EPTI think it's great news. He sure had it comming. It's a bad luck they didn't manage to capture him alive as that would have been much bigger. Seeing him defeated would've sent a stronger message.
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Keep it civil guys. Alright I am sick of warning people: Trolling, flame baiting, and derailing will result in insta bans. The same goes for conspiracy theorists and stupidity generally. Confirmation was as follows - On-site DNA test which came back as 99% positive. - photos of face sent to CIA and confirmed with photo analysis - confirmed by 20 year old wife who live in pakistan. This thread is specifically dedicated to the details surrounding the raid/his death. | ||
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Spidinko
Slovakia1174 Posts
I think it's great news. He sure had it comming. It's a bad luck they didn't manage to capture him alive as that would have been much bigger. Seeing him defeated would've sent a stronger message. | ||
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GiantEnemyCrab
Canada503 Posts
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cdhstarbuck
Austria84 Posts
Don't get me wrong, some things are bad - out of the examples above child pornography should be censored in my opinion. However I very rarely see people complain about the censoring of those things. Even more rare are the people who say that the governments are against human rights altogether because of that. Summary: Saying that people are against human rights because they make exceptions in extreme cases is ridiculous. | ||
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DoXa
Switzerland1448 Posts
On May 02 2011 19:57 Fraidnot wrote: Well it weakens al-Qaeda for starters, and acts as an example to others who hope to attack America and get away with it. I'm not sure if it weakens them or make them even stronger. Only time will tell. But if they can get away with it for 10 years they will for sure try it. I'm sure the USA have increased their safety levels alot for the coming 3-4 weeks. Al Qaeda has to proof now, that they are not weaker than before. I just don't see anything positive in this killing besides the symbolic charakter for the american people | ||
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partisan
United States783 Posts
On May 02 2011 20:00 Imres wrote: I think that it'll come with the end of chinese dependance with US's consumation. Then they'll be able to be a solid counterpart and use their position in the security council, but you've a few decades (years? don't think so personnaly) before that happens. What seem silly to me is that some people argue that it is "legal" when it is, in the better case, legitimate. China has some work to do before it can be truly legitimate (I like this word too) leader on the international stage. I'm not concerned with US dominance declining on the world stage as long as any diminished capacity in what we do is picked up by other countries. | ||
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wordd
Australia190 Posts
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-Exalt-
United States972 Posts
On May 02 2011 19:54 Troopi wrote: So you put urself on a par with the jews who suffered in ww2? ... TT I said it would be fucking stupid not a good thing. obv didn't get what I was trying to say, which was you should feel for the people in the war not criticize them blindly for being a bit happy. | ||
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Tyree
1508 Posts
Sadly his death will mean more for this presidential election than "omg he is dead end of terrorism 4ever!". One of Obama's weakness in 08 was that the right attacked him for not being able to defend USA or being "close" to these terrorists, both of those are knocked out and it is going to be difficult for anyone to spin this as anything but success for Obama, people will view this as "Obama did what Bush could not do in 6 years" It is going to be impossible to defeat Obama now in the presidential election unless the Republican candidate is amazingly good, the OBL news is just too much and dems will use this for all its worth. | ||
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zeru
8156 Posts
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Tippereth
United States252 Posts
On May 02 2011 20:00 zatic wrote: If you have a problem with how this site moderated file a complaint in the Website Feedback forum. I was reposting quoted text for bolded emphasis. I do not hold the position quoted. | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On May 02 2011 20:01 fearus wrote: I bet someone is going to claim that $25 Million reward. And be the target for terrorists? It would be pretty stupid. | ||
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Electric.Jesus
Germany755 Posts
a) compared to Hitler Bin Laden was only a minor Pain in the ass. Sure, he killed 3.000 people in the US which is a vicious crime and a human tragedy. But lets face it, Hitler had a whole nation and several allied nations behind him which allowed him to produce death tolls in the millions. Whereas a terrorist can only create the fear of killing people on a grander scale, a tyrant leader of a powerful nation can actually do it. b) Hitlers death was a result of Germany and its allies losing the war. He killed himself because all was lost for the Axis. This is not the case with Bin Laden; his network still exists. This is also the reaons why some people here correctly point out that celebrating Hitler's death was essentially celebrating the end of the war, since Hitler's death was symbolic for that. Bin Ladens death, however, is not equivalent to victory over Al-quaeda (even if the media want to convince you of the oppsite). | ||
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Petruccio
90 Posts
Maybe it is simple fear of not being with the masses. Or maybe it is about a discomfort zone you are getting in if you assume that the authorities may lie. Or maybe just don't care... Today we know that neither Bin Laden nor US government were behind the attacks. At least you may know, if you wish to know. This kind of information cannot come from an official source of information for obvious reason, so you have to do all research yourself because no one can be trusted 100% on this topic. US government, even if did not plan the attacks, now has to hide the truth anyway due to many reasons. The best explanation of the event is found so far is from Dimitri Khalezov. There are many 9/11 conspiracy theories, but this one explains everything and cannot be debunked. You even do not find it on "debunking 9/11 conspiracy" web sites, or here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories, because the best they can do - pretend it does not exist and do not attract attention to it. Book - http://www.dimitri-khalezov-video.com/Dimitri_Khalezov_book_download_Third_Truth_911thology.htm Video (4 hours!, a lot of information) Or simply google "nuclear demolition" to find finally a theory that beats the official and all "truthers" theories. Now I am curious to understand why they "killed" Bin Laden. I doubt he was really killed, do not see ano reason for it at all. He cooperated with CIA all the time. But obviously there is a reason to SAY that he was killed. Why, any thoughts? | ||
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ioldarnech
France36 Posts
On May 02 2011 19:57 Fraidnot wrote: Well it weakens al-Qaeda for starters, and acts as an example to others who hope to attack America and get away with it. Do you actually believe this? History (Algeria, Vietnam, etc.) has repeatedly proven the exact opposite. Added to which AQ is not a centralized, army-like group. | ||
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DoXa
Switzerland1448 Posts
On May 02 2011 20:05 Roggay wrote: And be the target for terrorists? It would be pretty stupid. They for sure have a way to do it anonymously. And it was raised to $50 Million not to long ago. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On May 02 2011 20:01 EternaL_9 wrote: I think the problem is, all of you outside of the US think all of america is celebrating right now.. fucking no. It's on the news. Yeah there's some people on capital hill being retards as usual.. but overall it's a reason to be happy about the war and our government. Seeing one video of idiot tea partyers celebrating shouldn't make you think it's a fkn party over here TT The problem with all you from the US is that you think that all of the people outside of the US thinks that you all are celebrating. See what I did there?  Honestly though, you have a point (although I question your wording). I know many here from Sweden that have opinions about the US. The most notable thing is, they have never been to the US. The people that have usually have a more reasonable perspective about what is or isn't American. I blame the media. (Same are probably true the other way around as well) | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13051 Posts
Hmm yea.... im still waiting for some proof. | ||
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fearus
China2164 Posts
On May 02 2011 20:05 Roggay wrote: And be the target for terrorists? It would be pretty stupid. I'm pretty sure the U.S government would be able to offer him a new identity. | ||
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Imres
515 Posts
On May 02 2011 20:02 partisan wrote: China has some work to do before it can be truly legitimate (I like this word too) leader on the international stage. I'm not concerned with US dominance declining on the world stage as long as any diminished capacity in what we do is picked up by other countries. I think that westerns seriously underestimate China. In Africa they've remplaced the european countries (our companies whine a lot about it) and they've a so much money left. The problem i think is that we've a really westernish vision of "legitimacy" that may not prevent everywhere (not that sure about that, just an impression get through classes/reading, so don't take it too much in account :p) | ||
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Bactrian
Australia176 Posts
On May 02 2011 20:01 EternaL_9 wrote: I think the problem is, all of you outside of the US think all of america is celebrating right now.. fucking no. It's on the news. Yeah there's some people on capital hill being retards as usual.. but overall it's a reason to be happy about the war and our government. Seeing one video of idiot tea partyers celebrating shouldn't make you think it's a fkn party over here TT Relax dude, I'm not making inferences about the whole of the US based on a few people. Don't make inferences about everyone else in the world based on misreading a few forum posts  I personally am happy he is dead, that doesn't mean I endorse people celebrating his death. I was just trying to shed some light on why people are arguing about it. Like why some US people celebrate and why some non-US people find that distasteful. That's what my last two paragraphs were about. The other paragraphs were about terrible use of logic and historical facts. | ||
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