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Keep it civil guys.
Alright I am sick of warning people: Trolling, flame baiting, and derailing will result in insta bans.
The same goes for conspiracy theorists and stupidity generally.
Confirmation was as follows
- On-site DNA test which came back as 99% positive.
- photos of face sent to CIA and confirmed with photo analysis
- confirmed by 20 year old wife who live in pakistan.
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On May 03 2011 01:17 Zocat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 22:44 The KY wrote:On May 02 2011 22:40 ShAsTa wrote:
I'm against death penalty so it's good they found him but bad they killed him imo. Well I wonder if the order was to kill him or not. I think if they could have captured him alive they would have. Then put him on trial, then killed him. "(Reuters) - The U.S. special forces team that hunted down Osama bin Laden was under orders to kill the al Qaeda mastermind, not capture him, a U.S. national security official told Reuters." [ source] Dont know if I like that in addition to the very fast sea burial. I think he would have a ton of very valuable information which propably could be used to save hundreds if not thousands of lives. "Would information from a captured Osama have helped to prevent <future terrorist act>?" is something I will ask myself for quite some time I think.
Actually I don't know about that, apparently he hasn't been an active head of Al Qaeda for a while now, the group has done some serious splintering, often with different factions fighting eachother, and for all intents and purposes it's seems he was largely a symbolic figure, a role he can occupy just as well as a dead man.
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On May 03 2011 01:17 Zocat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 22:44 The KY wrote:On May 02 2011 22:40 ShAsTa wrote:
I'm against death penalty so it's good they found him but bad they killed him imo. Well I wonder if the order was to kill him or not. I think if they could have captured him alive they would have. Then put him on trial, then killed him. "(Reuters) - The U.S. special forces team that hunted down Osama bin Laden was under orders to kill the al Qaeda mastermind, not capture him, a U.S. national security official told Reuters." [ source] Dont know if I like that in addition to the very fast sea burial. I think he would have a ton of very valuable information which propably could be used to save hundreds if not thousands of lives. "Would information from a captured Osama have helped to prevent <future terrorist act>?" is something I will ask myself for quite some time I think.
The only way you'd get Bin Laden to talk about anything would be some serious torture.
I don't think most people would have the stomach knowing what had to be done to get the information considering the huge uproar over waterboarding and such.
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I want to see this mission in next CoD XD.
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On May 03 2011 01:32 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 01:17 Zocat wrote:On May 02 2011 22:44 The KY wrote:On May 02 2011 22:40 ShAsTa wrote:
I'm against death penalty so it's good they found him but bad they killed him imo. Well I wonder if the order was to kill him or not. I think if they could have captured him alive they would have. Then put him on trial, then killed him. "(Reuters) - The U.S. special forces team that hunted down Osama bin Laden was under orders to kill the al Qaeda mastermind, not capture him, a U.S. national security official told Reuters." [ source] Dont know if I like that in addition to the very fast sea burial. I think he would have a ton of very valuable information which propably could be used to save hundreds if not thousands of lives. "Would information from a captured Osama have helped to prevent <future terrorist act>?" is something I will ask myself for quite some time I think. The only way you'd get Bin Laden to talk about anything would be some serious torture. I don't think most people would have the stomach knowing what had to be done to get the information considering the huge uproar over waterboarding and such.
and even then would the information be correct? you can get someone to tell you alot of things by electricuting his nuts, most to all of which won't be true.
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On May 03 2011 01:32 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 01:17 Zocat wrote:On May 02 2011 22:44 The KY wrote:On May 02 2011 22:40 ShAsTa wrote:
I'm against death penalty so it's good they found him but bad they killed him imo. Well I wonder if the order was to kill him or not. I think if they could have captured him alive they would have. Then put him on trial, then killed him. "(Reuters) - The U.S. special forces team that hunted down Osama bin Laden was under orders to kill the al Qaeda mastermind, not capture him, a U.S. national security official told Reuters." [ source] Dont know if I like that in addition to the very fast sea burial. I think he would have a ton of very valuable information which propably could be used to save hundreds if not thousands of lives. "Would information from a captured Osama have helped to prevent <future terrorist act>?" is something I will ask myself for quite some time I think.
The only way you'd get Bin Laden to talk about anything would be some serious torture.I don't think most people would have the stomach knowing what had to be done to get the information considering the huge uproar over waterboarding and such.
Which is all the better. Even if it took years, those would be years well spent, if for nothing else, the pleasure of torturing him. We wouldn't even need to get any information for it to end up worth it. Regardless, I am just glad he's dead.
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Was anyone else really put off by Obama's statement?
He overemphasized "I" constantly in that address. He made it seem like he snapped Osama's neck or something. There was a huge overemphasis on "I" as oppose to "we" or even "they". I mean he realistically did nothing at all. But he's taking so much credit.
"I directed blah blah blah to make killing bin laden a priority"
"I met repeatedly with our national security team"
"I determined we had enough intelligence to take action"
"At my direction, the US launched a targeted operation..."
Sure I get it; election coming up soon and it's not looking great for him. He needs to sway public opinion somehow and this is pretty convenient. But I just found it terribly distasteful. You don't speak in such an egocentric manner without an agenda. It is clear what his was...
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Bin Laden.. Why did they shoot him? No trial? No nothing?
Kinda sucks for him, though this is justice!! For all the people he killed at 9/11!!
...........Or did he?
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I just don't get why'd they go for a kill order... obviously not respecting human rights (sorry to break it to you revenge mongerers but death sentence without trial is never eligible in a true just state. For all we know he could be a puppet or even mentally retarded) and not caring for how it'll turn him into an martyr... yet they'd bury him within 24 hours to be at good faith with Muslim tradition. Becuase youknow it's ok killing him if you just bury him proper?
Meh, bad choice imo.
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First of all I'm happy about bin Laden's death (if it is true of course) and appreciate/respect the work of the troops in afghanistan and whatnot...
However, we should consider the implications:
Not only will Osama be used as a martyr who "gave his life to destroy the american capitalists" (or whatever), possibly invoking a period of increased terrorist attacks in the near future, but do you know what's gonna happen in al-Qaida now? Best case scenario, multiple high ranked individuals will try to claim leadership and they'll all massacre ealchother (would be devastating for the country itself tho)... but iirc the person right below Osama was Ayman al-Zawahiri, and that guy is way way worse than bin Laden himself. It's like "KILL ALL THE INFIDELS" with no sense of strategy. If this lunatic fills up the empty position, I wish they'd never found bin Laden :s I hope I'm mistaking though.
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Btw guys, if this is a conspiracy and Osama is actually alive you better believe he'll make a video from his new cave or something. The US isn't stupid. They wouldn't do something like this unless they had Osama either in custody or were 100% sure he was dead. There is no conspiracy here.
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On May 03 2011 01:35 DoomsVille wrote:
Was anyone else really put off by Obama's statement?
He overemphasized "I" constantly in that address. He made it seem like he snapped Osama's neck or something. There was a huge overemphasis on "I" as oppose to "we" or even "they". I mean he realistically did nothing at all. But he's taking so much credit.
"I directed blah blah blah to make killing bin laden a priority"
"I met repeatedly with our national security team"
"I determined we had enough intelligence to take action"
"At my direction, the US launched a targeted operation..."
Sure I get it; election coming up soon and it's not looking great for him. He needs to sway public opinion somehow and this is pretty convenient. But I just found it terribly distasteful. You don't speak in such an egocentric manner without an agenda. It is clear what his was...
Welcome to politics!
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On May 03 2011 01:35 DoomsVille wrote:
Was anyone else really put off by Obama's statement?
He overemphasized "I" constantly in that address. He made it seem like he snapped Osama's neck or something. There was a huge overemphasis on "I" as oppose to "we" or even "they". I mean he realistically did nothing at all. But he's taking so much credit.
"I directed blah blah blah to make killing bin laden a priority"
"I met repeatedly with our national security team"
"I determined we had enough intelligence to take action"
"At my direction, the US launched a targeted operation..."
Sure I get it; election coming up soon and it's not looking great for him. He needs to sway public opinion somehow and this is pretty convenient. But I just found it terribly distasteful. You don't speak in such an egocentric manner without an agenda. It is clear what his was...
Dude can we wait like one day before turning this into a partison thing? Please?
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On May 03 2011 01:34 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 01:32 Jayme wrote:On May 03 2011 01:17 Zocat wrote:On May 02 2011 22:44 The KY wrote:On May 02 2011 22:40 ShAsTa wrote:
I'm against death penalty so it's good they found him but bad they killed him imo. Well I wonder if the order was to kill him or not. I think if they could have captured him alive they would have. Then put him on trial, then killed him. "(Reuters) - The U.S. special forces team that hunted down Osama bin Laden was under orders to kill the al Qaeda mastermind, not capture him, a U.S. national security official told Reuters." [ source] Dont know if I like that in addition to the very fast sea burial. I think he would have a ton of very valuable information which propably could be used to save hundreds if not thousands of lives. "Would information from a captured Osama have helped to prevent <future terrorist act>?" is something I will ask myself for quite some time I think.
The only way you'd get Bin Laden to talk about anything would be some serious torture.I don't think most people would have the stomach knowing what had to be done to get the information considering the huge uproar over waterboarding and such. Which is all the better. Even if it took years, those would be years well spent, if for nothing else, the pleasure of torturing him. We wouldn't even need to get any information for it to end up worth it. Regardless, I am just glad he's dead.
Let's try to remember why he was the terrorist and not the freedom fighter.
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On May 03 2011 01:35 DoomsVille wrote:
Was anyone else really put off by Obama's statement?
He overemphasized "I" constantly in that address. He made it seem like he snapped Osama's neck or something. There was a huge overemphasis on "I" as oppose to "we" or even "they". I mean he realistically did nothing at all. But he's taking so much credit.
"I directed blah blah blah to make killing bin laden a priority"
"I met repeatedly with our national security team"
"I determined we had enough intelligence to take action"
"At my direction, the US launched a targeted operation..."
Sure I get it; election coming up soon and it's not looking great for him. He needs to sway public opinion somehow and this is pretty convenient. But I just found it terribly distasteful. You don't speak in such an egocentric manner without an agenda. It is clear what his was...
Meh, any other president would have done the same in his shoes. I can't even become remotely upset about this. He did talk about the work during the past 10 years and gave credit to the long work against terrorism. If anyone are so easily fooled by semantics that this somehow sway you over to Obama's side if you weren't there previously, you deserve it.
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On May 03 2011 01:34 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 01:32 Jayme wrote:On May 03 2011 01:17 Zocat wrote:On May 02 2011 22:44 The KY wrote:On May 02 2011 22:40 ShAsTa wrote:
I'm against death penalty so it's good they found him but bad they killed him imo. Well I wonder if the order was to kill him or not. I think if they could have captured him alive they would have. Then put him on trial, then killed him. "(Reuters) - The U.S. special forces team that hunted down Osama bin Laden was under orders to kill the al Qaeda mastermind, not capture him, a U.S. national security official told Reuters." [ source] Dont know if I like that in addition to the very fast sea burial. I think he would have a ton of very valuable information which propably could be used to save hundreds if not thousands of lives. "Would information from a captured Osama have helped to prevent <future terrorist act>?" is something I will ask myself for quite some time I think.
The only way you'd get Bin Laden to talk about anything would be some serious torture.I don't think most people would have the stomach knowing what had to be done to get the information considering the huge uproar over waterboarding and such. Which is all the better. Even if it took years, those would be years well spent, if for nothing else, the pleasure of torturing him. We wouldn't even need to get any information for it to end up worth it. Regardless, I am just glad he's dead.
That's were you see on what our "humanistic" and "men's rights" values are grounded.
I mean, seriously, we could avoid these medieval comments.
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On May 03 2011 01:36 Krehlmar wrote:
I just don't get why'd they go for a kill order... obviously not respecting human rights (sorry to break it to you revenge mongerers but death sentence without trial is never eligible in a true just state. For all we know he could be a puppet or even mentally retarded) and not caring for how it'll turn him into an martyr... yet they'd bury him within 24 hours to be at good faith with Muslim tradition. Becuase youknow it's ok killing him if you just bury him proper?
Meh, bad choice imo.
The sympathy that keeps bubbling up for this mass murderer is truly baffling to me...
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On May 03 2011 01:36 Krehlmar wrote:
I just don't get why'd they go for a kill order... obviously not respecting human rights (sorry to break it to you revenge mongerers but death sentence without trial is never eligible in a true just state. For all we know he could be a puppet or even mentally retarded) and not caring for how it'll turn him into an martyr... yet they'd bury him within 24 hours to be at good faith with Muslim tradition. Becuase youknow it's ok killing him if you just bury him proper?
Meh, bad choice imo.
Uh....He declared war on the United States....You do understand that, right? He was an enemy at war with us. Do you think we could give every enemy soldier that shoots a gun at us a single shell in the leg, and a fair trial?
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On May 03 2011 01:41 jdseemoreglass wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 01:36 Krehlmar wrote:
I just don't get why'd they go for a kill order... obviously not respecting human rights (sorry to break it to you revenge mongerers but death sentence without trial is never eligible in a true just state. For all we know he could be a puppet or even mentally retarded) and not caring for how it'll turn him into an martyr... yet they'd bury him within 24 hours to be at good faith with Muslim tradition. Becuase youknow it's ok killing him if you just bury him proper?
Meh, bad choice imo. The sympathy that keeps bubbling up for this mass murderer is truly baffling to me...
There was no sympathy in anything he wrote.
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