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dapanman
Profile Joined September 2010
United States316 Posts
September 16 2011 22:40 GMT
#201
I once had a lawyer mutter to me under her breath during a hearing with school district officials, "I could get a turnip diagnosed with autism."
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 22:44:22
September 16 2011 22:43 GMT
#202
On September 17 2011 07:40 dapanman wrote:
I once had a lawyer mutter to me under her breath during a hearing with school district officials, "I could get a turnip diagnosed with autism."


Realistically, I'd say most autistic children don't even need the diagnosis to get an IEP from school officials.

I wasn't even diagnosed until I was older and I still got an IEP for laptop use because my writing speed is like... indescribably awful.

They can just classify that as "retarded fine motor skills development" or something.
forgottendreams
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1771 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 22:53:43
September 16 2011 22:47 GMT
#203
On September 17 2011 07:37 dcemuser wrote:
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On September 17 2011 07:07 BalancedBreakfast wrote:
the problem with this kind of thinking is that people might not take a real autism diagnosis as seriously. I think it is better to be over-diagnosed rather than under-diagnosed.


That's why Asperger's is defined as "high-functioning autism". Many (most) people with Asperger's live normal lives, they just appear to be a little odd.

"low-functioning autism" are the type you are calling "real autism".


Autism at its core is a social impairment, so all degrees of social impairment have to be covered by it. Whether you don't make eye contact well or you can barely talk and when you do you stutter every word and can't pronounce half the words right and hold your hands at odd angles, you're autistic either way.

Autism has this stigma with it that you have to be a drooling retard slurring every word and walking with your hands at odd angles to be autistic. That really isn't true.

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On September 17 2011 00:16 Zorkmid wrote:
On September 17 2011 00:14 Sablar wrote:
I agree that too much is being diagnosed.

Normality is becoming tighter and everyone is strange in one way or another, and now it seems like most people could be diagnosed with something. The draft of the new DSM-V (diagnostics manual) has revieved critizism because even more people will fall under diagnosis than before. Many seem to believe the pharmaceutical industry is lobbying for this and is partly behind it but I haven't looked into it any more than that myself.

But of course autism can be quite serious and in need of treatment as well. It just seems like things are developing towards being not normal = being sick which is pretty disturbing also in terms of where society is heading. I think things can be a problem for someone without it needing a diagnosis or label, and there are ways to improve without it.


It's not about labeling people as sick. It's about identifying children early on that will require special education in order to learn those behaviors that come naturally to most people. We take things like understanding facial expressions and sarcasm and jokes and appropriateness for granted. Kids in the ASD spectrum need intensive help to GET this stuff.


Exactly. If you have autism you aren't sick, and most medications won't do shit to help you. It's not like they're trying to sell you drugs or anything.

They're just trying to identify children for special programs that TEACH children how to act (because autistic children don't understand interaction without teaching usually whereas other children know it instinctively).


So say in my case my social impairments are severe eye contact problems and having trouble keeping a conversation with only 1 person. I can speak very well to many people, in fact I get often encouraged by groups to do the speaking and when I do I have no problems making eye contact during speeches.

Am I mildly autistic or aspergers?
hotwings
Profile Joined July 2011
42 Posts
September 16 2011 22:49 GMT
#204
Whether you have autism or just plain awkward. WE MUST STICK TOGETHER.

AWKWARD PEOPLE HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
forgottendreams
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1771 Posts
September 16 2011 22:51 GMT
#205
On September 17 2011 07:49 hotwings wrote:
Whether you have autism or just plain awkward. WE MUST STICK TOGETHER.

AWKWARD PEOPLE HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!


lol you just struck a terrible image of an army of autistic people waging war against normal people.

Cannot unsee.
jinheff
Profile Joined February 2011
United States17 Posts
September 16 2011 22:56 GMT
#206
I totally agree with you sir. Look at the way you can write, it's awesome! From what you wrote, you seem like a cool dude. I feel that these conditions might not be over diagnosed, but perhaps overemphasized. (I apparently have add btw). I really don't feel like its a minus for me, it lets me do a ton of stuff with a ton of energy! idk, maybe im crazy, but I think that shit is an advantage lol
Hittomogasin
Profile Joined September 2011
Finland80 Posts
September 16 2011 23:38 GMT
#207
On September 17 2011 07:25 lowercase wrote:
Autism is modern psychology's schizophrenia. Look at all the medical literature in the late 1800s and early 1900s, people were obsessed with schizophrenia, calling it the "mental plague of the modern world." It slowly went out of fashion to be doing research with it, and it was relegated to the back shelves of science. Nowadays we have autism, a "syndrome" that exists in the gaps of our knowledge regarding the inner workings of the human mind. It's as fashionable as schizophrenia ever was, and just as inane, other than functioning as scientific fodder for the production of PhD dissertations.


Whitch is remarkable. It has ushered people like Einstein and Newton into unimaginable brilliance.
Trolling: mental illness or acceptable social phenomena?
ODKStevez
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland1225 Posts
September 16 2011 23:42 GMT
#208
I have aspurgers, really interesting read.
Luppa <3
Sablar
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Sweden880 Posts
September 17 2011 01:36 GMT
#209
On September 17 2011 02:17 forgottendreams wrote:
I have mild autism, I find it extremely hard to look into peoples eyes and randomly zone into social awkwardness without warning that leaves an entire room quiet. No matter how long I've tried to correct the problems it won't fix itself even after years of attempting to look people straight in the eye it always feels strange.

I also focus on things overly so, some years I'm obsessed with different things like say philosophers where I read everyone from Hegel to Marx to Freud to Nietchze by the time I was 15. At 17 I was reading chess every single day and knew Bobby Fischer's 10 or so opening to mid lines for black and white by heart within a week. The obsessions were almost grit my teeth obsessive, like seriously strange and intense beyond words. This left me otherworldly with my peers until college where although I was still ahead literacy wise at least I could meet some challenges.

I believe autism exists on varied levels and that mild autism really does exist. I've never been able to rid myself after years of practice of being able to execute basic social skills and trying to calm myself down from over-reading or over-obsessing about certain things. To say I view as a disadvantage is laughable, socially I may lack but my friends refer to me today as "the prophet" or "the advisor" because of my intellectual skills although when I was young I was viewed as a strange and lone wolf.


I think I could have been diagnosed with something. I just doubt the fact that it would help me. I think that many of my coping skills wouldn't have existed if I went through some kind of special education and blamed my shortcomings on a diagnosis indead of trying to work past it.

I think that abnormality should be praised. It would be awesome.
Sablar
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Sweden880 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-17 01:52:08
September 17 2011 01:46 GMT
#210
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On September 17 2011 08:38 Hittomogasin wrote:
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On September 17 2011 07:25 lowercase wrote:
Autism is modern psychology's schizophrenia. Look at all the medical literature in the late 1800s and early 1900s, people were obsessed with schizophrenia, calling it the "mental plague of the modern world." It slowly went out of fashion to be doing research with it, and it was relegated to the back shelves of science. Nowadays we have autism, a "syndrome" that exists in the gaps of our knowledge regarding the inner workings of the human mind. It's as fashionable as schizophrenia ever was, and just as inane, other than functioning as scientific fodder for the production of PhD dissertations.


Whitch is remarkable. It has ushered people like Einstein and Newton into unimaginable brilliance.


What? Schizophrenia is probably the most validated diagnosis. The strong heredity and the severity of psychosis makes it pretty obvious.

edit. and of course the people previously mentioned weren't afflicted.
Hittomogasin
Profile Joined September 2011
Finland80 Posts
September 17 2011 09:29 GMT
#211
On September 17 2011 10:46 Sablar wrote:
W
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 08:38 Hittomogasin wrote:
On September 17 2011 07:25 lowercase wrote:
Autism is modern psychology's schizophrenia. Look at all the medical literature in the late 1800s and early 1900s, people were obsessed with schizophrenia, calling it the "mental plague of the modern world." It slowly went out of fashion to be doing research with it, and it was relegated to the back shelves of science. Nowadays we have autism, a "syndrome" that exists in the gaps of our knowledge regarding the inner workings of the human mind. It's as fashionable as schizophrenia ever was, and just as inane, other than functioning as scientific fodder for the production of PhD dissertations.


Whitch is remarkable. It has ushered people like Einstein and Newton into unimaginable brilliance.


What? Schizophrenia is probably the most validated diagnosis. The strong heredity and the severity of psychosis makes it pretty obvious.

edit. and of course the people previously mentioned weren't afflicted.


I wasnt talking about schizophrenia, but rather the "fashion" argument of autism.

I meant, that autism as fashion and "the thing to study" is remarkable. It has ushered people like Einstein and Newton into unimaginable brilliance, so instead of being just a fashion and the thing that doctors are worried about, we got mental disease in fashion thats potential for creating and brilliance we cannot even begin to imagine. Quite literally.

Not only are the studies going to help those with severe cases of autism, we may figure out its positive effects and how to artificially generate them. This might lead to new atomic bomb, or it could lead into working theory of everything. I wouldnt mind having new Mozarts or Van Goghs among us either.
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