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On July 24 2011 04:46 kekepop wrote:
Tears have been pouring out of my eyes all day, so I cant really bother to read through this thread. I read and posted for 12 hours straight yesterday tho.
Can someone please post some cliffs on that "manifesto"? Where did you guys find it etc? I have downloaded it and im reading the last 100 or so pages now, where he describest the process
It was sent to members of parliament, at least here in Finland. And it's been spreading trough interwebs.
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I'll try to translate this interview with one of the guys that was on the island during the massacre, that he did with a Swedish paper.
Edit: Sorry, the interview was made with a Norweigan paper, but it was also published in a Swedish one.
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Thorbjørn Veriede hade samlats med sina kompisar när den uniformerade mannen plötsligt dök upp och lockade till sig ungdomarna.
– Det är säkert att komma ut. Du kommer att räddas. Jag är polis, sa han.
Sedan avfyrade han skott efter skott.
– Vi var 30-40 då han började skjuta. När han var färdig stod fem-sex upp igen, säger Thorbjørn Veriede till VG.
Han har hemska minnesbilder av gärningsmannen som lugnt sköt de flesta av offren två gånger, som för att förvissa sig om att de var döda.
"Helt förfärligt"
– Han såg ut som han inte brydde sig om situationen, säger Vereide till VG.
När det till sist kom en räddningsbåt vågade han först inte hoppa ombord. Han hade svårt att lita på människorna efter att ha blivit beskjuten av en falsk polis.
Nu hoppas han få träffa några av de överlevande ungdomarna och tala om det som hänt.
– Det är helt förfärligt. Jag har pratat med några kompisar på hotellet och de säger att de såg sin bästa vän bli skjuten i huvudet framför dem.
"Thorbjørn Veriede was together with his friends when the uniformed man suddently arrived and attracted all the youths.
- It's safe to come out. You will be saved. I'm from the police, he said.
Then he started shooting.
- We were 30-40 when he started shooting. When he was done, five or six of us still stood up, Thorbjorn tells VG.
He has terrible "memory images" of the shooter, calmly shooting most of the victims twice, to make sure that they were dead.
- He didn't seem to care about the situation, Vereide tells VG.
When an emergency boat came to save them, he didn't want to jump aboard. He had problems trusting people after being fired at, by a fake police officer.
He hopes to be able to meet some of the survivors and talk about what happend.
- It's terrible. I've talked to some of my friends at the hotel and they told me they've seen their best friend be shot in the head right infront of them."
Sorry for any spelling misstakes, if there's something you don't understand, just ask. Tried to do it quickly, not in the best mental state either.
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On July 24 2011 04:51 Shewklad wrote:I'll try to translate this interview with one of the guys that was on the island during the massacre, that he did with a Swedish paper. + Show Spoiler +
Thorbjørn Veriede hade samlats med sina kompisar när den uniformerade mannen plötsligt dök upp och lockade till sig ungdomarna.
– Det är säkert att komma ut. Du kommer att räddas. Jag är polis, sa han.
Sedan avfyrade han skott efter skott.
– Vi var 30-40 då han började skjuta. När han var färdig stod fem-sex upp igen, säger Thorbjørn Veriede till VG.
Han har hemska minnesbilder av gärningsmannen som lugnt sköt de flesta av offren två gånger, som för att förvissa sig om att de var döda.
"Helt förfärligt"
– Han såg ut som han inte brydde sig om situationen, säger Vereide till VG.
När det till sist kom en räddningsbåt vågade han först inte hoppa ombord. Han hade svårt att lita på människorna efter att ha blivit beskjuten av en falsk polis.
Nu hoppas han få träffa några av de överlevande ungdomarna och tala om det som hänt.
– Det är helt förfärligt. Jag har pratat med några kompisar på hotellet och de säger att de såg sin bästa vän bli skjuten i huvudet framför dem.
"Thorbjørn Veriede was together with his friends when the uniformed man suddently arrived and attracted all the youths. - It's safe to come out. You will be saved. I'm from the police, he said. Then he started shooting. - We were 30-40 when he started shooting. When he was done, five or six of us still stood up, Thorbjorn tells VG. He has terrible "memory images" of the shooter, calmly shooting most of the victims twice, to make sure that they were dead. - He didn't seem to care about the situation, Vereide tells VG. When an emergency boat came to save them, he didn't want to jump aboard. He had problems trusting people after being fired at, by a fake police officer. He hopes to be able to meet some of the survivors and talk about what happend. - It's terrible. I've talked to some of my friends at the hotel and they told me they've seen their best friend be shot in the head right infront of them." Sorry for any spelling misstakes, if there's something you don't understand, just ask. Tried to do it quickly, not in the best mental state either.
No words.
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I'm torn between sadness and anger. Why did those children have to die?
I can somewhat understand political fundamentalism, because our world is used to that. But why the kids?....
My very sincere condolences.
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im lacking the connection between his intention and why he chose those young people? Or ist it really just they key to bring his message out due to media interest?
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On July 24 2011 05:00 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
im lacking the connection between his intention and why he chose those young people? Or ist it really just they key to bring his message out due to media interest?
By reading his book I´ve found a reason, it´s very illogical however.
He simply thought that everyone who was a part of the multicultural establishment was his enemy and must be disposed of.
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They were the future generation of his political opposition. What better target was there for him to maximize his impact?
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On July 24 2011 05:00 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
im lacking the connection between his intention and why he chose those young people? Or ist it really just they key to bring his message out due to media interest?
The kids were at a summer camp organized by the Youth Wing of the Norwegian Labour Party, which is the major party in the current ruling coalition and the party of the Prime Minister - Jens Stoltenberg.
The killer seems to have some kind of hatred towards this party and its Youth Wing, calling them "Stoltenberg-Jugend". In addition, I guess the location made operational sense...
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On July 24 2011 05:00 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
im lacking the connection between his intention and why he chose those young people? Or ist it really just they key to bring his message out due to media interest?
They are the future government.
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On July 24 2011 05:00 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
im lacking the connection between his intention and why he chose those young people? Or ist it really just they key to bring his message out due to media interest?
Correct. Found this in the book:
All that, however, is barely noticeable compared to the sacrifices made in relation to the distribution of this book, the actual marketing operation;)
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this is just insane then 8/
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I was just notified that an old classmate are among the 4-5 still missing from the shooting
tears
rolling
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How much ammo did he have with him? Seriously, he killed 80 and he double-shot some to be sure? What the hell?
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On July 24 2011 05:08 kekepop wrote:
I was just notified that an old classmate are among the 4-5 still missing from the shooting
tears
rolling T_____T
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I know this might sound kinda weird now but considering what absolutely horrible thing he did in order to get attention one might think what he has to tell is signifcant, important or maybe even enlightening. I try to find some kind of logic behind this but come on. Muslim is a religion with individuals he is writing as if there is a movement in which every individual is basicaly trying to destroy europe by making it multicultural. I mean tell me what he writes is just nonsense, isnt it.
Oh well one can barely say this guy has some kind of psychic damage when he wrote this all up and does this. Its just blood cold murder in order to spread an idea..
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On July 24 2011 05:09 Bleak wrote:
How much ammo did he have with him? Seriously, he killed 80 and he double-shot some to be sure? What the hell?
http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/07/23/nyheter/oslo/utoya/terror/17432914/
In Norwegian, if you run it thrugh google translate it may make some sense. Basically, it is assumed he may have had to change magazine in his MP5 upto 20 times and that he killed one youth a minute before surrendering.
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On July 24 2011 05:12 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
I know this might sound kinda weird now but considering what absolutely horrible thing he did in order to get attention one might think what he has to tell is signifcant, important or maybe even enlightening. I try to find some kind of logic behind this but come on. Muslim is a religion with individuals he is writing as if there is a movement in which every individual is basicaly trying to destroy europe by making it multicultural. I mean tell me what he writes is just nonsense, isnt it.
Oh well one can barely say this guy has some kind of psychic damage when he wrote this all up and does this. Its just blood cold murder in order to spread an idea..
It is complete nonsense and completely psychotic. I can assure you.
Really, this is the most creepy thing I´ve read in my whole life.
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On July 24 2011 05:08 kekepop wrote:
I was just notified that an old classmate are among the 4-5 still missing from the shooting
tears
rolling
oh man -_- stay strong,
its total chaos maybe he slipped trough the system or is hiding on the Island
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On July 24 2011 05:00 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
im lacking the connection between his intention and why he chose those young people? Or ist it really just they key to bring his message out due to media interest?
You can safely assume this person planned all of this very, very thoroughly.
He hates "marxists" and is obsessed by the idea that Norway is somehow controlled by "marxists", the youths obviously are "marxists" for him. And well, 13-17y.o.s will likely not try to overwhelm him.
The camp being on an island makes all of this a "perfect target" for the sick mind of his.
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