EPTRossi's energy catalyzer - Page 9
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
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Traeon
Austria366 Posts
The first video showing the incomplete 1 MW plant http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3264361.ece Also, Rossi has said there will be a live stream during the 1 MW plant demonstration. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5711 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On September 14 2011 17:39 Traeon wrote: Update: The first video showing the incomplete 1 MW plant http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3264361.ece Also, Rossi has said there will be a live stream during the 1 MW plant demonstration. Good find! I don't know if a 1MW demonstration will end the last remnants of my skepticism, but certainly if the buyer is completely satisfied with running it for a couple weeks I'll be behind it. | ||
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Traeon
Austria366 Posts
It's showing still producing a LOT of steam after half an hour without electrical input. | ||
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decemvre
Romania639 Posts
If real: Free Energy: (put 1 in, get 4 out; build enough of them and it will be very close to "free") = Cheap to run UV lamps = Cheap Food = Cheap Hydrogen = Cheap fuel for anything = Cheap Electricity = Cheap to run robots from street cleaning to Nickel mining = Cheap pumping water to reclaim deserts as fertile ground I could go on, but you could just sum it up as solution to all our problems not to mention i'm getting tired of the word "Cheap". If fake: +1 Rich italian guy hiding / living on a remote island; world stays the same. As far as i'm concerned its a win-win scenario XD. | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
Oil industry comes to mind ... | ||
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Zooper31
United States5711 Posts
On September 14 2011 18:41 shell wrote: True december.. but somehow i doubt some higher powers would not let this go ahead since there is so much money to lose maybe even more then the money you can win with this! Oil industry comes to mind ... Honestly if this was real I expect him to be dead alrdy because of exactly what you said. This would almost destroy the economy thats based around energy. Imo though this is amazing if true and I can only hope for this to be implented as soon as possible. | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
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decemvre
Romania639 Posts
On September 14 2011 18:41 shell wrote: True december.. but somehow i doubt some higher powers would not let this go ahead since there is so much money to lose maybe even more then the money you can win with this! Oil industry comes to mind ... I don't see humans ever not needing plastic materials so i don't think that's the issue. If you do what to consider something of this magnitude i would rather look national debt or the discrepancy between super-rich and middle class. Cheap Everything would mean that all our currencies (exept gold but even that to some extent) start devaluating fast. Imagine if China's investment into US debt would suddenly lose 85% of its value. How do you think that would make the chinese feel ? But this is true for all countries.Up to this point some countries have been extreemly wise when handling their money (see Germany) while others have had unmerited growth through insane debt (see Greece); now suddenly in a few years or a decade the Greek debt devalues to 15% of current. Fair ? Also consider nuclear / wind / solar / alternative energy investments just made in previous years which are expected to pay for themselves and then bring in profit (i'm sorry i don't know an english word for this one) in a couple of decades. I foresee lots of angry investors in this industry. Also, the super-rich enjoy being "super-rich". If luxury becomes "cheap" and lets say most of the middle class can afford "yachts" because they're built by robots running on cheap electricity we have a problem as it will take a few decades for the very rich people to find new things to do that the middle class cannot afford (such as space tourism). I honestly think we'll see billionaires with protest signs picketing government buildings (sorry for trolling on this one). And so on. | ||
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Holy Check
Romania155 Posts
On August 16 2011 22:08 Nemesis wrote: "They don't want to tell anyone how it works because it's a scam" - bzzz, how do you think they are planning to protect themselves from competitors who plan on copying their products if it works? By writing an article about it and getting a patent? Derp. Not to mention that a world-changing technology like this is in itself reward enough. | ||
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decemvre
Romania639 Posts
On September 14 2011 18:41 shell wrote: True december.. but somehow i doubt some higher powers would not let this go ahead since there is so much money to lose maybe even more then the money you can win with this! Oil industry comes to mind ... Off Topic. People see the fact that plastic bio-degrades in about a thousand years as a "bad thing". I see it as a good thing. In about 150 years when we run out of petrol completely, digging up past landfills to "mine" for plastic will be a lucrative industry. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On September 14 2011 18:53 gruff wrote: There is always something expensive about cheap power sources. That's why I'm preserving my skepticism until the buyer gets the product and ends up satisfied. There's been enough research into LENR/CARN reactions that it is possible however unlikely that his particular one does give off this much energy for very cheap starting materials. | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
These kinds of discoveries are exiting in any case.  | ||
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decemvre
Romania639 Posts
On September 14 2011 19:41 Danglars wrote: That's why I'm preserving my skepticism until the buyer gets the product and ends up satisfied. There's been enough research into LENR/CARN reactions that it is possible however unlikely that his particular one does give off this much energy for very cheap starting materials. Yes, its called Nickel in this case. We don't have an infinite supply on earth, but asteroids are made of iron / nickel. I too am somewhat skeptical, but since we're bound to find out in no more than 1 month or so i think wild speculation is fun . | ||
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prOxi.swAMi
Australia3091 Posts
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
On September 14 2011 18:48 Zooper31 wrote: Honestly if this was real I expect him to be dead alrdy because of exactly what you said. This would almost destroy the economy thats based around energy. Imo though this is amazing if true and I can only hope for this to be implented as soon as possible. Just like the internet and laser printers destroyed the economy? | ||
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
http://www.esowatch.com/en/index.php?title=Focardi-Rossi_Energy-Catalyzer#Journal_of_Nuclear_Physics | ||
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decemvre
Romania639 Posts
On September 14 2011 19:59 prOxi.swAMi wrote: Is this thing scalable? By scalable I am actually more interested in the downscaling of it. i.e. if it's fo rela, will I be able to pour a quarter cup of water into my phone and let it run on its own for a year or what? One unit is already the size of a toaster O_O; but it needs to be permanently connected to a power source and it only produces steam. You then need a way to get electricity out of steam. My guess is to get raw electricity out of it you'd need something the size of 2 toasters. You'd put 1Kw+nickel in, get 4Kw out. The question becomes, how much will nickel prices rise if this is real and do we have enough of it (or can we mine enough). | ||
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Traeon
Austria366 Posts
On September 14 2011 19:59 prOxi.swAMi wrote: Is this thing scalable? By scalable I am actually more interested in the downscaling of it. i.e. if it's fo rela, will I be able to pour a quarter cup of water into my phone and let it run on its own for a year or what? It doesn't consume water. It consumes nickel and hydrogen. The water is used as heat exchanging medium. Rossi is planning to make "household sized" units that will produce hot water and electricity. The current goal is to deliver the 1 MW heating plant to his customer though. | ||
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