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Keep it civil guys.
Alright I am sick of warning people: Trolling, flame baiting, and derailing will result in insta bans.
The same goes for conspiracy theorists and stupidity generally.
Confirmation was as follows
- On-site DNA test which came back as 99% positive.
- photos of face sent to CIA and confirmed with photo analysis
- confirmed by 20 year old wife who live in pakistan.
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On May 03 2011 01:00 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 00:56 Kennigit wrote:
Some interesting points
- Bush did his "Mission Accomplished" speech 8 years ago today.
- May 2 1945 - Hitler's death announced. IT'S ALL A CONSPIRACY!!?! Jewish 9/11 Nazi Flying Saucers from the dark side of the moon took him home?!?!? Seriously what's up with the Hitler references?
People get paid by doing this kind of "WORK", it amazes me. And yet newspapers publish this kind of stuff. Theres nothing interesting on those points except that bush did some speech exactly 8 years ago. Yeah right..
This is like the Tsunami in japan and pearl harbor all over again.
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On May 03 2011 00:56 DannyJ wrote:
From what i can tell it was those New Yorkers, who had an understandable outburst of emotion, and college kids outside the white house who live in dorms 2 minutes away. College kids will celebrate and get drunk over ANYTHING.
What other examples in all of America have their been of jubilant mass celebration?
It's been a long time since we've been able to have a "YEAH AMERICA!" attitude without blushing about something we'd rather ignore (Gitmo for example). In fact, the last time imo was the movie Independence Day, when the British guy taking Morse code tells his superior "The Americans are going to launch a counter offensive!" and the other guy responds, "It's about bloody time."
Still, though Bin Laden's death be big news, his "legacy" isn't going to be removed as easily.
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On May 03 2011 00:53 Iranon wrote:
Disclaimer: I hope my post doesn't get misconstrued as trolling, I mean it as a totally serious question.
Is this actually a big deal? I mean, I understand why it's a newsworthy factoid, but why does it matter? Does it actually change anything on the world stage, or it just a small pat-yourself-on-the-back moral victory?
If you read through this entire 100+ page thread the question you just asked actually al of them have been asked 100 times already.
No it doesnt change much. Its a moral victory nothing more nothing less. We (americans are all aware) know that things will be the same. Its just a important symbolic victory. Thats it!
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On May 03 2011 01:00 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 00:58 GG.NoRe wrote:On May 03 2011 00:25 Kennigit wrote:On May 03 2011 00:09 zatic wrote:On May 03 2011 00:03 Kennigit wrote:On May 03 2011 00:01 zatic wrote:On May 02 2011 23:51 Thrill wrote:On May 02 2011 23:43 Kennigit wrote:
Regarding why he was buried so fast at sea.
1) Islamic law requires fast burials. (24 hours i believe someone can confirm)
2) If they kept his body on the ship to take somewhere else, as soon as that info hits the news every foreigner in pakistan/islamic world becomes immediate target for hostage taking to get the body back
3) If they bury him on soil, that site makes him more of a martyr and allows ppl/supporters to rally around it/visit etc.
Fast sea burial defuses it.
The white house/state department is debating which photos/videos to release without being too graphic (cranial exit wounds leave a bit of a mess). Well, the briefing doesn't state why a stronger effort wasn't made to capture him alive. Surely that should have been the main objective? Rubber bullet to the chest and tear gas would make more sense than two (!) lethal rounds to the head. Even if he was personally returning fire - seals are seals, they could have detonated the floor under him and brought him down without even giving him a chance to shoot himself. I just don't get it. I think we all feel a bit cheated by the way this was executed. If they really had him cornered in a compound, multiple headshots seems terribly excessive and un-seals like. Yeah I don't buy for a second that they wanted to capture him alive. I'll bet they had orders to kill. They were ordered to kill him and make no attempt to capture him....he was in a fortified compound with 8' high stone walls and armed guards. "unseal like" i'm going to lose it. Well the reasoning to kill him surely wasn't because there was a brick wall around the house and two donkeys with AKs patrolling. Compared to 25 elite forces who trained this specific raid for weeks. If they wanted to get him alive, they could have. He was killed because of the unbelievable quagmire that a capture and trial would mean. Nobody wanted this creep making statements in a fair trial. Just remember the PR catastrophe the Saddam trial was. Yeah they've been watching the location for a few months before the order was given to go in. CIA obviously went over the pros cons for weeks with super smart analysts/leaders before ordering the kill mission. Theres a task force in afghanistan that changes its identifier every few months (for secrecy: its made up of Delta, ST6, then some allies like JTF2/SAS etc) that literally flies around the pakistan/afghan mountain border, finds taliban leaders and kills them. Every single evening. People are freaking out because its the first time they've heard of something like this, but it happens constantly....Fly in, kill leader and brothers protecting him. Fly home. Theres a lot of reports of CIA ops doing scare tactics on local Taliban villages too (old school: killing the taliban leader at night then nailing signs in Pashto to town hall door warning ppl who would replace him). If you had a list of the taliban/al quada leaders that had been killed by special forces in afghanistan/pakistan in the last year, today wouldn't be that shocking to people. Wait. Isnt this suppost to be beyond confifdential indormation? How you know this? It's not confidential theres many articles in time/news papers/books about it. They just dont talk about it that much. Just google "task force hunting taliban" first hit - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/25/task-force-373-secret-afghanistan-talibanhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Task_Force_121That was the name of the task force in 08 i believe, they routinely change the number so its less obvious.
Yeah task force 373 was a pretty big scandal in Germany the first time reports were made public, because they were being assisted by our KSK which wasn't even supposed to be in Afghanistan. Oops.
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On May 03 2011 00:57 Bright] wrote:
I would just like to say thank you for the hard work of our troops overseas, they are regular guys just like you and me doing a job to support themselves and their family. Let's celebrate as a country that someone who has been the link to personal closure to many American's is now gone. American's who lost family on 9/11 can now have peace after 10 years of searching, knowing that the man who orchestrated the catastrophe of 9/11 is now gone.
Thanks for those kind words. Im in the Army been deployed 2 times I appreciate this post 
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On May 03 2011 01:02 ZeaL. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 00:53 Kennigit wrote:On May 03 2011 00:51 ZeaL. wrote:On May 03 2011 00:47 Archerofaiur wrote:On May 03 2011 00:40 Kennigit wrote:On May 03 2011 00:38 Chrispy wrote:
Winning the hearts and minds of the muslim world while having your people parade and cheer in the streets over the death of one of their own (regardless of whether or not they support him), yeah good luck with that.
Most muslims would be very offended by this. "One of their own"? Do you know how many moderate muslims live in the world? It's like blaming some protestant family for the actions of Westboro baptist church - they are called extremists for a reason -_-. Please research before posting opinions. Actually i'm just going to delete your post because if i keep rereading it im going to hit ban. I try to think of it in terms of how I would react if my friends mom was murdered, they caught the guy, and he was put to death. I wouldnt be running around and yelling hip hip horray. I would be relieved and happy but respectful that this marks closure for the loss of loved ones. But yah I agree that hes is no more a muslim than Hitler was a catholic. Yeah wtf is up with people. I mean, yeah I'm mildly relieved that OBL is no more but I'm not going to go out in the streets chanting USA USA USA, the fuck is up with that. It's a bunch of excited new yorkers. I don't think anyone is saying that 250 million americans are jumping up and down....lets not type cast the entire bunch (americans, muslims etc). I'm not trying to typecast Americans as anything. I'm at work in Atlanta, Georgia and no one has even mentioned it today. I'm just bewildered as to why people decided to rally in NYC and DC on such short notice to celebrate bin Laden being killed.
You mean beyond the fact that those two locations were both greatly affected by 9/11 and many residents in those areas still have firsthand memories of the events that occured?
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Great day for everybody. As somebody who's served and is still in the Army, HOOAHHH We got the fucker.
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On May 03 2011 01:05 oZii wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 00:53 Iranon wrote:
Disclaimer: I hope my post doesn't get misconstrued as trolling, I mean it as a totally serious question.
Is this actually a big deal? I mean, I understand why it's a newsworthy factoid, but why does it matter? Does it actually change anything on the world stage, or it just a small pat-yourself-on-the-back moral victory? If you read through this entire 100+ page thread the question you just asked actually al of them have been asked 100 times already. No it doesnt change much. Its a moral victory nothing more nothing less. We (americans are all aware) know that things will be the same. Its just a important symbolic victory. Thats it!
It also allows for significant changes in US foreign and military policy. People will be less resistant to troop withdrawals in the future now that there's a perception of US success in the War on Terror.
Up until now, any attempt by Obama to pull troops out of the Middle East would've been greeted with accusations of weakness against terrorists and endangering American civilians. Now he has a significant fallback.
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On May 03 2011 01:03 Ansinjunger wrote:
In fact, the last time imo was the movie Independence Day, when the British guy taking Morse code tells his superior "The Americans are going to launch a counter offensive!" and the other guy responds, "It's about bloody time."
Rofl.
"We will not go quietly into the night. We will not vanish without a fight. We're going to live on, we're going to survive. Today we celebrate our Independence Day!"
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On May 03 2011 00:09 oZii wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 23:19 sCCrooked wrote:
Does anyone else stay in close personal contact with those troops overseas? I know I do with my friends. Did anyone else know that for the last 5-6 years at least, they've been raiding and protecting OPIUM DENS and STORAGE FACILITIES instead of making movements against Taliban factions? Then the government pulls this little stunt out of its ass and basically says "LOOK A DISTRACTION" and a lot of people fall for it.
The moral issues with attaching so much positive emotion to a puppet's supposed-'death' are unending and won't be addressed by me for obvious reasons. Politically though, this was a good move. Everyone is distracted and won't be paying attention to what's going on at the home front. The economy is on a huge bubble that's headed towards a massive collapse, unemployment is at an all time high, and we're in a huge economic depression for the Middle-Class, but Osama is dead, so that makes it all ok right?
Its not "good" news, its not "big" news. Its "If-You-React-To-This-Emotionally-You-Are-Retarded" news. If this reality-tv-twist-esque "news" were worth noticing, at the least I would be hearing from about 20 friends right now "We're comin home... wanna go get a beer?". Instead, they're still in danger and far away. I have a problem with that. Any reasonable American should too imo. Im Active U.S. Army I been deployed to Afghanistan (Baghram Air Base) and to Iraq ( Al-Taqqadum/Al Asad) I am happy that he is dead. I know it doesn't change the way the war works or will work. I will be deploying again this year sometime to Iraq. Its just a moral victory thats it. How the news reports it is totally up to them. It's not a distraction because I know it doesn't change much. If I know it doesn't change much the average american probably knows it doesnt change much. It doesn't change the fact that as an American I push politics aside for a moment and can be happy about the outcume. Now my thought process is to continue to do my job as I always have and keep going. So no I am not emotinally retarded cause I am happy. I've met with Afghan people and kids they where outside of Bagram Air Base all the time. After a while they even know your name that was one of the best things I liked about being in Afghanistan. Its not a vacation sure I would rather be at home with familiy and friends or playing some Starcraft 2 or whatever. Its apart of the job and I know what I signed up for. It doesnt mean I can't enjoy the news that Osama Bin Laden is dead.I don't usually give out my occupation on internet forums cause I like to be anonymous and just one of the guys/girls. Thought I would give perspective on how I feel as a Soldier.
Great post that needs more attention. I know a bunch of old army friends that lurk TL as an escape from day-to-day work . Thanks for your service.
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On May 03 2011 01:06 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 01:00 Kennigit wrote:On May 03 2011 00:58 GG.NoRe wrote:On May 03 2011 00:25 Kennigit wrote:On May 03 2011 00:09 zatic wrote:On May 03 2011 00:03 Kennigit wrote:On May 03 2011 00:01 zatic wrote:On May 02 2011 23:51 Thrill wrote:On May 02 2011 23:43 Kennigit wrote:
Regarding why he was buried so fast at sea.
1) Islamic law requires fast burials. (24 hours i believe someone can confirm)
2) If they kept his body on the ship to take somewhere else, as soon as that info hits the news every foreigner in pakistan/islamic world becomes immediate target for hostage taking to get the body back
3) If they bury him on soil, that site makes him more of a martyr and allows ppl/supporters to rally around it/visit etc.
Fast sea burial defuses it.
The white house/state department is debating which photos/videos to release without being too graphic (cranial exit wounds leave a bit of a mess). Well, the briefing doesn't state why a stronger effort wasn't made to capture him alive. Surely that should have been the main objective? Rubber bullet to the chest and tear gas would make more sense than two (!) lethal rounds to the head. Even if he was personally returning fire - seals are seals, they could have detonated the floor under him and brought him down without even giving him a chance to shoot himself. I just don't get it. I think we all feel a bit cheated by the way this was executed. If they really had him cornered in a compound, multiple headshots seems terribly excessive and un-seals like. Yeah I don't buy for a second that they wanted to capture him alive. I'll bet they had orders to kill. They were ordered to kill him and make no attempt to capture him....he was in a fortified compound with 8' high stone walls and armed guards. "unseal like" i'm going to lose it. Well the reasoning to kill him surely wasn't because there was a brick wall around the house and two donkeys with AKs patrolling. Compared to 25 elite forces who trained this specific raid for weeks. If they wanted to get him alive, they could have. He was killed because of the unbelievable quagmire that a capture and trial would mean. Nobody wanted this creep making statements in a fair trial. Just remember the PR catastrophe the Saddam trial was. Yeah they've been watching the location for a few months before the order was given to go in. CIA obviously went over the pros cons for weeks with super smart analysts/leaders before ordering the kill mission. Theres a task force in afghanistan that changes its identifier every few months (for secrecy: its made up of Delta, ST6, then some allies like JTF2/SAS etc) that literally flies around the pakistan/afghan mountain border, finds taliban leaders and kills them. Every single evening. People are freaking out because its the first time they've heard of something like this, but it happens constantly....Fly in, kill leader and brothers protecting him. Fly home. Theres a lot of reports of CIA ops doing scare tactics on local Taliban villages too (old school: killing the taliban leader at night then nailing signs in Pashto to town hall door warning ppl who would replace him). If you had a list of the taliban/al quada leaders that had been killed by special forces in afghanistan/pakistan in the last year, today wouldn't be that shocking to people. Wait. Isnt this suppost to be beyond confifdential indormation? How you know this? It's not confidential theres many articles in time/news papers/books about it. They just dont talk about it that much. Just google "task force hunting taliban" first hit - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/25/task-force-373-secret-afghanistan-talibanhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Task_Force_121That was the name of the task force in 08 i believe, they routinely change the number so its less obvious. Yeah task force 373 was a pretty big scandal in Germany the first time reports were made public, because they were being assisted by our KSK which wasn't even supposed to be in Afghanistan. Oops.
Yeah similar situation happened in Canada with JTF2 being active in Iraq and George Bush trying to award them presidential medal of freedom. Awkward media moment when Canada was like "uhhh sorry, they cant accept cause none of our troops are in Iraq...ehhemm..." haha.
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Personal and rather uneducated opinion:
Osama was somewhat irrelevant for a while, and killing just made him relevant again, as in some people may seek revenge (more actively than before). I don't understand how this is such huge news, I mean, I can understand that it will bring somewhat of a relief to the families who lost someone because of him, but besides that...
This is an actual question from an external point of view.
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On May 02 2011 22:44 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 22:40 ShAsTa wrote:
I'm against death penalty so it's good they found him but bad they killed him imo. Well I wonder if the order was to kill him or not. I think if they could have captured him alive they would have. Then put him on trial, then killed him.
"(Reuters) - The U.S. special forces team that hunted down Osama bin Laden was under orders to kill the al Qaeda mastermind, not capture him, a U.S. national security official told Reuters." [source]
Dont know if I like that in addition to the very fast sea burial. I think he would have a ton of very valuable information which propably could be used to save hundreds if not thousands of lives.
"Would information from a captured Osama have helped to prevent <future terrorist act>?" is something I will ask myself for quite some time I think.
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On May 03 2011 01:12 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 00:09 oZii wrote:On May 02 2011 23:19 sCCrooked wrote:
Does anyone else stay in close personal contact with those troops overseas? I know I do with my friends. Did anyone else know that for the last 5-6 years at least, they've been raiding and protecting OPIUM DENS and STORAGE FACILITIES instead of making movements against Taliban factions? Then the government pulls this little stunt out of its ass and basically says "LOOK A DISTRACTION" and a lot of people fall for it.
The moral issues with attaching so much positive emotion to a puppet's supposed-'death' are unending and won't be addressed by me for obvious reasons. Politically though, this was a good move. Everyone is distracted and won't be paying attention to what's going on at the home front. The economy is on a huge bubble that's headed towards a massive collapse, unemployment is at an all time high, and we're in a huge economic depression for the Middle-Class, but Osama is dead, so that makes it all ok right?
Its not "good" news, its not "big" news. Its "If-You-React-To-This-Emotionally-You-Are-Retarded" news. If this reality-tv-twist-esque "news" were worth noticing, at the least I would be hearing from about 20 friends right now "We're comin home... wanna go get a beer?". Instead, they're still in danger and far away. I have a problem with that. Any reasonable American should too imo. Im Active U.S. Army I been deployed to Afghanistan (Baghram Air Base) and to Iraq ( Al-Taqqadum/Al Asad) I am happy that he is dead. I know it doesn't change the way the war works or will work. I will be deploying again this year sometime to Iraq. Its just a moral victory thats it. How the news reports it is totally up to them. It's not a distraction because I know it doesn't change much. If I know it doesn't change much the average american probably knows it doesnt change much. It doesn't change the fact that as an American I push politics aside for a moment and can be happy about the outcume. Now my thought process is to continue to do my job as I always have and keep going. So no I am not emotinally retarded cause I am happy. I've met with Afghan people and kids they where outside of Bagram Air Base all the time. After a while they even know your name that was one of the best things I liked about being in Afghanistan. Its not a vacation sure I would rather be at home with familiy and friends or playing some Starcraft 2 or whatever. Its apart of the job and I know what I signed up for. It doesnt mean I can't enjoy the news that Osama Bin Laden is dead.I don't usually give out my occupation on internet forums cause I like to be anonymous and just one of the guys/girls. Thought I would give perspective on how I feel as a Soldier. Great post that needs more attention. I know a bunch of old army friends that lurk TL as an escape from day-to-day work . Thanks for your service.
Thanks Kennigit!! Also thank you for your prior service in the military. I had no idea also thanks for TL too of course
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On May 03 2011 01:07 BloodNinja wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 01:02 ZeaL. wrote:On May 03 2011 00:53 Kennigit wrote:On May 03 2011 00:51 ZeaL. wrote:On May 03 2011 00:47 Archerofaiur wrote:On May 03 2011 00:40 Kennigit wrote:On May 03 2011 00:38 Chrispy wrote:
Winning the hearts and minds of the muslim world while having your people parade and cheer in the streets over the death of one of their own (regardless of whether or not they support him), yeah good luck with that.
Most muslims would be very offended by this. "One of their own"? Do you know how many moderate muslims live in the world? It's like blaming some protestant family for the actions of Westboro baptist church - they are called extremists for a reason -_-. Please research before posting opinions. Actually i'm just going to delete your post because if i keep rereading it im going to hit ban. I try to think of it in terms of how I would react if my friends mom was murdered, they caught the guy, and he was put to death. I wouldnt be running around and yelling hip hip horray. I would be relieved and happy but respectful that this marks closure for the loss of loved ones. But yah I agree that hes is no more a muslim than Hitler was a catholic. Yeah wtf is up with people. I mean, yeah I'm mildly relieved that OBL is no more but I'm not going to go out in the streets chanting USA USA USA, the fuck is up with that. It's a bunch of excited new yorkers. I don't think anyone is saying that 250 million americans are jumping up and down....lets not type cast the entire bunch (americans, muslims etc). I'm not trying to typecast Americans as anything. I'm at work in Atlanta, Georgia and no one has even mentioned it today. I'm just bewildered as to why people decided to rally in NYC and DC on such short notice to celebrate bin Laden being killed. You mean beyond the fact that those two locations were both greatly affected by 9/11 and many residents in those areas still have firsthand memories of the events that occured?
If I had a relative or a friend who died on 9/11 I don't think I'd go out into the street cheering after hearing the news, I imagine it would serve as a painful reminder of what happened that day. I guess I just don't understand and never will.
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On May 03 2011 00:53 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 00:51 ZeaL. wrote:On May 03 2011 00:47 Archerofaiur wrote:On May 03 2011 00:40 Kennigit wrote:On May 03 2011 00:38 Chrispy wrote:
Winning the hearts and minds of the muslim world while having your people parade and cheer in the streets over the death of one of their own (regardless of whether or not they support him), yeah good luck with that.
Most muslims would be very offended by this. "One of their own"? Do you know how many moderate muslims live in the world? It's like blaming some protestant family for the actions of Westboro baptist church - they are called extremists for a reason -_-. Please research before posting opinions. Actually i'm just going to delete your post because if i keep rereading it im going to hit ban. I try to think of it in terms of how I would react if my friends mom was murdered, they caught the guy, and he was put to death. I wouldnt be running around and yelling hip hip horray. I would be relieved and happy but respectful that this marks closure for the loss of loved ones. But yah I agree that hes is no more a muslim than Hitler was a catholic. Yeah wtf is up with people. I mean, yeah I'm mildly relieved that OBL is no more but I'm not going to go out in the streets chanting USA USA USA, the fuck is up with that. It's a bunch of excited new yorkers. I don't think anyone is saying that 250 million americans are jumping up and down....lets not type cast the entire bunch (americans, muslims etc).
My school was in a uproar last night too in Maryland. They were all drunk too. I think it was just an excuse to get drunk. Although some people were singing the star spangled banner before Campus police dispersed the crowd. Then someone fell down the steps of the Cathedral. I chuckled a bit. (He wasn't hurt, but was that ever so stupid...) But being born in New York, I hope it brings some closure to friends that currently reside there.
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On May 03 2011 01:19 ZeaL. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 01:07 BloodNinja wrote:On May 03 2011 01:02 ZeaL. wrote:On May 03 2011 00:53 Kennigit wrote:On May 03 2011 00:51 ZeaL. wrote:On May 03 2011 00:47 Archerofaiur wrote:On May 03 2011 00:40 Kennigit wrote:On May 03 2011 00:38 Chrispy wrote:
Winning the hearts and minds of the muslim world while having your people parade and cheer in the streets over the death of one of their own (regardless of whether or not they support him), yeah good luck with that.
Most muslims would be very offended by this. "One of their own"? Do you know how many moderate muslims live in the world? It's like blaming some protestant family for the actions of Westboro baptist church - they are called extremists for a reason -_-. Please research before posting opinions. Actually i'm just going to delete your post because if i keep rereading it im going to hit ban. I try to think of it in terms of how I would react if my friends mom was murdered, they caught the guy, and he was put to death. I wouldnt be running around and yelling hip hip horray. I would be relieved and happy but respectful that this marks closure for the loss of loved ones. But yah I agree that hes is no more a muslim than Hitler was a catholic. Yeah wtf is up with people. I mean, yeah I'm mildly relieved that OBL is no more but I'm not going to go out in the streets chanting USA USA USA, the fuck is up with that. It's a bunch of excited new yorkers. I don't think anyone is saying that 250 million americans are jumping up and down....lets not type cast the entire bunch (americans, muslims etc). I'm not trying to typecast Americans as anything. I'm at work in Atlanta, Georgia and no one has even mentioned it today. I'm just bewildered as to why people decided to rally in NYC and DC on such short notice to celebrate bin Laden being killed. You mean beyond the fact that those two locations were both greatly affected by 9/11 and many residents in those areas still have firsthand memories of the events that occured? If I had a relative or a friend who died on 9/11 I don't think I'd go out into the street cheering after hearing the news, I imagine it would serve as a painful reminder of what happened that day. I guess I just don't understand and never will.
People just need a reason to party and yell and scream. I don't understand it either. I even have a few friends who drove 2+ hours to DC last night to join the crowd in front of the White House. Just sounds absurd to me. It's funny because this type of thing brings out all kinds of people who really probably couldn't care less that Osama is dead, they just need a reason to yell "AMERICA!".
I really don't think it's right to celebrate someone's death, no matter the person.
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They did give him a warning to surrender, and I doubt they were going to give him more then one chance to be captured alive. It's better, a lot less hassle for both the SF and trials. He's also been alive for 10 years on the run, they don't want to risk him walking away from this chance at him dead or alive.
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On May 03 2011 01:17 Zocat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 22:44 The KY wrote:On May 02 2011 22:40 ShAsTa wrote:
I'm against death penalty so it's good they found him but bad they killed him imo. Well I wonder if the order was to kill him or not. I think if they could have captured him alive they would have. Then put him on trial, then killed him. "(Reuters) - The U.S. special forces team that hunted down Osama bin Laden was under orders to kill the al Qaeda mastermind, not capture him, a U.S. national security official told Reuters." [ source] Dont know if I like that in addition to the very fast sea burial. I think he would have a ton of very valuable information which propably could be used to save hundreds if not thousands of lives. "Would information from a captured Osama have helped to prevent <future terrorist act>?" is something I will ask myself for quite some time I think.
he may have had a ton of information, but the odds of him telling it to you are pretty much slim to none.
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