Rossi's energy catalyzer - Page 7

If someone sleeping all day will make as much as anyone else; if you can afford anything anywhere what will possibly motivate people to achieve wealth and greatness ?

On July 27 2011 20:45 decemberTV wrote:


German labour force is expensive. German car companies have 2 options either make more robots or move shop to a developing country where labour is more cheap. The fact that Volkswagen employs 400.000 world-wide means nothing because only in Germany or Japan having robots do the work makes sense economically at all.

Think about it like this, in just a few decades agriculture in the western world went from manual labour of peasants and farmers who worked the field with their own hands or with horses to using tractors and harvesters that practically decimated the workforce needed so just a single "driver" is needed. By placing markers on the field the driver of the tractor or harvester can be replaced completely by a computer who can harvest 24 hours a day and requires far less energy and costs (if said energy is nearly free).


And to answer to your reply on the economical issue.
At the moment everyone in the world owns everyone else a great deal of monetary units which are more or less stable even though their value fluctuates. The current economic system is one based on inflation; luckily inflation in the US / Western Countries / Japan is halted by the always growing markets in the developing world.

When the cost of everything goes down, raw materials, precious metals (since it would be so much cheaper to mine everything when you have robots running on cost free electricity) the value of monetary units will collapse in the short term as everything would be insanely cheap.

This would very much anger countries like China for example who have invested a great deal in the US and are owed a great deal of money. Why ? Because suddenly they will be owed far less then what they gave to begin with.

Why do you think Russia and China are so insanely angry with the US government for printing so much money ? : ]





Very low energy prices almost over night will result in everything from raw materials to finished products become very cheap. Currencies will plummet and the "world debt system" would collapse along with them.

Also, countries hold their national reserves in either US dollars or gold.

When the US goes onwards and prints insane amounts of new moneys there's inflation in the US, the value of the dollar goes down and everything that the countries in the world hold in their national reserves devalues.

Unfortunately nobody can stop the US from printing money. Putin can rage about it but thats all he can do.

On July 27 2011 21:24 Ravencruiser wrote:
Sigh, I wasn't even going to click on the thread but somehow did anyway.

Let's put it this way:

For those of you still trying to argue "it might be possible", I pity you.

The exact same thing, and I mean exactly the same, has happened at least a few hundred times before this. No independent review entities/methods allowed, zero information on mechanism of action, sets a future "revealing date" (while reaping the benefits of all the hype/publicity before the big blow-out), etc.

Every time, the scam has some sort of catch that tries to make itself unique; and yet in every case, a scam is still a scam.

On July 27 2011 21:24 Ravencruiser wrote:
Sigh, I wasn't even going to click on the thread but somehow did anyway.

Let's put it this way:

For those of you still trying to argue "it might be possible", I pity you.

The exact same thing, and I mean exactly the same, has happened at least a few hundred times before this. No independent review entities/methods allowed, zero information on mechanism of action, sets a future "revealing date" (while reaping the benefits of all the hype/publicity before the big blow-out), etc.

Every time, the scam has some sort of catch that tries to make itself unique; and yet in every case, a scam is still a scam.

On July 27 2011 20:48 Probe1 wrote:
For fucks sake if you want to prove it's real just allow independent verification without oversight instead of making a 50+ page document eliminating ways it could be a scam.

I don't want to be this negative.. wait, yes I do. There are ample procedures for being taken seriously. I suggest they try one of them. (Hint: That does not include inviting people over for a day pass to look at it.)

On July 27 2011 08:28 decemberTV wrote:


Thats a very strong point you make.

"Free Energy" sounds very very scary though, doesn;t it ? At least in the short term it would be economic devastation.

Not only on the energy markets; everywhere !

If you have free energy, you can exploit anything, indefinitely, you can mine anything, you can grow and, transform and build anything for free.

Quickly all monetary units will simply devalue over night; If you no longer need to work 8 hours a day to receive monetary units what will 7 billion people do with their time ? 14 billion ? 28 billion in a few decades ?

Wealth will mean nothing still we have a number of jobs that require the practitioner to undertake massive education and preparation.

If someone sleeping all day will make as much as anyone else; if you can afford anything anywhere what will possibly motivate people to achieve wealth and greatness ?

Already we see that a lot of people enjoying "too much freedom" grow more and more stupid each day. Each generation seems to be more stupid than the previous one in all western countries.

My simple question is. How stupid will the 28 billion retards be in 2050 if this turns out to be true ?!?!?

On July 27 2011 20:35 Probe1 wrote:
What's there to discuss about this? If it can be independently verified outside of the purview and supervision of the inventors then we have a very impressive new power source.

If not then it's another free energy scam. I'll get back to you in six months when there's actually something verifiable.

On July 28 2011 07:32 s.a.y wrote:


Maybe because they invested all of their own money, and want a patent first before the Americans/Chinese copy the product?

On July 27 2011 23:58 rubio91 wrote:



I am myself a great skeptic, especially when the discussion is about scientific objects (just watch my previous posts on other threads). However, since i live in Italy, I had been observing this story for long time, and I came to the conclusion that there are great possibilities that the whole thing is real. Why? Because:
1) As said before (maybe) there is an energy output much greater than te energy put in the device to make it work, and there are no ways to produce such a great amount of energy with other reactions than nuclear reactions.
2) There is a power plant in production in Greece.
3) Rossi and Forcardi put their faces in that and, especially Focardi, have a reputation, that will be destroyed if the whole story is a fake. So no purpose of lying.
4) Many Scientist, from different nations (so not possibly connected by shared interests) are convinced that this "e-cat" can work: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3144827.ece
http://www.queryonline.it/ this site, in italian, followed the evolution of the whole story, since almost the beginning. It is the main media of CICAP, a very skeptical Italian organization composed by scientists, journalists etc. (it was very skeptical about the reactor at the beginning, but gradually they changed their mind, keeping a cautious approach at least since a full demonstration end explanation of the phenomena will be given).
5) Rossi is actually in contact with Bologna University in order to organize this demonstration.

On July 28 2011 08:30 Eknoid4 wrote:
It's kind of sad how many people are so adamant that no matter how much evidence there is, something still isn't true. It's like the westborough baptist church was invited and someone told them these scientists were homosexual

On July 28 2011 09:14 Vore210 wrote:


I think its just a reservation of judgement, there's no harm in that. If it turns out to be true, its not as if these people will be adamant that it still doesn't work.

We'll see in october.

On July 27 2011 16:09 Nightfall.589 wrote:
Why are we discussing commercial implications of something that, as is inevitably the case with cold fusion, a hoax?

May as well be discussing the commercial implications of immortality magnets, or time travel.

On July 27 2011 19:37 decemberTV wrote:
I can't believe you're actually saying that today's robots and computers could not mine, process the materials and build a house on their own once programmed to do so.

On July 28 2011 09:49 Gegenschein wrote:


I also hear that, by the year 2000, each of us will own a flying car.