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stokes17
United States1411 Posts
On October 07 2011 00:29 Mohdoo wrote: Present Status: The device is in self sustain mode. Since at least 13:32 GMT, October 6 http://peswiki.com/index.php/News:Real-Time_Updates_on_the_October_6,_2011_E-Cat_Test link wont load for me  So what does self sustain mode mean? Does it work? | ||
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Soleron
United Kingdom1324 Posts
On October 07 2011 00:31 stokes17 wrote: link wont load for me So what does self sustain mode mean? Does it work? No because that is not a reputable source. Assume it is a scam until we see independent confirmation, and by that I mean a demo not in any way run by him, his shell companies, or dead people he's made up. | ||
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Traeon
Austria366 Posts
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MiraMax
Germany532 Posts
On October 05 2011 10:39 radscorpion9 wrote: ...but if they could avoid it, wouldn't they try to do so? If they had a near monopoly on one of the only viable sources of energy ready for mass consumption...wouldn't they try to prevent any new wonder technology from threatening that dominance, and those kinds of profits? Another reason why they would be against this technology is because its not localized to one oil field that can be controlled by X company. Energy can now be created via a simple nickel hydrogen reaction, anywhere in the world, on demand. So the playing field is now even, and in a place where most of the infrastructure that the oil and gas companies have built up is becoming obsolete. So all in all...you have to admit, they would probably want to maintain their hold on the energy sector. Also your point about him getting killed and becoming a martyr...well more likely, he will have an "accident" and people who believe it was a hit job will be written off as crazed conspiracy theorists. Why wouldn't they? Because they would only send out hitmen to prevent the new "wonder technology" from revolutionizing the energy sector in a world thought up by a pubertarian mind in which the "oil and gas companies" are run by some malicious group of criminal masterminds, instead of being for the most part utterly boring companies with a top management which mainly employs old men who work a 70+ hour week and have no problems changing to the next job if the conditions are right. But think about it: in this fictitious world the steel industry being one of the most energy intensive businesses in the world would have a huge incentive to foil the plans of the "oil and gas hitmen" and would have long begun sending out counteragents protecting the inventors in the world who research on new energy sources. Due to their close ties to arms manufacturers and gorvernments those "steel men", as I would like to call them, would certainly have no problems fending off the attacks of either oil or gas hitmen... Anyway, let's first see what the test results say about the actual validity of Rossi's claims, before discussing these scenarios any further. | ||
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Traeon
Austria366 Posts
The question is whether this is true self-sustaining mode or the semi self-sustaining mode in which the unit requires 10 minutes of input per every 30 minutes of operation. Source (in Italian) | ||
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Traeon
Austria366 Posts
The question is whether this is true self-sustaining mode or the semi self-sustaining mode in which the unit requires 10 minutes of input per every 30 minutes of operation. Apparently Daniele Passerini has been asked the same question. His answer: The self-sustaining mode is continuous without interruption. Rossi has also announced that at the end of the test, the module will be opened and all parts measured. He also mentions that the exit tube of the e-cat is too hot to keep a finger on - like a coffee machine on a stove. Source (in Italian) | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15726 Posts
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KwarK
United States43448 Posts
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Traeon
Austria366 Posts
On October 07 2011 02:21 KwarK wrote: With cheap electricity you could just convert cars to liquid hydrogen cells and continue life as before. The exhaust is water and you can pump it at gas stations the way we're used to. Yea this is more likely than steam powered cars  It should also be possible to convert at least part of existing nuclear plants to LENR. The old irradiated reactor chamber can be sealed and the steam circuit be connected to the Ni-H LENR reactor instead. | ||
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
On October 07 2011 01:00 MiraMax wrote: Why wouldn't they? Because they would only send out hitmen to prevent the new "wonder technology" from revolutionizing the energy sector in a world thought up by a pubertarian mind in which the "oil and gas companies" are run by some malicious group of criminal masterminds, instead of being for the most part utterly boring companies with a top management which mainly employs old men who work a 70+ hour week and have no problems changing to the next job if the conditions are right. But think about it: in this fictitious world the steel industry being one of the most energy intensive businesses in the world would have a huge incentive to foil the plans of the "oil and gas hitmen" and would have long begun sending out counteragents protecting the inventors in the world who research on new energy sources. Due to their close ties to arms manufacturers and gorvernments those "steel men", as I would like to call them, would certainly have no problems fending off the attacks of either oil or gas hitmen... Anyway, let's first see what the test results say about the actual validity of Rossi's claims, before discussing these scenarios any further. Well just as a closing comment then, I would like to say that I'm not saying by "prevent" that they would necessarily try to hire a hit man to take down this person in an elaborate conspiracy. There are far simpler ways to discredit ideas or people who threaten profits, and there are examples of instances where this has occurred in the past. I'm not super informed about this, but there is obviously a fossil fuels lobby working in the United States that tries to push their agendas forward. I understand that its unlikely they would resort to the type of extremism where they try to control the world by assassinating people and what not, but I think it would be delusional to say that they have no affect on policy making decisions. Just reading this wiki page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial), they go into some detail about how climate change denial can be compared to how the tobacco industry tried to undermine evidence that related to the dangers of second hand smoking. Many authors have spoken on this issue...and I think that's why we see so much confusion in the public arena, and so much passivity in our politicians, on an issue as serious as climate change. That's why I would think, if there really was a wonder technology that would largely eliminate the need for oil and gas companies, they would *probably* try to fight against it as well. I didn't go into detail as to *how* this would happen, you seem to believe that I am supporting an elaborate conspiracy, but I did not say anything like that. But I think the oil and gas industry is large enough, and makes enough money, that it shouldn't be simplified to some caricature of a few old people who are tired of working. Anyways I agree..back to the topic at hand. | ||
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whatthefat
United States918 Posts
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Thorakh
Netherlands1788 Posts
On October 07 2011 02:21 KwarK wrote: Cheap energy would also mean bye bye clean water problems (desalination plants), no?With cheap electricity you could just convert cars to liquid hydrogen cells and continue life as before. The exhaust is water and you can pump it at gas stations the way we're used to. | ||
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Marradron
Netherlands1586 Posts
On October 07 2011 03:06 Thorakh wrote: Cheap energy would also mean bye bye clean water problems (desalination plants), no? Though cheap energy would solve some problem it can also create new. Free energy might result in a fight for all other resources like neodynium, gold and other materials. I'm still hoping for this to be true, but I'm still a little bit sceptical | ||
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InvictusRage
United States230 Posts
On October 07 2011 03:35 Marradron wrote: Though cheap energy would solve some problem it can also create new. Free energy might result in a fight for all other resources like neodynium, gold and other materials. I'm still hoping for this to be true, but I'm still a little bit sceptical I think if we get cheap energy, I'm willing to risk the drawbacks. | ||
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Marradron
Netherlands1586 Posts
On October 07 2011 05:54 InvictusRage wrote: I think if we get cheap energy, I'm willing to risk the drawbacks. Just saying with free/cheap energy we can really start depleting the earth. | ||
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SnipedSoul
Canada2158 Posts
On October 07 2011 05:59 Marradron wrote: Just saying with free/cheap energy we can really start depleting the earth. Free energy makes it way easier/more feasible to recycle lots of stuff. Granted, there are some thing that can't be recycled like tires, but energy costs are a huge part of recycling metal. | ||
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Chewits
Northern Ireland1200 Posts
![[image loading]](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qyzCvwVP5eI/To4SlE-x9LI/AAAAAAAAAmQ/pBAAKGrxlPM/s1240/pseudoscepsticks-7-final.jpg) Awaiting a flurry of information on this today | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
On October 07 2011 05:59 Marradron wrote: Just saying with free/cheap energy we can really start depleting the earth. The only way to deplete Earth is to somehow ship everything into space. So I'm not too worried. | ||
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meltdown
Sweden40 Posts
Nyteknik's article about yesterday's test. | ||
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Traeon
Austria366 Posts
Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers are actively investing in Greentech innovation and entrepreneurs. Scientists agree the number one trend on the planet is urbanization, as four billion people move from rural to urban living in the next 50 years: they all want and need clean water, clean power and clean transportation. At the same time we face climate crisis. Atmospheric CO2 levels are at an all-time high, with accelerating growth. We are addicted to increasingly expensive oil. Scientific breakthroughs in biology and materials technology mean there’s never been a better time to start and grow a great green venture. Greentech could be the largest economic opportunity of the 21st century. It is an unprecedented challenge that demands great innovation, speed and scale. Sounds like they would be interested in this. Or maybe it's just a joke - e-cat.com was redirecting to Exxon Mobile just a few weeks ago... | ||
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