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On October 12 2014 00:30 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 22:52 Cascade wrote:On October 11 2014 19:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On October 11 2014 19:39 gruff wrote:On October 11 2014 19:12 Cascade wrote:
"Known conman finds incredibly valuable physics mechanism before the physics researchers."
Sounds plausible.:-P He may be a fraud and a person that's willing to lie and promote himself for self gain. That doesn't mean he doesn't understand physics and energy technology. Don't get me wrong, his past makes this highly suspicious, but I would prefer if people actually tried to counter what's being shown instead of using strawman arguments to dismiss everything that's posted. Everything about this points to it being a con. That being said, I would also rather wait until a physicist proves it. Strictly speaking, no, we can't judge until tested over and over and scientific principle and repeatable blahblah and more buzzwords and yada yada. But do you say that everytime someone claims to have photos of UFOs? Or fairies? At some point you have to say that it is not worth the time to look at the details. I honestly feel that the reasonable choice here is to dismiss without reading a 50 page .pdf of crap. Just posting here is more than I should have done already. Actually the scientific method is what created our scientifically advanced civilization, but if you want to blah blah blah then go ahead.
Actually it was the other way around, its because our way of life and the need to create a civilization which basically forced us to come up with ways to organize and deal with all the complexity that emerged from it and one way was to look at all this "scientifically" The need came first, the solution, namely "Science", came afterwards.
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like every 6 months this thread gets up. guess its time again
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On October 12 2014 01:10 75 wrote:
like every 6 months this thread gets up. guess its time again
well, seeing as the nobel committee clearly conspired to deny rossi a prize for this brilliant work, how could the thread not be back up
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On October 11 2014 22:24 phil.ipp wrote:
everyone believing there is a conspiracy going on from some energy companys .. dont be ridiculous
if the US Military or some other countrys would get only the slightest hint that there would be an alternative to oil, they would fucking jump on this thing faster than you could say conspiracy.
I think the issue is that potentially inexpensive energy completely resets the current power structure. Although, I think skepticism is the only healthy position.
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I like this thread, its pretty much the Nada's body of cold fusion.
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On October 12 2014 00:10 Mafe wrote:
Why do some people assume scientists (physicists here) have to disprove any claim of a great discovery by someone who refuses to play by the common scientific rules (From what I understand)? Just because this particular case gets some attention in media?
I work at a university, and (even though it's not that bad here) I've heard stories from a professor who at his former university got loads of "results" from people who claimed to have proven the Riemann hypothesis, the Goldbach conjecture or something like that. Understandably, he has better things to do than waste his time reading through all that.
To me, this seems to be more of dont-feed-the-troll scenario in reallife.
We all know Big Oil paid you to say that.
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On October 12 2014 00:10 Mafe wrote:
Why do some people assume scientists (physicists here) have to disprove any claim of a great discovery by someone who refuses to play by the common scientific rules (From what I understand)? Just because this particular case gets some attention in media?
I work at a university, and (even though it's not that bad here) I've heard stories from a professor who at his former university got loads of "results" from people who claimed to have proven the Riemann hypothesis, the Goldbach conjecture or something like that. Understandably, he has better things to do than waste his time reading through all that.
To me, this seems to be more of dont-feed-the-troll scenario in reallife.
Yes. When I did my particle physics PhD, I got about an email a week from someone that had found a theory of everything. :p
On October 12 2014 00:30 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2014 22:52 Cascade wrote:On October 11 2014 19:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On October 11 2014 19:39 gruff wrote:On October 11 2014 19:12 Cascade wrote:
"Known conman finds incredibly valuable physics mechanism before the physics researchers."
Sounds plausible.:-P He may be a fraud and a person that's willing to lie and promote himself for self gain. That doesn't mean he doesn't understand physics and energy technology. Don't get me wrong, his past makes this highly suspicious, but I would prefer if people actually tried to counter what's being shown instead of using strawman arguments to dismiss everything that's posted. Everything about this points to it being a con. That being said, I would also rather wait until a physicist proves it. Strictly speaking, no, we can't judge until tested over and over and scientific principle and repeatable blahblah and more buzzwords and yada yada. But do you say that everytime someone claims to have photos of UFOs? Or fairies? At some point you have to say that it is not worth the time to look at the details. I honestly feel that the reasonable choice here is to dismiss without reading a 50 page .pdf of crap. Just posting here is more than I should have done already. Actually the scientific method is what created our scientifically advanced civilization, but if you want to blah blah blah then go ahead.
You need to know where buzzwords end, and common sense starts. everything has a limit range where it applies, and I feel Rossi is well outside the range of the "we shouldn't make up our minds until tested 57 times" principle.
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Man this is disappointing. Here I was hoping this guy was the real deal and we'd be living in a beautiful new world...10 years later?? Nothing happens, except the TL Rossi's Energy Catalyzer thread gets bumped again
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On October 12 2014 06:43 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 00:30 Jockmcplop wrote:On October 11 2014 22:52 Cascade wrote:On October 11 2014 19:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On October 11 2014 19:39 gruff wrote:On October 11 2014 19:12 Cascade wrote:
"Known conman finds incredibly valuable physics mechanism before the physics researchers."
Sounds plausible.:-P He may be a fraud and a person that's willing to lie and promote himself for self gain. That doesn't mean he doesn't understand physics and energy technology. Don't get me wrong, his past makes this highly suspicious, but I would prefer if people actually tried to counter what's being shown instead of using strawman arguments to dismiss everything that's posted. Everything about this points to it being a con. That being said, I would also rather wait until a physicist proves it. Strictly speaking, no, we can't judge until tested over and over and scientific principle and repeatable blahblah and more buzzwords and yada yada. But do you say that everytime someone claims to have photos of UFOs? Or fairies? At some point you have to say that it is not worth the time to look at the details. I honestly feel that the reasonable choice here is to dismiss without reading a 50 page .pdf of crap. Just posting here is more than I should have done already. Actually the scientific method is what created our scientifically advanced civilization, but if you want to blah blah blah then go ahead. You need to know where buzzwords end, and common sense starts. everything has a limit range where it applies, and I feel Rossi is well outside the range of the "we shouldn't make up our minds until tested 57 times" principle.
Correct, but now there is a scientific paper with some names of people who have careers attached to it. I'm not saying we need to test it 57 times, but if someone would take the time to look into the validity of the paper it would probably help clear matters up.
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On October 12 2014 01:56 Antisocialmunky wrote:
I like this thread, its pretty much the Nada's body of cold fusion. But with less pics, sadly.
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On October 12 2014 07:14 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 06:43 Cascade wrote:On October 12 2014 00:30 Jockmcplop wrote:On October 11 2014 22:52 Cascade wrote:On October 11 2014 19:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On October 11 2014 19:39 gruff wrote:On October 11 2014 19:12 Cascade wrote:
"Known conman finds incredibly valuable physics mechanism before the physics researchers."
Sounds plausible.:-P He may be a fraud and a person that's willing to lie and promote himself for self gain. That doesn't mean he doesn't understand physics and energy technology. Don't get me wrong, his past makes this highly suspicious, but I would prefer if people actually tried to counter what's being shown instead of using strawman arguments to dismiss everything that's posted. Everything about this points to it being a con. That being said, I would also rather wait until a physicist proves it. Strictly speaking, no, we can't judge until tested over and over and scientific principle and repeatable blahblah and more buzzwords and yada yada. But do you say that everytime someone claims to have photos of UFOs? Or fairies? At some point you have to say that it is not worth the time to look at the details. I honestly feel that the reasonable choice here is to dismiss without reading a 50 page .pdf of crap. Just posting here is more than I should have done already. Actually the scientific method is what created our scientifically advanced civilization, but if you want to blah blah blah then go ahead. You need to know where buzzwords end, and common sense starts. everything has a limit range where it applies, and I feel Rossi is well outside the range of the "we shouldn't make up our minds until tested 57 times" principle. Correct, but now there is a scientific paper with some names of people who have careers attached to it. I'm not saying we need to test it 57 times, but if someone would take the time to look into the validity of the paper it would probably help clear matters up.
That's not a scientific paper. I've read scientific papers, and this is just a jargon filled, fancy sounding, nand needlessly long product spec sheet.
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On October 12 2014 07:14 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 06:43 Cascade wrote:On October 12 2014 00:30 Jockmcplop wrote:On October 11 2014 22:52 Cascade wrote:On October 11 2014 19:41 Jockmcplop wrote:On October 11 2014 19:39 gruff wrote:On October 11 2014 19:12 Cascade wrote:
"Known conman finds incredibly valuable physics mechanism before the physics researchers."
Sounds plausible.:-P He may be a fraud and a person that's willing to lie and promote himself for self gain. That doesn't mean he doesn't understand physics and energy technology. Don't get me wrong, his past makes this highly suspicious, but I would prefer if people actually tried to counter what's being shown instead of using strawman arguments to dismiss everything that's posted. Everything about this points to it being a con. That being said, I would also rather wait until a physicist proves it. Strictly speaking, no, we can't judge until tested over and over and scientific principle and repeatable blahblah and more buzzwords and yada yada. But do you say that everytime someone claims to have photos of UFOs? Or fairies? At some point you have to say that it is not worth the time to look at the details. I honestly feel that the reasonable choice here is to dismiss without reading a 50 page .pdf of crap. Just posting here is more than I should have done already. Actually the scientific method is what created our scientifically advanced civilization, but if you want to blah blah blah then go ahead. You need to know where buzzwords end, and common sense starts. everything has a limit range where it applies, and I feel Rossi is well outside the range of the "we shouldn't make up our minds until tested 57 times" principle. Correct, but now there is a scientific paper with some names of people who have careers attached to it. I'm not saying we need to test it 57 times, but if someone would take the time to look into the validity of the paper it would probably help clear matters up.
Matters have been clear since day 1 imo.
I'd be curious to hear what a knowledgeable person would say about it after reading the 50 page pdf, but it is no more than the curiosity of finding out in which sleeve the magician was hiding the dove.
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Ah! I remember this lol. What an Internet classic. I've read far too much of it though...
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He fooled the entire Italian Government along with the entire Italian scientific establishment back in 1978 when he claimed to have found a way to turn toxic waste into usable oil, so they allowed him to found his own company called Petroldragon.
Rossi kept doing his "oil creation" by accepting waste in exchange for money till the year 1990 when people started to wonder where all the godamn oil was that Rossi was suppose to have created. When they examined the company site in question they found that Rossi had dumped all the waste for storage/hiding and no real sign of any real oil creation was to be seen, nor could Rossi explain how the process was done in fear of his technology being stolen.
Rossi spent 4 years in prison and the Italian government had to cash out with forty million euros to dispose of the 70,000 tonnes of toxic waste that Rossi had improperly dumped around the site of Petroldragon.
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They want to fund more research and tests. The results they have measured are good, they want to know how it works and if it is possible to use in wide spread energy generation. They seem to want to do that as part of analysing other LENR research as well.
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I like this argument from that link:
A total of 1.5MW Hours over 32 days = just under 2kilowatt hours continuous for the 768 hours in 32 days.
Or about one wall socket.
Bet it's plugged into the wall.
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EPT
