't do this, I'm OK with that (even though in my country they are quite rare to find). But think of it that way - would you pay for whores when you turn 60-70 ? If you would, then you're equally disgusting, if you wouldn't - well chances are, there are girls who think that way too  a. Calling sex a "primal need" is a bit of an exaggeration IMO, because it makes it sound totally necessary. It reminds me of one episode of Boston Legal: Show nested quote +Alan defends a judge suing a company promising to cure him of "same sex attraction disorder," ... which is simply "being gay" instead of a disease. The same should apply here: Dont invent fancy names which make something sound "less bad" than it actually is. b. Humanity has survived without sex being as important as the pill, the sexual liberation, our media (especially the "sex sells" ad campaigns) and the porn industry make it. I have to go back to the novel DUNE by Frank Herbert again, where there is this "test of the box". Only if you are able to override your instincts will you truly be a human and "free love" is exactly the opposite of that. Being able to override your instincts is ever more important, because if we dont learn that skill we are going to be cheated by any stupid ad campaign, politician or journalist, just because they are adressing the "basic instincts". Could you say NO if [insert the most attractive person here] would come up and said "Hey, lets spend the night together doing naughty things.". This is just another issue where we can see the decline of our western culture. Prostitution and having sex without being married is turned into an issue without consequences and that is bad for a human character. Teenagers getting pregnant (and screwing up their education in the process because they have a child to care for), spending too much time on "fun" instead of "work" while you are living on borrowed money (and thus amassing a huge debt over time), becoming a prostitute (and losing interest in sex due to having to do it with detestable "sugar daddys" repeatedly), smoking, spending all your time at the computer playing video games (instead of going out with real life friends OR learning how to make real life friends in the first place) ... everything has consequences and most of the bad ones can really screw you up for the rest of your life. It mostly comes from the "nothing bad can ever happen" attitude which we are taught by our media and the propaganda adopted after the social revolution in 1968.Prostitution is only needed because we are taught to value having sex too much. I once saw a 13 year old boy who said that "50% of conjugal success is having good sex." (or something like that). If we didnt value sex as highly those 70 year old sugar daddys wouldnt feel the need to pay young girls for their services, but sadly it is easiest to sell things with sex ... and since we dont restrict ad campaigns every company will use it.
Hey, that's pretty fun you went into Dune. Have you read the other 5 books he wrote? Because I have.
Books 5 and 6 slam that shit into the dirt, shortly after book 4 derails it.
Next, you seem to have an issue with sex. The western culture isn't declining because we're all having sex. Also, teen birthrates have been fluctuating for some time now...in fact...shit man reading through it again...are you 60+ years old or something? It's 2011, get with the times. If we all thought the same way you did, we'd still be puritans. (Psst, btw, they burned people for having premarital sex...wanna go back to that?)
Wow...actually..I should've just bolded it all...that post if fucking retarded.
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In the past two pages people have quoted Dumbledore and Dune in defense of conservative sexuality and against sugar babies.
What a classy thread.
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What is really funny is that people in this thread actually think that these women don't neccessarily have other options...". You always have other options... always... yes, I said always. In the rare scenario where you have a gun to your head and someone is forcing you to be a prostitute then you can consider an individual to be out of options (even then you can agree to be killed, but for the sake of argument let's just assume that we will not consider that to be a valid option). It's just so ridiculous that people justify this sort of behaviour by making such terrible assumptions about the choices people can make.
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On August 05 2011 05:07 DuneBug wrote:
Pretty clearly this is prostitution. In terms of prosecuting it, seems like a pretty victimless crime.
In terms of self-respect, clearly these girls have none.
I agree. Short and (in my opinion) accurate. Well put sir.
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On August 05 2011 05:12 sanya wrote:
am i the only one reading this as :
"rich men fucking lazy women which isn't going to affect anyone whatsoever so why is this a thread?"
mhh..
except that these lazy women are going to get their dregrees bought and paid for by said rich men and then be placed in charge of people upon graduation, due to them having (assumedly) high ranking degrees.
[edit, for clarification] Meaning that the future business middle and upper middle management is going to be worse off than the current wealth of slime, since it will be made up of people with no willpower or determination. Just children with the "I want it so I should have it" mentality.
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