EPTVery similiar UFO sighting across the world - Page 15
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bahl sofs tiil
United States233 Posts
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Raskit
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zeru
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NeWeNiyaLord
Norway2474 Posts
On April 16 2011 21:29 bahl sofs tiil wrote: Norway? Come on, who was your department head, Hagar the Horrible? You are talking to Rumpleforeskin, here. Rumpleforeskin! His telephone and his computer both work, that means intergalactic travel is impossible and current, accepted physics is infallible. Just because i'm from norway (which is supposed to have one of the best schools in the world.) doesnt mean that rumpleforeskin are right. Which he isnt. He's just critical to everything because he have learned everything from wikipedia. which is written by people like him. Yes you might have read illustrated science. Which is still just theory in its starting ages. btw watch this for a blown mind:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U The speaker here seems so intelligent until the end  | ||
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Mitchlew
Australia428 Posts
If we one day would see these other animals whether they be intelligent or not I would die a happy man. How interesting would it be to come in contact with aliens. Lets just hope they are like the protoss and not the zerg  | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
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bahl sofs tiil
United States233 Posts
On April 16 2011 21:40 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: Just because i'm from norway (which is supposed to have one of the best schools in the world.) doesnt mean that rumpleforeskin are right. Which he isnt. He's just critical to everything because he have learned everything from wikipedia. which is written by people like him. Yes you might have read illustrated science. Which is still just theory in its starting ages. btw watch this for a blown mind:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U The speaker here seems so intelligent until the end Uh, sarcasm, man. Let's just chalk this up to some kind of language barrier...or cultural difference...or something. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
Assuming a former area 51 worker was calling because he wanted to reveal something, I can promise you he wouldn't say "I don't have much time", and then use 90% of the time to say absolutely nothing but keywords... government.... sniff sniff... aliens... space program... danger... ksshhh... -.-' really? It's not that hard to sound alarmed and paranoid and fake alittle crying. | ||
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Rumpleforeskin
Australia16 Posts
Unfortunately I don't have my final exam because we don't get to take a copy of them home, probably because they want to resuse questions from year to year and don't want the exams given to current students. To all those who have said that we cannot know ways of interstellar travel beyond our current physics, let me just say this. Our current physics WORKS for the vast majority of cases. At the very least it is mostly right, and any new theories which supersede it must explain what it already explains. To do this, it must have mostly the same explanations for those phenomena, merely diverging in extreme cases. A good example of this is General Relativity superseding Newtonian Gravity. This was a revolution in science, and one of the most drastic changes in the history of science. And what exactly changed in day to day calculations? Well not much. For example, NASA's calculations for the Apollo program were exclusively Newtonian. Why? Because it worked (also Einstein's equations are kinda a bitch to solve). Aristotle's works imply that alchemy worked. It didn't. This is the difference between Einstein and Aristotle, Einstein was vindicated by empirical data. It is the same for physics today. Most scientists expect there to be a major reshaping of physics, we know that General Relativity breaks down at the subatomic level and Quantum Mechanics says that stars shouldn't exist. Clearly they are both wrong. But they WORK. Lasers work (which they wouldn't if quantum mechanics was wrong), and satellites have to correct for the fact that time runs slightly slower where they are, which is a prediction of general relativity. Any theory which supersedes them must explain these things. So that is why wormholes and faster-than-light travel and other things are highly unlikely to ever be a prediction of theories of physics (if we're being truly honest, we have to say highly unlikely rather than never, because you can never say never in science). Current theories not only don't have a place for them, they rule many of them out (as General Relativity does for faster-than-light travel). It would require more than a radical rethink of physics, it would require a total overhaul for this to occur. Technology will progress to an extraordinary degree in the future, but it has physical limits. Even now, for example, we are reaching the limits of what Silicon can do in making faster computers, microchips are build on the scale of hundreds of atoms at a time. While we're almost certainly going to find a better way of making computers to get around this, but my point is that technology has physical limits. When we reach a physical limit, as we almost have with Silicon, it is impossible to surmount it. The only alternative is to find another material. But there are a finite amount of materials in the world, we can't keep finding better ones forever. This applies to aliens too, and so the idea that they have super-advanced technology that lets them do things like travel faster than the speed of light is questionable. Technological advance has it's ceiling, and one day, perhaps thousands of years from now, we will hit it, as have every civilisation in the Galaxy (assuming they exist and have survived long enough to do so. Finally, NeWeNiyaLord, what do you mean when you say "But that pretty much what they would have to do" when you're referring to transportation through black holes? I can tell you what happens when something falls into a black hole, it hits the singularity and stays there! (unless Hawking radiation is correct) It doesn't need to transport anywhere, it has a nice cosy home in the black hole for the rest of eternity. Or am I misunderstanding you completely? | ||
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bahl sofs tiil
United States233 Posts
Compared to the universe, we are so young and the amount of space we've experienced is so tiny that we are really no different than Aristotle or Newton or anyone else from the past, in that we are just throwing crap a tiny, tiny, microscopic portion of the wall and seeing if it sticks. If general relativity can't explain the most basic building blocks of the universe (or what we perceive to be the most basic building blocks with our current technology) and quantum mechanics can't explain stars, of which there are an innumerable number, how can you then say, with such certainty, that these things preclude faster-than-light travel in a way that makes it ludicrous to consider otherwise? We don't even have the technology to test a lot of this! Don't you think the fact that many of the foremost experts in the field are considering these possibilities should tell you something about the assumptions you've made? You've got more faith in these ideas than the men who thought them up. Aristotle, Newton, Einstein, Hawking, and add the next hundred guys who come along - in the future, they will all be regarded the same way: brilliant for their time but ultimately having a very limited understanding how things actually function. Millions of people before you - many an order of magnitude smarter than you or I - have had the "physical limits of technology" that they learned absolutely obliterated. What makes you so arrogant as to think you will be any different? That you are the one who finally has the limitations of the universe figured out? Open your mind, man. Damn. | ||
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rubio91
Italy111 Posts
P.S. why quantum mechanics can't explain stars? Pauli exclusion principle is required for a star to exist, and it is a major statement of QM. PPS sorry for any language mistake, that's not my main language | ||
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~ava
Canada378 Posts
I don't know, I think it's very interesting but I think 95% of the people that believe in this stuff are conditioned to believe it due to the scary music, and pop culture telling us it's cool to believe in aliens and the exorcist and stuff. I don't think the majority of people approach it in an objective way. | ||
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bahl sofs tiil
United States233 Posts
On April 17 2011 00:44 rubio91 wrote: I think you are not getting the point. Let's admit that some form of interstellar space travel is possible (however it is likely NOT possible, as stated by Rumpleforeskin and other people, for very clear scientific reasons), why a very advanced technologically civilization should travel to our miserable planet, and fly on our cities, maintaining distances without making any form of direct contact? Why there is not any decent sighting of an alien, or an alien spaceship, which CANNOT be explained by other, more "regular" phenomena? Are They kidding with us? They travel for hundred of light years, just to float in our atmosphere? I don't believe so. P.S. why quantum mechanics can't explain stars? Pauli exclusion principle is required for a star to exist, and it is a major statement of QM. PPS sorry for any language mistake, that's not my main language Oh, I don't believe any of this crap is aliens. The only thing I find less plausible is that our current understanding of the universe is advanced enough to make a statement like "interstellar travel is simply never going to happen". | ||
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rubio91
Italy111 Posts
So, in order to use this (hypothetical) new physics, there would still be the need of some technology far beyond the reach of a very advanced civilization. | ||
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Cyba
Romania221 Posts
Imagining it's imposible to reach something significantly more amazing then what we see atm is just silly. Also you keep talking about general relativity and other antiquiated stuff like that, when M Theory is the true spearhead of modern day science. Considering it prooves that there are multiple universes and there's a high chance gravity itself is a force leaking into our universe from elsewhere, who knows what else we'll find out in the next century. It surprises me to see somebody with an actual decent education throwing his title around and claiming something so narrow minded, back in my uni days every1 used to make fun of that certain part of physics for beeing the least imaginative, now i see why. It's true that in day to day life a little discovery like that won't make much of a difference, however you have to realize something as little as a guy trying to find out what ball lightning is in his bathroom that brought the uses of plasma to reality. Engineering is born from the usefull details of the world, and that's what brings forth true technology, even the slightlest bend of a law of physics can be exploited to huge benefits. | ||
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rubio91
Italy111 Posts
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~ava
Canada378 Posts
On April 17 2011 04:43 rubio91 wrote: M theory is just a theory. Even better, it isn't even that, since it is so much complicated that the physicians can't even find its equations. (btw i was referring to that when i spoke about quantum gravity, they are the same thing) Nobody know if it will ever be proofed, and at the moment is just a philosophical speculation, no more. And even if we will ever have a completely working quantum gravity theory (a thing that i think will happen, but not so soon), the chances that it will lead us to overcome so easily the limitations of the general relativity are weak. Very weak. | ||
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
On April 16 2011 21:20 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: [ i need to know the school and teacher you had there because you obviously haven't been teached a thing, or your lying. "" as I would really like to know who teaches the youth that they should be this critical and stubborn about something like this. Where I took my masters:http://www.uio.no/studier/program/fys-master/ i'll also post my final exam when I get home from work. Now its your turn. post both. As im sure you still have your exam/final test or whatever its called in your country. i really dislike douchbags like you. who the hell are you to say someones institution and professor is teaching there students the WRONG things? how do you not know that it is infact YOUR institution that isnt teaching the right things? such BS comments. i seriously hate ppl that go "i must know what your institution and teacher is that taught you that crap because they taught you the wrong things!!!" just because you dont agree with someone of similar education level. do not disprove someones education simply because you think they are wrong or you dont agree with them.... | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10318 Posts
Anyways, I do believe in aliens. There is a lot of really legit documents/evidence/proof out there. I recommend you guys check it out. For example, there are alien structures on the moon, and even Neil Armstrong admitted there were aliens on the moon. During their Apollo missions, if you hear their recordings, he is surprised and says that he sees lights and structures, etc. Unfortunately, they always switch to code immediately after... now, why would they do that? Obviously those lights and structures aren't from other humans. There's a lot of shit about the dark side of the moon; one time a Japanese probe thing was going to film the entire moon, trying to reveal the dark side too, but then suddenly the missions' website's message changed from something like "we will share everything we get from this" to "we have found what we wanted and will be crashing our probe to end the mission". Hmm, it should be quite obvious something stopped them from doing what they wanted. I believe (with more reasons I will not share here) the USA told Japan not to release them because they didn't want the world to know there is intelligent alien life somewhere (past, or present). A lof of old people working for NASA etc have been giving testimony, some to Congress, that there are aliens out there. Reason why they waited til their old is because when they were younger, they had to accept that they would not leak the information about the aliens; however, because they're old now, even if they are punished/jailed, apparently they are happy enough to reveal the truth to the world to sacrifice what remaining days they have left. | ||
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
anyone have a logical explanation for that? | ||
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