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Sex is definitely OP. It's a cultural obsession, which I think, ironically, would go away if people just got laid more. People would be more relaxed about it, stop making it such a big deal, and then we could all go on with our lives. As long as people are trying to construct rules about who/how/when it should happen we're only going to make people want it more. We're wired to want it, and complicating it only makes us want it more.
I'm not as understanding as the rest of the thread. If you're 21 and you haven't been laid, then something is wrong. Not morally wrong, just that you're a statistical outlier. Ok, so maybe you haven't met a girl worth it yet, fine. But, also, maybe you're just chicken, or bad with women, or whatever. Not all reasons are equally valid It's not the sex that you should worry about, it is the "why"s you should worry about.
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Didn't like the OP at all, seems too dramatic. Don't think an "average tool" will consider you a loser unless you are one. You can be a virgin and a winner in many people's eyes. Don't think there's a ton of pressure to have sex, some - maybe, lots and lots of it - not really. If anything, you are the one creating more pressure on yourself by focusing on the few comments you hear and what you see in movies seems like.. On the topic itself, at 20 you are probably missing out, but it's your call in the end. It may be for you that having sex without being crazy about someone wont be all that, so you should wait and find that person. Or it may be that you actually undervalue it and don't know what your missing. If you are not religious or have moral obligations to hold off till marriage, when you find someone you like, I'd advise you try it and then decide for yourself if its op. If you feel more comfortable waiting till the right time, nothing wrong with that. Only bad could come if you are simply worried about the first time and that's why are looking looking for excuses like sex is op. Or you cant get laid and are looking for an excuse... Worrying is natural, not getting laid right away isnt a crime either, but looking for excuses instead of facing reality and trying to downgrade something you havent tried..meh
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On July 23 2011 01:54 ninini wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 01:41 Jago wrote:On July 23 2011 01:38 ninini wrote:On July 23 2011 01:23 OutlaW- wrote:On July 23 2011 01:21 ninini wrote: Why would anyone want to have sex with someone for the simple reason that "it feels good"? With the same logic you should also be a drug addict. We have a strong sex drive because we're supposed to cross mountains for the right person. So, if we deplete our sexual drive regularly, we decrease our chances of finding that person.
Don't waste your sexuality. I'll gladly interfere with your argument. Everyone would be a drug addict if it had no negative effects on the body, which sex, outside of rare illnesses that you can avoid, doesn't have, and was free, like sex is. You don't have to be a brain surgeon to realize that someone who lives a life with no sexual gratification would be more driven in their pursuit of a partner compared to someone who have sex and/or masturbate regularly. And you write this off as "no negative effect". Wow. I sincerely hope you're just trolling, because you've got that completely backwards. Saving yourself for marriage is the thing that carries negative effect. Someone who lives a life with no sexual gratification is much more likely to be frustrated and depressed. I'm not talking about saving yourself for marriage. I'm talking about preserving your sexuality, which is something you can do inbetween relationships. Please explain exactly what do you mean by "preserving your sexuality" and why should one be doing this?
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On July 23 2011 01:56 ToxNub wrote:Sex is definitely OP. It's a cultural obsession, which I think, ironically, would go away if people just got laid more. People would be more relaxed about it, stop making it such a big deal, and then we could all go on with our lives. As long as people are trying to construct rules about who/how/when it should happen we're only going to make people want it more. We're wired to want it, and complicating it only makes us want it more. I'm not as understanding as the rest of the thread. If you're 21 and you haven't been laid, then something is wrong. Not morally wrong, just that you're a statistical outlier. Ok, so maybe you haven't met a girl worth it yet, fine. But, also, maybe you're just chicken, or bad with women, or whatever. Not all reasons are equally valid It's not the sex that you should worry about, it is the "why"s you should worry about.
Maybe your just an ass-hole?(I'm juuuuuuuust kidddding sheesh) But I don't need to post that on a forum do I
I really just wanted to ask what statistics am I outlaying from? I thought like 100% of all statistics on the internet were true.
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On July 23 2011 01:47 keeblur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 01:29 Dekoth wrote:On July 23 2011 01:08 theBALLS wrote:On July 23 2011 00:51 Jago wrote: The people saying that they are saving themselves for marriage and that somehow that will make the sex better are hilarious. I am saving myself for marriage. And yes, I do believe it will be better. Because to me, I would be doing it guilt-free, and guilt-free always feels better, no? Stop pushing silly religious morals into something that carries no guilt. You don't need a stupid piece of paper to not feel guilty about a perfectly natural act. Go back and read my earlier post. I saw nowhere in that statement where he even remotely mentioned religion, so why even bring it up?
Read his post, that statement comes directly from religious indoctrination. No one who isn't extremely religious considers associating guilt with sex. Few things get me riled up, people associating guilt with sex are one of those few things. This is coming from someone who chose to wait until he was married.
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On July 23 2011 01:54 Stil wrote: I don't care if my lady has had 100 partners before me - the past is the past. I am not so selfish that I would deny the wealth of experiences that come with adult (and sex is part of that) relationships. Why should my future partner feel lonely and unloved for years and years, until the day that our paths cross? Am I so egotistical that I have to have exclusivity like a forum poster with little actual valid content and just go 'FIRST' in order to feel like a significant part of her life? No!
Wait, so if your partner never had sex, that partner was lonely and never loved? I think it's a problem in itself when you associated having sex with being loved. Your partner can be a virgin and still have a life full of love.
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On July 23 2011 01:45 Wrongspeedy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 23 2011 01:04 theBALLS wrote: I am about to lose my TL virginity here.
Here goes my virgin post:
Coming from a Asian's pov (btw I find it real silly how people refer to us as generic "Asians"... Goddamit we're the most populous continent with a myriad of different races and nationalities), it WAS very much frowned upon to engage in sexual relations prior to marriage. However, with the advent of Westernization, people nowadays have grown to become much more liberal about their activities, and even their sexuality. Today, you can be a man dressed up like a woman and all you'd be getting are brief stares. If you did this 30 years ago in my country, you'd be treated like a blue man in a freak show.
However, being 20 this year, and being a virgin, most of the people in my social circle are still virgins who do not succumb to peer pressure. I would like to consider myself to be of the more educated lot (have secured a spot for a PhD course in college), and although people in our circle do engage in sexual activity, it is not worn on a sleeve. Most of us (excluding the jockish lot) are not ashamed to admit our virginity and we see no need to "get it on" to impress an invisible audience.
On the other hand, I do have friends who are less educated, and this lot makes up the majority of our population. The connecting trait I notice in many of these people is a sheer lack of self-esteem. They seem to have an inherent need of self-glorification. I am sad to say, but these people want to be like you. They don't feel satisfied in their Asian skin and they practice what I call "white worship". Please note that I am not insulting the west. It is the portrayal of the west as seen in pop culture. The "sex and drinking is cool" culture. That is really sad, and I predict that within the next century, our Asian traditions would be completely overwhelmed by westernization. I'm calling it.
The irony of the matter is, I think a person is much more of a loser than a virgin if he/she loses her virginity because of social pressure. Even more so if the person thinks that we are losers because we are virgins.
Personally, as an Asian, although not religious but brought up in a Christian home, I do feel a need to maintain the decorum of my lineage and to respect certain traditions. I have had several opportunities to engage in the said activity. I was very tempted, like any 20 year old dude would be. I, however, turned it down not because of religion or whatnot, but simply because it wouldn't be something I could be proud of. I think overcoming temptation is far more gratifying that succumbing to a primal urge.
Therefore you're not a loser because you're a virgin. I would most probably NOT be a virgin if 1) I was brought as a white kid in America AND 2) I had no religious background. Unlike OP, my virginity is something that I highly value, and my first time should only be shared with someone extremely special to me. Lol. I'm a white kid in America who is in your position because my parents are the same way (Religious while I am not). The U.S. is big enough that a wide variety of people exist  . The States are all very different from each other for the most part, and small towns are much different than large cities. Much like in Asia. Like in Utah lots of people wait to get married before sex, some of those same people try and marry more than one women at once. Haha, Now I'm done (<Jungle Insider). Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 01:36 flanksteak wrote:For something like sex, I think it's good that everyone goes at their own pace/has their own ideas/attitudes towards it. I could tell you it's not all it's cracked up to be, and it actually is better with someone you've gotten to know, but you can't just know this. If right now you believe that bagging as many chicks as possible is the way to go, you need to go through that process before changing your mind. Or not. Honestly, it's liberating when you don't care about it as much (eventually you have other priorities); and I wish I spent less time in the past chasing pussy/caring about it, but I had to do it, like most people edit: for those saving themselves for marriage, let me tell you: it will not make it better, LOL. I don't care who you are, when you first start having sex you are fucking terrible at it. That can change over time, but it doesn't hurt to get ahead of the curve  Do you know that from experience? I mean I honestly believe that the first time having sex will not be the best, but what does "better" mean? And have you actually waited until you were married to have sex, so that you could actually answer that question? There are many different ways a thing can be "better", and I don't think anyone is arguing "well I'm waiting to have sex till I'm married because I know it will feel better HAHAAHAH FOOLS and their premarital sex." I think its more like you have some confidence in your partner and you feel like your bond is tighter from having only experienced sex with each other (and knowing that), or just religion, whatevs. Its just silly to say people shouldn't wait for marriage if you yourself have not tried it. You can obviously still have an opinion.
Wrongspeedy, there's nothing mystical about sex that will somehow improve just because you're married; the bond is important, but experience is too You don't even know your body yet, much less hers when you first start having sex, and unless you're some kind of prodigy, you're definitely going to have a better time the further you get.
And if you're appealing to experience, which I take it you are since you're implying I didn't wait until marriage (I didn't) and therefore wouldn't know, perhaps you should take it from me, since you've hinted to me you're a virgin (not saying this in a derogatory way, just saying, you should probably take my word for it, lol).
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On July 23 2011 00:51 Jago wrote: The people saying that they are saving themselves for marriage and that somehow that will make the sex better are hilarious.
It hilarious, but it is sad too. Men are the new women.
On July 23 2011 01:25 LarJarsE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 01:08 theBALLS wrote:On July 23 2011 00:51 Jago wrote: The people saying that they are saving themselves for marriage and that somehow that will make the sex better are hilarious. I am saving myself for marriage. And yes, I do believe it will be better. Because to me, I would be doing it guilt-free, and guilt-free always feels better, no? obvious troll account made for this thread.. idk why you would feel guilty about premarital sex, because sex is very natural and our bodies search for it constantly, wether you like it or not. it is what we are created for. check it: this is sex from my experiences and perspective. i first had sex when i was in 8th grade with my girlfriend i had been dating for a year. i truely thought we would be together forever and we loved eachother blah blah. after we broke up, i was heartbroken and i though i would never experience anything like that again. in highschool, i was tired of feeling shitty about relationships and feeling like noone is attracted to me, so I started reading and watching alot of psychological articles and documentaries related to attraction. i basically "got good" at talking to girls and creating attraction. after years of experimenting and having sex with different people, i've found that it gets really boring just trying to go bang many people. as i have gotten older, i have become more intolerant with girl's personality traits which i didn't like. its like i became a high maintenance girl who is really choosy with how they spend their time with other people.during this very choosy time, i happened to meet someone who i cliqued with instantly; true, real, non-manipulated attraction. after awhile of non official dating (like a year?), i decided that this girl is pretty damn awesome, and i was ready for a real, boyfriend girlfriend relationship. yes we had sex before we started officially dating.
That´s the good part about a lot of experimentation. You won't be around any bitch just because they have a pussy and you´ll get tired of girls that are not worth. I´m on the same boat: I had a relationship, she broke with me and now I'm 100x happier because through experimentation I noticed that she is a bitch that would not make me happy in the long term.
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On July 22 2011 11:50 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 11:49 nitdkim wrote: I've been mildy depressed since I was prob like 15 years old. Right now I'm 21, still pretty much depressed. I don't really care about sex or women to actively seek sex. set some goals for yourself wtf...
Its not that simple, I have also dealt with depression for my whole life.
The best thing to do is take life as it comes, and not play into the crap that people try to get you to play into.
a quote i keep on my fridge: "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent"
another .... Stressed is Desserts backwards...
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On July 23 2011 02:03 Jago wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 01:54 ninini wrote:On July 23 2011 01:41 Jago wrote:On July 23 2011 01:38 ninini wrote:On July 23 2011 01:23 OutlaW- wrote:On July 23 2011 01:21 ninini wrote: Why would anyone want to have sex with someone for the simple reason that "it feels good"? With the same logic you should also be a drug addict. We have a strong sex drive because we're supposed to cross mountains for the right person. So, if we deplete our sexual drive regularly, we decrease our chances of finding that person.
Don't waste your sexuality. I'll gladly interfere with your argument. Everyone would be a drug addict if it had no negative effects on the body, which sex, outside of rare illnesses that you can avoid, doesn't have, and was free, like sex is. You don't have to be a brain surgeon to realize that someone who lives a life with no sexual gratification would be more driven in their pursuit of a partner compared to someone who have sex and/or masturbate regularly. And you write this off as "no negative effect". Wow. I sincerely hope you're just trolling, because you've got that completely backwards. Saving yourself for marriage is the thing that carries negative effect. Someone who lives a life with no sexual gratification is much more likely to be frustrated and depressed. I'm not talking about saving yourself for marriage. I'm talking about preserving your sexuality, which is something you can do inbetween relationships. Please explain exactly what do you mean by "preserving your sexuality" and why should one be doing this?
...Saving yourself for marriage is always just a bad idea....-_-...I dunno...Call it sexual compatibility versus sexual incompatibility. Not that I'm saying to sleep with random women you don't care about. I don't even like doing that.
I stopped sleeping with this girl because the sex was bad...seriously...I'd rather just rub it out myself...I dunno...Don't have feelings for her, she's not as pretty as most girls I actually date, and I usually dodge fucking girls I'm not dating....So I kinda see some points he's saying.
...And I don't mean what he means preserving sexuality....
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On July 23 2011 01:21 ninini wrote: Why would anyone want to have sex with someone for the simple reason that "it feels good"? With the same logic you should also be a drug addict. We have a strong sex drive because we're supposed to cross mountains for the right person. So, if we deplete our sexual drive regularly, we decrease our chances of finding that person.
Don't waste your sexuality.
We have strong sex drives so that we are sure to procreate, and sustain the species.
Love does not play into a humans innate sexual urges.
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u know in imo, sex is way overrated, nothing beats a 15 minutes bj, from a girl with a tongue ring. :D trust its awesome
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On July 23 2011 02:24 krbz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 01:21 ninini wrote: Why would anyone want to have sex with someone for the simple reason that "it feels good"? With the same logic you should also be a drug addict. We have a strong sex drive because we're supposed to cross mountains for the right person. So, if we deplete our sexual drive regularly, we decrease our chances of finding that person.
Don't waste your sexuality. We have strong sex drives so that we are sure to procreate, and sustain the species. Love does not play into a humans innate sexual urges.
Being a drug addict would be completely fine if there weren't all the side affects. Sex feels just as good (if you can live out your fetishes it probably feels a lot better) and has no negative side effects (if you're not stupid or extremely uncareful, that is).
The problem with having sex with random people instead of someone you love is that you don't know each other really well, hence the sex will not be nearly as good as it could be simply due to the fact that you don't know eachother's ins and outs very well.
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Hey OP, why are you a virgin?
Me personally because I could give a shit less whether or not I get a woman. I'm also more focused on my life success than having sex. No gain except a good feeling for a few minutes.
If someone disagrees with me, persuade me.
edit: turned 18 in January.
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On July 23 2011 02:33 HoodedAvatar wrote: u know in imo, sex is way overrated, nothing beats a 15 minutes bj, from a girl with a tongue ring. :D trust its awesome
HAHAHA. I'll probably never get the chance (the tongue ring), but this is good to know xD
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On July 23 2011 02:33 HoodedAvatar wrote: u know in imo, sex is way overrated, nothing beats a 15 minutes bj, from a girl with a tongue ring. :D trust its awesome I DO NOT AGREE.
At all.
Ex had a tongue ring, girl I was sleeping with recently has a tongue ring too...Now, they both give a damn good bj, but the ex lost hers and I loved it.
Not that I'm against the tongue ring...either way its good, but it doesn't matter THAT much. Maybe I'm just too used to it -_-
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On July 23 2011 02:24 krbz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 01:21 ninini wrote: Why would anyone want to have sex with someone for the simple reason that "it feels good"? With the same logic you should also be a drug addict. We have a strong sex drive because we're supposed to cross mountains for the right person. So, if we deplete our sexual drive regularly, we decrease our chances of finding that person.
Don't waste your sexuality. We have strong sex drives so that we are sure to procreate, and sustain the species. Love does not play into a humans innate sexual urges.
Except its also our obligation as possibly the smartest animals on this planet to stop making so many babies before the world cannot sustain our childrens children. Sustaining our species is no longer really a daily obligation (ever heard of Gay people?). I think regardless of whether you are "sexually" compatible (think mother nature took care of that for the most part). The mountain you would have to cross to meet the woman you would sleep with for the rest of your life, without sleeping with any other, would be a big mountain, but maybe worth climbing. Thats all I mean by my comments, I've never said people or myself should wait till they are married, but people shouldn't be knocking it unless they tried it. Which is why I haven't said whether I think sex is overrated or not in any of my posts.
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On July 23 2011 02:03 Jago wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2011 01:54 ninini wrote:On July 23 2011 01:41 Jago wrote:On July 23 2011 01:38 ninini wrote:On July 23 2011 01:23 OutlaW- wrote:On July 23 2011 01:21 ninini wrote: Why would anyone want to have sex with someone for the simple reason that "it feels good"? With the same logic you should also be a drug addict. We have a strong sex drive because we're supposed to cross mountains for the right person. So, if we deplete our sexual drive regularly, we decrease our chances of finding that person.
Don't waste your sexuality. I'll gladly interfere with your argument. Everyone would be a drug addict if it had no negative effects on the body, which sex, outside of rare illnesses that you can avoid, doesn't have, and was free, like sex is. You don't have to be a brain surgeon to realize that someone who lives a life with no sexual gratification would be more driven in their pursuit of a partner compared to someone who have sex and/or masturbate regularly. And you write this off as "no negative effect". Wow. I sincerely hope you're just trolling, because you've got that completely backwards. Saving yourself for marriage is the thing that carries negative effect. Someone who lives a life with no sexual gratification is much more likely to be frustrated and depressed. I'm not talking about saving yourself for marriage. I'm talking about preserving your sexuality, which is something you can do inbetween relationships. Please explain exactly what do you mean by "preserving your sexuality" and why should one be doing this? Preserving your sexuality means to not have sex or masturbate for a long period, well that's what I meant anyway. I know just by hearing your thoughts on the matter that you have never experienced this for a long time, like over a year. (your pre/early teens doesn't count btw)
And because you haven't tried this for over a year, you don't know how it affects a person. Well, I have tried both sides, so I know how it feels different. First of all, it doesn't make your sexuality die out. It's actually the opposite and you're chasing girls more than ever. Secondly, it doesn't make you horny non-stop. Being horny is not a product of your sexuality, it's a withdrawal symptom from having regular orgasms, which basically is a drug.
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Pressure on sex? Are you forgetting the rest of the rules and ideologies society imposes on us? Yes a lot of them are for the good but there's definitely some bad things that come of it like the point you mentioned; girls who feel as if they have to look a certain way due to the way media portray women around their sexuality. Not much is really done about this apart from being aired on TV asking the question 'is this bad?', 'is it right?' From a humanistic view, NO. But it makes money for corporations, presumably ones in this country... this country is having an economic crisis. Why would we stunt earning money? (I don't agree with this btw)
I lost my virginity not long ago at 23. I live in the UK and once people leave school they become a lot more mature about the whole thing, I was not given a hard time about being a virginity once I left school. Yes I have/had problems like mild agoraphobia and being a smelly, bad looking teen with an awful haircut stopping me but there were a whole host of other reasons, major to minor.
I don't even think it's that great, yeah I get slight withdrawals without it but it really wasn't all it's cracked up to be, it's just a natural part of life and if it doesn't enter your life then that's natural selection... I joke, there are many reasons why you may not have had sex. I was brought up religiously with the idea of no sex before marriage so that stunted many opportunities I had.
Most people I know revere virginity and thought it was awesome that I'd managed to keep my virginity as many of them recognize it's not all it's cracked up to be and some regretted the way they lost theirs... On the other hand, I haven't lost any respect because of losing it. Or maybe I just don't see it because I see it as irrelevant.
Hope this rant was interesting as I spent time writing this, damnit.
It really depends which society your talking about, this is my experience as someone living east-midlands UK
PS. and I don't preserve my sexuality, have a wank and get on with my day. Why hinder yourself? Sexual frustration is a b*****
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if you have to make a thread about it then you are probably second guessing your "decision" to not have sex. if its such a big deal then just do it. if its not a big deal, well then you wouldn't have made a thread. this is 19 pages of people trying to make one liners convincing themselves that sex isnt "worth it". Its a pretty quick and fun process, its not really a big deal either way until reproduction gets added to the tangle.
Sex is a basic motive of being human, the sex drive is stronger in some than others, so its really just a personal decision.
And honestly who cares? Other people not having sex just means more girls for me. there is nothing to debate here. There is no advantage to holding on to sex, and its been proven that if you have sex/jerk it on the reg you are less likely to get cancer cause you keep stuff flowin in your "pipes"
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