Rossi's energy catalyzer - Page 11

On September 14 2011 22:52 stokes17 wrote:
IIRC he has patents secured in pretty much every country. And has conducted black box demonstrations where top physicists say only cold fusion could create such an energy output for the size of the box.

On September 14 2011 23:34 imallinson wrote:
Also note this was after being rejected by other more reputable journals.

On September 14 2011 23:34 imallinson wrote:Again this is quite strange because it's far from the normal way you try to get funding from scientific institutes which makes me wonder who exactly they are trying to get funding from.

Again this is quite strange because it's far from the normal way you try to get funding from scientific institutes which makes me wonder who exactly they are trying to get funding from.

On September 14 2011 23:51 Traeon wrote:


He isn't a scientist trying to get funding. He is an engineer trying to make a product. He already has the money for it, there is also a buyer apparently. From what we can see, the 1 MW plant looks nearly finished. So he is on track. The question is just if the product will do as claimed.

On September 14 2011 23:34 imallinson wrote:
Have they actually published a paper on this yet because the only thing I could find from googling this was the original "paper" they published in this online journal. I thought it was a bit fishy when it was announced a few months ago and snooping around the website it turns out some of the advisors for the paper are Prof. Sergio Focardi and Prof. Pierluca Rossi i.e. the people who have done the "research" so I'm not inclined to call this reputable. Also note this was after being rejected by other more reputable journals.

So scientifically at least it has failed to stand up to the normal rigours of peer review. As for the demonstrations they are completely black box and there seems to have been absolutely no explanation of how they are working. This itself is fairly suspicious, especially given they had patent applications and seems to be a drive from them to fund further research. Again this is quite strange because it's far from the normal way you try to get funding from scientific institutes which makes me wonder who exactly they are trying to get funding from.


From what I've found the only patent he has actually managed to secure was an Italian one. And this was apparently (source is in Italian so I can't confirm) before stricter patent laws were enforced.

Overall it looks like yet another person touting cold fusion with no good evidence to back it up and asking for money so they can "continue their research" which is an often used tactic from people peddling free energy scams.

On September 14 2011 23:22 arbitrageur wrote:


You tried to invalidate a comment that you perceived to be stupid with something that, imo, is stupid.

The claim: "if it was real he'd be dead".
Your counter-claim to refute this: "It'd be energy companies that would profit most from it."

Some may profit hugely, others will collapse, which invalidates your counter argument entirely.

Another counter-claim you made: "You still need oil and gas for various things."

This is true but you said it in an attempt to invalidate the claim you quoted yet it does no such thing. You'd need much less if Rossi's claims are true, which means a huge deterioration in profits of the major oil companies.

The real reason why the person you quoted made a boo-boo is because it matters not whether it is real or not. The energy companies possess the same information that we do: the invention being real or not does not increase or decrease the probability that he will be murdered.

On September 17 2011 00:39 Grumbels wrote:
Secondly, if he gets killed for his invention all will happen is a huge surge of new research into cold fusion, they know that if the possibility exists they can't stop it in the end.

J. William Moore: I’d like to [look at] some of the [energy alternatives] that you think look most promising from your perspective.

Dennis Bushnell: The most interesting, and promising, at this point, in the farther term, but maybe not so far, is low-energy nuclear reactions. This has come out of [22] years of people producing energy but not knowing what it is — and we think we have a theory on it. It’s producing beta decay and heat without radiation. The research on this is very promising and it alone, if it comes to pass, would literally solve both [the] climate and energy [problems.]

MOORE: I find it extremely exciting that there might be something here, so what is it that you think is going on at the atomic level here?

BUSHNELL: Let me back up a little. [Stanley] Pons and [Martin] Fleischmann came out with an experiment that they labeled “cold fusion” about 22 years ago which had replication issues at the time. Also, all of the fusion theorists came out and said absolutely “This is not fusion.” And, of course, they were exactly correct, this is not fusion.

They’ve gone through 20 years of massive experimentation worldwide, in almost every country, where they’ve been able to produce this effect. But all of the energy produced by these “cold fusion” experiments over the last 22 years didn’t produce enough heat to boil water for tea. So people didn’t get too interested in it and nobody knew what it was.

Back in 2005, 2006, [Allen] Widom [and Lewis] Larsen came out with a theory that said, no it’s not “cold fusion,” it’s weak interactions using the Standard Model of quantum mechanics, only the weak interaction part. It says that if you set up one of the cells, and you don’t have to use deuterium, hydrogen works fine, nickel works fine and you don’t need palladium.

If you set this up you produce an electron – proton connection producing ultra-weak neutrons and if you have the right targets out there you produce beta-decay which produces heat.

At that point, in 2006, 2007 we became interested and started setting up a set of experiments that we’re just about ready to start finally, where we’re trying to experimentally validate this Widom-Larsen theory to find out whether or not it explains what’s going on. And in the process, we used quantum theory to optimize the particular surface morphologies to do this.

Then, as you mentioned, in January of this year [Andrea] Rossi, backed by [Sergio] Focardi, who had been working on this for many years, and in fact doing some of the best work worldwide, came out and did a demonstration first in January, they re-did it in February, re-did it in March, where for days they had one of these cells, a small cell, producing in the 10 to 15 kW range which is far more than enough to boil water for tea. And they say this is weak interaction, it’s not fusion.

So I think were almost over the “We don’t understanding it” problem. I think we’re almost over the “This doesn’t produce anything useful” problem. And so I think this will go forward fairly rapidly now. And if it does, this is capable of, by itself, completely changing geo-economics, geopolitics of solving quite a bit of [the] energy [problem.]

On September 17 2011 01:54 Traeon wrote:


There already is renewed interest in cold fusion all over the world. That's why I'm so optimistic - he isn't a lone wolf that miraculously appeared with some exotic technology, he built on the work of some of the best in the field. Instead we're seeing various research teams getting excess heat that's only explainable by some unknown nuclear reaction. The amount is small, but things are looking good. Even if Rossi disappeared with all his work, I'm sure cold fusion would become a reality in the next decade anyway, maybe much sooner.



Dennis Bushnell is Chief Scientist of NASA Langley

Source

On September 14 2011 23:34 imallinson wrote:
touting cold fusion

Secondly, if he gets killed for his invention all will happen is a huge surge of new research into cold fusion

There already is renewed interest in cold fusion all over the world

On September 14 2011 23:34 imallinson wrote:
Have they actually published a paper on this yet because the only thing I could find from googling this was the original "paper" they published in this online journal. I thought it was a bit fishy when it was announced a few months ago and snooping around the website it turns out some of the advisors for the paper are Prof. Sergio Focardi and Prof. Pierluca Rossi i.e. the people who have done the "research" so I'm not inclined to call this reputable. Also note this was after being rejected by other more reputable journals.

So scientifically at least it has failed to stand up to the normal rigours of peer review. As for the demonstrations they are completely black box and there seems to have been absolutely no explanation of how they are working. This itself is fairly suspicious, especially given they had patent applications and seems to be a drive from them to fund further research. Again this is quite strange because it's far from the normal way you try to get funding from scientific institutes which makes me wonder who exactly they are trying to get funding from.


From what I've found the only patent he has actually managed to secure was an Italian one. And this was apparently (source is in Italian so I can't confirm) before stricter patent laws were enforced.

Overall it looks like yet another person touting cold fusion with no good evidence to back it up and asking for money so they can "continue their research" which is an often used tactic from people peddling free energy scams.

On September 14 2011 20:22 Grumbels wrote:
Some of the ideas like: "if it was real he was already dead" are so ridiculous. Don't you know that if a technology like this ever takes off, it would be the energy companies that would profit most from it? Energy is valuable, and if it becomes cheaper then that just opens the doors to many more ways to use it. Furthermore, you still need oil/gas for various things. And most importantly, how can they know if it's real? They probably work off of the same information we do, and just keep an eye on it to ensure that if it ends up as real they'll be in a position to harness it.

I doubt it's real though, but who knows. At the very least I hope that all investors and such ensure that their money will be refunded if it ends up as a fraud.

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This is revolutionary technology - if real, obviously investors, governments would make lots of money and existing energy companies would be aided by the government to switch over some of their divisions to this new cold fusion one and they would in all likeliness end up richer than before.

Secondly, if he gets killed for his invention all will happen is a huge surge of new research into cold fusion, they know that if the possibility exists they can't stop it in the end.