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On September 16 2011 21:24 Kickboxer wrote:
Call me ignorant (and I'm sure you will) but I find it rather unusual how 80% of these disorders didn't exist five decades ago. Seems like their astronomic rise is directly proportional to the number of shrinks out there... reminds me of viruses and anti-virus companies.
Ok, some people absolutely do have severe mental problems, but your average quirky kid is just that. Feeding young children with chemistry and telling them they have all kinds of disorders doesn't sound terribly constructive.
They actually didn't exist 5 decades ago. Autism and asperger have been recently discovered, before they thought the children were just retarded.
I don't know about asperger and autism, but I can tell you from personal experience that you can treat moderate to severe depression with nothing but a good dose of martial arts (discipline), music and fresh air.
Oh boy, this is so wrong I don't know where to begin. Those all HELP treat depression,you can't treat severe depression with just those 3.
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friend of mine has assburglers,OP was in same class with him, and hes sick smart when he wants to (plus side about it) yeah also anti-social is common with assburglers.
so the last time i heard from him,or any of my friends heard from him. was like... 5 months ago
hes never online he only spends his time at the Tv watching movies.
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Wow, I had no idea about any of this. Personally, I think it's horrible that doctors will just label someone something convenient and then they will have to live the rest of their lives with this "fact" in the back of their mind...
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On September 16 2011 22:04 Schwopzi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 21:56 arbitrageur wrote:
(certain anti-depression medication promotes the growth of new neurons and is experimentally proven to reduce the amount of hippocampus shrinking in long-term depressives). Link to article? Afaik there are no medications that stimulate growth of new neural tissue, only meds that inhibit the degredation of neurons.
The cessation of hippocampus shrinking with meds is proven and the growth of new neurons in mice/rats is proven.
The papers are available in Robert Sapolsky's Stanfard lectures on the neuroscience of depression, available on Youtbe
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I have worked at camp new hope (A camp for the mentally/physically challenged) for about a year now, and most of the kids I have worked with that had Aspergers have shown almost no symptoms. To be honest, if a doctor hadn't told them at a young age they had it I don't think anyone would even notice they are different.
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It is exactly the same with ADD, i know that so many kids in australia get diagnosed with ADD even though they clearly are mildly too not even affected by a chemical imbalance and are just fools with shitty trash parents who don't know how to raise or discipline their kids.
That being said it is sad when these sort of mass diagnosis things happen because it really waters down the credibility of people who actually suffer from disorders or afflictions like autism/add and lead way to alot of scientists/doctors trying to make a name for themselves by completely denouncing such medical diagnosis to make a career out of it. I think its terrible and there should be stricter standards.
If anyone wants to convince me otherwise or has any argument please just PM me.
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On September 16 2011 22:20 arbitrageur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 22:04 Schwopzi wrote:On September 16 2011 21:56 arbitrageur wrote:
(certain anti-depression medication promotes the growth of new neurons and is experimentally proven to reduce the amount of hippocampus shrinking in long-term depressives). Link to article? Afaik there are no medications that stimulate growth of new neural tissue, only meds that inhibit the degredation of neurons. The cessation of hippocampus shrinking with meds is proven and the growth of new neurons in mice/rats is proven. The papers are available in Robert Sapolsky's Stanfard lectures on the neuroscience of depression, available on Youtbe
Well yeah in mice & rats, that i knew ^.^
Just figured I might've missed some important phase 4 paper, but I guess not.
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On September 16 2011 22:41 Schwopzi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 22:20 arbitrageur wrote:On September 16 2011 22:04 Schwopzi wrote:On September 16 2011 21:56 arbitrageur wrote:
(certain anti-depression medication promotes the growth of new neurons and is experimentally proven to reduce the amount of hippocampus shrinking in long-term depressives). Link to article? Afaik there are no medications that stimulate growth of new neural tissue, only meds that inhibit the degredation of neurons. The cessation of hippocampus shrinking with meds is proven and the growth of new neurons in mice/rats is proven. The papers are available in Robert Sapolsky's Stanfard lectures on the neuroscience of depression, available on Youtbe Well yeah in mice & rats, that i knew ^.^ Just figured I might've missed some important phase 4 paper, but I guess not.
What is phase 4?
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On September 16 2011 22:43 arbitrageur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 22:41 Schwopzi wrote:On September 16 2011 22:20 arbitrageur wrote:On September 16 2011 22:04 Schwopzi wrote:On September 16 2011 21:56 arbitrageur wrote:
(certain anti-depression medication promotes the growth of new neurons and is experimentally proven to reduce the amount of hippocampus shrinking in long-term depressives). Link to article? Afaik there are no medications that stimulate growth of new neural tissue, only meds that inhibit the degredation of neurons. The cessation of hippocampus shrinking with meds is proven and the growth of new neurons in mice/rats is proven. The papers are available in Robert Sapolsky's Stanfard lectures on the neuroscience of depression, available on Youtbe Well yeah in mice & rats, that i knew ^.^ Just figured I might've missed some important phase 4 paper, but I guess not. What is phase 4?
When meds are actually on the market, and the general populace using the meds are monitored to discover previously unknown traits of the medication. (ie look mom no arms in the case of softenon, or the stimulation of suicide in depressed patients with most anti-depressants)
Because neuronal growth/degredation processes are long term alterations the likelihood of discovering this increases with time, ergo the assumption of phase 4.
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I`ve been diagnosed with McDD at the age of 4.
That means i have a couple of autistic symptoms like alexithymia, SID and repetitive behavior.
My parents wanted me to go to a special school but my doctor said its best for my development to go to a normal school, turned out pretty well (some exceptions). But i still have trouble keeping my focus, talking to people.
Thats it about me, any questions feel free to PM me.
I have met some people who`ve been diagnosed with classic autism. Most of them posses zero social skill. but some of them seem just a bit weird.
I also have met people who where diagnosed ADD. A couple of them clearly had ADD but the most i met seemed like normal people. The best student in my class has ADD! So i clearly agree that ADD is overdiagnosed. My guess is they tried to get the diagnose because they like the drugs or medicine or they got diagnosed when they were very young (most wrong diagnoses happen then)
Short: When you meet someone with (severe) ADD, you`ll know. When you meet someone who claims he is diagnosed ADD but isnt obvious, be skeptic!
PS: I`m sorry for bad English
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I've read through many posts here about drugs and medication and diagnoses. The thing about autism spectrum disorders (ASD) is that the divisions by which they are diagnosed and classified are still very much in flux.
The other thing to note is that, to date, there is only one intervention that has had any measured and proven success towards improvement. Applied Behavioral Analysis and Intensive Behavioral Intervention.
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I agree with the OP, I really think aspergers shouldn't really be a disorder, it pretty much describes almost anyone who is introverted or with poor social skills. I used to live next door to an autistic girl, she had severe problems and obsessions, and it was clearly an impediment to a normal life.
But aspergers is much much milder problem, an it feels to me as ludicrous as labeling anyone who is ugly as having a disorder. Sure its a disadvantage in life, but I mean some people are just born with poor social skills, same as some are born ugly, I don't think we can start naming everyone who gets an unfortunate gene as having a disorder, and then giving them an excuse to escape real world responsibilities because of it.
I wouldn't be surprised if I got diagnosed with aspergers if I went to get tested, but honestly, I feel it really doesn't matter. Yeah I'm antisocial and have trouble understanding social nuances, but I much prefer to try work on my weaknesses than take drugs or use it as an excuse for any failures. Not everyone can be perfect, and I basically think if you're going to use aspergers as a blanket diagnosis you might aswell start making up disorders for kids with crooked teeth, or kids with acne, or kids with bad breathe, or kids with low intelligence etc.etc.etc.
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On September 16 2011 22:53 Disquiet wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if I got diagnosed with aspergers if I went to get tested, but honestly, I feel it really doesn't matter. Yeah I'm antisocial and have trouble understanding social nuances, but I much prefer to try work on my weaknesses than take drugs c.
What drugs are given for aspergers?...
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Severe depression is mental illness, some times lethal. You cant look at it like it was black and white. There are alot of people who really cant shake depression off by going out and listening music. Infact, those people might bring some rope with em the next time they go outside...
The fact that normal person cannot understand this is understandable.
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On September 16 2011 22:59 Hittomogasin wrote:
Severe depression is mental illness, some times lethal. You cant look at it like it was black and white. There are alot of people who really cant shake depression off by going out and listening music. Infact, those people might bring some rope with em the next time they go outside...
The fact that normal person cannot understand this is understandable.
There is still a massive lack of public awareness about mental illness, as well as tons and tons of stigma attached.
Mental illness is no less relevant than a lung or heart illness, and those that suffer from it are looked down upon in a way that disgusts me. (I work in the health care industry)
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On September 16 2011 22:13 rezzan wrote:
friend of mine has assburglers,OP was in same class with him, and hes sick smart when he wants to (plus side about it) yeah also anti-social is common with assburglers.
so the last time i heard from him,or any of my friends heard from him. was like... 5 months ago
hes never online he only spends his time at the Tv watching movies.
Sounds like myself and I'm pretty sure I don't have it. 
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Dr Sheldon Cooper from The Big Bang Theory is the classic Aspergers guy.
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On September 16 2011 23:01 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2011 22:59 Hittomogasin wrote:
Severe depression is mental illness, some times lethal. You cant look at it like it was black and white. There are alot of people who really cant shake depression off by going out and listening music. Infact, those people might bring some rope with em the next time they go outside...
The fact that normal person cannot understand this is understandable. There is still a massive lack of public awareness about mental illness, as well as tons and tons of stigma attached. Mental illness is no less relevant than a lung or heart illness, and those that suffer from it are looked down upon in a way that disgusts me. (I work in the health care industry)
To add: just ask Stephen Fry if he thinks manic depression is a problem. The man is more brilliant most of us combined, yet he has had bad problems with hes mental state all his life, and only at hes later years he discovered he was suffering from bipolar disorder.
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Pretty much all the teens who live in my old neighbourhood (this in UK) have Autistic Spectrum Disorders diagnosed, including my niece. I don't think there is anything at all wrong with them and neither does my partner who is a neuroscience graduate. It's a tough area in a part of UK underdeveloped after industry closing, many of these kids come from 1 parent families etc. I would definitely think that what passes as ASD nowadays was just called personality when I was a kid. It's an insult to real autism cases in a lot of ways. Now I'm sure ASDs exist but throwing a brick through a window because your Mum refused to renew your WoW account doesn't equal ASD.
For my own part I was a total fruitbat when I was younger but very gifted with reading, writing, maths etc. I'm shy but never felt this a problem more than we all have our fair share of. Pretty sure I could have got a government handout for ASD myself if such a thing was commonly known in the 80s. And although I am still weird it is in a good way and I never had problems attracting friends, people think it's cute I suppose. There's nothing wrong with eccentic personalities, and when people get older and out of peer groups it's the eccentric ones that become attractive in some ways as they are interesting. I'm a scientist now and I can tell you there are many freaks here, and they are the cool ones.
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If I was tested when i was younger I would have been diagnosed with autism xD But I'm trying to and am getting better at social interaction, I can imagine a lot of people being mislabeled, and I would be f**king mad if I had been labeled because I can imagine myself back then using it as an excuse. They're basically telling people, your socially inept, don't even bother trying, Being misdiagnosed can have huge affects even if its not a life-threatening disease.
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