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Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 13:51:06
May 10 2011 00:27 GMT
#1
I was diagnosed with autism (specifically, Asperger's Syndrome) at a young age, and never really thought about it much until recently. I mean, I was aware that I was a bit different from most kids, but I was relatively okay with what I perceived to be a fairly innocuous and "lucky" disorder to get. My logic behind it was that, compared to conditions like muscular dystrophy or cerebral palsy, I was getting off easy on the "How much did life shit on you?" scale, and I tended not to dwell on it, instead focusing on the traits that I had gained from Asperger's (high overall intelligence and the like).

About a year or so ago, however, I began to notice news stories in the newspapers every now and then about how "common" autism might be. I read a good deal of reports about how autism might be "on the rise", or that the diagnosis itself is readdressed to establish a new definition for the disorder. On top of that, I have kept in touch with the special education teacher that presided at my old middle school, and she reports that more and more kids with a diagnosis of autism have been enrolled in her class every passing year.

To me, it seems that autism in general, and Asperger's in particular, is in a sense, "in vogue". It seems like a convenient catch-all diagnosis that medical personnel are tossing around toward anyone who exhibits even mild symptoms or attributes associated with the disorder. I'm not too comfortable with that; I don't feel that it's good practice to have this sort of "safety net" disorder to adequately label oddball kids. Of course, some people do possess autism, but recent times portray it as more and more common.

From a medical writer with the Associated Press:

A study in South Korea suggests about 1 in 38 children have traits of autism, higher than a previous U.S. estimate of 1 in 100.

By casting a wider net and looking closely at mainstream children, the researchers expected to find a higher rate of autism characteristics. But they were surprised at how high the rate was. They don't think South Korea has more children with autism than the United States, but instead that autism often goes undiagnosed in many nations. U.S. estimates are based on education and medical records, not the more time-consuming survey conducted in South Korea.

Two-thirds of the children with autism traits in the study were in the mainstream school population, hadn't been diagnosed before and weren't getting any special services. Many of those undiagnosed children likely have mild social impairments, rather than more severe autism.

"It doesn't mean all of a sudden there are more new children with (autism spectrum disorders)," said co-author Dr. Young-Shin Kim of the Yale Child Study Center. "They have been there all along, but were not counted in previous prevalence studies."
It's not clear whether the children need special services or not, other experts said.
"I'm sure some of these children probably could benefit from intervention, but I don't think we could make a statement that all would benefit from intervention," said Dr. Marshalyn Yeargin-Allsopp, chief of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's developmental disabilities branch.

The CDC wasn't involved in the new study, although another federal agency, the National Institute of Mental Health, provided some funding. The group, Autism Speaks, which advocates for more aggressive autism screening, also helped pay for the study. Autism Speaks had no role in the study's design.

The research, published Monday in the American Journal of Psychiatry, attempted to screen all 55,000 schoolchildren, ages 7 to 12, in a district of Goyang City, near Seoul.
However, only about two-thirds of mainstream children participated. About 63 percent of their parents filled out a survey. The researchers acknowledged that parents of affected children might be more likely to fill out the survey.

The questionnaire used is a recognized screening tool for high-functioning autism such as Asperger's syndrome. It asks such questions as whether the child "stands out as different" in a number of ways, including lacking empathy, lacking best friends and being bullied by other children.

From there, some of the children who screened positive were tested further. Very few of the children actually completed the entire diagnosis process. But the researchers say they still were able to use the findings to estimate that about 2.6 percent of the population had some autism traits — compared to the U.S. estimate of 1 percent.
The ambitious study took five years to complete. The U.S. government's approach is quicker and allows more ongoing results, Yeargin-Allsopp said.

"Community providers, researchers and others are interested in prevalence of autism on a frequent basis," Yeargin-Allsopp said. "This is not possible if you're doing a screening of an entire population" as was attempted by the South Korean researchers.

Other funders of the study were Children's Brain Research Foundation and the George Washington University Institute for Ethnographic Research.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110509/ap_on_he_me/us_med_autism_study

This article surprised me, but also left me skeptical. 1 autistic out of 100 people as an estimate in the U.S. is already fairly difficult to believe, but 1 out of 38? To me, this statistic feels inflated, as if the definition for autism is too broad and is being applied to too many individuals.

In particular reference to Asperger's Syndrome, the World Health Organization (WHO) seems to have unusually loose requirements for diagnosis, which is odd to me. To qualify for a diagnosis of AS, the following must be met:

A. A lack of any clinically significant general delay in spoken or receptive language or cognitive development. Diagnosis requires that single words should have developed by two years of age or earlier and that
communicative phrases be used by three years of age or earlier. Self-help skills, adaptive behaviour and curiosity about the environment during the first three years should be at a level consistent with normal intellectual development. However, motor milestones may be somewhat delayed and motor clumsiness is usual (although not a necessary diagnostic feature). Isolated special skills, often related to abnormal preoccupations, are common, but are not required for diagnosis.

B. Qualitative abnormalities in reciprocal social interaction (criteria as for autism).

C. An unusually intense circumscribed interest or restricted, repetitive, and stereotyped patterns of behaviour, interests and activities (criteria as for autism; however it would be less usual for these to include either motor mannerisms or preoccupations with part- objects or non-functional elements of play materials).

This set of criteria is quite vague and abstract. I am aware that mental conditions are often subject to nuance (being, as they are, entirely internal and not superficial), but with this set of conditions, I could probably diagnose about 50 of my friends. That's ridiculous. One of my friends is very interested in cars, and is a bit shy, so apparently that makes him eligible for AS. Where does one draw the line, anyway?

It's all very confusing.

So, TeamLiquid, what it comes down to is this: Do you feel that Asperger's Syndrome, along with other mental disorders such as ADD, are being "overdiagosed" to try and excessively label individuals that may not even have them? Is this rash of diagnosis for these conditions due to medical criteria that are simply too wide? Is this some widespread pharmaceutical scam to sell more prescription pills? *puts on tinfoil cap*

I made this thread partly because I'm genuinely interested in finding an answer to this, but I also want to know what you guys think. I could just go Google my way to victory, but I feel that input from you guys is far more varied and valuable.

EDIT: Thanks for the responses so far, guys. It's good to see varying perspectives on this. By all means, if you think I'm full of shit, let me know. I'm reading every post, and while I can't respond to all of them, I am definitely thinking about each one.

Also, Paperplane gives a more thorough set of criteria for diagnosis of autism; I suggest you read it.


On May 10 2011 22:34 Paperplane wrote:
Here's the DSM criteria for diagnosis. It's a little bit more than just shy and very interested in cars.

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Diagnostic Criteria for Autistic Disorder

A. A total of six (or more) items from (1), (2), and (3), with at least two from (1), and one each from (2) and (3)

(1) qualitative impairment in social interaction, as manifested by at least two of the following:

(a) marked impairment in the use of multiple nonverbal behaviors such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body postures, and gestures to regulate social interaction
(b) failure to develop peer relationships appropriate to developmental level
(c) a lack of spontaneous seeking to share enjoyment, interests, or achievements with other people (e.g., by a lack of showing, bringing, or pointing out objects of interest)
(d) lack of social or emotional reciprocity

(2) qualitative impairments in communication as manifested by at least one of the following:

(a) delay in, or total lack of, the development of spoken language (not accompanied by an attempt to compensate through alternative modes of communication such as gesture or mime)
(b) in individuals with adequate speech, marked impairment in the ability to initiate or sustain a conversation with others
(c) stereotyped and repetitive use of language or idiosyncratic language
(d) lack of varied, spontaneous make-believe play or social imitative play appropriate to developmental level

(3) restricted repetitive and stereotyped patterns of behavior, interests and activities, as manifested by at least one of the following:

(a) encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity or focus
(b) apparently inflexible adherence to specific, nonfunctional routines or rituals
(c) stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms (e.g., hand or finger flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body movements)
(d) persistent preoccupation with parts of objects

B. Delays or abnormal functioning in at least one of the following areas, with onset prior to age 3 years: (1) social interaction, (2) language as used in social communication, or (3) symbolic or imaginative play

C. The disturbance is not better accounted for by Rett's Disorder or Childhood Disintegrative Disorder.
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rapidash88
Profile Joined March 2011
United States194 Posts
May 10 2011 00:29 GMT
#2
Yes, I think so. Its an easy way out for everyone involved--the kids, parents, and teachers all then have excuses for the rest of their lives. Its overused in some cases, especially since you sound like a very competent person indeed.
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stevarius
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1394 Posts
May 10 2011 00:30 GMT
#3
It seems highly plausible that these disorders are overdiagnosed, but my real question here is:


Do YOU currently display the symptoms of Asperger's Syndrome that was diagnosed when you were a kid or was it merely convenient given your behavior at that age?
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bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
May 10 2011 00:31 GMT
#4
I'd say full-blown autism isn't overdiagnosed. It's just that the "spectrum" has been extended a bit too far.

As for the drug conspiracy, as far as I know there aren't any drugs prescribed for Asperger's?
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Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
May 10 2011 00:34 GMT
#5
On May 10 2011 09:30 stevarius wrote:
It seems highly plausible that these disorders are overdiagnosed, but my real question here is:


Do YOU currently display the symptoms of Asperger's Syndrome that was diagnosed when you were a kid or was it merely convenient given your behavior at that age?

To be honest, I don't know. I certainly felt that I possessed those traits as an adolescent, but now, I find myself interacting and behaving pretty much the exact same way other people do it. However, the reason for that might be based on me being able to subconsciously hide my inabilities and adapt to the situation by mimicking what I perceive to be "normal" behavior.

On the other hand, on those occasions where I forget to take the pills prescribed to me, I feel the influence of my diagnosis far more. Whether this is from Asperger's itself, the placebo effect, the effects of a whole other disorder, or simple hyperactivity is unknown to me, and it would probably be a good idea for me to confirm this somehow.

To answer your question the best way I can, I feel that the diagnosis was convenient when I was young, but I honestly don't know if it still applies.
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pikaaarrr :3
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States593 Posts
May 10 2011 00:34 GMT
#6
I think ADD is one of those disorders that is super excessively diagnosed. I go to a small, college-prep private school and to me, it seems that an unreasonably large proportion of our population gets extended time due to ADD, dyslexia, dysgraphia, and other cognitive disorders. I find it hard to believe that such a proportion is really true amongst the whole population.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35172 Posts
May 10 2011 00:34 GMT
#7
Yes, yes, a thousand times yes.
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
May 10 2011 00:35 GMT
#8
On May 10 2011 09:31 bonifaceviii wrote:
I'd say full-blown autism isn't overdiagnosed. It's just that the "spectrum" has been extended a bit too far.

As for the drug conspiracy, as far as I know there aren't any drugs prescribed for Asperger's?

The drug thing was a pretty lame joke. However, there are several medications to help suppress some symptoms of it, such as Concerta and Respidol. Maybe they're not used in every case, I'm not sure, but I do take those and another medicine.
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shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
May 10 2011 00:38 GMT
#9
Pretty much every mental disorder is characterized by a long list of somewhat vague symptoms that could apply to almost anyone. This is why your average joe should not try to diagnose a mental disorder, and yet here we are with unqualified doctors doing precisely that.

"Girl, Interrupted" is a pretty good book that kind of makes this point in a subtle way. Girl is relatively normal, but has some dysfunctions: A general lack of ambition, disinterest in the world around her, apathy, blunt social behavior. Ding, ding! Mental disorder, send her to the institution for crazy people.
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TALegion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1187 Posts
May 10 2011 00:39 GMT
#10
I don't have any education on the subject, but just based off of reports such as these, that's what it sounds like.
It must be hard to diagnose anything that not as simple as being physical or can tested with certainty. Where does a person stop being moderately different and start having a disorder?

Like, I look at the statistic 1/100, and I find that hard to believe. 1/30 is ridiculous. I can't even imagine something like that.
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mAKiTO
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Colombia4171 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 00:46:33
May 10 2011 00:44 GMT
#11
you state that you did seem to think you were different than other kids, what made you feel that one? how are you different?

I know very little on the subject, I have only met a couple of autistic kids while working for a chiropractor, but they were pretty bad(and saw wonders of what the chiro adjustments did) , and judging by how you write and communicate yourself on here you seem to be pretty normal nothing compared with those kids that I met.

did you feel you couldve been in normal classes instead of special ed in middle school or high school?

very interesting subject btw

edit: now remembering , I spoke with the Chiropractor couple of times about the subject, and he was very alarmed at the rate of how many more cases are seen today compared to even just 5 years ago. He has many theorys ranging from vaccines and the food we are ingesting
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puckstop101
Profile Joined September 2008
Canada132 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 00:57:32
May 10 2011 00:48 GMT
#12
I was diagnosed as well with Asperger syndrome when i was younger. In relative terms I was one of the first of the kids diagnosed with it, 1993. In terms of medicine, i was on respidol for about 10 years, but i never liked how i felt on it. It made me feel less intelligent then i actually was, it did help with behavior problems i had, but i felt almost like i was floating sometimes, I don't mean like a high form drugs or anything, but..... man its hard to explain it really.

In terms of the 1 to 100 or something, i always hoped that was wrong because I never wanted anyone to go though school or growing up like i did. I defiantly feel like that is a higher estimate then it actually is, Given in a town if 75000 there were only like 25-30 kids with asperger syndrome

Edit: A couple people are asking what exactly are the symptoms of Asperger syndrome? It varies form person to person, but for me personnly, I had a very hard time being social with other kids growing up. I've always had problems with body language, even to this day and 'm 21 now. It has gotten better but there are plenty of times where i just miss signs your showing me, or not being able to tell whats going on. this made is very hard is school to making friends as i was constantly annoying people, so i was always an outsider growing up in school. I'm a very anti social person nowadays where i only have a few really good friends that i hang out with. I always been highly motivated in 1-2 subjects and absolute crap in others. I also have big problems with routine changes when i was younger. I'm better now with it, but it does annoy me sometimes.
mAKiTO
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Colombia4171 Posts
May 10 2011 00:49 GMT
#13
what type of behavior problems did you have? if you dont mind me asking
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45432 Posts
May 10 2011 00:50 GMT
#14
I think ADD definitely is. When you go into the field of teaching, you find out that a ridiculous number of your kids need an IEP for... being energetic, off-the-wall, and occasionally bored.
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bigjenk
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1543 Posts
May 10 2011 00:51 GMT
#15
I think it is as mild aspergers is roughly the equivalent of mild social anxiety. Sort of filling the trend of if the shoe might kind of maybe fit then we will tape it to your foot.
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BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 00:52:51
May 10 2011 00:51 GMT
#16
Its a spectrum, some people have it more than others
There are key and specific defining characteristics of it and the more boxes you tick, the further along the spectrum you are
Thats all there is to it really.

Having said that, society should be more accepting of people who are on that end of the autistic spectrum. It is very common that the further down you are, the more likely you are to be bullied, ostracised, and shunned by general society, especially as a young child. The further down you are, the slower your social and emotional development is going to be, and it affects your life adversely.

So no, it isn't just an "excuse" - that's just the way some people are. Some people find it difficult to socialise and empathise with how others feel. If more people could be understanding of that and be nice to each other regardless instead of using these people as easy targets, then there wouldn't be a problem in the first place

Some people on the high end of the autistic spectrum get better and develop socially, but slowly, in their own special, logical and reasoned way. Often they use their unique disposition to their advantage in life
Some people never get exposed to their own functions or dysfunctions and thus never really get to do anything about it. Some just don't know how or what to do about it.

---

So no, it is not just a joke problem that one can be ignored. In fact, it shouldn't be viewed as a problem in the first place
As far as I care, anything that causes society to be more accepting and understanding of a wider variety of personalities, and not constantly demand that of the purist extrovert is a good path to follow.

edit: it also ruined the majority of my childhood. Nothing hurts more than people just hating you and not understanding why, or what you have done.
Myrtroll
Profile Joined December 2010
139 Posts
May 10 2011 00:51 GMT
#17
If the diagnose helps, let them have it. It's a personal thing, and you can't draw anything concise from that statistic. You don't know their situation, how the support system works for them in their location etc. Maybe some of them might be better off without it, but that's not really anything we can tell from reading newspapers and looking at statistics. I'd rather people have a wrong diagnosis and get the help they need, than them not getting one and suffer because of it.

It's easy to forget about the human factor when just looking at numbers, but that's the most important thing when discussing this subject. If you think they are overdiagnosing, challenge the science itself, though I guess that's hard to do unless you major in psychology or something.
Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
May 10 2011 00:52 GMT
#18
On May 10 2011 09:44 mAKiTO wrote:
you state that you did seem to think you were different than other kids, what made you feel that one? how are you different?

I know very little on the subject, I have only met a couple of autistic kids while working for a chiropractor, but they were pretty bad(and saw wonders of what the chiro adjustments did) , and judging by how you write and communicate yourself on here you seem to be pretty normal nothing compared with those kids that I met.

did you feel you couldve been in normal classes instead of special ed in middle school or high school?

very interesting subject btw

As a kid, I was far more introverted than everyone else. Pretty much all through grade school, I avoided social contact because I felt I didn't really need it; I was much more at ease just being by myself or with a couple of close friends, talking about relevant subjects, reading books, telling jokes, etc. I guess my social life in grade school was a drastically miniaturized version of your standard Joe Schmoe, in that I conversed normally with the few friends I had (about three or four), but far more often than not, I'd be playing on my DS, playing memory games, solving crossword puzzles, and all that. I did not react well to social stimuli from those I didn't know very well, so I tended to avoid them if at all possible. I was also a gigantic dick to people I disliked, and wasn't afraid to tell them that they were total sacks of shit. Mostly because I'm a blunt kind of person (I tell things like it is, and I despise euphemisms), but that sort of attitude led to other people describing me as strange.

As for normal classes, I definitely feel that I could be enrolled in / excel in them. It wasn't my choice to be able to do that, though, because at least in the US, children diagnosed with any sort of mental disorder that makes them eligible for special education are automatically assigned an IEP (individual education program). The IEP is basically law, and as a child, you don't get to argue with it. At least in my case, I had no say in what went in it, and it was basically my mother and several special education teachers that decided my curriculum. Sure, I was allowed at those meetings and was supposedly given a say, but I don't think any of my feedback was really taken into consideration; many of the entries I openly rejected were included anyway, while many suggestions I gave were not included.
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Fyodor
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada971 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 00:55:41
May 10 2011 00:54 GMT
#19
Is there such a thing as people that are appropriately described as aspies? Yes, absolutely.

How many are there? Boring and stupid question IMO. It's just statistics and nobody here can have any input of value. (I would presume)

Is X number inflated for convenience? Now that's a really, really stupid question. It's a statement about the motivations of the people making the statistics or the people making the diagnoses. Impossible to discuss this rationally.

PS: No medication is prescribed along with ASDs.
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Archas
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6531 Posts
May 10 2011 00:55 GMT
#20
On May 10 2011 09:51 Myrtroll wrote:
If the diagnose helps, let them have it. It's a personal thing, and you can't draw anything concise from that statistic. You don't know their situation, how the support system works for them in their location etc. Maybe some of them might be better off without it, but that's not really anything we can tell from reading newspapers and looking at statistics. I'd rather people have a wrong diagnosis and get the help they need, than them not getting one and suffer because of it.

It's easy to forget about the human factor when just looking at numbers, but that's the most important thing when discussing this subject. If you think they are overdiagnosing, challenge the science itself, though I guess that's hard to do unless you major in psychology or something.

Yes, but who's to say that they really need it? Like DarkPlasmaBall said, so many kids get IEPs nowadays for pretty fucking inane things. Who's to say that these diagnoses are helping anyone? Could it be that they're just band-aids for lack of a better description?
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