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guys, seriously, seems you all know any shit on drugs.
I have been using drugs for the last 15 years, and half of you seems falling for the pharmaceutical lie while the other half of you seems falling for that other lie about "adictions"
This news here is just another lie about a drug to overcome another drug. Alcohol is quite an awesome drug, btw, and all of the so called adictions have much more to do with personality issues than with the actual subtances.
I say it again, im kind of a jonky and i know that after i tried heroin i never wanted to try morphine again.
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On July 16 2011 11:10 Tarot wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 11:01 SirazTV wrote:
I actually heard this guy on NPR a few weeks back and basically it is replacing one drug with another. I really don't see this being all that useful. The part about: "It is non-addictive, doesn't produce cravings, and has been safely prescribed for more than 40 years" is pretty damn important. Can't say that about alcohol. Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 11:01 KimJongChill wrote:
haha, sounds like a miracle, but life is hardly ever so easily dealt with. Modern medicine seems to be able to 'easily' deal with quite a lot of illnesses. (Most of these has been long forgotten by the general first world population.) Hopefully alcoholism will go the same way.
Well... modern medicine is full of shit.
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I don't get how they can state it doesn't cause addiction but if you stop taking it suddenly it causes withdrawal symptoms similar to alcohol...
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On July 16 2011 10:43 urasheep wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:29 R0YAL wrote:
It seems silly to me that you can say "cure for alcoholism," its not like alcoholism is a diagnosis. Its just people who cant control their drinking habits. Interesting nonetheless. Agreed with this post. It's not some crazy disease, it's just like quitting tobacco. I can't really see it through an alcoholics eyes though, so my opinion shouldn't matter too much.
My dad quit smoking for 9 months after being a 30 year smoker, and never had a craving again. My uncle, an alcoholic, has been sober for over 2 years and still has cravings on a regular basis. The two are nothing alike. Once you become one, you are one for life; a cure for this would be a VERY big deal.
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I got a better suggestion, which pretty much worked for lots of my friends: " When psychedelic therapy is given to alcoholics using methods described in the literature about one-third will remain sober after the therapy is completed, and one-third will be benefited. If schizophrenics and malvarians[10] are excluded from LSD therapy the results should be better by about 30 per cent. There are no published papers using psychedelic therapy which show it does not help about 50 per cent of the treated group....
Our conclusion after 13 years of research is that properly used LSD therapy can convert a large number of alcoholics into sober members of society.... Even more important is the fact that this can be done very quickly and therefore very economically. Whereas with standard therapy one bed might be used to treat about 4 to 6 patients per year, with LSD one can easily treat up to 36 patients per bed per year. "
http://www.skeptically.org/recres/id3.html
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Weird stuff, I was just going over Bacophlen being a possible "cure" for coke addicts in Health class.
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Alcoholism - addiction to alcohol resulting from alcohol dependency
Alcohol dependence - withdrawal symptoms, tolerance, use of larger and larger amounts, significant time spent obtaining alcohol, neglecting other social responsibilities.
People have addictions, some people will label these behaviors as "personality characteristics, choices, personal flaws, habits, weakness... etc..." All of these terms reflect ignorance of the pathophysiology and development of addiction as well as human addictive behavior.
I doubt we can avoid these arguments in a thread like this, but lets hope.
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On July 16 2011 11:14 coltrane wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 11:10 Tarot wrote:On July 16 2011 11:01 SirazTV wrote:
I actually heard this guy on NPR a few weeks back and basically it is replacing one drug with another. I really don't see this being all that useful. The part about: "It is non-addictive, doesn't produce cravings, and has been safely prescribed for more than 40 years" is pretty damn important. Can't say that about alcohol. On July 16 2011 11:01 KimJongChill wrote:
haha, sounds like a miracle, but life is hardly ever so easily dealt with. Modern medicine seems to be able to 'easily' deal with quite a lot of illnesses. (Most of these has been long forgotten by the general first world population.) Hopefully alcoholism will go the same way. Well... modern medicine is full of shit.
Not sure if serious.
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Also, it does not cure alcoholism. Once you stop taking bachlofin the craving will resume.
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So you go from being addicted to alcohol, to being addicted to a prescription drug......how lovely. All that a prescription drug regarding alcoholism or any other curable mental disorder is doing is putting a band aid over the wound. You're not treating the source of the problem and you're going from one physical dependency to another. At least the pharmaceutical company behind this pill will make a lot more money, its probably all that they care about anyways.
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Well if it's ok to give someone drugs because of mental problems, why isn't it ok to try the same thing with addictions, which lead to changes of the brain, just like mental problems as well. No one comes up with stuff like "well it's just replacing it with a drug" or something like that.
And on top of that, if it really works anything like it, it means that it's not a lifetime treatment, more likely a "setting the brain back to 'normal' for about one year and after that it probably works normal again".
Well I don't know shit about addictions, but that's what's comming to my mind when I think of it and hear people telling me addiction may actually change something in your brain.
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its been known for thirty years that psychodelics offer unbelievable good rates of recovery for substance addiction if used in psychological setting
first it was LSD, now there are newer studies with psylocybin. the only thing is that it takes scientists like a decade to get grants for doing such research, and then it doesnt change anything. the powers that be seem to be scared of psychodelics...
all easily googlable, but hereis a link to start:http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/lsd-helps-alcoholics-put-down-the-botttle-419523.html
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On July 16 2011 11:29 Toadesstern wrote:
Well if it's ok to give someone drugs because of mental problems, why isn't it ok to try the same thing with addictions, which lead to changes of the brain, just like mental problems as well. No one comes up with stuff like "well it's just replacing it with a drug" or something like that.
And on top of that, if it really works anything like it, it means that it's not a lifetime treatment, more likely a "setting the brain back to 'normal' for about one year and after that it probably works normal again".
Well I don't know shit about addictions, but that's what's comming to my mind when I think of it and hear people telling me addiction may actually change something in your brain.
If it were like that it would be a cure. This is not. Once people stopped taking the drug they started having cravings again.
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I have been fighting alcoholism and drug addiction for a couple of years now. There is no cure I am an addict at heart. Even tho there are long periods I can go sober, I always have the urge to get drunk or fucked up somehow. Actually I think the drug problem is a lot easier to handle in my case, I almost dont get urges to get high anymore (cocaine) but I still feel the urges to get drunk.
I stay sober because I have learned to be in control I guess, and I know I dont want to be a low life loser alcoholic, but it gets hard sometimes. Every couple of months or so I get in this "I dont give a fuck anymore mode" and binge drink for days at the time 5+..it actually just happen not long ago at all lol  I started drinking 4th of july and I just went on a binge that lasted 7 days and I ended up in key west lol ( i live like 5 hours away from there). The hardest part is not stopping, but what comes after you stop, the depression, anxiety, persecution feeling, fast heart beats, it fucking blows they usually last for like a day or so and then I feel like i recuperate my life and I am back in control
Anyways, what Also helps me big time is working out and fitness. Whenever i run everyday and go to the gym everyday that keeps me away from drinking. and of course ditching my party friends for a while
Just sharing my experience
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Alcoholism is not just "oh hey I like drinking and have no willpower". Alcoholism is a severe addiction which studies have shown to be passed down genetically, where the sufferers are far more predisposed than average people to abuse alcohol. Alcohol is a drug, and like any other drug, some people are more responsive and dependent on it than others. This drug reduces the dependency. It's a great step forward.
On July 16 2011 11:25 SirazTV wrote:
Also, it does not cure alcoholism. Once you stop taking bachlofin the craving will resume.
Yes, probably, but it's still a great help. People who suffer from severe depression have to take anti-depressants for their entire lives; this is not any different. I know alcoholics who can quit for a few years but always come back, at least this drug gives them something they can come back to instead of the bottle.
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On July 16 2011 11:00 Moonwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:29 R0YAL wrote:
It seems silly to me that you can say "cure for alcoholism," its not like alcoholism is a diagnosis. Its just people who cant control their drinking habits. Interesting nonetheless. Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 10:27 raja91 wrote:
You have to be pretty stupid to start abusing alcohol in the first place. Spoken like people who have no f'ing idea what they are talking about. Alcoholism is a serious problem. A prescription drug that could cure alcoholism would be a pretty huge deal.
Didn't say it wasn't a problem, it obviously is. But it isn't a disease or anything. You arn't born with alcoholism, you can't "catch" alcoholism.
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On July 16 2011 11:27 Sovern wrote:
So you go from being addicted to alcohol, to being addicted to a prescription drug......how lovely. All that a prescription drug regarding alcoholism or any other curable mental disorder is doing is putting a band aid over the wound. You're not treating the source of the problem and you're going from one physical dependency to another. At least the pharmaceutical company behind this pill will make a lot more money, its probably all that they care about anyways.
The difference is, alcohol causes changes in behavior that ruin an alcoholic's life, whereas this drug (presumably) does not. So are you saying being addicted to meth and being addicted to delicious cake are the same thing? Replacing an unhealthy addiction with a healthy one is the only way to treat such a disease.
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These drugs cause changes in behavior too....they act in a similar manner as xanax or any benzo acts on the brain. Benzo's are known to cause mood changes and have a lot of the same side affects that alcohol has. Why do you think that they said in the article the OP listed that withdrawal must be done gradually from this pill.....its because it affects your brain the same way alcohol does which is by inhibiting your GABA receptors which is also how drugs like xanax work, they all inhibit the GABA receptors.
Good job at putting words in my mouth you're making yourself look like an idiot that lacks reading comprehension skills. No where did I say that being addicted to cake is akin to being addicted to meth. The funny part is that you actually think that being addicted to a drug like this one is a good thing.
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I can't find the part where it says when they get off the new drug...Or...do they ever get off it? Sure, people say it's non addictive, but if you can't go off the drug without relapsing....that seems like it's just a replacement.
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On July 16 2011 10:43 urasheep wrote:
Agreed with this post. It's not some crazy disease, it's just like quitting tobacco.
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just no
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