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A Cure for Alcoholism?

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jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 01:21:54
July 16 2011 01:21 GMT
#1
Patients refer to it as "the switch." "It's where you reach a point where alcohol doesn't matter anymore."

"I have prescribed Baclofen to more than 135 alcoholics who were at the end of their rope, and the results are quite frankly miraculous.”

—Renaud de Beaurepaire, MD
Chief of Psychiatry and Director of the Psychopharmacology Laboratory
PAUL GUIRAUD HOSPITAL, VILLEJUIF, FRANCE


High-Dose Baclofen: A Cure for Alcoholism?


I've been following the recent studies on an incredible drug. Baclofen is an off patent GABA agonist and muscle relaxant, and has been used for more than 40 years to treat spasticity in patients with multiple sclerosis, cerebral palsy, etc.

In 2005, attention to the drug grew when a cardiologist and long-term alcoholic announced in a case report that high-dose baclofen had completely suppressed all of his cravings for alcohol, and effectively "cured" him of his alcoholism. After years of going to daily AA meetings, working with a sponsor, and taking all the FDA approved medications, nothing was able to put a dent in his addiction. Yet he was cured by taking a pill.

More and more case reports have been published stating that individuals have been cured of their alcoholism and all cravings after taking high-dose baclofen. Numerous trials have shown that baclofen is effective in treating addictions including alcohol, cocaine, nicotine, and heroin. In a recent trial to treat alcoholics with liver cirrhosis using low-dose baclofen, an incredible 71% maintained complete abstinence from alcohol for 12 weeks.

Past studies of baclofen for addiction showed mixed results, because researchers were reluctant to test a dose higher than 30 mg/day. However, neurologists have safely prescribed up to 300 mg/day for the treatment of spasticity.

As word has spread of this incredible treatment, whole online communities have been popping up dedicated to treating their addictions with baclofen. Their forums are filled with success stories and gratitude for this "miracle cure." Unfortunately, addiction-treatment providers have been reluctant to accept it...

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"At issue is the definition of treatment. In the U.S., successful treatment of addiction has traditionally been an all-or-nothing undertaking, involving complete abstinence — as promulgated by supporters of 12-step programs like AA — rather than a regimen of moderation. For many, that definition includes abstinence even from drugs that would help fight cravings. Indeed, for decades, experts have debated whether drug addicts who cannot or will not quit should even be offered ongoing treatments that would reduce harm related to their drug abuse. Although many providers have recently become more open to new options, the majority of American addiction treatment continues to use the 12-step abstinence model.

"But in many other countries harm reduction is a widely accepted treatment model. In Europe and Canada, government-funded antiaddiction programs routinely help alcoholic patients reduce drinking, even if they won't quit; in Sweden, health officials suggest that cigarette smokers switch to snus (smokeless tobacco), which, unlike smoking, is not associated with lung cancer or cardiovascular disease. American proponents of moderation also argue that by demanding complete sobriety, it is possible that we are missing the chance to improve the health of smokers or problem drinkers who cannot or are not ready to stop entirely.

"What's more, the abstinence-only model is far from foolproof: 90% of alcoholics do not get sober on their first attempt, and most rehab programs report a more than 50% relapse rate in their patients within months. First attempts to quit smoking cold turkey fail just as often. So, helping drinkers and smokers cut down, even if they can't quit immediately, may have significant value, says Teri Franklin, a professor of neuroscience at the University of Pennsylvania. "If you can prevent people from inhaling the 4,000 chemicals in just one cigarette, over 400 of which are carcinogenic, you can get a health benefit," she says, noting that she was only able to quit smoking by first cutting down."
(Time magazine, 2009)

A person who wishes to remain anonymous donated $750,000 to Amsterdam university in the Netherlands to initiate a clinical trial of high-dose baclofen. The trial was scheduled to start sometime in 2011.



Facts about balofen:


It is non-addictive, doesn't produce cravings, and has been safely prescribed for more than 40 years.

The highest dose of baclofen ever recorded, 2 grams in a suicide attempt, did not lead to death, and eventually the patient recovered completely.

Tolerance towards baclofen does not seem to occur to any significant degree, allowing a dose to be effective for many years.

In a restrospective study of 112 patients taking high-dose baclofen, only 8 discontinued treatment. The primary cause for discontinuation was not side effects, but a lack of improvement in spasticity.

The most common side effect is drowsiness, which typically dissipates after a few days.

Baclofen is off patent, and is cheaper than an alcoholic's days worth of liquor.

The most serious concern of the drug is a sudden discontinuation after prolonged periods of use.
Discontinuation requires that the drug be tapered down. Sudden discontinuation can result in severe withdrawal symptoms, which are similar in nature to benzodiazepine or alcohol withdrawal.



Studies and Links:


Complete and prolonged suppression of symptoms and consequences of alcohol-dependence using high-dose baclofen: a self-case report of a physician

Time Magazine, "Treating Alcohol Addiction: A Pill Instead of Abstinence?"

Baclofen efficacy in reducing alcohol craving and intake: a preliminary double-blind randomized controlled study

Ability of baclofen in reducing alcohol craving and intake: Preliminary clinical evidence

Effectiveness and safety of baclofen for maintenance of alcohol abstinence in alcohol-dependent patients with liver cirrhosis: randomised, double-blind controlled study


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Q&A


If baclofen causes withdrawal, doesn't that mean it's addictive?

No. Addiction has many different criteria, and the majority are psychological in nature.

The American Society of Addiction Medicine has this definition for Addiction:

Addiction is a primary, chronic disease of brain reward, motivation, memory and related circuitry. This is reflected in the individual pursuing reward and/or relief by substance use and other behaviors. The addiction is characterized by impairment in behavioral control, craving, inability to consistently abstain, and diminished recognition of significant problems with one’s behaviors and interpersonal relationships.

In other words, baclofen does not exhibit any signs of psychological dependence. It doesn't produce cravings, it doesn't impair behavioral control, it isn't progressive, etc.


But isn't withdrawal listed in the DSM as a criteria for addiction?

Yes, but it specifically states that at least THREE of the criteria must be met in order to diagnose an individual as addicted.

(1) tolerance
NO
(2) withdrawal
YES
(3) the substance is often taken in larger amounts or over a longer period than was intended
NO
(4) there is a persistent desire or unsuccessful efforts to cut down or control substance use
NO
(5) a great deal of time is spent in activities necessary to obtain the substance, use the substance, or recover from its effects
NO
(6) important social, occupational, or recreational activities are given up or reduced because of substance use
NO
(7) the substance use is continued despite knowledge of having a persistent or recurrent physical or psychological problem that is likely to have been caused or exacerbated by the substance
NO

Following these criteria, baclofen has not been shown to cause addiction.


What happens after taking baclofen for addiction?

Usually, the patient will steadily reduce their dose once indifference to alcohol has been reached. However, below a certain threshold, referred to as the "maintenance dose," cravings for alcohol can return. This means that baclofen may be a life-long dedication, much like AA and fighting cravings is a life-long dedication for many alcoholics.

It is not known how effective baclofen in combination with cognitive behavioral therapy and 12-step programs can be. Perhaps baclofen can be used to achieve abstinence without going through withdrawal, and then baclofen can be substituted with standard addiction treatment methods. The point is, it is too early to tell what is either possible or necessary with this treatment.


Can't you "cure" alcoholism by choosing not to drink?

No. Abstinence is not referred to as a "cure," because the patient will still experience the symptoms of the disease, including life-long cravings for the drug of choice. Baclofen treatment has been referred to as a possible cure, because it is the only thing which has managed to eliminate the symptoms of addiction.


Does baclofen get you "drunk" like alcohol does, since it affects GABA receptors?

No, and yes. "Drunkenness" involves many different symptoms and has many different causes. Acting as an agonist of GABA receptors only produce a few of the symptoms of drunkenness.

Drugs that act as agonists of GABA receptors (known as GABA analogues or GABAergic drugs), have relaxing, anti-anxiety, and anti-convulsive effects. Alcohol also has these effects, but they are not the sole effects produced.

In other words, baclofen mimics the effects of drunkenness when it comes to the effects listed above, namely drowsiness, relaxation, anti-anxiety, and anti-convulsive effects, but no others. However, these effects usually subside after a few days at a given dose, except at significantly high doses, which differs for each individual.


If anyone has any other questions, feel free to ask. The more we can spread understanding and knowledge of addiction the better.
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
Mordoc
Profile Joined April 2011
United States162 Posts
July 16 2011 01:25 GMT
#2
O.o


Seems cool if it continues to work, but I, personally, would be very wary of trying anything like 300mgs a day (or the drug at all) unless I were a dead end alcoholic with money to spend (which I am not) (and I assume this drug is fairly expensive).
Tweleve
Profile Joined March 2011
United States644 Posts
July 16 2011 01:26 GMT
#3
As long as you're depending on something else, can't really call it a cure.
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Nothingtosay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States875 Posts
July 16 2011 01:26 GMT
#4
All forms of addiction are disease whether psychological or physical someone stating that it a lack of will power is truly out of touch. I think that if this drug turns out to be as safe and effective it seems this a wonderful thing that could potentially save the lives of alcoholics and their possible victims.
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raja91
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada28 Posts
July 16 2011 01:27 GMT
#5
You have to be pretty stupid to start abusing alcohol in the first place.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-16 01:29:59
July 16 2011 01:29 GMT
#6
Interesting. Naltrexone is also used to treat alcholism and low doses of that is an off label treatment for MS. Now we have Baclofen which is a treatment for MS being used in high doses to treat alcoholism. Sounds promising to me.
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R0YAL
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1768 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-16 01:30:38
July 16 2011 01:29 GMT
#7
It seems silly to me that you can say "cure for alcoholism," its not like alcoholism is a diagnosis. Its just people who cant control their drinking habits. Interesting nonetheless.
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Ramiel
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1220 Posts
July 16 2011 01:34 GMT
#8
sounds good. but look at those side effects. and those are seen at normal dosing and therapeutic levels. while this could be a great thing- long term side effects of this medication taken at these doses is not known.

known side effects include:
ataxia , nausea vomiting other gi upsets and Neuro problems... epileptic like.

also because alchy addiction is a mental disorder - what happens when the patients stop taking the medication? relapse?
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coltrane
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Chile988 Posts
July 16 2011 01:41 GMT
#9
well.... u know, people exposed to morphine lose all interest in opium... and people exposed to heroin lose all interest in heroin... im not judging, im a jonkie, im just saying.. "cure"? i dont know...
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Tweleve
Profile Joined March 2011
United States644 Posts
July 16 2011 01:41 GMT
#10
On July 16 2011 10:34 Ramiel wrote:
sounds good. but look at those side effects. and those are seen at normal dosing and therapeutic levels. while this could be a great thing- long term side effects of this medication taken at these doses is not known.

known side effects include:
ataxia , nausea vomiting other gi upsets and Neuro problems... epileptic like.

also because alchy addiction is a mental disorder - what happens when the patients stop taking the medication? relapse?


If so, it's basically methadone but for alcoholics
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urasheep
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
62 Posts
July 16 2011 01:43 GMT
#11
On July 16 2011 10:29 R0YAL wrote:
It seems silly to me that you can say "cure for alcoholism," its not like alcoholism is a diagnosis. Its just people who cant control their drinking habits. Interesting nonetheless.


Agreed with this post. It's not some crazy disease, it's just like quitting tobacco.

I can't really see it through an alcoholics eyes though, so my opinion shouldn't matter too much.
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TALegion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1187 Posts
July 16 2011 01:52 GMT
#12
On July 16 2011 10:43 urasheep wrote:
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On July 16 2011 10:29 R0YAL wrote:
It seems silly to me that you can say "cure for alcoholism," its not like alcoholism is a diagnosis. Its just people who cant control their drinking habits. Interesting nonetheless.


Agreed with this post. It's not some crazy disease, it's just like quitting tobacco.

I can't really see it through an alcoholics eyes though, so my opinion shouldn't matter too much.

Well, they have nicotine patches and gum for quitting smokers. The way I see it, this seems similar to that. (I have no idea the science between either of these products, so if that's a ridiculous/nonsensical comparison, sorry )
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tok
Profile Joined April 2010
United States691 Posts
July 16 2011 01:52 GMT
#13
I have alcoholism in my family I may need this some day.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17246 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-16 01:55:45
July 16 2011 01:53 GMT
#14
So a few things stuck out at me:
-71% stayed abstinent for 12 weeks. What about after that? Why is 12 weeks significant?
-I saw no mention of whether or not people eventually stop taking Baclofen or if it is a lifelong treatment.
-Is there some kind of relationship between MS and alcoholism, as Plexa's mention of the drugs for each being intertwined?

As I understand it, rehab (notably the 12 step program) is pretty shaky to begin with. I recall hearing about studies that said it was largely ineffective/useless (this was mentioned in opposition to judicially mandated 12 step programs). Maybe someone can shed more light on whether or not rehab is even a good benchmark to be comparing this drug to. Moreover, what is the rate for treating alcoholism via placebo. 71% seems significant, but I have nothing to compare it to besides results of questionably effective rehab.
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Ramiel
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1220 Posts
July 16 2011 01:55 GMT
#15
here is the thing about the entire alcoholism is not a disease debate. at first yes- people make the choice to drink. however over time there is a physical change in the brain. alcoholics can become physically addicted- and go through withdrawl symptoms. so at that point is it more than an impulse or addiction? where does one draw the line?

at first all addicts are not in a disease state. yet over time with pysicah and chemical changes that occur in the addics brain- when does one draw a line between disease and addiction?
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Shewfasa
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada4 Posts
July 16 2011 01:57 GMT
#16
It seems like it (alcoholism) could be better described as a personality trait than a disease. This product is like a magic pill that could turn someone from an introvert to an extrovert (oh wait shit, that's alcohol...) Some people just tend to be more compulsive than others, so i tend to sit on the non-disease side of the fence. Whether or not it's a disease, like many philosophical debates is pretty hard to prove one way or another... but long story short Baclofen sounds promising... now if you'll excuse me, i have a beer to finish.
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-16 02:04:13
July 16 2011 02:00 GMT
#17
On July 16 2011 10:29 R0YAL wrote:
It seems silly to me that you can say "cure for alcoholism," its not like alcoholism is a diagnosis. Its just people who cant control their drinking habits. Interesting nonetheless.

On July 16 2011 10:27 raja91 wrote:
You have to be pretty stupid to start abusing alcohol in the first place.


Spoken like people who have no f'ing idea what they are talking about. Alcoholism is a serious problem.

A prescription drug that could cure alcoholism would be a pretty huge deal.
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SirazTV
Profile Joined May 2010
United States209 Posts
July 16 2011 02:01 GMT
#18
I actually heard this guy on NPR a few weeks back and basically it is replacing one drug with another. I really don't see this being all that useful.
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
July 16 2011 02:01 GMT
#19
haha, sounds like a miracle, but life is hardly ever so easily dealt with.
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Tarot
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada440 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-16 02:12:10
July 16 2011 02:10 GMT
#20
On July 16 2011 11:01 SirazTV wrote:
I actually heard this guy on NPR a few weeks back and basically it is replacing one drug with another. I really don't see this being all that useful.

The part about: "It is non-addictive, doesn't produce cravings, and has been safely prescribed for more than 40 years" is pretty damn important. Can't say that about alcohol.

On July 16 2011 11:01 KimJongChill wrote:
haha, sounds like a miracle, but life is hardly ever so easily dealt with.

Modern medicine seems to be able to 'easily' deal with quite a lot of illnesses. (Most of these has been long forgotten by the general first world population.) Hopefully alcoholism will go the same way.
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