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United States6531 Posts
On May 10 2011 13:13 mOnion wrote: Aspergers is another story of course because its SIGNIFICANTLY more mild, and I would appreciate it if the OP would change the bolded text to read aspergers. Done. | ||
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
I was pretty convinced that they were full of shit since they had noting to back up their claims but unfortunately I had a huge amounts of tests done spanning over ~4months or so and well now I have to buckle down to the evidence. On the other hand it wont change anything in my life and it'll continue to be kinda fubar. Sure the diagnosis is easy to get but then what? | ||
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
TY ima pm you real quick | ||
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Believer
Sweden212 Posts
Yes. My mother and several of my female friends work in the mental health sector and they all feel this diagnosis is a very vague and as you say, "catch-all" diagnosis. A few of my friends have mental disorders of some form, none of them appear as extreme as you might think from the criteria to be diagnosed with this. Only one of whom I know have severe Aspbergers, it was my ex girlfriend's brother. He was functional up to a certain point, he couldn't let people very close to his personal space and required to work on his music for almost all of his days. If someone is unaware, autism/aspbergers persons often have a special area of expertise where they feel very comfortable and excel at. His was music and he rarely spoke. My point is; There are varying degrees of all of the diagnosises we have. Are we more keen on picking up those who are on the very edge of each diagnosis now? Or have we just resorted to that each time a child is behaving somewhat out of the ordinary? Very good OP, thank you. | ||
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GrapeD
Canada679 Posts
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SlipperySnake
248 Posts
I feel like in the past there was a lot of ignorance on the subject which undoubtedly has led to more awareness but I am just not sure of what the current state of diagnoses is. I am more of the opinion that if the medication is helping people and it is given by a legitimate doctor than I will trust it. Good thread, I didn't go in knowing a lot about the topic. | ||
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Pandorac
United States32 Posts
Never her fault, always "because I have ADD" Part of why she is my ex... | ||
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Captain Mayhem
Sweden774 Posts
As far as I can tell, she has plenty of friends and no difficulties socially. It's an easy way to explain (read: blame) your inability to make friends. It makes the person sensitive and unempathic(?). And of course, with aspbergers you're automatically "smarter" than the rest. Another way to explain that, however, would be laziness, expecting friends to drop out from the sky, and an excuse to be mean and/or selfish towards others. And probably not much smarter than anyone else either. But the symptoms are similar, so hey. Not trying to shit on those who really do suffer from it (seen autism in real life, it's pretty horrible...), but seriously. Many of those who claim they have it, have never gone to a doctor to check. When they say they have, they probably mean one of those online things. And even if they have, as you say, quite a lot of them are probably misdiagnosed as well. By the way, according to most of those studies, I'm apparently also extremely likely to suffer from aspbergers. Wouldn't you know it. | ||
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
While i'm sure that there are quite a lot of cases of true aspergers/autism/add, i am very sure it's overdiagnosed because it's easier to say "something is wrong with him" than "something is wrong with his parents" or "something is wrong with the people in his environment". I was in a situation where i would have surely been diagnosed with aspergers, mostly because i had at most a single friend, but some people later admitted to mostly picking on or avoiding me because they felt dumb compared to me, so it wasn't that something was wrong with me, i was just more intelligent than they were, which made me a social outcast with no chance to develop social skills, empathy, etc. | ||
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BrTarolg
United Kingdom3574 Posts
Aspergers is what you would describe as someone being "high up on the autistic spectrum" - not someone with autism. I don't know why medical science has described it this way because it is very confusing Most people with aspergers are perfectly happy to engage with other people, and some will do so very readily and willingly.. even if they are to constantly fail. People with aspergers suffer no real learning difficulties academically People with autism usually do not enjoy social interaction at all and have severe learning difficulties that extend far beyond a social spectrum, and is as monion described, a direct form of mental retardation People who say "you're just using it as an excuse cause you don't fit in" should be shot. No - people like THAT are the problem in society, people that constantly demand everyone fit an ideological social norm and that anyone outside of that simply doesn't "fit in" If people, especially adolescents, were more willing to accept people of a wide variety of personalities, including that of a minority, then there wouldn't be a problem in the first place | ||
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ni5th7
Sweden6 Posts
Here's a link to the proposed revision for ASD: Autism DSM-V And one about Asperger's removal: Asperger's DSM-V | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
I think their existence is a little bit problematic though, since a lot of people just read some description of the syndrome and then decide they have it. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
i just feel the others are crazy not me  | ||
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Paperplane
Netherlands1823 Posts
On May 10 2011 18:13 Captain Mayhem wrote: Got a friend who says she has aspbergers. Like many others, she did one of those online test-yourself thingies, ended up positive. She has never gone to a doctor to check herself, of course, despite me constantly telling her to. As far as I can tell, she has plenty of friends and no difficulties socially. . Oh wow. Diagnosing yourself through an online test is nothing short of ridiculous. It's those kinds of people who make autism look like an excuse, while it is a real mental illness. | ||
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NeonFox
2373 Posts
On May 10 2011 18:48 BrTarolg wrote: On what monion said, there are also key differences between autism and aspergers, even though there are many similarities Aspergers is what you would describe as someone being "high up on the autistic spectrum" - not someone with autism. I don't know why medical science has described it this way because it is very confusing Most people with aspergers are perfectly happy to engage with other people, and some will do so very readily and willingly.. even if they are to constantly fail. People with aspergers suffer no real learning difficulties academically People with autism usually do not enjoy social interaction at all and have severe learning difficulties that extend far beyond a social spectrum, and is as monion described, a direct form of mental retardation People who say "you're just using it as an excuse cause you don't fit in" should be shot. No - people like THAT are the problem in society, people that constantly demand everyone fit an ideological social norm and that anyone outside of that simply doesn't "fit in" If people, especially adolescents, were more willing to accept people of a wide variety of personalities, including that of a minority, then there wouldn't be a problem in the first place I'm a bit at a loss here, most of what is described in here seems like an autist is someone who has trouble relating to others and socialazing, or doing so but not feeling it. But a lot of persons are like that naturally, the few autists I met where much different than that, not willing to talk at all to anybody they didn't know, not responding to them if talked to, and having to "accept" you before aknowledging you even exist. I'm very ignorant on the matter, I don't know the different scales and forms of autism. This is not a critique falling into your "you're just using it as an excuse cause you don't fit in" description but a question on how those different forms differentiate. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
There is just a very, very wide spectrum. Some people are barely Autistic at all. Some people are extremely Autistic. I guess people in this thread would be happier if people who were borderline Autism spectrum were not diagnosed... but again, what is the point? There is no treatment. There is no drug cure. The only thing a diagnosis does is raise self-awareness of your own potential problems. You never even have to tell anyone. There is no harm in the diagnosis at all. ADHD is an entirely different story and you shouldn't try to lump it into this topic. | ||
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Paperplane
Netherlands1823 Posts
On May 10 2011 19:32 dcemuser wrote: Autism is under-diagnosed, honestly. There is just a very, very wide spectrum. Some people are barely Autistic at all. Some people are extremely Autistic. I guess people in this thread would be happier if people who were borderline Autism spectrum were not diagnosed... but again, what is the point? There is no treatment. There is no drug cure. The only thing a diagnosis does is raise self-awareness of your own potential problems. You never even have to tell anyone. There is no harm in the diagnosis at all. ADHD is an entirely different story and you shouldn't try to lump it into this topic. Couldn't say it any better then this myself. | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
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dibban
Sweden1279 Posts
Alot of kids get diagnosed simply because they find our school system to be dull. Todays information and technology society engage and stimulate our minds every second of our day, whereas the school system is the only institution still stuck in the unindividualistic and (now) unmodern ways of the 1900s. How can one living today not have a very strong interest in stuff other than school? We need to come up with new ways to teach by using technology to its full potential, not simply as a mere tool. Books out, technology creativity and individualism in, the end of this almost archaic era. A better school system, as thats often where the initial concerns of an eventual diagnosis starts, and I think these misdiagnoses will solve themselves. | ||
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