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Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
October 16 2014 08:15 GMT
#1001
Lockheed Martin? It would be a sight to see if an arms manufacturer responsible for death and destruction suddenly propels mankind forward by a huge leap.
Nacl(Draq)
Profile Joined February 2011
United States302 Posts
October 16 2014 08:50 GMT
#1002
On October 16 2014 17:15 Scorch wrote:
Lockheed Martin? It would be a sight to see if an arms manufacturer responsible for death and destruction suddenly propels mankind forward by a huge leap.


It's energy, every arms manufacturer wants easy energy so they can produce more powerful weapons.
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
October 16 2014 09:44 GMT
#1003
Aren't they financially huge? Why do they need investors for the reactor? They should have more than enough money for that.

Just patent your super-secret, super-efficient invention and build that reactor. Sell energy and make money! Sorry, I call BS here too. It's funny how fusion is always ten years away in the near future.
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shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
October 16 2014 09:57 GMT
#1004
On October 16 2014 18:44 arbiter_md wrote:
Aren't they financially huge? Why do they need investors for the reactor? They should have more than enough money for that.

Just patent your super-secret, super-efficient invention and build that reactor. Sell energy and make money! Sorry, I call BS here too. It's funny how fusion is always ten years away in the near future.


You make up some questions that you don't know the answers and suddendly they are liars?

i say you are BS
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
October 16 2014 10:04 GMT
#1005
On October 16 2014 08:48 BlackJack wrote:
saw this today, not sure if it's relevant. Seems like just a more compact version of what we have already have whereas Rossi is saying his energy is coming from a different process altogether, right?
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/lockheed-claims-breakthrough-on-fusion-energy/

From what I understand about physics, this is fundamentally different from Rossi's claims. Rossi's thing seems to be tied up in some 'efficient' Nickle reactions i.e. LERN whereas the description of this thing seems like they are replicating the reactions done on the sun using a strong magnetic field to contain the reaction i.e. a Hydrogen-Helium type fusion reaction i.e. what we already know.
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scFoX
Profile Joined September 2011
France454 Posts
October 16 2014 10:47 GMT
#1006
On October 16 2014 19:04 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 08:48 BlackJack wrote:
saw this today, not sure if it's relevant. Seems like just a more compact version of what we have already have whereas Rossi is saying his energy is coming from a different process altogether, right?
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/lockheed-claims-breakthrough-on-fusion-energy/

From what I understand about physics, this is fundamentally different from Rossi's claims. Rossi's thing seems to be tied up in some 'efficient' Nickle reactions i.e. LERN whereas the description of this thing seems like they are replicating the reactions done on the sun using a strong magnetic field to contain the reaction i.e. a Hydrogen-Helium type fusion reaction i.e. what we already know.


That may be, but as a fusion plasma physicist I'd love to know what they found that supposedly would trump decades of research in magnetic confinement fusion. "Compact fusion reactor" sounds too good to be true, especially since confinement improves with machine size. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's intriguing to say the least. Then again, perhaps they're not using deuterium-tritium fusion. Helium 3 fusion, while harder to get going, is easier to contain for example (relatively of course; fusion plasmas are rife with turbulence, making it annoying to keep it in one place).

Oh well. The easiest way to get fusion would be using a fission-fusion reactor anyway, like an H-bomb, but there's no way public acceptance of this kind of project is ever going to happen given the average opinion on nuclear energy in general.
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-16 13:51:44
October 16 2014 13:49 GMT
#1007
There is not a lot of information around about the Lockheed concept, but they are working with D-T fuel:

http://www.fusenet.eu/node/400

Some of the properties:

- A self-tuning feedback mechanism whereby the magnetic field increases the farther out that the plasma goes
- Novel magnetic field configuration that has very few open field lines compared to tokamak design
- Very "good arch curvature" of the field lines
- The system has a beta of about 1
- System is working with D-T fuel
scFoX
Profile Joined September 2011
France454 Posts
October 16 2014 14:31 GMT
#1008
Hrm. Looking at the picture, the magnetic field configuration looks rather weird. I don't quite understand what they mean by "good arch curvature" of the field line, but a beta of 1 (which is the ratio of plasma pressure to magnetic pressure) makes me think this is a bastard child of a spherical torus. Eh, why not.

As the link says, though, they didn't address issues like the capture of the 14 MeV neutrons in such a small reactor. Tritium should also be handled with care as even though its lifetime is only about 12 years, it is a radioactive substance. No nuclear-powered trucks, I'm afraid.
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
October 16 2014 15:00 GMT
#1009
On October 12 2014 17:00 Integra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2014 14:41 ElMeanYo wrote:
"Power output of potential cold fusion reactor baffles scientists"

However, Rossi’s experiment has been verified by six international scientists with expertise in energy who have said they are struggling to understand how the mini-reactor can produce “far more [energy] than can be obtained from any known chemical sources in the small reactor volume.”

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/clean-tech/item/38698-power-output-of-potential-c

A more skeptical report:

http://www.science20.com/a_quantum_diaries_survivor/cold_fusion_a_better_study_on_the_infamous_ecat-146700

I'll give this to Rossi. He's a genius. Either hes managed the invention of the century or hes managed to fool a LOT of smart people.


Rossi spent 4 years in prison and the Italian government had to cash out with forty million euros to dispose of the 70,000 tonnes of toxic waste that Rossi had improperly dumped around the site of Petroldragon.



I find this part of the story fascinating. I can just see him sitting in a pub with his friends brainstorming about what to do next now that he's out of prison. Just imagine the look on their faces when he mentioned he would build a cold fusion reactor.
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ElMeanYo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1032 Posts
October 16 2014 15:09 GMT
#1010
On October 16 2014 19:47 scFoX wrote:
That may be, but as a fusion plasma physicist I'd love to know what they found that supposedly would trump decades of research in magnetic confinement fusion. "Compact fusion reactor" sounds too good to be true, especially since confinement improves with machine size. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's intriguing to say the least. Then again, perhaps they're not using deuterium-tritium fusion. Helium 3 fusion, while harder to get going, is easier to contain for example (relatively of course; fusion plasmas are rife with turbulence, making it annoying to keep it in one place).
general.


Has LM really beaten ITER to the punch with magnetic confinement? I doubt it. It's likely not hot fusion but some form of LENR. Many have been researching LENR besides Rossi, though this has already been mentioned already many times in this thread. With LM's resources they have probably found a practical way to get LENR working... although they did give a '10 year' timeframe.
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ElMeanYo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1032 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-16 15:31:04
October 16 2014 15:29 GMT
#1011
On October 16 2014 17:50 Nacl(Draq) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 17:15 Scorch wrote:
Lockheed Martin? It would be a sight to see if an arms manufacturer responsible for death and destruction suddenly propels mankind forward by a huge leap.


It's energy, every arms manufacturer wants easy energy so they can produce more powerful weapons.


Very often military research and development has provided inventions that greatly benefit mankind. The internet that you are using right now was kick-started by the US Department of Defense (look up ARPANET). Computers themselves started with the US Military's ENIAC. In fact the world owes a lot to the inventions of the US military in the 1940's and 50's. Even the atomic bomb has been used to keep the peace since WW2 (Mutually Assured Destruction).

“The only man who never makes mistakes is the man who never does anything.” ― Theodore Roosevelt
scFoX
Profile Joined September 2011
France454 Posts
October 17 2014 07:22 GMT
#1012
On October 17 2014 00:09 ElMeanYo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 19:47 scFoX wrote:
That may be, but as a fusion plasma physicist I'd love to know what they found that supposedly would trump decades of research in magnetic confinement fusion. "Compact fusion reactor" sounds too good to be true, especially since confinement improves with machine size. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's intriguing to say the least. Then again, perhaps they're not using deuterium-tritium fusion. Helium 3 fusion, while harder to get going, is easier to contain for example (relatively of course; fusion plasmas are rife with turbulence, making it annoying to keep it in one place).
general.


Has LM really beaten ITER to the punch with magnetic confinement? I doubt it. It's likely not hot fusion but some form of LENR. Many have been researching LENR besides Rossi, though this has already been mentioned already many times in this thread. With LM's resources they have probably found a practical way to get LENR working... although they did give a '10 year' timeframe.


This is unlikely (that LM's claim is LENR). The machine looks a lot like a classical magnetic confinement device, but it's very likely that they're overselling their stuff. Hell, ITER's been overselling for years and at least they have documented progress. Wait and see.
woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
August 30 2016 02:40 GMT
#1013
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a20454/in-cold-fusion-20-whos-scamming-whom/

Rossi struck a deal with a U.S. company, Industrial Heat, to carry out a yearlong secret test of a one-megawatt cold fusion device. The installation is a shipping container packed with dozens of E-Cats. The experiment was to be overseen by a third-party "referee" to confirm it really was generating heat. Rossi claims to have spent most of the last year virtually living in the container, overseeing operations for 16 hours a day or more, to prove the E-Cat was commercially viable. The test concluded in March. Rossi supporters eagerly awaited the release of the referee's report, hoping for a vindication of their hero. What they got was a major lawsuit.

In his submission to a Florida court, Rossi claims the test was a success, and that the referee confirmed the E-Cat reactor consistently produced six times as much energy as it took in. He also claims Industrial Heat agreed to pay him $100 million—$11.5 million upfront after a 24-hour test (supposedly for licensing rights so they would be able to sell the technology, but only in the U.S.), with another $89 million due on the successful completion of the 350-day extended test. Rossi charges that IH but won't pay up because it has a "fraudulent scheme" to steal his intellectual property. Rossi also alleges that IH and the related defendants "have misappropriated the E-Cat IP; illegally copied Rossi's innovative technology and products, features, designs; and, have wrongfully attempted to obtain a patent for Rossi and Leonardo's ...

Industrial Heat rejects these claims as being without merit, adding that the company will vigorously fight the legal action. More significantly, it claims to have "worked for over three years to substantiate the results claimed by Mr. Rossi from the E-Cat technology—all without success."


Almost two years and here's where we are at. Who is scamming who lol.
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-30 06:41:08
August 30 2016 04:42 GMT
#1014
Nothing but an eternity of Malebolge await these fraudsters.
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
September 07 2016 16:51 GMT
#1015
I never actually thougth the partnership between Rossi and Industrial Heat actually would produce any sort of result, guess I was wrong since it actually gave something.... a lawsuit
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MarkCPhillips
Profile Joined December 2016
1 Post
December 05 2016 06:09 GMT
#1016
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Arevall
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1133 Posts
December 05 2016 10:04 GMT
#1017
Well. After 5 years this story isn't making me sad humanity anymore.
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