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Keep it civil guys.
Alright I am sick of warning people: Trolling, flame baiting, and derailing will result in insta bans.
The same goes for conspiracy theorists and stupidity generally.
Confirmation was as follows
- On-site DNA test which came back as 99% positive.
- photos of face sent to CIA and confirmed with photo analysis
- confirmed by 20 year old wife who live in pakistan.
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This is great news for America and the free world. The war against terrorism goes on but its a great victory to finally have neutralized the personification of terrorism, Osama bin Laden.
If you wonder why people are cheering its because you dont understand the effect Bin Laden has had on the free world and how his death is a significant blow against the terrorists.
People are not just cheering because a man have died.
Bin Laden is not only responsible for the 9/11 attacks, other attacks and murdering his "own people. He is also responsible for the increased tension between the west and the arabian world.
His "fear machine" has infected every single country on the planet and the majority of us has experienced it first hand when we step on an airplane or hear the speakers on a train station say "do not leave your luggage unattended".
Bin Laden is responsible for ALL of that shit!
10 years is a long time but we just showed the terrorists that we have the persistence to keep hunting them for an eternity whatever it takes, incl. losing lives in the process.
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On May 03 2011 01:32 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 01:17 Zocat wrote:On May 02 2011 22:44 The KY wrote:On May 02 2011 22:40 ShAsTa wrote:
I'm against death penalty so it's good they found him but bad they killed him imo. Well I wonder if the order was to kill him or not. I think if they could have captured him alive they would have. Then put him on trial, then killed him. "(Reuters) - The U.S. special forces team that hunted down Osama bin Laden was under orders to kill the al Qaeda mastermind, not capture him, a U.S. national security official told Reuters." [ source] Dont know if I like that in addition to the very fast sea burial. I think he would have a ton of very valuable information which propably could be used to save hundreds if not thousands of lives. "Would information from a captured Osama have helped to prevent <future terrorist act>?" is something I will ask myself for quite some time I think. The only way you'd get Bin Laden to talk about anything would be some serious torture. I don't think most people would have the stomach knowing what had to be done to get the information considering the huge uproar over waterboarding and such.
So the US quit waterboarding because of the protests (I think not, but I might be wrong)?
Looking at how "you" treat POW/terrorists torture seems not that big of a deal. (basically breaking Geneva Conventions in the Bradley Manning case(yes he's not a POW but common)).
And as some other guy in this thread wrote a lot of people seem to have looked forward to the torture.
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On May 03 2011 01:34 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 01:32 Jayme wrote:On May 03 2011 01:17 Zocat wrote:On May 02 2011 22:44 The KY wrote:On May 02 2011 22:40 ShAsTa wrote:
I'm against death penalty so it's good they found him but bad they killed him imo. Well I wonder if the order was to kill him or not. I think if they could have captured him alive they would have. Then put him on trial, then killed him. "(Reuters) - The U.S. special forces team that hunted down Osama bin Laden was under orders to kill the al Qaeda mastermind, not capture him, a U.S. national security official told Reuters." [ source] Dont know if I like that in addition to the very fast sea burial. I think he would have a ton of very valuable information which propably could be used to save hundreds if not thousands of lives. "Would information from a captured Osama have helped to prevent <future terrorist act>?" is something I will ask myself for quite some time I think.
The only way you'd get Bin Laden to talk about anything would be some serious torture.I don't think most people would have the stomach knowing what had to be done to get the information considering the huge uproar over waterboarding and such. Which is all the better. Even if it took years, those would be years well spent, if for nothing else, the pleasure of torturing him. We wouldn't even need to get any information for it to end up worth it. Regardless, I am just glad he's dead.
You're disgusting.
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http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/05/02/bin.laden.aussie.pm.reacts.7network
What's up with Australian PM? She looks and behaves pretty strange... also carebearing for 10 dead citizens warrents a war against coconut tree's seeing as they kill over 360 people per year with coconuts falling on peoples heads :s
Seriously this is such a propaganda news for the media... can't wait until it calms down and we get some indepth analyzes at how afghanistan might be solved or if it'll even help it.
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On May 03 2011 01:43 HellRoxYa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 01:41 jdseemoreglass wrote:On May 03 2011 01:36 Krehlmar wrote:
I just don't get why'd they go for a kill order... obviously not respecting human rights (sorry to break it to you revenge mongerers but death sentence without trial is never eligible in a true just state. For all we know he could be a puppet or even mentally retarded) and not caring for how it'll turn him into an martyr... yet they'd bury him within 24 hours to be at good faith with Muslim tradition. Becuase youknow it's ok killing him if you just bury him proper?
Meh, bad choice imo. The sympathy that keeps bubbling up for this mass murderer is truly baffling to me... There was no sympathy in anything he wrote.
"for all we know he could have been mentally retarded."
Implying he would therefore deserve some sympathy.
"Killing him is not respecting human rights."
Do human rights have nothing to do with sympathy?
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That says 2003?
On May 03 2011 01:45 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 01:43 HellRoxYa wrote:On May 03 2011 01:41 jdseemoreglass wrote:On May 03 2011 01:36 Krehlmar wrote:
I just don't get why'd they go for a kill order... obviously not respecting human rights (sorry to break it to you revenge mongerers but death sentence without trial is never eligible in a true just state. For all we know he could be a puppet or even mentally retarded) and not caring for how it'll turn him into an martyr... yet they'd bury him within 24 hours to be at good faith with Muslim tradition. Becuase youknow it's ok killing him if you just bury him proper?
Meh, bad choice imo. The sympathy that keeps bubbling up for this mass murderer is truly baffling to me... There was no sympathy in anything he wrote. "for all we know he could have been mentally retarded." Implying he would therefore deserve some sympathy. "Killing him is not respecting human rights." Do human rights have nothing to do with sympathy?
Not sympathy, he deserves a proper trial. Which was what he was arguing for. He doesn't deserve that trial because of sympathy but because he believes in the values often referred to as human rights. You know, the ones guaranteed to you and every other american in the constitution? The "human rights" aren't a basis for sympathy but for a moral stance with which, and this is what Krehlmar is arguing, targetted assassination isn't compliable with. If you don't believe in human rights, then you don't believe in human rights and that's fine. He's trying to point out that your nation says that it stands for them, though, and if that's so you shouldn't kill people without a proper trial.
But hey, it's just US hate and sympathy for Osama right?
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On May 03 2011 01:35 DoomsVille wrote:
Was anyone else really put off by Obama's statement?
He overemphasized "I" constantly in that address. He made it seem like he snapped Osama's neck or something. There was a huge overemphasis on "I" as oppose to "we" or even "they". I mean he realistically did nothing at all. But he's taking so much credit.
"I directed blah blah blah to make killing bin laden a priority"
"I met repeatedly with our national security team"
"I determined we had enough intelligence to take action"
"At my direction, the US launched a targeted operation..."
Sure I get it; election coming up soon and it's not looking great for him. He needs to sway public opinion somehow and this is pretty convenient. But I just found it terribly distasteful. You don't speak in such an egocentric manner without an agenda. It is clear what his was...
actually he's got better approval numbers than bush did when he was reelected in 2004... i believe bush was hovering around 30-35% whereas obama was, as of last week at 46%. http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-daily-obama-job-approval.aspx
and all of his statements were pretty much true, considering that as commander in chief of the armed forces, he does get final say on major operations.
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On May 03 2011 01:40 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 01:34 Mohdoo wrote:On May 03 2011 01:32 Jayme wrote:On May 03 2011 01:17 Zocat wrote:On May 02 2011 22:44 The KY wrote:On May 02 2011 22:40 ShAsTa wrote:
I'm against death penalty so it's good they found him but bad they killed him imo. Well I wonder if the order was to kill him or not. I think if they could have captured him alive they would have. Then put him on trial, then killed him. "(Reuters) - The U.S. special forces team that hunted down Osama bin Laden was under orders to kill the al Qaeda mastermind, not capture him, a U.S. national security official told Reuters." [ source] Dont know if I like that in addition to the very fast sea burial. I think he would have a ton of very valuable information which propably could be used to save hundreds if not thousands of lives. "Would information from a captured Osama have helped to prevent <future terrorist act>?" is something I will ask myself for quite some time I think.
The only way you'd get Bin Laden to talk about anything would be some serious torture.I don't think most people would have the stomach knowing what had to be done to get the information considering the huge uproar over waterboarding and such. Which is all the better. Even if it took years, those would be years well spent, if for nothing else, the pleasure of torturing him. We wouldn't even need to get any information for it to end up worth it. Regardless, I am just glad he's dead. That's were you see on what our "humanistic" and "men's rights" values are grounded. I mean, seriously, we could avoid these medieval comments.
Agreed. Some people think we should lower ourselves to the levels of these terrorists. We should not. He deserved what he got, but good luck trying to make the world better if we ourselves toture etc. as a mean to do so.
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On May 03 2011 01:34 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 01:32 Jayme wrote:On May 03 2011 01:17 Zocat wrote:On May 02 2011 22:44 The KY wrote:On May 02 2011 22:40 ShAsTa wrote:
I'm against death penalty so it's good they found him but bad they killed him imo. Well I wonder if the order was to kill him or not. I think if they could have captured him alive they would have. Then put him on trial, then killed him. "(Reuters) - The U.S. special forces team that hunted down Osama bin Laden was under orders to kill the al Qaeda mastermind, not capture him, a U.S. national security official told Reuters." [ source] Dont know if I like that in addition to the very fast sea burial. I think he would have a ton of very valuable information which propably could be used to save hundreds if not thousands of lives. "Would information from a captured Osama have helped to prevent <future terrorist act>?" is something I will ask myself for quite some time I think.
The only way you'd get Bin Laden to talk about anything would be some serious torture.I don't think most people would have the stomach knowing what had to be done to get the information considering the huge uproar over waterboarding and such. Which is all the better. Even if it took years, those would be years well spent, if for nothing else, the pleasure of torturing him. We wouldn't even need to get any information for it to end up worth it. Regardless, I am just glad he's dead.
This is probably the worst fucking post I've ever seen on TL. You're basically talking about gaining pleasure from putting another human through unbearable pain and suffering The one thing that sets humanity apart from animals is empathy.
What the fuck is wrong with you? No really, how the fuck are you content with yourself.
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Did you even read what you quoted? The DETAINEE moved his family to Abbottabad. Since when was Osama a detainee?
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On May 03 2011 01:44 FliedLice wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 01:34 Mohdoo wrote:On May 03 2011 01:32 Jayme wrote:On May 03 2011 01:17 Zocat wrote:On May 02 2011 22:44 The KY wrote:On May 02 2011 22:40 ShAsTa wrote:
I'm against death penalty so it's good they found him but bad they killed him imo. Well I wonder if the order was to kill him or not. I think if they could have captured him alive they would have. Then put him on trial, then killed him. "(Reuters) - The U.S. special forces team that hunted down Osama bin Laden was under orders to kill the al Qaeda mastermind, not capture him, a U.S. national security official told Reuters." [ source] Dont know if I like that in addition to the very fast sea burial. I think he would have a ton of very valuable information which propably could be used to save hundreds if not thousands of lives. "Would information from a captured Osama have helped to prevent <future terrorist act>?" is something I will ask myself for quite some time I think.
The only way you'd get Bin Laden to talk about anything would be some serious torture.I don't think most people would have the stomach knowing what had to be done to get the information considering the huge uproar over waterboarding and such. Which is all the better. Even if it took years, those would be years well spent, if for nothing else, the pleasure of torturing him. We wouldn't even need to get any information for it to end up worth it. Regardless, I am just glad he's dead. You're disgusting.
Really? The way I see it, and the way that he apparently sees it is that Osama was responsible for the death of over 5000 people. He's saying that he should suffer beyond death to recompense for his actions. That's not a totally unreasonable thing to say.
He shouldn't, of course, because taking his life will therefore end his reign and possibly "save" millions. Morally it probably isn't good to torture him for the sake of equality.
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On May 03 2011 01:41 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 01:36 Krehlmar wrote:
I just don't get why'd they go for a kill order... obviously not respecting human rights (sorry to break it to you revenge mongerers but death sentence without trial is never eligible in a true just state. For all we know he could be a puppet or even mentally retarded) and not caring for how it'll turn him into an martyr... yet they'd bury him within 24 hours to be at good faith with Muslim tradition. Becuase youknow it's ok killing him if you just bury him proper?
Meh, bad choice imo. The sympathy that keeps bubbling up for this mass murderer is truly baffling to me...
He was a human therefor he has human rights which cannot be taken away. The behaviour of some people (in real life as well as on tl) leads me to believe the terrorists have won as they have destroyed the very foundation of society that was supposed to rule ever since the age of enlightment. If people say he should have been tortured for no reason at all (torture to extract information is immoral and wrong but torture out of saddistic pleasure is even below that) they are in no way different to al quida or osama himself.
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On May 03 2011 01:43 RoosterSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 01:36 Krehlmar wrote:
I just don't get why'd they go for a kill order... obviously not respecting human rights (sorry to break it to you revenge mongerers but death sentence without trial is never eligible in a true just state. For all we know he could be a puppet or even mentally retarded) and not caring for how it'll turn him into an martyr... yet they'd bury him within 24 hours to be at good faith with Muslim tradition. Becuase youknow it's ok killing him if you just bury him proper?
Meh, bad choice imo. Uh....He declared war on the United States....You do understand that, right? He was an enemy at war with us. Do you think we could give every enemy soldier that shoots a gun at us a single shell in the leg, and a fair trial?
So if a retard declares war on you... you'd spend over a trillion dollars to kill him? Even though you have no trial or concrete evidence that that retard is responsible for anything?
There is a difference in between self defence, peace preservation and directly engaging another country on the ground... obviously that is gone past the grasp of most americans.
Also, ghosts are only as scary as you make them out to be. Smoking kills more people in the USA yet you won't be having a war against that anytime soon, but this boogymanbinladin has evidently scared the shit out of the comman man for no real reason whereas every politician has reaped fame on the fearwave just asmuch as the arms industry is having an orgy of money because of it.
Pardon if I'm cynical but I just don't think it's worth it, and even though I liked Obamas speech I find it distasteful that he says that americans knows the price of war when they're not even up to 10 000 dead whereas Iraqi's are numbering at the million. They know the price, they've paid it, all so you guys could get your boogyman.
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kinda funny how the words water and boarding can either mean a fun leisure hobby or a murderous torture depending on whether or not there is a space between the 2 words.
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On May 03 2011 01:36 Krehlmar wrote:
I just don't get why'd they go for a kill order... obviously not respecting human rights (sorry to break it to you revenge mongerers but death sentence without trial is never eligible in a true just state. For all we know he could be a puppet or even mentally retarded) and not caring for how it'll turn him into an martyr... yet they'd bury him within 24 hours to be at good faith with Muslim tradition. Becuase youknow it's ok killing him if you just bury him proper?
Meh, bad choice imo.
Was the order to kill? I mean, I'd assume that they would try to capture him alive if possible, but kill him if necessary, and I really doubt that he would just go along with them without a fight.
From Obama's speech:
"And so shortly after taking office, I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the killing or capture of Bin Laden the top priority of our war against al-Qaeda"
But he later says, "After a firefight, they killed Osama Bin Laden and took custody of his body." After the fight, not during? That seems strange.
I don't know, but unless there's some evidence / source showing that they just killed him when it wasn't necessary, I don't see why you'd assume they were "obviously not respecting human rights."
Edit: Just saw the Reuters report linked a few pages back saying that the operation was only to kill Bin Laden, not capture him (source). Yeah, I see your point now, to a degree.
Edit2: From BBC: "Osama Bin Laden did resist the assault and was killed in battle, US officials told White House reporters." (source) Granted, I wouldn't really expect them to admit to having him killed, but too soon to say for sure what happened, I guess.
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Are people seriously mad that he was killed?
Seriously?
Like for real?
Fuck you guys man... he killed THOUSANDS of people. Rot in pieces osama.
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On May 03 2011 01:47 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 01:34 Mohdoo wrote:On May 03 2011 01:32 Jayme wrote:On May 03 2011 01:17 Zocat wrote:On May 02 2011 22:44 The KY wrote:On May 02 2011 22:40 ShAsTa wrote:
I'm against death penalty so it's good they found him but bad they killed him imo. Well I wonder if the order was to kill him or not. I think if they could have captured him alive they would have. Then put him on trial, then killed him. "(Reuters) - The U.S. special forces team that hunted down Osama bin Laden was under orders to kill the al Qaeda mastermind, not capture him, a U.S. national security official told Reuters." [ source] Dont know if I like that in addition to the very fast sea burial. I think he would have a ton of very valuable information which propably could be used to save hundreds if not thousands of lives. "Would information from a captured Osama have helped to prevent <future terrorist act>?" is something I will ask myself for quite some time I think.
The only way you'd get Bin Laden to talk about anything would be some serious torture.I don't think most people would have the stomach knowing what had to be done to get the information considering the huge uproar over waterboarding and such. Which is all the better. Even if it took years, those would be years well spent, if for nothing else, the pleasure of torturing him. We wouldn't even need to get any information for it to end up worth it. Regardless, I am just glad he's dead. This is probably the worst fucking post I've ever seen on TL. You're basically talking about gaining pleasure from putting another human through unbearable pain and suffering The one thing that sets humanity apart from animals is empathy. What the fuck is wrong with you? No really, how the fuck are you content with yourself.
You are absurdly exaggerating here. Let's not lie to ourselves by suggesting that the desire for retribution is not a natural instinct of most mammals on this planet, in addition to empathy. It of course depends on the circumstances which emotion is felt. Which do you think would be the more likely emotional response to a man causing the death of thousands of your fellow citizens and other's throughout the world?
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On May 03 2011 01:36 Krehlmar wrote:
I just don't get why'd they go for a kill order... obviously not respecting human rights (sorry to break it to you revenge mongerers but death sentence without trial is never eligible in a true just state. For all we know he could be a puppet or even mentally retarded) and not caring for how it'll turn him into an martyr... yet they'd bury him within 24 hours to be at good faith with Muslim tradition. Becuase youknow it's ok killing him if you just bury him proper?
Meh, bad choice imo.
Haha, yea. To be at good faith with Muslim tradition, guess noone told the guantanamo guardsmen about that one yet. Just shows again that the USofA are anything but a constitutional state
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On May 03 2011 01:46 HellRoxYa wrote:That says 2003?
It's a report of 2008 interviewing a detainee who said he was working there in 2003. So US knew this since 2008.
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