The amount of conditions (for this UFO scenario to occur) that would have to be met would create a probability of this happening so extremely, almost infinitely low that you may as well consider it a 0% chance of happening.
Examples of these conditions: Chance of life developing on a planet, chance of the life developing intelligence on this planet, chance of this intelligent life developing interstellar travel before destroying itself, chance of these aliens finding/deciding to travel to Earth, chance of such aliens at a such an extreme level of technology sending ships to physically hover over Earth to observe it, chance that these spacecrafts would make themselves visible, etc etc
Imagine you took a bunch of scrap metal and random things you found on the street, walked to the top of a tall building and threw them off. Imagine as it fell and hit the ground bouncing around/colliding with itself, and the random bouncing of this junk formed a car. THIS is a more realistic scenario than aliens visiting Earth in the way described by UFO enthusiasts.
I don't know if even that stresses how incredibly miniscule the probability is.
I don't know what causes some of these things, but pointing to UFO's is just ridiculous.
On April 16 2011 04:49 inimenesc wrote: People are unbelivably arrogant, just plain arrogant, to belive there is no, NO life at ALL in universe than us???
Well lets think, 4 main elements of human body, hydrogen,oxigen..and(dont know english names, you can google it) are the 4 main elements of universe, the whole universe.
To belive that there is no life at all out there because we cant make it in a lab? We are dumb, it took nature billions of year to develop life as it is, it will take for us too.
Just my standpoint, there are aliens, (UFOs too, cus they just mark unidentified flying objects :D) we just havent found any of those races, universe is god damn biiiiggg.
People don't believe there is no life at all in the universe besides us, people just dont go ZOMFG UFOS when there's some shiny lights in the skies. BIG difference.
On April 15 2011 06:31 R3m3mb3rM3 wrote: The jerusalem is proven fake the spirals are pretty crazy must admit well moskow... a cloud wow
really good video though i love ufo sightings as some of them amaze me some of them make me angry at the ppl who fake them if only that jerusalem video wasnt in there t.t its so bad faked i could do that also that phone call is proven fake too disappointing though ^^ was awsomely done
another interesting alien video :
I agree that the video in the OP is pretty bs, most of those are probably fake.
However how come no one comments on this video? And the fact that you can actually find alot of those type of videos directly on nasa's website so they are definitely not altered. And how come no one gives a crap that reputable people and MULTIPLE astronauts have given their statements as to what they've seen when they went out into space. Sure some or maybe even most can be meteors but you cant explain every single one...like the ones that change direction. Its funny how the US spends a huge amount of their military budget on unknown shit yet its totally unbelievable that maybe some of that might be this type of shit. ASTRONAUTS tell you they've seen shit and been briefed on it, and some people dont even remotely accept the possibility of alien life or that maybe they do visit earth. You cant just write something off with " Oh why would an advanced cvilization care about us or why would they even bother coming over here?" how do YOU know what the motives of a civilization thousands of years more advanced than ours are? you dont.
There's thousands of people from government agencies that have testified on video and before congress as to what their experiences with this type of thing has been, what they've seen, been told, told to keep their mouths shut and so on... people usually say, well if there's some big cover up how come no one has spoken up? THEY HAVE. PEOPLE SPEAK UP ALL THE TIME but if you speak up you look like an idiot and are immediately written off. How many other scientists and "insiders" probably haven't come forward because of that, they don't want to be ridiculed and lose all of their credential. I'm sure a lot, maybe even MOST, of the accounts that people make (and im talking about reputable people with degrees in their area or jobs/careers in related fields) are fake, but there are some strong cases being made in which some people really have nothing to gain by admitting such things. I think these things need to be more closely examined. I can certainly admit the possibility that maybe all of this is bullshit and that maybe every single person to come forward (again, reputable people, not the nut jobs on channel 4) is lying, but then you have to concede that there is also a POSSIBILITY that not everyone is lying and maybe some of the official nasa footage might be real and some of the accounts of the astronauts are real and maybe the govt has been encouraging its employees to stay hush and perhaps with a good reason behind it. You have to. Period.
thats because that nasa video is also BS. hell it was on the history channel and even the history channel proved it to be bull shit. it was ice particles or something. and some were just specs of random space particles that are no bigger then a half a inch long.
On April 16 2011 15:55 Befree wrote: The amount of conditions (for this UFO scenario to occur) that would have to be met would create a probability of this happening so extremely, almost infinitely low that you may as well consider it a 0% chance of happening.
Examples of these conditions: Chance of life developing on a planet, chance of the life developing intelligence on this planet, chance of this intelligent life developing interstellar travel before destroying itself, chance of these aliens finding/deciding to travel to Earth, chance of such aliens at a such an extreme level of technology sending ships to physically hover over Earth to observe it, chance that these spacecrafts would make themselves visible, etc etc
Imagine you took a bunch of scrap metal and random things you found on the street, walked to the top of a tall building and threw them off. Imagine as it fell and hit the ground bouncing around/colliding with itself, and the random bouncing of this junk formed a car. THIS is a more realistic scenario than aliens visiting Earth in the way described by UFO enthusiasts.
I don't know if even that stresses how incredibly miniscule the probability is.
I don't know what causes some of these things, but pointing to UFO's is just ridiculous.
Earth is fairly young in terms of the WHOLE universe.
Just think if one of the FIRST planets with the core elements to create life, billions and billions of years before earth, and if that life grew to be intelligent (very probable), it would be SO far in the past their Planet's history / evolution would be in the year.. 4000.. something ridiculous in comparison to our world's history. By that time they would have unbelievable technology, spread across multiple planets.. they will have evolved perhaps using 100% of their brain's capacity.
With that much TIME, they could EASILY prevail sooo far in science and easily transverse the whole universe, and yes, discovery our planet.
I KNOW when humans (if we live that long) get the technology to do this (light speed, bending space to go across the universe), we WILL look for other life.
Just have to put yourself in their shoes, I think its TOTALLY reasonable to think that another life species knows about our human existence.
On April 16 2011 15:55 Befree wrote: The amount of conditions (for this UFO scenario to occur) that would have to be met would create a probability of this happening so extremely, almost infinitely low that you may as well consider it a 0% chance of happening.
Examples of these conditions: Chance of life developing on a planet, chance of the life developing intelligence on this planet, chance of this intelligent life developing interstellar travel before destroying itself, chance of these aliens finding/deciding to travel to Earth, chance of such aliens at a such an extreme level of technology sending ships to physically hover over Earth to observe it, chance that these spacecrafts would make themselves visible, etc etc
Imagine you took a bunch of scrap metal and random things you found on the street, walked to the top of a tall building and threw them off. Imagine as it fell and hit the ground bouncing around/colliding with itself, and the random bouncing of this junk formed a car. THIS is a more realistic scenario than aliens visiting Earth in the way described by UFO enthusiasts.
I don't know if even that stresses how incredibly miniscule the probability is.
I don't know what causes some of these things, but pointing to UFO's is just ridiculous.
Earth is fairly young in terms of the WHOLE universe.
Just think if one of the FIRST planets with the core elements to create life, billions and billions of years before earth, and if that life grew to be intelligent (very probable), it would be SO far in the past their Planet's history / evolution would be in the year.. 4000.. something ridiculous in comparison to our world's history. By that time they would have unbelievable technology, spread across multiple planets.. they will have evolved perhaps using 100% of their brain's capacity.
With that much TIME, they could EASILY prevail sooo far in science and easily transverse the whole universe, and yes, discovery our planet.
I KNOW when humans (if we live that long) get the technology to do this (light speed, bending space to go across the universe), we WILL look for other life.
Just have to put yourself in their shoes, I think its TOTALLY reasonable to think that another life species knows about our human existence.
Dude, we, nor any other civilsation will ever travel across the galaxy. Look at my previous post, interstellar travel is simply never going to happen. Please learn some basic physics.
On April 16 2011 15:55 Befree wrote: The amount of conditions (for this UFO scenario to occur) that would have to be met would create a probability of this happening so extremely, almost infinitely low that you may as well consider it a 0% chance of happening.
Examples of these conditions: Chance of life developing on a planet, chance of the life developing intelligence on this planet, chance of this intelligent life developing interstellar travel before destroying itself, chance of these aliens finding/deciding to travel to Earth, chance of such aliens at a such an extreme level of technology sending ships to physically hover over Earth to observe it, chance that these spacecrafts would make themselves visible, etc etc
Imagine you took a bunch of scrap metal and random things you found on the street, walked to the top of a tall building and threw them off. Imagine as it fell and hit the ground bouncing around/colliding with itself, and the random bouncing of this junk formed a car. THIS is a more realistic scenario than aliens visiting Earth in the way described by UFO enthusiasts.
I don't know if even that stresses how incredibly miniscule the probability is.
I don't know what causes some of these things, but pointing to UFO's is just ridiculous.
dont forgot how we are a molecule in a stadium compared to the known universe. Our time span has also been a microsecond of a lifetime. There are trillions apon trillions of EXISTING plants, let alone the ones before our time. I think the chances are pretty good.
On April 16 2011 15:55 Befree wrote: The amount of conditions (for this UFO scenario to occur) that would have to be met would create a probability of this happening so extremely, almost infinitely low that you may as well consider it a 0% chance of happening.
Examples of these conditions: Chance of life developing on a planet, chance of the life developing intelligence on this planet, chance of this intelligent life developing interstellar travel before destroying itself, chance of these aliens finding/deciding to travel to Earth, chance of such aliens at a such an extreme level of technology sending ships to physically hover over Earth to observe it, chance that these spacecrafts would make themselves visible, etc etc
Imagine you took a bunch of scrap metal and random things you found on the street, walked to the top of a tall building and threw them off. Imagine as it fell and hit the ground bouncing around/colliding with itself, and the random bouncing of this junk formed a car. THIS is a more realistic scenario than aliens visiting Earth in the way described by UFO enthusiasts.
I don't know if even that stresses how incredibly miniscule the probability is.
I don't know what causes some of these things, but pointing to UFO's is just ridiculous.
Earth is fairly young in terms of the WHOLE universe.
Just think if one of the FIRST planets with the core elements to create life, billions and billions of years before earth, and if that life grew to be intelligent (very probable), it would be SO far in the past their Planet's history / evolution would be in the year.. 4000.. something ridiculous in comparison to our world's history. By that time they would have unbelievable technology, spread across multiple planets.. they will have evolved perhaps using 100% of their brain's capacity.
With that much TIME, they could EASILY prevail sooo far in science and easily transverse the whole universe, and yes, discovery our planet.
I KNOW when humans (if we live that long) get the technology to do this (light speed, bending space to go across the universe), we WILL look for other life.
Just have to put yourself in their shoes, I think its TOTALLY reasonable to think that another life species knows about our human existence.
Dude, we, nor any other civilsation will ever travel across the galaxy. Look at my previous post, interstellar travel is simply never going to happen. Please learn some basic physics.
Lol at your fail post. Just because mankind havent made it(or can imagine it) doesnt mean any other species could'nt. Really ignorant post on your part.
And yeah. I think basicly any above 15 years old knows the basic's of physics as well as einsteins cant move faster then light THEORY. But i mean in 1 million years, where would humanity be? if there are aliens out (around us) im guessing their a million years ahead in technology. Or better yet. They dont need technology because of their evolution. Stop beeing so blind and open your mind 1% more and you are going to realize that you should delete the post i quoted or atleast edit it. and stop beeing ignorant. If you dont belive it(or have the capacity to,) dont post ignorant posts in threads you dont belong. And btw interstellar travel is already possible if we pass through black holes. Maybe the aliens have allready mapped out the holes? ^^, EDIT: forgot. As a math major. You do realise that its 100% 1000's of other alien races out there. And btw Physics Master degree here.
On April 16 2011 15:55 Befree wrote: The amount of conditions (for this UFO scenario to occur) that would have to be met would create a probability of this happening so extremely, almost infinitely low that you may as well consider it a 0% chance of happening.
Examples of these conditions: Chance of life developing on a planet, chance of the life developing intelligence on this planet, chance of this intelligent life developing interstellar travel before destroying itself, chance of these aliens finding/deciding to travel to Earth, chance of such aliens at a such an extreme level of technology sending ships to physically hover over Earth to observe it, chance that these spacecrafts would make themselves visible, etc etc
Imagine you took a bunch of scrap metal and random things you found on the street, walked to the top of a tall building and threw them off. Imagine as it fell and hit the ground bouncing around/colliding with itself, and the random bouncing of this junk formed a car. THIS is a more realistic scenario than aliens visiting Earth in the way described by UFO enthusiasts.
I don't know if even that stresses how incredibly miniscule the probability is.
I don't know what causes some of these things, but pointing to UFO's is just ridiculous.
Earth is fairly young in terms of the WHOLE universe.
Just think if one of the FIRST planets with the core elements to create life, billions and billions of years before earth, and if that life grew to be intelligent (very probable), it would be SO far in the past their Planet's history / evolution would be in the year.. 4000.. something ridiculous in comparison to our world's history. By that time they would have unbelievable technology, spread across multiple planets.. they will have evolved perhaps using 100% of their brain's capacity.
With that much TIME, they could EASILY prevail sooo far in science and easily transverse the whole universe, and yes, discovery our planet.
I KNOW when humans (if we live that long) get the technology to do this (light speed, bending space to go across the universe), we WILL look for other life.
Just have to put yourself in their shoes, I think its TOTALLY reasonable to think that another life species knows about our human existence.
Dude, we, nor any other civilsation will ever travel across the galaxy. Look at my previous post, interstellar travel is simply never going to happen. Please learn some basic physics.
Lol at your fail post. Just because mankind havent made it(or can imagine it) doesnt mean any other species could'nt. Really ignorant post on your part.
And yeah. I think basicly any above 15 years old knows the basic's of physics as well as einsteins cant move faster then light THEORY. But i mean in 1 million years, where would humanity be? if there are aliens out (around us) im guessing their a million years ahead in technology. Or better yet. They dont need technology because of their evolution. Stop beeing so blind and open your mind 1% more and you are going to realize that you should delete the post i quoted or atleast edit it. and stop beeing ignorant. If you dont belive it(or have the capacity to,) dont post ignorant posts in threads you dont belong. And btw interstellar travel is already possible if we pass through black holes. Maybe the aliens have allready mapped out the holes? ^^, EDIT: forgot. As a math major. You do realise that its 100% 1000's of other alien races out there. And btw Physics Master degree here.
I realise that there are (almost certainly) plenty of aliens out there, I'm not denying that. However you are either a liar or a fool when you say you have a physics master degree. You emphasise the word 'theory' showing that you don't understand what the word means in science. A theory isn't a 'best guess' about what we think is going on, it's a comprehensive explanation which may or may not be correct. Gravity is a THEORY, so are atoms, the microbe theory of disease, and electricity. The word theory has no bearing on how accepted the idea is.
Also, "Pass through black holes"? You clearly have no clue what black holes are. They aren't special gateways to other dimensions, they aren't portals and you sure as hell can't go into one without dying when (or rather, before) you hit the singularity. They're simply areas which light can't escape if it enters. Go look up black holes on wikipedia before you post. As I said in my first post (not quoted here, look back one page), simple physics shows that interstellar travel is difficult to the point of impossibility.
Simply saying "Just because we can't imagine it doesn't mean that it can't happen" is a cop out. We may not understand alot about our universe, but this doesn't mean we're ignorant. All our physics, from Newton's gravity to General Relativity to Quantum Mechanics, has no place for interstellar travel.
Your post also said that perhaps their evolution helped them travel between stars. Unless you're suggesting that they are telepathic (in which case I suggest you send yourself to the loony bin Mr Physics Masters) I fail to see how any evolutionary process can prepare them for interstellar travel.
TL;DR, You're a liar when you say you have a Physics Masters, and you don't understand the relevant science.
aliens: coming from beyond the stars to our planet just to act mysterious and putt probes in our asses. that so doesnt seem to make sense. but then again maybe the aliens are really shy and fly away giggling when humans get close.
On April 16 2011 13:59 Rumpleforeskin wrote: As an astrophysics and maths major, I can say that there is NO chance of aliens visiting Earth.
There is no way for any civilisation to gather enough energy to send a spacecraft on an interstellar journey at a reasonable speed, say 5% of light speed. Even if you were to accelerate a spacecraft big enough to self-sustain a crew for hundreds of years to that speed, there are other huge problems. Your spacecraft hits something the mass of a grain of sand? It goes off with the power of a hydrogen bomb, obliterating your ship. You can determine this with very simple high school level calculations by sitting down for 5 minutes with Newton's Laws and E=mc2.
"But Rumple, what about making wormholes/teleportation/warp drive/some other ignorant sci-fi crap?" No, current accepted physics has no place for any of the nonsense suggested as a means for interstellar travel. Take, for example, a wormhole. Even if they are theoretically possible (the jury is still out on that), to create one (using the theoretical physics which postulate their existence) would require more energy than our Sun puts out in a century. And to sustain one so that you can travel through it before it collapses you would need to find something that produces NEGATIVE GRAVITY to put inside the wormhole. At some points in the wormhole, you need INFINITE NEGATIVE GRAVITY.
That said, let's assume that I'm wrong, and there is a way for interstellar travel to happen. It would still be an extremely difficult and expensive piece of engineering. And what do the aliens come to Earth to do? Why, appear outside crazy people's windows and hover in the sky of course.
Come on people, high school physics and common sense shows you that aliens cannot be visiting Earth. Just because we sometimes can't explain what is happening in these UFO videos does not mean that it's aliens. Show me an actual alien in the flesh, and I'll change my mind. I'll cover my balls in peanut butter and run naked across the country yelling "Fancy that, aliens are real'. Until then, don't continue to believe this bullshit.
"Current accepted physics" and all the greatest minds in the world have also, at different times in history, said that the sun, moon and stars were contained within giant crystal spheres, all celestial bodies moved in perfect circles, the atom was the smallest particle of matter and a ton of other stuff that we all know is nonsense.
Oh, but now we've got everything figured out. Now we can't possibly be wrong and you, as an astrophysics and math major, couldn't possibly be making the same type of mistakes that a fool like Aristotle made and you, an astrophysics and math major, certainly know enough to proclaim interstellar travel as an impossibility, over the ridiculous assertions of hacks like Stephen Hawking or Carl Sagan because you? You're an astrophysics and math major. Frankly, the rest of us are all so glad that we have someone as learned and prestigious as an astrophysics and math major here to explain it all to us. Shoot, might as well just shut down this whole "science" thing - we've already got it all figured out, thanks to Rumpleforeskin, the astrophysics and math major
I really think that theres way for any living organism to travel near the speed of light. This is because of the amount of energy needed to do so. When you should manage to go faster then the speed of light , youd go back in time and thats also not something you want to . If you then look at the closest planets that might have a suitable environment and see that its a lot of lightyears away, youll see that it wouldnt make sense for a species to come here and not make themselves known or randomly destroy shit. I think that some of you should put some thought in how big the universe actually is .
Bahl sofs tiil. As I said before, we may not understand alot, but we understand a bunch. My conclusions were based on physics that have taken us to the moon, which determine how you computer operates, which are responsible for how satellite telephones work. That physics cannot be wrong, because if it was then all those things wouldn't work. But they do work. Applicability is the best reason for believing in what physics has to say.
Whenever people tell me about these things i just can't believe them. If things like aliens and ghosts were real then people would know more about it. If this was legit it wouldnt be your 2nd great uncle telling you a story one night, it would be on the news.
On April 16 2011 20:40 Rumpleforeskin wrote: Bahl sofs tiil. As I said before, we may not understand alot, but we understand a bunch. My conclusions were based on physics that have taken us to the moon, which determine how you computer operates, which are responsible for how satellite telephones work. That physics cannot be wrong, because if it was then all those things wouldn't work. But they do work. Applicability is the best reason for believing in what physics has to say.
How many times in the past do you think some high minded scientist has made the same argument?
Come on, man, you don't think you're being arrogant to dismiss something as impossible that Stephen Hawking and Carl Sagan both considered plausible? Because you went to college? Really?
For example, some dude back in the Middle-Ages probably left some meat out and when flies appeared, he said, "forsooth, spontaneous generation cannot be wrong, for were it so, this thing would not work". No, he just didn't understand how it worked and I seriously doubt that the principle that allows for faster-than-light travel or cryosleep or any other intergalactic colonization method is going to be even remotely related to rocket boosters or telephone lines. Come on, man, that is a ridiculous assertion.
I mean, come on, real, actual scientists performing real, actual experiments think they've already found faster-than-light communication. Now, some other guys disagree and if you even say the word "quantum" to me, I hear every subsequent word as circus music, but you are just some yahoo on the internet and your credentials for debunking these guys is going to be "high school science" and that you are a "astrophysics and mathematics major"? That is what you are going to go with, here?
"An atheist has to know a lot more than I know. An atheist is someone who knows there is no god. By some definitions atheism is very stupid." - Carl Sagan
You are an intergalactic travel atheist and Carl Sagan thinks you are stupid, though he'd ever say so because he was just too nice.
Interesting video, too bad that these abnormalities can be anything. Saying its aliens is quite a shot. Even though science has come far, we still don't understand how anything in the universe works. So until we start understanding more about how the universe works, there is no point in saying everything we don't understand are the doings of aliens.
Saying that the spiral thing over Norway was an alien is just like saying god created the universe. There is just as much basic proof for both theories.
I love seeing all the realists in here who got it all figured out already. Its funny how narrowsighted and stubborn humans can be, at the same time, do you think it was the realistic narrowsighted people that got the world to where it is today? No, it was the creative mind of individuals who dreamed about "impossible and stupid" things, labeled crazy and frowned upon by the norms of society.
Don't let your mind limit itself, be open for possibilities even tho their minuscule on our very human level. Because there just might be something we, outstanding and superior, simply can't figure out yet.
I might just be one of those individuals who thinks the world and our we-know-it-all mentality is just a little too shallow and boring.
On April 16 2011 15:55 Befree wrote: The amount of conditions (for this UFO scenario to occur) that would have to be met would create a probability of this happening so extremely, almost infinitely low that you may as well consider it a 0% chance of happening.
Examples of these conditions: Chance of life developing on a planet, chance of the life developing intelligence on this planet, chance of this intelligent life developing interstellar travel before destroying itself, chance of these aliens finding/deciding to travel to Earth, chance of such aliens at a such an extreme level of technology sending ships to physically hover over Earth to observe it, chance that these spacecrafts would make themselves visible, etc etc
Imagine you took a bunch of scrap metal and random things you found on the street, walked to the top of a tall building and threw them off. Imagine as it fell and hit the ground bouncing around/colliding with itself, and the random bouncing of this junk formed a car. THIS is a more realistic scenario than aliens visiting Earth in the way described by UFO enthusiasts.
I don't know if even that stresses how incredibly miniscule the probability is.
I don't know what causes some of these things, but pointing to UFO's is just ridiculous.
Earth is fairly young in terms of the WHOLE universe.
Just think if one of the FIRST planets with the core elements to create life, billions and billions of years before earth, and if that life grew to be intelligent (very probable), it would be SO far in the past their Planet's history / evolution would be in the year.. 4000.. something ridiculous in comparison to our world's history. By that time they would have unbelievable technology, spread across multiple planets.. they will have evolved perhaps using 100% of their brain's capacity.
With that much TIME, they could EASILY prevail sooo far in science and easily transverse the whole universe, and yes, discovery our planet.
I KNOW when humans (if we live that long) get the technology to do this (light speed, bending space to go across the universe), we WILL look for other life.
Just have to put yourself in their shoes, I think its TOTALLY reasonable to think that another life species knows about our human existence.
Dude, we, nor any other civilsation will ever travel across the galaxy. Look at my previous post, interstellar travel is simply never going to happen. Please learn some basic physics.
Lol at your fail post. Just because mankind havent made it(or can imagine it) doesnt mean any other species could'nt. Really ignorant post on your part.
And yeah. I think basicly any above 15 years old knows the basic's of physics as well as einsteins cant move faster then light THEORY. But i mean in 1 million years, where would humanity be? if there are aliens out (around us) im guessing their a million years ahead in technology. Or better yet. They dont need technology because of their evolution. Stop beeing so blind and open your mind 1% more and you are going to realize that you should delete the post i quoted or atleast edit it. and stop beeing ignorant. If you dont belive it(or have the capacity to,) dont post ignorant posts in threads you dont belong. And btw interstellar travel is already possible if we pass through black holes. Maybe the aliens have allready mapped out the holes? ^^, EDIT: forgot. As a math major. You do realise that its 100% 1000's of other alien races out there. And btw Physics Master degree here.
I realise that there are (almost certainly) plenty of aliens out there, I'm not denying that. However you are either a liar or a fool when you say you have a physics master degree. You emphasise the word 'theory' showing that you don't understand what the word means in science. A theory isn't a 'best guess' about what we think is going on, it's a comprehensive explanation which may or may not be correct. Gravity is a THEORY, so are atoms, the microbe theory of disease, and electricity. The word theory has no bearing on how accepted the idea is.
Also, "Pass through black holes"? You clearly have no clue what black holes are. They aren't special gateways to other dimensions, they aren't portals and you sure as hell can't go into one without dying when (or rather, before) you hit the singularity. They're simply areas which light can't escape if it enters. Go look up black holes on wikipedia before you post. As I said in my first post (not quoted here, look back one page), simple physics shows that interstellar travel is difficult to the point of impossibility.
Simply saying "Just because we can't imagine it doesn't mean that it can't happen" is a cop out. We may not understand alot about our universe, but this doesn't mean we're ignorant. All our physics, from Newton's gravity to General Relativity to Quantum Mechanics, has no place for interstellar travel.
Your post also said that perhaps their evolution helped them travel between stars. Unless you're suggesting that they are telepathic (in which case I suggest you send yourself to the loony bin Mr Physics Masters) I fail to see how any evolutionary process can prepare them for interstellar travel.
TL;DR, You're a liar when you say you have a Physics Masters, and you don't understand the relevant science.
Damn. Had to rewrite my total post because i got unlogged.
First: Planets, light, and other matter must pass close to a black hole in order to be pulled into its grasp. When they reach a point of no return they are said to have entered the event horizon—the point from which any escape is impossible because it requires moving faster than the speed of light. That was the total point of my post. I might have been abit wage when saying they teleported through black holes. But that pretty much what they would have to do. If there was aliens around us they must already have grasped the "power" of traveling at the speed of light. Where did you take your major? i need to know the school and teacher you had there because you obviously haven't been teached a thing, or your lying. Because from my point of perspective, it sound like you have copy pasted from Wikipedia. (and you need to know that 50% on that site is based on theories. And wtf? you really implying that i dont know what a theory is? you must really reconsider going to school twice.
""Black holes capture the public's imagination and feature prominently in extremely theoretical concepts like wormholes. These "tunnels" could allow rapid travel through space and time—but there is no evidence that they exist."" From my exam" I never said the black holes were wormholes. i nearly emplied that it could be. But getting tired trying to prove to some kid that it IS possible for aliens to reach us. Please post your university as I would really like to know who teaches the youth that they should be this critical and stubborn about something like this.
Where I took my masters:http://www.uio.no/studier/program/fys-master/ i'll also post my final exam when I get home from work. Now its your turn. post both. As im sure you still have your exam/final test or whatever its called in your country.
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