Rossi's energy catalyzer - Page 6

On July 27 2011 10:19 Nevy wrote:
So hydrogen ''reacts'' with nickel forming copper and it's not fusion?

lol?

On July 27 2011 13:33 Ruthless wrote:


Hard to get much stupider than this post haha. Made me laugh.

Apparently free energy = free work? It might be able to put the manual laborer out of a job, but until Computers are able to "think" free energy doesnt mean theres no value to human's thinking. There are other costs besides the energy required to make something happen lol. Cant make a house with just energy. Need materials.

On July 27 2011 16:09 Nightfall.589 wrote:
Why are we discussing commercial implications of something that, as is inevitably the case with cold fusion, a hoax?

May as well be discussing the commercial implications of immortality magnets, or time travel.

On July 27 2011 20:05 Lochat wrote:


Sadly, a good chunk of people have the thought process which makes them believe those absurd things. I'm sure you'll have a good portion of 'people' here that would proclaim the existence of ghosts, bigfoot, effective homeopathy, prayer as a means of healing, that the 9/11 attack on the twin towers was set up by Bush, and that aliens abduct people on a regular basis.

Quite frankly, many people are credulous or just plain stupid and internet forums heavily self-select for ignorance.

On July 27 2011 19:37 decemberTV wrote:



You are aware that computers in this very moment are taking off, flying and landing 70% of the planes in the world are you not ? At this point the pilots are mere supervisors for the whole process. Robots are even performing surgery.
Robots don't need to "THINK" they just need to do 1 task really really well because unlike us they can be even more specialized.

And that the vast majority of the german car building industry is practically robotized ?

The only reason robots are not used everywhere is the cost of setting them up and running them which in most countries is much higher than the cheap labour force (look at India / China / and 90% of the world).

Given that when electricity is available hidrogen is practically infinite, nickel is fairily common on the earth as it was deposited during "late bombardment" by asteroids after the earth's crust had cooled and even so its used in small quantities in the process, or so they say.

Given that computers already do anything that humans can do 10 times better while never taking breaks and that computing power doubles every 16 months i think your post is the stupid one.

Robots could mine ore, process, assemble and produce the final product cheaper safer and faster than humans as long as energy would be, for the most part, free.


I can't believe you're actually saying that today's robots and computers could not mine, process the materials and build a house on their own once programmed to do so.

On July 27 2011 20:05 Lochat wrote:


Sadly, a good chunk of people have the thought process which makes them believe those absurd things. I'm sure you'll have a good portion of 'people' here that would proclaim the existence of ghosts, bigfoot, effective homeopathy, prayer as a means of healing, that the 9/11 attack on the twin towers was set up by Bush, and that aliens abduct people on a regular basis.

Quite frankly, many people are credulous or just plain stupid and internet forums heavily self-select for ignorance.

On July 27 2011 20:19 MiraMax wrote:


I did quite some consulting in the German automobile industry and can assure you that the manufacturing is far from being completely robotized. Volkswagen, for instance, employs more than 400.000 people world-wide many of which work in production (even though manual labor is mainly important in final assembly, not in body and paint shops anymore). Even with free energy available, robots still have several severe disadvantages when compared to humans especially with regard to flexibility. It is further not energy cost which is a deterrent for robotic labour but rather the high investment cost in development (robots don't develop robots ... yet).

"Free" (or really cheap) energy would not lead to a "collapse of the economy", but rather on the contrary to an immense increase in productivity and thus wealth. Unfortunately, the past track record of cold fusion claims has not been positive (and no, big oil was not responsible for that). That being said, the Rossi E-cat story seems quite unique in some respects and Italy is traditionally known as a country where also respected physicists work on cold fusion to some extent. It does seem too good to be true, but let's wait until October.

On July 27 2011 20:24 Hyulik wrote:
It sounds far too good to be true. Decentralized clean Energy for <1€Cent would allow us to stop the climate change within a decade or so. We are at about 24.000$/t Nickel right now, so if you really believe this will work out, there is something to invest in.

I really don't see how cheap energy damages an economy. The industry fears high energy prices, why would it fear low ones as well? Gathering and mining ressources would not change much, the tertiary sector would probably get better air conditioning and that's about it. We still need oil for chemicals and cars for years to come. Building Houses is still being done manually, mining is far too complex to be done automatically etc.Have you ever seen how clumsy robots move? We can't even make programs that effectively recognize wether a tank is friend or foe, how would a computer know where to mine, how to mine and what to mine? That's like sending in a five year old on a quest of finding shiny stuff in a dungeon.

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On July 27 2011 20:48 Probe1 wrote:
For fucks sake if you want to prove it's real just allow independent verification without oversight instead of making a 50+ page document eliminating ways it could be a scam.

I don't want to be this negative.. wait, yes I do. There are ample procedures for being taken seriously. I suggest they try one of them. (Hint: That does not include inviting people over for a day pass to look at it.)

On July 27 2011 20:41 MiraMax wrote:
Did anybody read the page of this guy mentioned in the OP who aims to "prove" that the E-cat is real stating: "If ALL known fakes are eliminated, then the device must be real" and thereby not considering that it could simply be a new "unknown" fake device!?

It certainly says something about the level of scrutiny employed by some of the followers...

An eCat using one of the "Alternative Explanations" would be as important an engineering breakthrough as an LENR device

On July 27 2011 20:45 decemberTV wrote:


German labour force is expensive. German car companies have 2 options either make more robots or move shop to a developing country where labour is more cheap. The fact that Volkswagen employs 400.000 world-wide means nothing because only in Germany or Japan having robots do the work makes sense economically at all.

Think about it like this, in just a few decades agriculture in the western world went from manual labour of peasants and farmers who worked the field with their own hands or with horses to using tractors and harvesters that practically decimated the workforce needed so just a single "driver" is needed. By placing markers on the field the driver of the tractor or harvester can be replaced completely by a computer who can harvest 24 hours a day and requires far less energy and costs (if said energy is nearly free).


And to answer to your reply on the economical issue.
At the moment everyone in the world owns everyone else a great deal of monetary units which are more or less stable even though their value fluctuates. The current economic system is one based on inflation; luckily inflation in the US / Western Countries / Japan is halted by the always growing markets in the developing world.

When the cost of everything goes down, raw materials, precious metals (since it would be so much cheaper to mine everything when you have robots running on cost free electricity) the value of monetary units will collapse in the short term as everything would be insanely cheap.

This would very much anger countries like China for example who have invested a great deal in the US and are owed a great deal of money. Why ? Because suddenly they will be owed far less then what they gave to begin with.

Why do you think Russia and China are so insanely angry with the US government for printing so much money ? : ]

On July 27 2011 21:24 Ravencruiser wrote:
Sigh, I wasn't even going to click on the thread but somehow did anyway.

Let's put it this way:

For those of you still trying to argue "it might be possible", I pity you.

The exact same thing, and I mean exactly the same, has happened at least a few hundred times before this. No independent review entities/methods allowed, zero information on mechanism of action, sets a future "revealing date" (while reaping the benefits of all the hype/publicity before the big blow-out), etc.

Every time, the scam has some sort of catch that tries to make itself unique; and yet in every case, a scam is still a scam.

On July 27 2011 21:05 Traeon wrote:


I think you don't understand what the author is saying there. Let me quote the important part



An "alternative explanation" (ie, not LENR, not a known fake) would be your "unknown fake device".