EPT[Old] The massacre in Norway - Page 62
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chronomancer
United States29 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
 so sorry | ||
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rogzardo
610 Posts
On July 24 2011 05:12 MaGic~PhiL wrote: I know this might sound kinda weird now but considering what absolutely horrible thing he did in order to get attention one might think what he has to tell is signifcant, important or maybe even enlightening. I try to find some kind of logic behind this but come on. Muslim is a religion with individuals he is writing as if there is a movement in which every individual is basicaly trying to destroy europe by making it multicultural. I mean tell me what he writes is just nonsense, isnt it. Oh well one can barely say this guy has some kind of psychic damage when he wrote this all up and does this. Its just blood cold murder in order to spread an idea.. Fuck you. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Shewklad
Sweden482 Posts
That was uncalled for? | ||
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Eurekastreet
1308 Posts
On July 24 2011 04:13 Klunssila wrote: .... No, I don't see a movie coming out of this in the near future. Except if it's some greedy American filmmaker solely doing it for the money. Reminds me of an article I read about the always decreasing delay between horrible events happening and the time it took for Hollywood to make a movie out of it (United 93, World Trade Center, Elephant (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0363589/)- which was probably the most interesting of the serie) has been increasing the past decade or so. I still don't know what to think about it...is there an acceptable delay for making a movie out of such an event (or to even think of doing one)? 1 year ? 10 years ? If my memory is good, the article was very inconclusive about the whole topic because it's hard to define what is an "acceptable" delay...after all, our generation is being instantly flooded with pictures of those events through the news, so what would be wrong with the additional point of view of an artist/filmmaker about it a bit later ? But the sure thing is that this delay has been decreasing the past few years, I don't know why, maybe we're getting used being flooded with pictures (I was watching the news a couple of hours ago, there was this shot of the bombing in Oslo with about 10 people walking down the street a few minutes after the explosion (before the police shut down the access to those streets), half of them had their mobile phone camera up and were filming and I thought WTF, some people might need help urgently there, can't all these people film later ? And the worst part is, I might have done the same as those people... ), I hope us being flooded with pictures is the main reason why we have this reflex of thinking about making a movie out of this, and not that we're getting more and more detached about what's happening to the next guy...but it might also be that both things are linked, (the perverse side of fiction/representation that makes you think about reality while helping you escape from it), otherwise, it's probably not what one could call progress. Still, to think about making a movie out of this on the day it happens probably shows that some of us are intoxicated with fiction and need to get a reality check...there are degrees to everything, I guess thinking about making a movie out of this (just like a litterary essay or a painting, and so on) would be ok, as long as it makes you reflect on the situation and make you grow as a person (some cinema critic would have a much deeper understanding of it all), but the movie kind you suggested (some kind of thriller, honestly ?) made me hesitate if your post was one to be discussed or if it was just fucking outrageous (and the fact I couldn't answer the question directly maybe means I should also check myself). How would you react if anyone said on the day of - say - the Columbine massacre, "Hey, let's make a FPS out of this!". Taste is subjective but this sounded pretty bad. Maybe I should try and read The Society of the Spectacle again | ||
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Phenny
Australia1435 Posts
On July 24 2011 05:12 MaGic~PhiL wrote: I know this might sound kinda weird now but considering what absolutely horrible thing he did in order to get attention one might think what he has to tell is signifcant, important or maybe even enlightening. I try to find some kind of logic behind this but come on. Muslim is a religion with individuals he is writing as if there is a movement in which every individual is basicaly trying to destroy europe by making it multicultural. I mean tell me what he writes is just nonsense, isnt it. Oh well one can barely say this guy has some kind of psychic damage when he wrote this all up and does this. Its just blood cold murder in order to spread an idea.. Thing is it ultimately damages his political view, similarly to how people of certain religious or political groups are negatively perceived in the aftermath of an attack by someone who shares their views in an extremist fashion. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
reason being? | ||
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reverb
United States41 Posts
On July 24 2011 05:14 chronomancer wrote: ya i'm curious as how he got an automatic assault rifle since those are somewhat hard to get/illegal even here in america. does it say in his silly manifesto? Further proof that making weapons illegal only provides an illusion of safety. Automatic weapons are legal to own in the U.S. btw... | ||
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MinoMino
Norway1103 Posts
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Grettin
42384 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I originally wanted to try establishing a connection with Hells Angels in either Prague, Berlin or Copenhagen. However, I lost my motivation completely during my first few days in Prague. I now have to acquire a semi-automatic rifle and glock legally. I don’t think the rifle will be a problem, as I have completed the 1 week duration hunter course, and I have had a Benelli Nova Pump-Action shot gun for 7 years without incident. I don’t have a criminal record so there is no reason why the police should reject my application. I have now sent an application for a Ruger Mini 14 semi-automatic rifle (5.56). It is the most “army like” rifle allowed in Norway, although it is considered a “poor man’s” AR-15. I envy our European American brothers as the gun laws in Europe sucks ass in comparison. However, the EUSSR borders to Turkey and the Middle East so acquiring illegal arms isn’t exactly rocket science providing you are motivated enough. In any case; I would rather have preferred a Ruger Mini 30, but I already own a 7.62 bolt rifle and it is likely that the police wouldn’t grant me a similar caliber. On the application form I stated: “hunting deer”. It would have been tempting to just write the truth; “executing category A and B cultural Marxists/multiculturalist traitors” just to see their reaction  | ||
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
He must have gotten the wrong idea, thinking you wrote something nice about the killer. Otherwise we have a raving lunatic in this thread. | ||
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nymfaw
Norway430 Posts
"A document of almost 1500 pages titled "Declaration of Independence of Europe" was sent to Terhi Kiemunki in the Finnish Party True Finns about 15.20 Finnish time. True Finns is a right-populist and nationalist political party in Finland The manifesto is characterized by strong nationalist and anti-Islamic attitudes, and acts as a declaration of war against what he describes as the kulturmarxistiske elite in Europe. He goes into detail on how to prepare for a revolution, and how best to create a hiding place for making a bomb." + Show Spoiler + vg.no | ||
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Aim Here
Scotland672 Posts
On July 24 2011 05:00 MaGic~PhiL wrote: im lacking the connection between his intention and why he chose those young people? Or ist it really just they key to bring his message out due to media interest? Well we don't quite know what his intention was, but from the looks of the youtube video from 'Andrew Berwick', it's most likely an attempt to spark off some sort of modern anti-Islamic crusade. He views people with mainstream political views as 'Cultural Marxists' (which I came across a few years back from some random internet discussions with rabid US thinkalikes of this guy, 'Cultural Marxism' seems to have been some term used by a tiny clique of genuine Marxists a few decades back and which got passed around by some sections of the fringe right to explain any news outlet saying something they disagree with). The gist of what I get from the Andrew Berwick video is that he wants to defeat the 'Multcultural Elites' in a European Civil War (which has already begun) in order that Europe becomes ruled by anti-Islamic crusader types - the video is heavy on crusader imagery - and then they unite to sweep Muslims out of Europe. The video explicitly states that it's impossible to vote those elites out of power. These kids were at a youth rally for the Norwegian Social Democratic Party. In this guy's twisted mind, he was likely attacking a cadre of "Cultural Marxists", so they'd be fair game - since apparently 'Cultural Marxists' are engaged in a campaign of genocide against Europeans. How this mass murder helps him in his drive against Islam and 'Cultural Marxism' is unclear, but my best guess is that he thinks that this will expose some willing people to his beliefs (including the materials I've mentioned, and linked to earlier in the thread) and recruit more crusaders. Since democracy doesn't matter to him, the fact that 99.9% of the people of Europe will now find this child-killer's ideas - and any ideas close to his - utterly repugnant, at least for a while probably is of little or no concern to him, just so long as he gets more True Believers. | ||
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larssto
Norway18 Posts
On July 24 2011 05:14 chronomancer wrote: ya i'm curious as how he got an automatic assault rifle since those are somewhat hard to get/illegal even here in america. does it say in his silly manifesto? It is speculated on in this article http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/07/23/nyheter/oslo/utoya/terror/17432914/ Translate from Norwegian with Google.Basically, he was a member of a gun club and as a "gun enthusiast" it would be difficult, but not impossible to get a hold of a MP5 type gun. It is illegal to own such a gun, but they are somewhat common. Recently, a Norwegian celebrity got in trouble after he fired such a gun in his shower while high/drunk. | ||
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Slakter
Sweden1947 Posts
On July 24 2011 05:17 MinoMino wrote: http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/07/23/nyheter/utoya/innenriks/drap/17433269/ Apparently he wrote a 1500 page book that was published on the internet under an alias. It describes all his plans about the whole thing. http://www.2shared.com/file/M-s-2fBD/2083-AEuropeanDeclarationofInd.html And there you have it if you´re interested. It is completely disgusting. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On July 24 2011 05:14 CCow wrote: You can safely assume this person planned all of this very, very thoroughly. He hates "marxists" and is obsessed by the idea that Norway is somehow controlled by "marxists", the youths obviously are "marxists" for him. And well, 13-17y.o.s will likely not try to overwhelm him. The camp being on an island makes all of this a "perfect target" for the sick mind of his. I believe on CNN they mentioned that the guy used to go to that camp and thats why he choose it. | ||
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
On July 24 2011 05:19 Slakter wrote: http://www.2shared.com/file/M-s-2fBD/2083-AEuropeanDeclarationofInd.html And there you have it if you´re interested. It is completely disgusting. And this is the movie version, if you rather waste 12 min of your life insteed of reading 1500 pages. | ||
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Slakter
Sweden1947 Posts
On July 24 2011 05:20 DannyJ wrote: Uh, this manifesto thing has brought the entire thing to a whole different level on insanity. I would never think such a person could exist in reality... Exactly, this feels like he has worked a lifetime for this shit... | ||
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
On July 24 2011 05:13 larssto wrote: http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/07/23/nyheter/oslo/utoya/terror/17432914/ In Norwegian, if you run it thrugh google translate it may make some sense. Basically, it is assumed he may have had to change magazine in his MP5 upto 20 times and that he killed one youth a minute before surrendering. That's potentially more than 600 rounds...not even counting the handgun and shotgun with him. What the hell.. | ||
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