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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-31 15:16:03
August 31 2017 15:15 GMT
#13301
On September 01 2017 00:10 Fecalfeast wrote:
Of course the optimal strat is to poop before showering but often I don't have to poop before the shower but mid shower the poop shows up. Then you have the dilemma of pausing the shower and pooping while soaking wet or waiting til after and basically undoing the work you just did washing your butt.

What an incredibly appropriate name.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
August 31 2017 16:58 GMT
#13302
Bowels unpredictable enough to bring on a shit mid-shower sound like cause for concern.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18471 Posts
August 31 2017 19:01 GMT
#13303
On September 01 2017 01:58 farvacola wrote:
Bowels unpredictable enough to bring on a shit mid-shower sound like cause for concern.

Agreed. I'd be shitting myself if it happened to me.
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
August 31 2017 19:18 GMT
#13304
On August 31 2017 22:51 207aicila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2017 03:07 207aicila wrote:
Here's a stupid question: where are the TL Final Edits? They used to have a subforum of their own, was that changed?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/final-edits/?viewdays=0
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Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5232 Posts
September 01 2017 21:55 GMT
#13305
From an ethical standpoint, what's worse:
a) Having to tone down something you like to do because it annoys someone?
or b) Putting up with something you don't like to appease the person doing something this person likes?
In both situations you change your behavior so that the person can be free of "stress". Are both situations equal? Will one cause more stress in you than the other? Does one outweigh the other?
But remember, if you don't restrict your own freedom, you'll restrict the freedom of the other person. So we can also discuss the disregarding stances if this is appealing.
Taxes are for Terrans
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 01 2017 22:03 GMT
#13306
There needs to be more context to this. Where are we on the "murdering puppies <------> Loves romantic comedies" scale? What is being toned down?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-01 22:41:36
September 01 2017 22:12 GMT
#13307
From an ethical perspective those questions are equal because they're the same but from different perspectives.
I'd say that it entirely depends on you/the individual evaluating whether appeasing is worth it. Either for being a good person or for a separate goal.

I'll edit an example where this evaluation went terribly wrong.

A woman went to see a happiness coach hold a little motivational speech/mass seminar.
He went on saying that if you don't like what you're doing but insist on doing it, consciously or subconsciously, you end up doing more harm than good.
The woman goes on thinking about that and after he finished his speech she goes on and asks him:
I cook every day and I hate it. But somebody has to do it and nobody else will so I do it. But I hate it. Do you really think I should stop? Who will cook then? Nobody can.

The coach replies:
You most certainly can stop and I must say you should do so immediately if it makes you unhappy.

Again the woman:
I think this will be very disruptive and nobody will like it but I will stop. From today on I won't cook anymore.

And so she went her ways.

A few weeks later the woman approaches the coach after another of his talks and says:
You told me to stop cooking for my family because I hate it, even though nobody else could.
And it's perfect! I can't remember being so happy on forever. Thank you, thank you, thank you! With all my heart.

The coach remembers and tells her that he is happy to provide useful advice and he was convinced that it was the right thing to do.
They part ways again.

Shortly after he is approached by two young men who identify themselves as her children and tell him:
One day our mother came home and said that she doesn't want to cook anymore because she hated it. All along, all these years. And that she'll stop immediately.
She told us that you gave her the advice to do so.
And we want to thank you from all our hearts. Family life had improved a lot.
Usually she would complain every dinner that she had to cook and nobody else would. This completely stopped and we get along much better.
Thank you ever so much.
They too part ways.

I'm sure the original story has variations but this is from memory so bear with me

Anyway, moral of the story is that you shouldn't force yourself to do things that you dislike because you think you should.
How does that apply to your conundrum you ask?
If you need/want to do something and are forced to suppress the need for it, it ultimately ends up in you being unhappy. If you cannot come to a conclusion by yourself, whether you weigh your activity heavier than the other person's needs is up to you in the first instance.
As long as it is in the bounds of law it is entirely up to you.
If you desire a good relation to said person, you communicate your need and hopefully arrange something.
If that fails it is back to your evaluation, whether to continue our not, again.

The same applies to the second question whether to implore someone to stop doing something is first on you to decide whether it's needed, then to communicate and possibly reach an agreement where both sides get what they deem reasonable or then again act to stop the person, if applicable, or evade the annoying situation.

Everything changes with your relationship to the person.
Be it a stranger, neighbor, partner, friend, family member.
passive quaranstream fan
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 01 2017 22:26 GMT
#13308
--- Nuked ---
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5232 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-01 22:31:22
September 01 2017 22:27 GMT
#13309
@Plansix: let's put it down "mathematically". Let's say your natural, completely free state is 1; which is the max (and 0 is the lowest) and for the other person it's the same. You are A and the other person is B.
In a) You do action x. In order for statement a) to be true initially (before change): A---x--->B; let's say that x ends up costing 20% of the completely free state of B, therefore, the states become A(1)---x--->B(0,8); but to appease the person, you do this: A(0,8)---x(0,8)-->B(1); whereas in b) you just endure y from B: B(1)---y--->A(0,8).
Now we can change the numbers to where they cross the line and we can have in depth discussions of what actions actually cross the line, but in the end the question is as follows: is it better to endure or to contain?
I'm guessing that from an objective standpoint this will be completely equivalent given that the weights of the changes are equal.
Taxes are for Terrans
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 01 2017 22:29 GMT
#13310
Bold conclusion: There is no ethical math. Math is purely amoral.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-01 22:50:46
September 01 2017 22:43 GMT
#13311
I agree with p6. As stated above and below (in spoilers)
+ Show Spoiler +
From an ethical perspective those questions are equal because they're the same but from different perspectives.
I'd say that it entirely depends on you/the individual evaluating whether appeasing is worth it. Either for being a good person or for a separate goal.

I'll edit an example where this evaluation went terribly wrong.

A woman went to see a happiness coach hold a little motivational speech/mass seminar.
He went on saying that if you don't like what you're doing but insist on doing it, consciously or subconsciously, you end up doing more harm than good.
The woman goes on thinking about that and after he finished his speech she goes on and asks him:
I cook every day and I hate it. But somebody has to do it and nobody else will so I do it. But I hate it. Do you really think I should stop? Who will cook then? Nobody can.

The coach replies:
You most certainly can stop and I must say you should do so immediately if it makes you unhappy.

Again the woman:
I think this will be very disruptive and nobody will like it but I will stop. From today on I won't cook anymore.

And so she went her ways.

A few weeks later the woman approaches the coach after another of his talks and says:
You told me to stop cooking for my family because I hate it, even though nobody else could.
And it's perfect! I can't remember being so happy on forever. Thank you, thank you, thank you! With all my heart.

The coach remembers and tells her that he is happy to provide useful advice and he was convinced that it was the right thing to do.
They part ways again.

Shortly after he is approached by two young men who identify themselves as her children and tell him:
One day our mother came home and said that she doesn't want to cook anymore because she hated it. All along, all these years. And that she'll stop immediately.
She told us that you gave her the advice to do so.
And we want to thank you from all our hearts. Family life had improved a lot.
Usually she would complain every dinner that she had to cook and nobody else would. This completely stopped and we get along much better.
Thank you ever so much.
They too part ways.

I'm sure the original story has variations but this is from memory so bear with me

Anyway, moral of the story is that you shouldn't force yourself to do things that you dislike because you think you should.
How does that apply to your conundrum you ask?
If you need/want to do something and are forced to suppress the need for it, it ultimately ends up in you being unhappy. If you cannot come to a conclusion by yourself, whether you weigh your activity heavier than the other person's needs is up to you in the first instance.
As long as it is in the bounds of law it is entirely up to you.
If you desire a good relation to said person, you communicate your need and hopefully arrange something.
If that fails it is back to your evaluation, whether to continue our not, again.

The same applies to the second question whether to implore someone to stop doing something is first on you to decide whether it's needed, then to communicate and possibly reach an agreement where both sides get what they deem reasonable or then again act to stop the person, if applicable, or evade the annoying situation.

Everything changes with your relationship to the person.
Be it a stranger, neighbor, partner, friend, family member.


On my opinion, trying to use you vocabulary, it is impossible to predetermine from which 0.X decimal you are factually worse off.
Because it varies from situation to situation and how much you value (read society values for a broader answer) the relationship to the person of concern.

You discipline your kids to be calm after 10pm but accept a little more noise from the neighbor's kids because they're not yours, just as an example.
passive quaranstream fan
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9331 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-01 23:52:10
September 01 2017 22:49 GMT
#13312
On September 02 2017 07:29 Plansix wrote:
Bold conclusion: There is no ethical math. Math is purely amoral.


Not if you quantify the moral factors.

Imagine we had an AI robo-Jesus. We could examine his thought process and check how exactly he deems something good or bad. Then we could use it to create an universal "is this moral" or "what would Jesus do" formula.

+ Show Spoiler +
/jk morality is subjective
You're now breathing manually
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
September 06 2017 02:41 GMT
#13313
when u guys eat baked potatoes from wendys, do u eat the entire thing or just the middle part.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-06 03:54:19
September 06 2017 03:43 GMT
#13314
Is the potato skin really the healthiest part? If so, why is the healthiest parts also the worst parts

Also what best way am killing earwigs and keeping thems from the comings back into home of mine?
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-06 06:21:20
September 06 2017 06:19 GMT
#13315
On September 02 2017 06:55 Uldridge wrote:
From an ethical standpoint, what's worse:
a) Having to tone down something you like to do because it annoys someone?
or b) Putting up with something you don't like to appease the person doing something this person likes?
In both situations you change your behavior so that the person can be free of "stress". Are both situations equal? Will one cause more stress in you than the other? Does one outweigh the other?
But remember, if you don't restrict your own freedom, you'll restrict the freedom of the other person. So we can also discuss the disregarding stances if this is appealing.
choose a relevant binarism: follower vs leader personalities; it then follows that the former will better accept and agree with a) while the later with b), based on this here premise: i'll put up with X because it's what i expect others in my position to do for me.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
September 07 2017 05:09 GMT
#13316
How do you stop yourself from continuously being friend-with-benefits-zoned?
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18471 Posts
September 07 2017 06:15 GMT
#13317
Which part don't you like? The friend part? Or the benefits?
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12038 Posts
September 07 2017 06:44 GMT
#13318
I am also not certain whether that is an actual problem or Epishade bragging about getting lots of casual sex.

It does not sound like an actual problem that people have, unless "friends with benefits" situations are very common within your social circle. I don't think they are common in most social circles. They definitively are not within my social circle.

If it is indeed an actual problem that you have, my advice would be the same as with any relationship problem. Talk to the people involved. That solves a surprising amount of problems. Just tell them clearly what you want. I know it is hard, because it means that you put yourself out there and give up the safety of ambiguity. But it solves your problem, and it prevents the situation where both of you hide behind the ambiguity and no one really knows what is up and everything gets complicated because of that.
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-07 21:21:49
September 07 2017 21:03 GMT
#13319
Can someone explain, in bachelor level physics (or lower), why there is a window of uncertainty of about 7 hours with regards to when the particles from the sun will "hit" earth following the recent solar flare? Or have the Danish journalists misunderstood something?
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
September 07 2017 21:57 GMT
#13320
I have no idea what you are refering to, but my guess is that is simply the period of time it takes for particles from the sun to reach Earth, minus the time taken for whatever detection it takes to detect a solar flare to reach Earth.
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