EPTOn July 16 2011 18:21 DisneylandSC wrote:
Alternate cure: stop drinking alcohol.
Side-effects: none
Costs: free
Alternate cure: stop drinking alcohol.
Side-effects: none
Costs: free
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delirium_tremens
You're welcome.
A Cure for Alcoholism? - Page 5
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sushiman
Sweden2691 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delirium_tremens You're welcome. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5711 Posts
On July 16 2011 15:04 kef wrote: My 2 cents: -People who say alcoholism isn't a disease have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. -People complaining that treatment using baclofen is essentially a replacement for alcohol need to look deeper at the issue. The Baclofen would have a specific dosage to be prescribed by a medical professional, and most likely would be coupled with therapy, etc. to maximize effectiveness (which is essentially what they already do today). So if you want to oversimplify it, then yes you're just taking a pill. But in reality, for the most effective treatment you won't just be taking a pill. The problem I have with saying alcoholism is a disease is this. When exactly did you get the disease? Were you born destined to be addicted to alcohol when you tried it or did the alcohol give it to you because you drank way more than was needed, IE you gave it to yourself. If it's the later than I will call it a disease but it's the persons own fault and I won't have much sympathy for them. If it's the former, well I just can't wrap my head around how people are born destined to be addicted to things their body or minds have no clue even exists, that would scare the shit out of me if that was proven to happen. How could I do anything without knowing if I wasn't gonna ruin my life once I tried it? In the U.S., fewer than 50% to 60% of alcoholics will develop any significant withdrawal symptoms upon cessation of alcohol intake, and of these, only 5% of cases of acute ethanol withdrawal progress to DT. Quoted from your own wiki lnk. You're welcome. | ||
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sushiman
Sweden2691 Posts
On July 16 2011 19:01 Zooper31 wrote: The problem I have with saying alcoholism is a disease is this. When exactly did you get the disease? Were you born destined to be addicted to alcohol when you tried it or did the alcohol give it to you because you drank way more than was needed, IE you gave it to yourself. If it's the later than I will call it a disease but it's the persons own fault and I won't have much sympathy for them. If it's the former, well I just can't wrap my head around how people are born destined to be addicted to things their body or minds have no clue even exists, that would scare the shit out of me if that was proven to happen. How could I do anything without knowing if I wasn't gonna ruin my life once I tried it? Quoted from your own wiki lnk. You're welcome. He claimed there were no side effects from stopping drinking. There obviously is, of which I showed the most serious. If people can die from withdrawal from alcohol, you can't say just stop drinking will solve everything. Thought that was obvious. -_- | ||
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SpiffD
Denmark1264 Posts
On July 16 2011 19:01 Zooper31 wrote: The problem I have with saying alcoholism is a disease is this. When exactly did you get the disease? Were you born destined to be addicted to alcohol when you tried it or did the alcohol give it to you because you drank way more than was needed, IE you gave it to yourself. If it's the later than I will call it a disease but it's the persons own fault and I won't have much sympathy for them. If it's the former, well I just can't wrap my head around how people are born destined to be addicted to things their body or minds have no clue even exists, that would scare the shit out of me if that was proven to happen. How could I do anything without knowing if I wasn't gonna ruin my life once I tried it? Quoted from your own wiki lnk. You're welcome. It's hereditary In a genetic study of unprecendented scope, researchers have used new genomic technology to indentify human genes in people most at risk for developing alcoholism, which could revolutionize treatment and prevention options. Researchers at the Molecular Neurobiology Branch of the National Institute on Drug Abuse report that their comprehensive scan of the human genome is the first time the new technology has been used to comprehensively indentify genes linked to substance abuse. http://alcoholism.about.com/od/genetics/a/genome_map.htm Source: National Institute on Drug Abuse | ||
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Zooper31
United States5711 Posts
On July 16 2011 19:07 sushiman wrote: He claimed there were no side effects from stopping drinking. There obviously is, of which I showed the most serious. If people can die from withdrawal from alcohol, you can't say just stop drinking will solve everything. Thought that was obvious. -_- I suppose. But still 50-60% won't get any significant symptons. Makes you wonder if most people arn't even trying to stop drinking. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On July 16 2011 19:10 Zooper31 wrote: I suppose. But still 50-60% won't get any significant symptons. Makes you wonder if most people arn't even trying to stop drinking. It's not the fear of withdrawal that keeps people addicted... | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
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Moonwrath
United States9568 Posts
On July 16 2011 19:10 Zooper31 wrote: I suppose. But still 50-60% won't get any significant symptons. Makes you wonder if most people arn't even trying to stop drinking. I don't think you quite understand addiction. You can try and stop drinking, but then you just cave and start drinking again, it doesn't mean the person isn't trying to stop. Newsflash, kicking an addiction is fucking hard. Even if the symptoms aren't significant, which really depends on the length and amount of drinking, it can be enough to get that person to drink again. The shakes are just one of the many withdrawal symptoms of alcoholism. | ||
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Sixotanaka
Australia191 Posts
On July 16 2011 19:08 SpiffD wrote: It's hereditary http://alcoholism.about.com/od/genetics/a/genome_map.htm Source: National Institute on Drug Abuse I want to clear up this misconception right now. Alcoholism is not hereditary, predisposition to alcoholism is hereditary. | ||
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SpiffD
Denmark1264 Posts
On July 16 2011 19:19 Sixotanaka wrote: I want to clear up this misconception right now. Alcoholism is not hereditary, predisposition to alcoholism is hereditary. Yes, sorry I was wrong. Thanks for clarifying . | ||
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wollhandkrabbe
Germany97 Posts
On July 16 2011 19:01 Zooper31 wrote: The problem I have with saying alcoholism is a disease is this. When exactly did you get the disease? Were you born destined to be addicted to alcohol when you tried it or did the alcohol give it to you because you drank way more than was needed, IE you gave it to yourself. I found that people understand alcoholism better if you (colloquially) call it an illness instead of a disease, one that you aquired by your own fault, although some people are much more succeptible to it than others. But you will almost never get rid of it without proper treatment by a doctor and/or therapist. | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
On July 16 2011 18:21 DisneylandSC wrote: Alternate cure: stop drinking alcohol. Side-effects: none Costs: free +1 People should get their heads out of their asses, even it its a hard thing to do, some actually manage to do it. However, there could be serious side-effects to just going cold turkey :b | ||
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Valashu
Netherlands561 Posts
On July 16 2011 11:27 Sovern wrote: So you go from being addicted to alcohol, to being addicted to a prescription drug......how lovely. All that a prescription drug regarding alcoholism or any other curable mental disorder is doing is putting a band aid over the wound. You're not treating the source of the problem and you're going from one physical dependency to another. At least the pharmaceutical company behind this pill will make a lot more money, its probably all that they care about anyways. I love how you read further than the title, wait you didn't? The drug isn't physically addictive. If the drug does what they say it does, this will be huge! | ||
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wollhandkrabbe
Germany97 Posts
On July 16 2011 19:47 Pulimuli wrote: People should get their heads out of their asses, even it its a hard thing to do, some actually manage to do it. How about another analogy: Stop having sex. Right now. Don't do it ever again, not even on your own. Even if it's a hard thing to do, some actually manage to do it, dedicated monks come to mind. That actually requires roughly about the same dedication and strenght of will as does abstinence for an alcoholic. Booze and sex work in a comparable way in the reward center of the brain, and in a comparable intensitiy. | ||
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foobahz
China68 Posts
thing about extreme alcohol abuse is that you cannot stop or your body dies from the withdrawl symptoms it boggles my mind that substances like LSD, marijuana, magic mushrooms (and just about any hallucinogen for that matter) are illegal but two of the most harmful and addictive recreation drugs, alcohol and tobacco, are completely legal. someday we humans will look back on these days and think "lol wtf were we doing?" | ||
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SpiffD
Denmark1264 Posts
On July 16 2011 19:47 Pulimuli wrote: +1 People should get their heads out of their asses, even it its a hard thing to do, some actually manage to do it. However, there could be serious side-effects to just going cold turkey :b Aah, the good ol' "a small percentage is able too, therefore everyone must be able too". Sorry it doesn't work that way. It's a disease and should be treated like one. | ||
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foobahz
China68 Posts
On July 16 2011 19:56 wollhandkrabbe wrote: How about another analogy: Stop having sex. Right now. Don't do it ever again, not even on your own. Even if it's a hard thing to do, some actually manage to do it, dedicated monks come to mind. That actually requires roughly about the same dedication and strenght of will as does abstinence for an alcoholic. Booze and sex work in a comparable way in the reward center of the brain, and in a comparable intensitiy. No. Extremely alcohol abuse is many, many times worse than abstaining from sex. In fact, most of the worlds population doesnt have sex on a regular basis. the difference between abstaining from sex and abstaining from alcohol is that a person literally DIES if they stop drinking. a person addicted to alcohol will rather have a beer than look for food if they're starving, if any of their basic needs like housing, food, etc aren;t being met. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delirium_tremens learn | ||
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wollhandkrabbe
Germany97 Posts
On July 16 2011 20:00 foobahz wrote: No. Extremely alcohol abuse is many, many times worse than sex addiction. In fact, most of the worlds population doesnt have sex on a regular basis. the difference between abstaining from sex and abstaining from alcohol is that a person literally DIES if they stop drinking. a person addicted to alcohol will rather have a beer than look for food if they're starving, if any of their basic needs like housing, food, etc aren;t being met. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delirium_tremens learn I was not talking about sex addiction. I know that the gratification an alcoholic gets from drinking is even greater than the gratification the average guy gets from having sex. I just gave an example so people who insist one could stop drinking whenever one wants can try to imagine how much strength and effort it actually takes. And maybe adjust their attitude towards alcoholics a tiny bit without slapping psychological theories in their faces. | ||
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foobahz
China68 Posts
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Flyingdutchman
Netherlands858 Posts
On July 16 2011 19:51 Valashu wrote: I love how you read further than the title, wait you didn't? The drug isn't physically addictive. If the drug does what they say it does, this will be huge! have you read further than the title? On July 16 2011 10:21 jdseemoreglass wrote: The most serious concern of the drug is a sudden discontinuation after prolonged periods of use. Discontinuation requires that the drug be tapered down. Sudden discontinuation can result in severe withdrawal symptoms, which are similar in nature to benzodiazepine or alcohol withdrawal. If you get withdrawal from something it is safe to say you developed a physical addiction to it. And withdrawal symptoms of benzo's are pretty severe, I heard you can actually die because of it (Don't quote me on that though, no official sources). | ||
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