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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
On August 03 2011 20:44 WhiteDog wrote: No it is prostitution, I don't even understand how you can argue against that. It's absolutely prostitution. It just removes most of the horrors normally associated with prostitution... like abusive pimps, dangerous street corners, a large number of johns per night, etc. | ||
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WhiteNights
United States252 Posts
On August 03 2011 19:48 Drowsy wrote: totally bro, ironic username. Defend people from their own choices at all turns, especially if they're women. I thought you said you were going to kill yourself. Come on, don't keep us waiting. | ||
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Drowsy
United States4876 Posts
On August 03 2011 21:53 Severedevil wrote: It's absolutely prostitution. It just removes most of the horrors normally associated with prostitution... like abusive pimps, dangerous street corners, a large number of johns per night, etc. That's exactly what I'm trying to say. It's prostitution without the negatives typically associated with prostitution as it occurs in reality. I'm guessing the drugs and disease problems are also far smaller, and the ability to outright refuse a John is also worth something. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On August 03 2011 20:41 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Surely this is a better alternative to... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-14379215 The BBC hits a new low , by reporting this crap.... Technically, allowing people to sell organs should increase the supply of organs and save more lives...with donate-only, it's kind of like a market with the government enforcing a price ceiling of zero dollars, with the associated inefficiencies... But there are huge problems with this train of thought for obvious reasons, unless someone figures out how to stop abuse of a system like that. | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
On August 04 2011 03:50 Drowsy wrote: That's exactly what I'm trying to say. It's prostitution without the negatives typically associated with prostitution as it occurs in reality. I'm guessing the drugs and disease problems are also far smaller, and the ability to outright refuse a John is also worth something. we can just regulate prostitution, just like how porn movies are produced. in both cases, women are paid for sex. it will be done at a safe location with safe ppl and have medical insurance available. | ||
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Kahuna.
Canada196 Posts
On August 03 2011 19:31 acker wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 03 2011 18:54 Kahuna. wrote: Whether or not its "life changing" or "morally questionable" isn't a viewpoint... it's a fact. Going from being a college student working a 9-5 job to being a "sugar baby" is by definition a life changing moment (actually it's quite drastic life-changing moment) whether you think it is or not. The same goes for it being "morally questionable"... had I said it is "morally wrong" or "morally right", then your point would hold. On the contrary, it is a viewpoint. Some people will consider it morally questionable, others won't (from both sides). Whether or not it's morally right has absolutely nothing to do with my point, that considering it "morally questionable" is, in fact, your point of view. Much the same way it's "morally questionable" to some people to work at MacDonalds. On August 03 2011 18:54 Kahuna. wrote: The whole roofing/garbage pickup comparison is different because roofing and garbage pickup are widely accepted as legal jobs that a person can have. Here we're talking about students going to college and then deciding to become what many would consider prostitutes (engaging in potentially illegal work). Legal and illegal have absolutely nothing to do with your argument. You claimed prostitution to be hazardous and, therefore, demonstrably shortsighted for the collective. I listed alternative jobs that are definitely hazardous that you have not claimed shortsighted for the collective. And by the collective, I mean college students paying off their loans. If prostitution was legalized, would that render your judgment void? Would it suddenly become the equivalent of roofing and garbage pickup duties in your point of view? Is this, for some reason, ok in Nevada but nowhere else in the United States? On August 03 2011 18:54 Kahuna. wrote: Also, I find it interesting that you accuse me of the following: ...when you in fact are doing the same thing with statements like "people who can get into top colleges have a decent understanding of what the "long run" entails". To present this view of yours in your way, you're basically saying, "no one who gets into a top college would be bad at planning for the future, therefore everyone who gets into a top college is a good planner of their future". I attend one of the world's top institutions... UofT... but I know many students at the school who don't neccessarily have a decent understanding of what the "long run" entails and are stupid in many other ways as well. If you're going to harp on others about "broken" assumptions at least consider your own which are actually even more "broken". For example, it is probably a reasonable assumption to think that people who attend top colleges don't intend to become prostitutes. On the other hand, it is probably a very poor assumption to think that people who attend top colleges and get their degrees in useless fields (with no job prospects upon their graduation) have a good understanding of what the "long run" entails. In fact, their poor choice of academic degree/diploma is actually indicative of their inability to plan well for their future... and this poor planning eventually causes some of them to eventually become "sugar babies". Further argument is pointless though, since we're bound to disagree. But don't knit-pick about "broken" assumptions when yours are equally, if not more flawed. If you want to accuse me of the same problem...well, you're right; my two sentences are invalid. Your second paragraph is invalid. Unfortunately, it does not excuse your use of troll logic and failure of basic economics, both of which underlie the assumptions behind the first paragraph. I certainly don't attend a top university, but everyone on my dorm floor has a longer-term view than the idiots you've mentioned, even the philosophy major. What on earth is wrong with the University of Toronto? On August 03 2011 18:54 Kahuna. wrote: On the other hand, it is probably a very poor assumption to think that people who attend top colleges and get their degrees in useless fields (with no job prospects upon their graduation) have a good understanding of what the "long run" entails. In fact, their poor choice of academic degree/diploma is actually indicative of their inability to plan well for their future... and this poor planning eventually causes some of them to eventually become "sugar babies" I've got to comment on this, actually. If you're defining "useless field" as something that has no job prospects on graduation, almost every single profession currently has a jobs problem due to the recession. Poor choice of diploma, in normal times, would mean something. These aren't normal times. No one planned for the recession. And, quite frankly, if their degree was useless anyways, then the short view and long view solution is identical; your "planning for long-view" argument must rely on the fact that gains for a different long term solution have to be greater than gains in the short term, but unforeseeable for the worker in question. No comment; like I said, your arguments are just as invalid and we're bound to disagree. I'm glad you're convinced it is at least a "life-changing" moment. And, nothing is wrong with UofT... you just give college graduates too much credit and think that they're all living at a higher level of understanding of life than those who didn't attend college. And that opinion is not reflective of real life since people who haven't attended college can be just as successful and sometimes even better than college students at planning their future. Perhaps you aren't as critical/analytical of an observer of the personalities around you at your institution? And by the way, the site has been in business since 2006... when there was no recession... so there's proof that, college students (whom you put in very high regard), were making bad diploma choices then too (at a time when there were NO economic problems). On August 04 2011 04:20 dybydx wrote: we can just regulate prostitution, just like how porn movies are produced. in both cases, women are paid for sex. it will be done at a safe location with safe ppl and have medical insurance available. Hmm this is interesting because I never knew... Are porn stars actually given medical insurance by their employers? | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
On August 04 2011 06:04 Kahuna. wrote: Hmm this is interesting because I never knew... Are porn stars actually given medical insurance by their employers? depending on how you regulate it. for example, in Germany, prostitutes even get a pension plan. in exchange, a portion of their earning is taxed. maybe TLO can tell us more about this. but in general, employers are required provide a safe work environment. if the employees became ill/injured as direct result of unsafe work conditions, there is usually a good chance of lawsuit. | ||
headbus
Canada173 Posts
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Nimla
35 Posts
On August 03 2011 21:13 nEAnS wrote: For all you guys looking to pay your student loans: http://www.dateacougar.com/ Cha ching. How do we know who has more money? Older women usually right? But what's the age demographic to shoot for..hmm... | ||
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F1rstAssau1t
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AttackZerg
United States7465 Posts
On August 04 2011 07:02 Nimla wrote: Cha ching. How do we know who has more money? Older women usually right? But what's the age demographic to shoot for..hmm... LOL. I'm going to join and make a blog about my progress LOL! | ||
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
On August 04 2011 10:21 AttackZerg wrote: LOL. I'm going to join and make a blog about my progress LOL! please do :D Ahahahaha then there will be a flood of registrants if you're successful | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On August 04 2011 06:04 Kahuna. wrote: No comment; like I said, your arguments are just as invalid and we're bound to disagree. I'm glad you're convinced it is at least a "life-changing" moment. If moral attitudes are different between individuals, I thought you might have picked up that what people consider "life changing" would, consequently, also differ between individuals. You have yet to explain, if it's the legality that separates the job from roofing and garbage pickup, why you still would not consider college students paying off loans using sex in Nevada or Canada equivalent to college students paying off loans through other dangerous, high-paying jobs with low entry requirements. On August 04 2011 06:04 Kahuna. wrote: And, nothing is wrong with UofT... you just give college graduates too much credit and think that they're all living at a higher level of understanding of life than those who didn't attend college. And that opinion is not reflective of real life since people who haven't attended college can be just as successful and sometimes even better than college students at planning their future. Perhaps you aren't as critical/analytical of an observer of the personalities around you at your institution? I don't think so, it's a habit of mine to keep track of the competition and in this case, the competition is quite literally the floor, we were organized that way. And so far, the people I compete against aren't that different from me. In many cases, they're quite a bit smarter than I am. I wish that wasn't so but hey, that's life. Is everyone who goes through college as intelligent as everyone who doesn't? Of course not. Some idiots will survive four years. But I have yet to meet someone in college who holds the long term so...indifferently. I certainly haven't met anyone close to what you're describing, and obviously not at the frequency you're implying. An alternate explanation could be that you're predisposed to see your peers as inferiors, but that doesn't make much sense, either. On August 04 2011 06:04 Kahuna. wrote: And by the way, the site has been in business since 2006... when there was no recession... so there's proof that, college students (whom you put in very high regard), were making bad diploma choices then too (at a time when there were NO economic problems). I'm fairly sure you haven't read the article; college students mushroomed by over 350% on the site after the recession hit. Now, I'm not going to argue that all the girls aren't short sighted; there are idiots in almost every profession, not just prostitution. But even if you assume that every single college girl working at Seeking Arrangements before the recession was "short-sighted" and hold this as the baseline*, that leaves a ridiculous number of girls who...aren't. It certainly isn't true that you can collectively label them "short-sighted" as you repeatedly have. *Simply because, in times that aren't recessions, alternate jobs are somewhat easy to find and full employment happens. Normally. The current recession technically ended in 2009, but jobs are still difficult to find. The dot com bubble recession did have significant job drag, but let's assume it didn't and jobs were readily available just for simplicity. | ||
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BGB989
1 Post
www.whatsyourprice.com this seems really blatant... and lol @ the cougar site! | ||
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
On August 04 2011 11:13 BGB989 wrote: wow I just found this, www.whatsyourprice.com this seems really blatant... and lol @ the cougar site! oh wow that kind of cheapens (or rather sets a price lol) the relationship. | ||
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Kahuna.
Canada196 Posts
On August 04 2011 06:30 dybydx wrote: depending on how you regulate it. for example, in Germany, prostitutes even get a pension plan. in exchange, a portion of their earning is taxed. maybe TLO can tell us more about this. but in general, employers are required provide a safe work environment. if the employees became ill/injured as direct result of unsafe work conditions, there is usually a good chance of lawsuit. I see. This is curious... So, do the employers of porn stars promise to their employees that they won't get STDs if they have unsafe sex (e.g. without condoms), as is common in pornos? And, if porn stars do get STDs during their work, can they sue the company for it? Or, does the employer let the porn star know that one potential risk that they have to accept while engaging in the work is the transfer of STDs? ------------------------------------------------------- On August 04 2011 11:06 acker wrote: You have yet to explain, if it's the legality that separates the job from roofing and garbage pickup, why you still would not consider college students paying off loans using sex in Nevada or Canada equivalent to college students paying off loans through other dangerous, high-paying jobs with low entry requirements. This is pretty simple. The roofing and garbage pickup work doesn't carry all the other negative baggage/potential guilt/eventual lack of self-esteem (the list goes on) that being a "sugar baby" would entail. Read the article if you need examples of the baggage/guilt these women carry. So even if the jobs are equally dangerous... they are still not equivalent in other ways (this includes the potential illegality of being a "sugar baby"). There's the explanation you're seeking. And yeh, you might not agree, since you have a bunch of other questionable assumptions and views based on your responses in this thread. I'm fairly sure you haven't read the article; college students mushroomed by over 350% on the site after the recession hit. I'm actually positive that I have read the article, so the first portion of your statement is incorrect. As for the latter part, again this is really quite simple. It just means that the college students who are slightly less "short-sighted" than the ones who had joined prior to the recession decided that it was now time to join the party. | ||
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Skew
United States1019 Posts
On August 03 2011 21:13 nEAnS wrote: For all you guys looking to pay your student loans: http://www.dateacougar.com/ WISH ME LUCK | ||
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Alay
United States660 Posts
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Nagano
United States1157 Posts
On August 04 2011 06:30 dybydx wrote: depending on how you regulate it. for example, in Germany, prostitutes even get a pension plan. in exchange, a portion of their earning is taxed. maybe TLO can tell us more about this Lol, that made me laugh | ||
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wongfeihung
United States763 Posts
On August 03 2011 21:13 nEAnS wrote: For all you guys looking to pay your student loans: http://www.dateacougar.com/ What the heck?! There are girls in their 20's on that site. | ||
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