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JimmiC
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Hryul
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JimmiC
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On August 06 2017 01:05 AbouSV wrote: Make up your mind. It one, or the other, not both. But thanks for removing any need of further posting at least. How is the sharing of my direct experiences with Rynika mutually exclusove with my telling JimmieC that he can think how he wants? Indeed, it's very much possibly to say two different things when having two different conversations, is it not? When someone asks where he can talk to strangers and I tell him about how strangers are everywhere, if you want to talk to them just do so. That is a very different conversation with my having to tell JimmieC that there is a difference between my performing actions and telling people about it versus someone else performing non-actions and assuming the normalcy of it. Those conversations are separate. JimmieC is telling me that my actually going out to the world and talking to people is an opinion, and I am telling him he is free to think so. I am telling Rynika what I have done to show that it's perfectly fine to make conversations with people in the world because I do not think my actions of talking to people is an opinion, I think of it as actions. It is very much possible to have both those thoughts because it is two different conversations being made to two different people. @JimmieC I'm glad you've upgraded from making your friends read your TL posts to just laughing at TL posts by yourself. It's real growth, and I commend you for it. | ||
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JimmiC
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On August 06 2017 07:12 JimmiC wrote: Shockingly i can do both. Do you talk just to hear yourself speak the same why you type? So many characters to say basically nothing. Moved the goal posts and mischaracterized my posts over and over, but im sure your aware of this. My apologies for the misunderstanding--but I thought you were telling the truth when you said you were done talking? It's really hard to understand your stance when you keep jumping in on conversations I'm not having with you after you say you're done talking to me. It makes it really confusing to differentiate when you're being honest and when you're just espousing bullshit tough-guy talk. For clarity--is this your attempt to start a conversation with me or your attempt to jump into a conversation I'm having with a different poster? Please be clear. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
EDIT: There is no confusion here. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On August 06 2017 08:12 Ghostcom wrote: Could you two idiots take it in PMs? I'm confused too. I was talking to AboutSV before JimmieC jumped in. Hence why I was clarifying why he butted in. | ||
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JimmiC
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Zambrah
United States7316 Posts
On August 06 2017 01:53 JimmiC wrote: from a completely practical point of view it is probably better to work your ass off at whatever it is that your skill set allows you to do, save like a mad man by keeping your expenses painfully low. Then "retire" at 35-40 and pursue art for the rest of life at that point. Going in the other direction is going to be very hard. If that is not for you and you didn't happen to be born wealthy I suggest marrying rich. Oh, don't you worry, I earned that 100K in debt from my BACHELOR'S! Forgetting entirely grad school.  You should see what the people who arent poor and didnt have lots of scholarships were paying, *cough it was about a quarter of a million fucking dollars cough* | ||
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JimmiC
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On August 06 2017 12:21 Zambrah wrote: Oh, don't you worry, I earned that 100K in debt from my BACHELOR'S! Forgetting entirely grad school. You should see what the people who arent poor and didnt have lots of scholarships were paying, *cough it was about a quarter of a million fucking dollars cough* It really depends what you define as successful and what you define as art. I've known many people who work full or semi-full time while spending three weeks of the month spending all their free days sculpting/painting/rehearsing while selling/performing one show a month. Does that count? Or are you limiting yourself to a binary of either completely rich without art or completely impoverished with art? Because I know of many people are able to leverage their degrees to both work while doing art at the same time; so I don't see how you wouldn't be able to do that either? Assuming of course you don't find a job which has some use for artistic types--branding, marketing, communications, design, events, etc... and that's just counting boring corporate jobs. Many more come up when you start digging deeper. So really--before you continue, maybe you should ask yourself what it means to be an artist and what it means to be successful. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7316 Posts
Also what it means to be an artist is nothing, everyone is and has been an artist, being an artist isn't hard, it takes almost no effort, I'm already an artist, Id wager every living person in this thread is an artist because when they were kids they drew pictures with crayons of god knows what (I knew I was drawing Dragonball Z), the important part is if you're a good artist, and since I work in the commercial sector of art its not really that hard to determine what makes a good artist: technical skill (anatomy, perspective), program knowledge (Photoshop, Zbrush, etc.), and then the weirder X-factor of design which can really be compared to research. Also fuck working a day job, if I have to live my life with 3D art being my hobby I'm firmly of the opinion that thats not a life I'd consider worth living, if my end goal isnt a full time 3D job then I might as well throw myself down a canyon, 'cause my life would pretty much be miserable. | ||
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Yurie
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Just because you can't work your preferred job doesn't mean life will be shit. You spend less than half your time at work. You can also switch to other work later on. A lot of people now a days switch every 2-3 years without it being strange, shorter cycles happen as well but isn't all that nice for companies unless it is for specific projects. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
Don't stress so much over what direction you think your life should take. There is no point in making a detailed 5 year plan as unpredictable opportunities will arise which will take you in completely new directions. You should definitely have an end-goal, but be willing to compromise on the way you take there. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On August 06 2017 23:12 Yurie wrote: A quick note. Most jobs are fully bearable and can be partly fun. I worked as a fork lift operator for a few years and while that was not exactly fun it wasn't unbearable and had its moments where it worked out just fine. Mostly you just did your work and time passed. Just because you can't work your preferred job doesn't mean life will be shit. You spend less than half your time at work. You can also switch to other work later on. A lot of people now a days switch every 2-3 years without it being strange, shorter cycles happen as well but isn't all that nice for companies unless it is for specific projects.This isn't as universal as you think. I would consider doing a boring job complete hell even for a short time, possibly hours. Not that my job is all fun and games, but at least I don't give it that much time and I try to avoid the boring parts as much as I can. I also disagree with "less then half" - I sleep 8 or more hours a day, when commute and other logistics gets included, working 8 hours a day would leave me with very little free time. Thank goodness I don't do that and hopefully never will. | ||
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Yurie
11857 Posts
On August 07 2017 05:03 opisska wrote: This isn't as universal as you think. I would consider doing a boring job complete hell even for a short time, possibly hours. Not that my job is all fun and games, but at least I don't give it that much time and I try to avoid the boring parts as much as I can. I also disagree with "less then half" - I sleep 8 or more hours a day, when commute and other logistics gets included, working 8 hours a day would leave me with very little free time. Thank goodness I don't do that and hopefully never will. I don't include the commute in the work hours. If I was going by bus or rail it would be time I could spend reading or similar. Even many people that bike or drive to work listen to audio books (bad idea in most cases). So a normal 40 hour work week is 5 days. You have 16 hours on saturday + sunday. Then even if you include a long 1h commute you have 6 hours on weekdays. So 46 hours of free time excluding the commute vs 40 hours working. Any activity that you try your best at requires enough focus to not make it mind-numbingly boring. After a while it is a question of mental state more than the work itself, at least for me. | ||
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AbouSV
Germany1278 Posts
Going on a hike is undoable after work for instance. Whereas is you can skip an afternoon and adapt your morning around it for instance, then it's much more interesting. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On August 06 2017 22:49 Zambrah wrote: Easy, being successful is making enough money to support a fair apartment, a fair car, and a fair quality of food and life while working a full time job doing something related to my degree, be it biomedical 3D, military training videos, or some sort of graphic design. Also what it means to be an artist is nothing, everyone is and has been an artist, being an artist isn't hard, it takes almost no effort, I'm already an artist, Id wager every living person in this thread is an artist because when they were kids they drew pictures with crayons of god knows what (I knew I was drawing Dragonball Z), the important part is if you're a good artist, and since I work in the commercial sector of art its not really that hard to determine what makes a good artist: technical skill (anatomy, perspective), program knowledge (Photoshop, Zbrush, etc.), and then the weirder X-factor of design which can really be compared to research. Also fuck working a day job, if I have to live my life with 3D art being my hobby I'm firmly of the opinion that thats not a life I'd consider worth living, if my end goal isnt a full time 3D job then I might as well throw myself down a canyon, 'cause my life would pretty much be miserable. If you would rather kill yourself than do a super specific type of 3D art, I would hate to see what happens to you should trends, styles, or budgets shift. I am of the opinion that the goal in life is being part of the world, and on your free time you allow yourself to be selfish to do what you wish--be it art, hobbies, or nothing. Whether I live or die does not depend on whether or not I was born in an economy, technological age, or location that allows me to do a super specific thing that I happen to enjoy. | ||
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