There's this great video that puts together many videos of extremely similiar UFO sightings across the world. Evidence with crowds of people watching the UFOs. All of them appear to glow, perhaps Angelic. Usually in pairs or 3-4 across the world, and in some cases causing a huge golden trail behind them.
Most of the golden figure sightings start in the second half of the video.
I realize most UFO sightings are a hoax, but I think SOME these are convincingly real. They all look the exact same, golden glowing figures flying through the sky. I don't want to sound crazy, but my mind tends to wonder.. what are they? Angels? I'm not religious but I know in the bible it says the world will mourn before the second coming.
Open your mind. Is this the coming of the end for a theory that I used to think was laughable, 2012, but now seems deep to me. There always has been speculations that old civilizations were in contact with the aliens, to help them build the insane structures they built (pyramids, Stonehenge). Perhaps the 'aliens' are the ones who knew that in 2012 our world would be colonized, hence the mayans ending their calender work in 2012.
I find this really interesting. It this real? What do you think? Is the media just trying to spread fear? Or is this really the start of something.. bigger?
First off, keep in mind, think of the reaction you would get talking about something like this. As you would typically see a cardboard sign saying Repent. I think it's really creepy, as I saw the video, but I think the "second coming" isn't coming just because of a UFO sighting. Not to mention, I think the main subject is on the UFO itself(If it is one) and not why it's here. I can't really comment on whether it's real or not because there were a lot of cases(not an exaggeration at all) of UFO sightings that turned out to be some weather cloud. Main thing I'm looking forward to is the public reasoning issued by the government about it. Kind of thought provoking though, so many possibilities, kind of hard to narrow it down to one...
EDIT: As i'm still watching the video, alot of these have already been debunked and confirmed as a weather phenomenon or something in the solar system(or farther). Some of these are interesting. Alot of it is also media hyping something up. For example, the news lady says, "Why was there a light hovering over the most important site of christianity?" when Jerusalem's majority is Islam and Judaism. And the Dome of the Rock is a site contested by those two religions, not Christianity. Atleast, not nearly as much as it used to be. Christianity used to be huge in Jerusalem and declined.
Yeah, I realize some of them may be spectacular weather sightings (spiral above norway) but this thread is about the very particular glowing figures. I don't know how those could be 'weather'
You're coming to the wrong website with this kind of stuff. Too many liberal atheist here to even consider hoping for some open-mindedness. If anything, I'll give you consolidation by saying I APPRECIATE the video, and yeah they are strange, but very awesome looking things.
All of the things pictures in the video have been explained. Some of them are really fucking old. Is this a joke? Can I start selling tinfoil hats on here?
The jerusalem is proven fake the spirals are pretty crazy must admit well moskow... a cloud wow
really good video though i love ufo sightings as some of them amaze me some of them make me angry at the ppl who fake them if only that jerusalem video wasnt in there t.t its so bad faked i could do that also that phone call is proven fake too disappointing though ^^ was awsomely done
On April 15 2011 06:28 Kyhol wrote: HAHAHA that hysterical person at the end is pure gold. They're coming!! Hide yo kidz, hide yo wife, cause da aliens be rapin' err body up in near
I like the part where he talks about reducing the population to more easily control us. You know, because aliens that can travel between dimensions have logistics problems like that.
"the call does not appear to be a hoax, instead it has an eery sound of truth"
haha, yeah right.
really now, put some fake videos of the past years together, add a few new scenes, add scary music, somehow connect it to the 2012 Maya thing, and laugh your ass off at the people believing that crap?
On April 15 2011 06:29 BobGayman wrote: All of the things pictures in the video have been explained. Some of them are really fucking old. Is this a joke? Can I start selling tinfoil hats on here?
If you can tell me 'who' explained every sighting in this video? Not just you reading some nerd in the youtube comments saying he's a scientist from Harvard and that these are just weather coincidences
They don't have to be weather phenomenons either. Just taking as example the spiral thing in norway, that was a rocket/missile that had started spinning around because of it becoming unbalanced somehow. The arms were just the rocket fuel.
I just finished watching this video twice. I can't see how any of these sightings can be some deformed cloud.. just don't understand how they can illuminate small colorful circles that rotate and spiral then form as one again... Or the ball of light that fell made noise and a huge flash of light then shot back into the sky..
the spiral light over Norway was failed Russian nuke missile test, i like how the video doesn't show the news clips of explanation.... says much about its agenda.
Best part about the vid is where he phones area 51 and tells him area 51 is already infiltrated, because if it is, chances are very high you won't be speaking to 1 of em ~~
On April 15 2011 06:10 EternaL_9 wrote: I think these are pretty undeniably real.
"undeniably", that's a pretty strong word. As in, you cannot possibly imagine any alternative to explain the fact. IMHO it's you who need to open your mind and get a bit more creative imagination From fake video to combined trollage, you should be able to think of something other than "undeniably" real ^^
Most of the parts in the video have been confirmed as hoaxes/known phenomenons already. Also I pacefalmed at hints of a coverup and the zooming of the supposed "illuminati/NWO/whatever" symbol. Oh and as per usual adding the drama music, making the whole thing even more hilarious.
yeah not the right website to post about stuff like that here even though im hugely fascinated by it.
Also, me and my friends had this silly discussion. What if you were an alien in a spaceship looking down on earth, looking at the inhabitants. Killing each other for resources, lands, power. what would you think of the inhabitants? I for one, if i was ever an alien in a ship spying on earth, i'd be like 'holy shit if i come down these guys might even harm me, okay i'll just go off slowly...'
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On April 15 2011 06:38 JupiterJazz wrote: alone by browsing nasa.gov apod or some astrophysics sites i know from the top of my head what 50% of these "ufos" are
Well technically, a shit thrown at the air is officially a "ufo" before you actually identify what it is ;P
On April 15 2011 06:29 BobGayman wrote: All of the things pictures in the video have been explained. Some of them are really fucking old. Is this a joke? Can I start selling tinfoil hats on here?
If you can tell me 'who' explained every sighting in this video? Not just you reading some nerd in the youtube comments saying he's a scientist from Harvard and that these are just weather coincidences
So if I say it's God on the video it's a good explanation until a Harvard scientist comes along and spends time to make a research about it and release it in a reviewed jurnal where other scientists have to check his work again? Dubious claims can be rejected without the best minds of our society wasting their time on it.
I mean no offense, of course. It's just that sometimes you want it to be true so much you can convince yourself. Convincing others with good arguments is what is important, not who makes those arguments.
Pretty interesting video. I had not seen all of those videos, pretty neat looking. I would say there are aliens, but who knows? I'm just waiting for the government to say something (hah like that will ever happen)
On April 15 2011 06:33 Zilver wrote: They don't have to be weather phenomenons either. Just taking as example the spiral thing in norway, that was a rocket/missile that had started spinning around because of it becoming unbalanced somehow. The arms were just the rocket fuel.
what is your proof, you just happen to work for the Norway's military at the place of the sighting and be high in command to know that a missile has been shot and spiraled out of control ?
So instead of posting empty words, provide proof, a video, a transcript or whatever that it was indeed a missile.
On April 15 2011 06:29 BobGayman wrote: All of the things pictures in the video have been explained. Some of them are really fucking old. Is this a joke? Can I start selling tinfoil hats on here?
If you can tell me 'who' explained every sighting in this video? Not just you reading some nerd in the youtube comments saying he's a scientist from Harvard and that these are just weather coincidences
So if I say it's God on the video it's a good explanation until a Harvard scientist comes along and spends time to make a research about it and release it in a reviewed jurnal where other scientists have to check his work again? Dubious claims can be rejected without the best minds of our society wasting their time on it.
I mean no offense, of course. It's just that sometimes you want it to be true so much you can convince yourself. Convincing others with good arguments is what is important, not who makes those arguments.
My point was that he is stating that these are proven to be fake.. I just wanted to know where he found out that every one of these sightings were proven fake, and who was proving it. If it's a youtube comment or a blog.. fuck that.
When I suggested that the beings in this video were perhaps angels, I wasn't trying to explain. I'm not trying to prove anything to anybody. I'm just trying to provoke thought and open minds
On April 15 2011 06:25 rel wrote: You're coming to the wrong website with this kind of stuff. Too many liberal atheist here to even consider hoping for some open-mindedness. If anything, I'll give you consolidation by saying I APPRECIATE the video, and yeah they are strange, but very awesome looking things.
"Too many liberal atheist here to even consider hoping for some open-mindedness"
On April 15 2011 06:33 Zilver wrote: They don't have to be weather phenomenons either. Just taking as example the spiral thing in norway, that was a rocket/missile that had started spinning around because of it becoming unbalanced somehow. The arms were just the rocket fuel.
what is your proof, you just happen to work for the Norway's military at the place of the sighting and be high in command to know that a missile has been shot and spiraled out of control ?
So instead of posting empty words, provide proof, a video, a transcript or whatever that it was indeed a missile.
Did you know that Earth is actually still flat? Or have you actually left the planet so you could see it from outside?
On April 15 2011 06:33 Zilver wrote: They don't have to be weather phenomenons either. Just taking as example the spiral thing in norway, that was a rocket/missile that had started spinning around because of it becoming unbalanced somehow. The arms were just the rocket fuel.
what is your proof, you just happen to work for the Norway's military at the place of the sighting and be high in command to know that a missile has been shot and spiraled out of control ?
So instead of posting empty words, provide proof, a video, a transcript or whatever that it was indeed a missile.
I do believe there are aliens (and yes i do believe in god), I think those were fake or something to that affect. I doubt any of those were real UFO's or anything. That 1996 transmission man that guy I can see why he would be medically discharged from whatever he was doing. He's telling people to be evacuating at the time but imagine if we had 15 years later and nothing lol.
The saddest thing for me whenever I watch these kind of "prophetic" videos is that once they are debunked, people who originally preached somehow 'forget' that it happened. And then when the next time a similar situation arises, they act as if *THIS* time "it will be for real".
On April 15 2011 06:25 rel wrote: You're coming to the wrong website with this kind of stuff. Too many liberal atheist here to even consider hoping for some open-mindedness. If anything, I'll give you consolidation by saying I APPRECIATE the video, and yeah they are strange, but very awesome looking things.
Totally agree, not limiting yourself to the beliefs of a religion and having a democratic political ideology is clearly too close-minded.
There's no way to prove anything in these videos, just like there's no undeniable way to prove the existence of God. It's a matter of faith and or belief that allows us to try to understand what UFOs are, can be, and their purpose. I personally believe they are real, but because incidents are so isolated and immediately dealt with skepticism, it's hard to deal with this subject as fact. I hope someday we can really find out though because its so interesting lol
On April 15 2011 07:01 MidKnight wrote: The saddest thing for me whenever I watch these kind of "prophetic" videos is that once they are debunked, people who originally preached somehow 'forget' that it happened. And then when the next time a similar situation arises, they act as if *THIS* time "it will be for real".
So annoying
And then there's people like me who laugh at close minded people like you. I realize some of these have been debunked (Norway, Jerusalem), accept the proof of it or don't, I don't really care. But there's more than 2 sightings in this video, and I doubt all of them have been scientifically proven to be fake. Until then, keep an open mind.
On April 15 2011 06:25 rel wrote: You're coming to the wrong website with this kind of stuff. Too many liberal atheist here to even consider hoping for some open-mindedness. If anything, I'll give you consolidation by saying I APPRECIATE the video, and yeah they are strange, but very awesome looking things.
"Too many liberal atheist here to even consider hoping for some open-mindedness"
That is just absolutely ridiculous sorry.
it is true. this thread is full of the classic uninformed people debunking without bringing forth their own theories.
The most logical thing I can imagine is as how it is in the Hitchhikersguide to the galaxy. Aliens found our planet, didn't care, left again. Until they need something from us (blow up our planet to make space for an intergalactic highway or so).
I do believe that there are other lifeforms out there, why wouldn't there be? I do not believe in 'god' though.
On April 15 2011 07:01 MidKnight wrote: The saddest thing for me whenever I watch these kind of "prophetic" videos is that once they are debunked, people who originally preached somehow 'forget' that it happened. And then when the next time a similar situation arises, they act as if *THIS* time "it will be for real".
So annoying
And then there's people like me who laugh at close minded people like you. I realize some of these have been debunked (Norway, Jerusalem), accept the proof of it or don't, I don't really care. But there's more than 2 sightings in this video, and I doubt all of them have been scientifically proven to be fake. Until then, keep an open mind.
I'm tired of being told to have an open mind when people find out I want undeniable proof that events are what they say they are... Yes I'm an athiest, and no I do not think these are aliens or whatever.
Everyone please watch this video on what open-mindedness actually is.
Pretty long video, but a very very good one for both sides to watch in order to construct better arguments
essentially, you cannot say something is aliens or gods just because there is no known explanation. Because what you are saying is this: "I cannot explain this, therefor it is explained" It is a logical fallacy.
On April 15 2011 07:01 MidKnight wrote: The saddest thing for me whenever I watch these kind of "prophetic" videos is that once they are debunked, people who originally preached somehow 'forget' that it happened. And then when the next time a similar situation arises, they act as if *THIS* time "it will be for real".
So annoying
And then there's people like me who laugh at close minded people like you. I realize some of these have been debunked (Norway, Jerusalem), accept the proof of it or don't, I don't really care. But there's more than 2 sightings in this video, and I doubt all of them have been scientifically proven to be fake. Until then, keep an open mind.
I'm tired of being told to have an open mind when people find out I want undeniable proof that events are what they say they are... Yes I'm an athiest, and no I do not think these are aliens or whatever.
Everyone please watch this video on what open-mindedness actually is.
Pretty long video, but a very very good one for both sides to watch in order to construct better arguments
essentially, you cannot say something is aliens or gods just because there is no known explanation. Because what you are saying is this: "I cannot explain this, therefor it is explained" It is a logical fallacy.
You really should read my posts. I'm not religious. I'm not trying to convince you. I'm just theory crafting RL based on pretty convincing video
On April 15 2011 07:01 MidKnight wrote: The saddest thing for me whenever I watch these kind of "prophetic" videos is that once they are debunked, people who originally preached somehow 'forget' that it happened. And then when the next time a similar situation arises, they act as if *THIS* time "it will be for real".
So annoying
And then there's people like me who laugh at close minded people like you. I realize some of these have been debunked (Norway, Jerusalem), accept the proof of it or don't, I don't really care. But there's more than 2 sightings in this video, and I doubt all of them have been scientifically proven to be fake. Until then, keep an open mind.
I'm tired of being told to have an open mind when people find out I want undeniable proof that events are what they say they are... Yes I'm an athiest, and no I do not think these are aliens or whatever.
Everyone please watch this video on what open-mindedness actually is.
Pretty long video, but a very very good one for both sides to watch in order to construct better arguments
essentially, you cannot say something is aliens or gods just because there is no known explanation. Because what you are saying is this: "I cannot explain this, therefor it is explained" It is a logical fallacy.
You really should read my posts. I'm not religious. I'm not trying to convince you. I'm just theory crafting RL based on pretty convincing video
You should really watch that video, it's much more convincing than yours.
On April 15 2011 06:25 rel wrote: You're coming to the wrong website with this kind of stuff. Too many liberal atheist here to even consider hoping for some open-mindedness.
Atheists are much more open-minded than most theists on the whole.
It's amazing how many people consider this to be proof of aliens. Just because something is unexplained, doesn't mean you get to assign it any fantastical explanation and call it proof. I find it insulting to think that aliens with vastly superior technology than ours could travel across the galaxy only to crash on Earth when they get here. They must be the most pathetic aliens ever.
Here's a great video from the cosmos that sums up why this is completely worthless as far as proof of extraterrestrial life that is visiting Earth.
On April 15 2011 06:25 rel wrote: You're coming to the wrong website with this kind of stuff. Too many liberal atheist here to even consider hoping for some open-mindedness.
On April 15 2011 06:25 rel wrote: You're coming to the wrong website with this kind of stuff. Too many liberal atheist here to even consider hoping for some open-mindedness.
Dang, Video's long drawn out explanations. I was just stating my simple view of how this website evolved to me over the seven years I've been here. Also, giving a heads up to a fellow wonderer, because I've seen what previous 'E.T.' Threads have turned out to be like.
Anyways, I'm not trained or anything in the sort. But I don't really know what to make out of the videos. Could be Aliens, could be swamp gas bouncing off of Venus. Could be insanely awesome CGI, or H.A.R.P hologram technology. Regardless it does look cool as fuck!
On April 15 2011 06:13 gogogadgetflow wrote: Haha. Man I miss the days when I had imagination. The world must feel so full of possibility. Unfortunately my mind is restricted by reason nowadays.
On April 15 2011 07:41 rel wrote: Dang, Video's long drawn out explanations. I was just stating my simple view of how this website evolved to me over the seven years I've been here. Also, giving a heads up to a fellow wonderer, because I've seen what previous 'E.T.' Threads have turned out to be like.
Anyways, I'm not trained or anything in the sort. But I don't really know what to make out of the videos. Could be Aliens, could be swamp gas bouncing off of Venus. Could be insanely awesome CGI, or H.A.R.P hologram technology. Regardless it does look cool as fuck!
When I see the video I think ''hmm what interesting events let's get a qualified scientist(s) who knows what they're talking about to study it in further detail rather than leaping to our own conclusions''
To say they are aliens is an argument from ignorance more commonly know as the god of the gaps (or in this case aliens) I don't know does not by any means in any way mean it can only be explained by aliens, it is ridiculous and blatantly ignores logic.
Aliens probably exist given the enomous size of the universe proability would dictate so. Does that mean they visited us? Highly unlikely given that beyond-lightspeed travel is impossible (or at least very difficult) and since we have no confirmed evidence of alien visitations then we have to assume that they did not ever visit us.
On April 15 2011 07:41 adeezy wrote: I just want to add that Stephen Hawking believes in aliens, and that guy is the most scientific brain on the planet I would say
There's a difference between believing in aliens(see the Drake Equation for example) and believing that aliens are visiting the Earth and are being covered up by the government. There is no hard scientific data that there have ever been aliens that have visited the earth.
On April 15 2011 07:42 ampson wrote: They certainly look cool.
And that's all what i can say for it. I can't explain this on my own and maby never will. When the time comes and someone has concluding evidence for an ufo i will concider it but for now it's highly unlikely but not impossible to have alien neighbours
On April 15 2011 07:41 adeezy wrote: I just want to add that Stephen Hawking believes in aliens, and that guy is the most scientific brain on the planet I would say
There's a difference between believing in aliens(see the Drake Equation for example) and believing that aliens are visiting the Earth and are being covered up by the government. There is no hard scientific data that there have ever been aliens that have visited the earth.
And then you got to accaunt for the fact that he BELIEVES in aliens. He doesn't posess of anymore evidence for the existence of aliens then we. Oh and the aliens that he speaks of are alot different than the aliens blindo is thinking about
I'm afraid sightings of some lights and a calendar ending is not enough to make me seriously consider that almost everything I think I know about the world is wrong. That is, no more than I usually consider it.
On April 15 2011 06:25 rel wrote: You're coming to the wrong website with this kind of stuff. Too many liberal atheist here to even consider hoping for some open-mindedness.
Atheists are much more open-minded than most theists on the whole.
Haha - so if you point him to a prophecy that comes true he will convert to your religion. Good grief...
No but if you show him undeniable proof of a religion he most likely would.
No man I actually watched the vid and he said if you point out something in a holy text that predicts a certain disaster on a certain day, he will become a believer in that religion - without the need for any corroborating criteria even. That's assinine.
On April 15 2011 06:25 rel wrote: You're coming to the wrong website with this kind of stuff. Too many liberal atheist here to even consider hoping for some open-mindedness.
Atheists are much more open-minded than most theists on the whole.
Haha - so if you point him to a prophecy that comes true he will convert to your religion. Good grief...
No but if you show him undeniable proof of a religion he most likely would.
No man I actually watched the vid and he said if you point out something in a holy text that predicts a certain disaster on a certain day, he will become a believer in that religion - without the need for any corroborating criteria even. That's assinine.
Ah yeah you're right, I didn't watch that vid and just assumed, which makes me an ass. That is indeed dumb.
I've been a believer since I was really little, although I wouldn't admit it because I was scared out of my wits (as in I would need people to stay with me until I fell asleep). Some of the sightings in the video are of things that have been identified, namely the recent sighting over New York which was verified to have been a clump of reflective balloons, and the hubble telescope picture which is of a rare collision of two comets. Some other others could certainly be hoaxes or photoshops/film edits, but we're getting more and more that cannot be easily explained away. I would be much more of a skeptic if I hadn't seen one of the ones from the video in real life, except in a different place. While driving from Lancaster PA to Mechanicsburg PA, I saw claer as day the formation of three lights in a triangle. It was enormous and it was moving. It was close to an airport, but it clearly wasn't an airplane. Military, maybe, I just don't know. I have a feeling we'll be finding out the truth quite soon, though.
On April 15 2011 07:41 rel wrote: Could be insanely awesome CGI, or H.A.R.P hologram technology. Regardless it does look cool as fuck!
If the masses had any idea of how easy it is to photoshop a picture or use match-moving software to add an UFO on a video. Then 90% of these alien videos wouldn't even exist.
I'm a complete newbie and I still can do better than any of the shots in the video of the OP. Just google "match moving" with whatever 3d software and you'll find dozens of tutorials on youtube explaining how to add UFOs to any videos in just a few minutes.
You don't need to overthink the explanation of it. If it's a weird cloud formation or lens effect. 99% of them have a much simpler explanation, just video editing made by a random amateur.
All of the videos (even the ones of the same thing from separate angles) could easily be faked. Some people get way too convinced wayyyy too easily. I don't deny aliens exist, I actually think it doesn't make much sense to say we're the only intelligent life in the universe once you realize just how big the universe is. Still though, I can't imagine how a couple videos can completely convince some people. Must be strange going through life being that gullible.
On April 15 2011 07:41 adeezy wrote: I just want to add that Stephen Hawking believes in aliens, and that guy is the most scientific brain on the planet I would say
"Believing" in aliens doesn't mean that aliens actually came to our planet. I believe that there should be intelligent life somewhere out there, considering how UNBELIEVABLY huge universe is (seriously, people can't exactly grasp it).
Claiming that aliens are actually in contact with us is completely different deal
Actually there has been some excellent statistical work done on the chances that there is life on another planet (intelligent life).
It's actually pretty small of a chance.
Think of the entire universe as a black square, and time is represented by time looking at the black square. In terms of the life of the universe, the duration of life on earth has been rediculously small. So picture, if you will, as from the start of life on earth to the end of life on earth as a small white dot on teh square that flashes on, then off once life is gone.
Now imagine if we scaled the lifetime of the universe to 24 hours of viewtime on the square. We would see many flashes flashing like crazy. And (i forget his name... gah...) some statiscal scientist came to a ballpark figure that the chances of 2 flashes occuring at once AND those lifeforms both being able to travel space AND be close enough to meet... is less than 1 millionth of a percent chance.
On April 15 2011 07:56 B00ts wrote: Actually there has been some excellent statistical work done on the chances that there is life on another planet (intelligent life).
It's actually pretty small of a chance.
Think of the entire universe as a black square, and time is represented by time looking at the black square. In terms of the life of the universe, the duration of life on earth has been rediculously small. So picture, if you will, as from the start of life on earth to the end of life on earth as a small white dot on teh square that flashes on, then off once life is gone.
Now imagine if we scaled the lifetime of the universe to 24 hours of viewtime on the square. We would see many flashes flashing like crazy. And (i forget his name... gah...) some statiscal scientist came to a ballpark figure that the chances of 2 flashes occuring at once AND those lifeforms both being able to travel space AND be close enough to meet... is less than 1 millionth of a percent chance.
Bummer eh?
And that's taking into account that the universe is (basically, as far as we'll probably ever know) infinite? 'cause 1millionth of a percent. There's more planets than that in the universe - no?
On April 15 2011 07:56 B00ts wrote: Actually there has been some excellent statistical work done on the chances that there is life on another planet (intelligent life).
It's actually pretty small of a chance.
Think of the entire universe as a black square, and time is represented by time looking at the black square. In terms of the life of the universe, the duration of life on earth has been rediculously small. So picture, if you will, as from the start of life on earth to the end of life on earth as a small white dot on teh square that flashes on, then off once life is gone.
Now imagine if we scaled the lifetime of the universe to 24 hours of viewtime on the square. We would see many flashes flashing like crazy. And (i forget his name... gah...) some statiscal scientist came to a ballpark figure that the chances of 2 flashes occuring at once AND those lifeforms both being able to travel space AND be close enough to meet... is less than 1 millionth of a percent chance.
Bummer eh?
And that's taking into account that the universe is (basically, as far as we'll probably ever know) infinite?
Again, that probability is the probability that is A) has to happen, and B) smart and close enough to actually visit and meet. (which is the circumstances that would have to exist in order to see UFO's and for them to be real)
On April 15 2011 07:41 adeezy wrote: I just want to add that Stephen Hawking believes in aliens, and that guy is the most scientific brain on the planet I would say
"Believing" in aliens doesn't mean that aliens actually came to our planet. I believe that there should be intelligent life somewhere out there, considering how UNBELIEVABLY huge universe is (seriously, people can't exactly grasp it).
Claiming that aliens are actually in contact with us is completely different deal
What did I say? I just said he does believe too, so it's not totally unreasonable to think they exist
You will get nay-sayers but when the time comes we will all believe.
I think its really soon. ive had this feeling since i was a kid and it only has been growing stronger in the past 20 years. Am i crazy? possibly but theres just something thats telling me something big soon.
On April 15 2011 07:41 adeezy wrote: I just want to add that Stephen Hawking believes in aliens, and that guy is the most scientific brain on the planet I would say
"Believing" in aliens doesn't mean that aliens actually came to our planet. I believe that there should be intelligent life somewhere out there, considering how UNBELIEVABLY huge universe is (seriously, people can't exactly grasp it).
Claiming that aliens are actually in contact with us is completely different deal
What did I say? I just said he does believe too, so it's not totally unreasonable to think they exist
Ok...but no one in here is saying they don't. That's not the topic of discussion atm.
The fact that believers exist show how science education has failed in today's world. The fact that people can assign equal weights to "aliens" and to other explanations like refraction or meteors in their belief system is absolutely astonishing.
As a basic analogy for how you should think of the world: Right now, I don't know how much money is in my wallet. It could be anything, $100, $5, $1. Knowing that I am a starving college student, certain things are more likely than others. I can't entirely eliminate the possibility that I have $100 in my wallet, or $99, or $98, and so on. (I know I have no coins). So essentially, there are 101 possible amounts of money for me to have, every discrete integer from $0 to $100 inclusive. Just because I have no evidence, does NOT at all mean that there is a 1% chance of $1, 1% for $2, and 1% for $100. It is FAR more likely that I have a small amount of cash. Probably something like 50% $0, 49% $1, and a fraction of a percent for other outcomes. There are other factors that come into probability even if you dont know what they are.
Similarly, there is a light in the sky. It could certainly be aliens, I concede that fact. It could also have 99 possible terrestrial explanations. Just because its possible that its aliens ($100) does not make it likely.
Not knowing how much money I have, I would not act as if I had $100 to spend. Similarly, not knowing what the light in the sky was, I will not act as if its aliens.
On April 15 2011 08:07 TadH wrote: I'd like some sources for everyone claiming all or most of these have been debunked or proven false/hoaxes.
Thanks.
Just because you can't disprove something doesnt make it true.
For example:
I'm sitting on an elephant in the zoo posting on TL using their WIFI. Prove me wrong. Oh you cant? Well I guess we have to believe that zoos really are letting people use elephants for chairs.
The objective, scientific odds that an alien has visited us is so astronomically high that it's probably more likely that my story is true. I'm sure you've seen much more evidence for WIFI at zoos, and elephants existing, than you have for aliens. And if you believe in aliens, you might as well believe that I have Elephant Sue under my butt, sniffing my laptop
Has anyone read about the very recently declassified files released by the FBI about UFOs abducting, mutilating cows and horses before dropping them back on earth? Pretty funny, especially from a source like the FBI
On April 15 2011 07:56 B00ts wrote: Actually there has been some excellent statistical work done on the chances that there is life on another planet (intelligent life).
It's actually pretty small of a chance.
Think of the entire universe as a black square, and time is represented by time looking at the black square. In terms of the life of the universe, the duration of life on earth has been rediculously small. So picture, if you will, as from the start of life on earth to the end of life on earth as a small white dot on teh square that flashes on, then off once life is gone.
Now imagine if we scaled the lifetime of the universe to 24 hours of viewtime on the square. We would see many flashes flashing like crazy. And (i forget his name... gah...) some statiscal scientist came to a ballpark figure that the chances of 2 flashes occuring at once AND those lifeforms both being able to travel space AND be close enough to meet... is less than 1 millionth of a percent chance.
Bummer eh?
But we still could find the traces/ruins of that old spacefaring civilazations, right? Also his theory is pure speculation since he assumes things we think to be true, but cannot really proof that they're true (only 1 universe ie.). Also remember the guy from the OP'vid - he talked about extradimensional being. Not extraterrestrial!
But I honestly would like to see the source materials from all those sightings. Not some crappy youtube quality vid (it's in the fucking sky, at least some peopel with an HD recorder should be able to film it und post it uncompressed on the intarnetz).
On April 15 2011 08:09 Talin wrote: One would wonder why scientifically superior intergalactic travelers would feel the need to randomly fly about like that for no apparent reason.
With party lights turned on.
That would make no sense indeed. It's much more likely they would fly making in spiral shaped clouds in the air instead.
On April 15 2011 08:07 TadH wrote: I'd like some sources for everyone claiming all or most of these have been debunked or proven false/hoaxes.
Thanks.
Just because you can't disprove something doesnt make it true.
Don't put words in my mouth. If you read the thread there are people claiming that these specific instances and videos have been proven false or hoaxed, I would like the sources.
On April 15 2011 08:10 prOxi.swAMi wrote: Has anyone read about the very recently declassified files released by the FBI about UFOs abducting, mutilating cows and horses before dropping them back on earth? Pretty funny, especially from a source like the FBI
One could also wonder why scientifically superior intergalactic civilizations that apparently have the means to traverse spacetime would have any need for such primitive research methods.
For aliens to be able to visit our planet from outside our solar system there would have to be faster than light speed ships. Personally I think such a thing to likely be impossible. Traveling across the universe without such a thing is pretty unreasonable.
On April 15 2011 08:07 TadH wrote: I'd like some sources for everyone claiming all or most of these have been debunked or proven false/hoaxes.
Thanks.
Just because you can't disprove something doesnt make it true.
Don't put words in my mouth. If you read the thread there are people claiming that these specific instances and videos have been proven false or hoaxed, I would like the sources.
If you'd read the thread, you would've found the news articles linked already
On April 15 2011 08:10 prOxi.swAMi wrote: Has anyone read about the very recently declassified files released by the FBI about UFOs abducting, mutilating cows and horses before dropping them back on earth? Pretty funny, especially from a source like the FBI
One could also wonder why scientifically superior intergalactic civilizations that apparently have the means to traverse spacetime would have any need for such primitive research methods.
the same reason why we travel to mars to collect rocks
On April 15 2011 08:09 Talin wrote: One would wonder why scientifically superior intergalactic travelers would feel the need to randomly fly about like that for no apparent reason.
With party lights turned on.
That would make no sense indeed. It's much more likely they would fly making in spiral shaped clouds in the air instead.
No, that would just mean they stepped up the party even more.
If aliens actually made sense, we would either not be able to see them at all, or we would all be dead.
It's funny how this brand of media always makes it look like the aliens try to stay hidden, but for some unimaginable reasons they are VERY sloppy about it and horrible at keeping low profile. =P
On April 15 2011 08:14 ragingfungus wrote: For aliens to be able to visit our planet from outside our solar system there would have to be faster than light speed ships. Personally I think such a thing to likely be impossible. Traveling across the universe without such a thing is pretty unreasonable.
You need to keep in mind - from our current point of view in science. There might be things which are faster than light - we just havent been able to measure / observe them.
We can do and know stuff today which would seem equally impossible like aliens to someone living 1000years ago
i'm pretty sure it's not some made up shit such as angels, god, etc...
It could very well be another species from another planet ... especially the footage from the Jerusalem (where our current technology just does not allow us to accelerate at that rate)
On April 15 2011 08:10 prOxi.swAMi wrote: Has anyone read about the very recently declassified files released by the FBI about UFOs abducting, mutilating cows and horses before dropping them back on earth? Pretty funny, especially from a source like the FBI
One could also wonder why scientifically superior intergalactic civilizations that apparently have the means to traverse spacetime would have any need for such primitive research methods.
That actually has a very obvious explanation and here's a youtube video that details how they multilated the cows, step by step:
On April 15 2011 08:07 TadH wrote: I'd like some sources for everyone claiming all or most of these have been debunked or proven false/hoaxes.
Thanks.
Just because you can't disprove something doesnt make it true.
Don't put words in my mouth. If you read the thread there are people claiming that these specific instances and videos have been proven false or hoaxed, I would like the sources.
If you'd read the thread, you would've found the news articles linked already
Forgive me, but I must be blind, I cannot seem to find any linked articles.
On April 15 2011 08:10 prOxi.swAMi wrote: Has anyone read about the very recently declassified files released by the FBI about UFOs abducting, mutilating cows and horses before dropping them back on earth? Pretty funny, especially from a source like the FBI
One could also wonder why scientifically superior intergalactic civilizations that apparently have the means to traverse spacetime would have any need for such primitive research methods.
the same reason why we travel to mars to collect rocks
Well it's not like we have the technology or reasonable means to do anything else on Mars other than examining rocks.
On the other hand, anyone that has the technological level to visit our cozy planet from a galaxy far, far away would have absolutely no need to collect rocks or mutilate cows.
The problem seems to be that the sightings appear in several diferent forms: if an alien species came Earth to study our planet why do them bring spaceships with so many apparent technology ( some are spirals, some are single white dots, three dots, several dots. objects with a huge trail, etc.)? When we want to put a shuttle in orbit we use ONE technology since that one is the best we got. So why would them use so many technologies Why wouldn't they use the more effective technology that they know? You could argue that there are more than one species visiting us but that is very very improbable.
I believe that we aren't alone in the Universe. This is undeniable. But are they really visiting us? I have serious doubts... We need evidence. Not faith and unexplained weather effects.
On April 15 2011 06:31 R3m3mb3rM3 wrote: The jerusalem is proven fake the spirals are pretty crazy must admit well moskow... a cloud wow
really good video though i love ufo sightings as some of them amaze me some of them make me angry at the ppl who fake them if only that jerusalem video wasnt in there t.t its so bad faked i could do that also that phone call is proven fake too disappointing though ^^ was awsomely done
I agree that the video in the OP is pretty bs, most of those are probably fake.
However how come no one comments on this video? And the fact that you can actually find alot of those type of videos directly on nasa's website so they are definitely not altered. And how come no one gives a crap that reputable people and MULTIPLE astronauts have given their statements as to what they've seen when they went out into space. Sure some or maybe even most can be meteors but you cant explain every single one...like the ones that change direction. Its funny how the US spends a huge amount of their military budget on unknown shit yet its totally unbelievable that maybe some of that might be this type of shit. ASTRONAUTS tell you they've seen shit and been briefed on it, and some people dont even remotely accept the possibility of alien life or that maybe they do visit earth. You cant just write something off with " Oh why would an advanced cvilization care about us or why would they even bother coming over here?" how do YOU know what the motives of a civilization thousands of years more advanced than ours are? you dont.
There's thousands of people from government agencies that have testified on video and before congress as to what their experiences with this type of thing has been, what they've seen, been told, told to keep their mouths shut and so on... people usually say, well if there's some big cover up how come no one has spoken up? THEY HAVE. PEOPLE SPEAK UP ALL THE TIME but if you speak up you look like an idiot and are immediately written off. How many other scientists and "insiders" probably haven't come forward because of that, they don't want to be ridiculed and lose all of their credential. I'm sure a lot, maybe even MOST, of the accounts that people make (and im talking about reputable people with degrees in their area or jobs/careers in related fields) are fake, but there are some strong cases being made in which some people really have nothing to gain by admitting such things. I think these things need to be more closely examined. I can certainly admit the possibility that maybe all of this is bullshit and that maybe every single person to come forward (again, reputable people, not the nut jobs on channel 4) is lying, but then you have to concede that there is also a POSSIBILITY that not everyone is lying and maybe some of the official nasa footage might be real and some of the accounts of the astronauts are real and maybe the govt has been encouraging its employees to stay hush and perhaps with a good reason behind it. You have to. Period.
On April 15 2011 06:31 R3m3mb3rM3 wrote: The jerusalem is proven fake the spirals are pretty crazy must admit well moskow... a cloud wow
really good video though i love ufo sightings as some of them amaze me some of them make me angry at the ppl who fake them if only that jerusalem video wasnt in there t.t its so bad faked i could do that also that phone call is proven fake too disappointing though ^^ was awsomely done
I agree that the video in the OP is pretty bs, most of those are probably fake.
However how come no one comments on this video? And the fact that you can actually find alot of those type of videos directly on nasa's website so they are definitely not altered. And how come no one gives a crap that reputable people and MULTIPLE astronauts have given their statements as to what they've seen when they went out into space. Sure some or maybe even most can be meteors but you cant explain every single one...like the ones that change direction. Its funny how the US spends a huge amount of their military budget on unknown shit yet its totally unbelievable that maybe some of that might be this type of shit. ASTRONAUTS tell you they've seen shit and been briefed on it, and some people dont even remotely accept the possibility of alien life or that maybe they do visit earth. You cant just write something off with " Oh why would an advanced cvilization care about us or why would they even bother coming over here?" how do YOU know what the motives of a civilization thousands of years more advanced than ours are? you dont.
There's thousands of people from government agencies that have testified on video and before congress as to what their experiences with this type of thing has been, what they've seen, been told, told to keep their mouths shut and so on... people usually say, well if there's some big cover up how come no one has spoken up? THEY HAVE. PEOPLE SPEAK UP ALL THE TIME but if you speak up you look like an idiot and are immediately written off. How many other scientists and "insiders" probably haven't come forward because of that, they don't want to be ridiculed and lose all of their credential. I'm sure a lot, maybe even MOST, of the accounts that people make (and im talking about reputable people with degrees in their area or jobs/careers in related fields) are fake, but there are some strong cases being made in which some people really have nothing to gain by admitting such things. I think these things need to be more closely examined. I can certainly admit the possibility that maybe all of this is bullshit and that maybe every single person to come forward (again, reputable people, not the nut jobs on channel 4) is lying, but then you have to concede that there is also a POSSIBILITY that not everyone is lying and maybe some of the official nasa footage might be real and some of the accounts of the astronauts are real and maybe the govt has been encouraging its employees to stay hush and perhaps with a good reason behind it. You have to. Period.
I think Carl Sagan said it best in this thread. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence. None of those people you mention have managed to provide any.
On April 15 2011 06:31 R3m3mb3rM3 wrote: The jerusalem is proven fake the spirals are pretty crazy must admit well moskow... a cloud wow
really good video though i love ufo sightings as some of them amaze me some of them make me angry at the ppl who fake them if only that jerusalem video wasnt in there t.t its so bad faked i could do that also that phone call is proven fake too disappointing though ^^ was awsomely done
As for the conspiracy: "The government is hiding something! They must be hiding exactly what I think they're hiding. Aliens!" Faulty logic. Also, how is aliens more likely than test aircraft or whatever else they've said? Of course they don't want to talk about their new planes/balloons/fart powered rockets. The cultivation of alien conspiracy theories actually helps divert attention AWAY from what the government is ACTUALLY doing, because people go off chasing a ghost instead of asking more reasonable questions. Like, "how about they make a test aircraft that doesnt crash." And, "My tax money is going WHERE?"
As for eyewitnesses: People believe strange things: faith healings, bigfoot, leprechauns . These people who have seen leprechauns are the same type of people who have seen aliens. Not only that, much more intelligent people make gigantic errors. A study found that a majority (>70% if i recall correctly) of people actually REMEMBERED shaking hands with bugs bunny in disneyland as a child when shown a photograph of it happening. A) The picture was a fake photoshop job. B) This is actually impossible, since bugs is not a disney character. And yet, people fell for it. Ordinary people. I wouldn't trust average joe saying there are aliens. Just saying.
(EDIT: In fact, the government SHOULD just come out and tell us that theres an imminent alien threat, and we all need to pay double the taxes. They'd probably get away with it)
As for most of the pictures: have you seen what dirt and flakes of random junk look like on camera lenses? Exactly that.
As for the videos: I've seen stranger behavior out of dust and oil droplets. Keep in mind that all these videos are essentially two dimensional - something that LOOKS like its reversing direction or stopping could actually just be on a elliptical path. Nothing goes as you expect it in zero g. Heres a flame in zero g:
I think Carl Sagan said it best in this thread. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence. None of those people you mention have managed to provide any.
But we can all prove this is fake without evidence?
nothing is going to happen on 2012. No mass amounts of people will unexpectedly die, nothing is going to blow up. Now whether aliens are real is questionable, but this 2012 nonsense is a waste of time.
On April 15 2011 06:25 rel wrote: You're coming to the wrong website with this kind of stuff. Too many liberal atheist here to even consider hoping for some open-mindedness. If anything, I'll give you consolidation by saying I APPRECIATE the video, and yeah they are strange, but very awesome looking things.
On April 15 2011 06:13 gogogadgetflow wrote: Haha. Man I miss the days when I had imagination. The world must feel so full of possibility. Unfortunately my mind is restricted by reason nowadays.
There have people people in respected positions in government, miltary, aviation that have come forward and talked about there experiances with "ET" phenomenons.
Lots of this stuff out there. I don't frankly feel it's worth pursing at times. Even if you could prove it. It ain't going to change much.
I'd rather put my effort into re-newable energy projects and/or perma-culture.
Would be nice if there was intergalatic communication. As long as it enhanced the world.
Oh and for people who argue about the existance of aliens. It's pointless, from both perspective. You gain nothing from "proving" it, or "disproving" it.
Just a bunch of talking heads that go around and around in circles till their faces go red.
On April 15 2011 06:31 R3m3mb3rM3 wrote: The jerusalem is proven fake the spirals are pretty crazy must admit well moskow... a cloud wow
really good video though i love ufo sightings as some of them amaze me some of them make me angry at the ppl who fake them if only that jerusalem video wasnt in there t.t its so bad faked i could do that also that phone call is proven fake too disappointing though ^^ was awsomely done
I didn't say that the government HAS to be hiding aliens, if you read my post and took from it that I used that logic then please re read it. I am simply saying that we have to allow at least the POSSIBILITY that some of these things might be real. Because you are using the exact same logic to say that they arent real. I agree with you, partly. We must also allow the possibility that they arent real.
As for your eyewitness explanation, I said NOT THE AVERAGE "JOE". Im saying the people that have come forward from actual government agencies or related fields such as but not limited to: astronauts, air traffic control, former cia employees, former defense employees. People that have even provided documents. Sure, some or most are probably fake, but you can't just discount everything because of that. As for the video, sure it might be dust, a shitload of dust. But it might not be, and your experience with oil droplets or w.e doesn't explain it either.
On April 15 2011 08:36 HeavenS wrote: And how come no one gives a crap that reputable people and MULTIPLE astronauts have given their statements as to what they've seen when they went out into space. Sure some or maybe even most can be meteors but you cant explain every single one...like the ones that change direction. Its funny how the US spends a huge amount of their military budget on unknown shit yet its totally unbelievable that maybe some of that might be this type of shit. ASTRONAUTS tell you they've seen shit and been briefed on it, and some people dont even remotely accept the possibility of alien life or that maybe they do visit earth. You cant just write something off with " Oh why would an advanced cvilization care about us or why would they even bother coming over here?" how do YOU know what the motives of a civilization thousands of years more advanced than ours are? you dont.
There's thousands of people from government agencies that have testified on video and before congress as to what their experiences with this type of thing has been, what they've seen, been told, told to keep their mouths shut and so on... people usually say, well if there's some big cover up how come no one has spoken up? THEY HAVE. PEOPLE SPEAK UP ALL THE TIME but if you speak up you look like an idiot and are immediately written off. How many other scientists and "insiders" probably haven't come forward because of that, they don't want to be ridiculed and lose all of their credential. I'm sure a lot, maybe even MOST, of the accounts that people make (and im talking about reputable people with degrees in their area or jobs/careers in related fields) are fake, but there are some strong cases being made in which some people really have nothing to gain by admitting such things. I think these things need to be more closely examined. I can certainly admit the possibility that maybe all of this is bullshit and that maybe every single person to come forward (again, reputable people, not the nut jobs on channel 4) is lying, but then you have to concede that there is also a POSSIBILITY that not everyone is lying and maybe some of the official nasa footage might be real and some of the accounts of the astronauts are real and maybe the govt has been encouraging its employees to stay hush and perhaps with a good reason behind it. You have to. Period.
Uh, no I don't. Because not much of that makes any sense.
Which government are we talking about? There's more than one government on our planet. There's at least a dozen countries technologically capable of detecting and examining all these things. So is it ALL the governments then? Or is it just the USA government that seems to have exclusive access to the aliens?
Moreover, all the satellites and orbital installments are controlled by the governments, as are all the people involved with it. If the idea was to stay "hush, hush", it would be the easiest thing in the world to make sure nothing (including that video) ever comes out. Obviously nobody really cares so much about it to actually cover it up.
Everything we see on any video pretty much comes down to the blobs of light floating about. So for the past 50 or more years, these blobs of light were randomly floating about, making weird appearances in the sky, startling farmers and stealing cows (only to mutilate them and throw them back down).
Excuse me for questioning the motives of a highly advanced intergalactic empire of light blobs, but no matter what these objects may be, their entire apparent activity makes no impression of intelligent behavior or purpose whatsoever.
On April 15 2011 08:52 Lucid90 wrote: nothing is going to happen on 2012. No mass amounts of people will unexpectedly die, nothing is going to blow up. Now whether aliens are real is questionable, but this 2012 nonsense is a waste of time.
i wouldn't say nothing..apparently we are going to be able to view auroras from the equator near the end of 2012
On April 15 2011 09:06 Aruno wrote: Oh and for people who argue about the existance of aliens. It's pointless, from both perspective. You gain nothing from "proving" it, or "disproving" it.
I don't think you can really argue whether they exist or not. Life-forms elsewhere in the universe exist, it's statistically improbable for there not to be given the size of the universe.
Only thing you can argue is whether or not they could be intelligent, capable of communication, "close" to us, etc. But yes, either way, proving/disproving means nothing. Aliens don't matter until they contact us, or we contact them. ^^
Uh, no I don't. Because not much of that makes any sense.
Which government are we talking about? There's more than one government on our planet. There's at least a dozen countries technologically capable of detecting and examining all these things. So is it ALL the governments then? Or is it just the USA government that seems to have exclusive access to the aliens?
Moreover, all the satellites and orbital installments are controlled by the governments, as are all the people involved with it. If the idea was to stay "hush, hush", it would be the easiest thing in the world to make sure nothing (including that video) ever comes out. Obviously nobody really cares so much about it to actually cover it up.
Everything we see on any video pretty much comes down to the blobs of light floating about. So for the past 50 or more years, these blobs of light were randomly floating about, making weird appearances in the sky, startling farmers and stealing cows (only to mutilate them and throw them back down).
Excuse me for questioning the motives of a highly advanced intergalactic empire of light blobs, but no matter what these objects may be, their entire apparent activity makes no impression of intelligent behavior or purpose whatsoever.
Uh, yes you do. Because you are not all knowing. So the POSSIBILITY is there. You don't have final say on that.
Also when did i say the us govt or any govt for that matter had "access" to aliens? your trying to give my post a touch of ridiculousness with your wording to try and discredit it. Im not saying we're in constant communication or all buddy buddy with them and every govt official in the world knows it and is hiding it from the general population. Im saying that there is things that our government might not entirely be truthful about. Im saying this might be one of them, and maybe they have a reason for it. Its possible.
You're ultimately saying the accounts of people who are probably better placed to say such things than you are are ABSOLUTELY false with no grounds to say that yourself. That's ridiculous. However you make a good point, it seems its not very important to cover anything up anymore, the ufo spectacle, as it's become, is enough of a deterrent that maybe there's just no need to try and go on "hush hushing" everybody that wants to say something. Obviously that would do more harm than good. After all, who would believe the person speaking up? They'd just look crazy.
Perhaps the people that ARE told to keep quiet about these things, are the same people that are very involved with this type of research/projects. The only ones that truly matter. Not the security guard that works at the gate. Perhaps the people actually involved in the work see a purpose to keeping it quiet, and therefore don't require being told to shut up. In the end who knows? But to assume that you're 100% right is just as bad of a position to take on this argument as the person on the other side claiming he got abducted and he knows for sure were going to be invaded. ;/
On April 15 2011 06:29 BobGayman wrote: All of the things pictures in the video have been explained. Some of them are really fucking old. Is this a joke? Can I start selling tinfoil hats on here?
Lol, probably
I like some people's logic too. "I don't know what this is, therefore it's aliens/god/miracle". One "UFO" video in particular was actually the roof of a building and some light effect, and yet people defended it to death, even after it got debunked.
On April 15 2011 06:13 gogogadgetflow wrote: Haha. Man I miss the days when I had imagination. The world must feel so full of possibility. Unfortunately my mind is restricted by reason nowadays.
HeavenS do you realize there's a HUGE difference between "many astronauts from NASA confirm they've seen aliens" and "I saw this shitty video that SAID there were astronauts who seen aliens"? You probably have some difficulty to understand, but there's a huge difference between the 2.
One time at night a friend and me were returning from a booze binge to our dorm. I was sober, he had a couple drinks, and he pointed to the sky and said: "You see that shit?"
The sky was occasionally flashing as if from lightning and there was something up there that looked like a city in the clouds, with gigantic buildings. The lightning flashes revealed the shape of the architecture. I'm not making this up, he saw it and I saw it. Now I dont know whether that was just a reflection of our city on the ground in the sky or some interdimenensional sky city hidden from our view, but something was definitely up there and we both saw it.
My problem with 2012 isn't that I don't think it will happen I just want everyone saying it will happen to sign somewhere so I can put up absolute proof on Jan 1 2013 (or december 22 2012 since the 21st is when everythings supposed to happen) that they were all wrong and make them admit it (and if you are going to disagree with me about whether anything will happen just keep in mind that I will repost whatever you say on jan 1 '13)
I think Carl Sagan said it best in this thread. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence. None of those people you mention have managed to provide any.
But we can all prove this is fake without evidence?
yes actually. the burden of proof lies with the person posting the grainy blurred 3 second video clip watched the OPs video and most of them just look like either helicopters, jets or shooting stars. nothing even remotely close to any kind of proof, so i have no need to prove they arent aliens.
On April 15 2011 06:29 BobGayman wrote: All of the things pictures in the video have been explained. Some of them are really fucking old. Is this a joke? Can I start selling tinfoil hats on here?
If you can tell me 'who' explained every sighting in this video? Not just you reading some nerd in the youtube comments saying he's a scientist from Harvard and that these are just weather coincidences
So if I say it's God on the video it's a good explanation until a Harvard scientist comes along and spends time to make a research about it and release it in a reviewed jurnal where other scientists have to check his work again? Dubious claims can be rejected without the best minds of our society wasting their time on it.
I mean no offense, of course. It's just that sometimes you want it to be true so much you can convince yourself. Convincing others with good arguments is what is important, not who makes those arguments.
My point was that he is stating that these are proven to be fake.. I just wanted to know where he found out that every one of these sightings were proven fake, and who was proving it. If it's a youtube comment or a blog.. fuck that.
When I suggested that the beings in this video were perhaps angels, I wasn't trying to explain. I'm not trying to prove anything to anybody. I'm just trying to provoke thought and open minds
i put it to you that theres a giant talking kettle flying through the universe that will bring about the end of time. im not gonna bother to prove it, im just trying to spark some debates and open mindedness
On April 15 2011 09:47 MrBadMan wrote: One time at night a friend and me were returning from a booze binge to our dorm. I was sober, he had a couple drinks, and he pointed to the sky and said: "You see that shit?"
The sky was occasionally flashing as if from lightning and there was something up there that looked like a city in the clouds, with gigantic buildings. The lightning flashes revealed the shape of the architecture. I'm not making this up, he saw it and I saw it. Now I dont know whether that was just a reflection of our city on the ground in the sky or some interdimenensional sky city hidden from our view, but something was definitely up there and we both saw it.
Sounds like something from the book His Dark Materials by Philip Pullman. He wrote about the idea that there is some kind of portal to another dimension. ...which is possible. Physics speculate that there are multiple universes...maybe the membrane is thin at certain times for us to see into another...
Guys, I know aliens... That ain't it. I my self was once a Sontaran from the planet Sontar in the southern spiral arm of the galaxy. That was a loong time ago in my last life though.
On April 15 2011 09:48 Navillus wrote: My problem with 2012 isn't that I don't think it will happen I just want everyone saying it will happen to sign somewhere so I can put up absolute proof on Jan 1 2013 (or december 22 2012 since the 21st is when everythings supposed to happen) that they were all wrong and make them admit it (and if you are going to disagree with me about whether anything will happen just keep in mind that I will repost whatever you say on jan 1 '13)
Exactly. I'll be glad to post here at 1st January and I hope I'll get to Masters league by then. :D
Joke aside I try to not think much about all of this and I am trying to maintain neutral opinion about this kind of stuff because from where I am in my confy chair using my spare time to watch SC2 streams I am totally unable to make any definite conclusion about big subjects as "Do aliens exist? / Is 2012 for real? / Real UFOs or hoaxes? / etc etc etc"... but I have to say those videos of spiral lights over Norway look so unreal amazing no matter if it is hoax, natural phenomenon, failed missile or aliens.
I also watched entire "2001 National Press Club Event" of boredom and as much as I don't want to comment it I just have to say big props to them for not looking as bunch of crazy uneducated delusional conspiracy theorist... they at least had some class in their statements; if anything, was interesting watch.
Also I hoped that clip about "Aflockalypse" will give at least some kind of explanation but instead they just did plain and simple coverage of events and I tried to Google it and all I found was Wikipedia page about those happenings without any real explanation - so meeeeh.
On April 15 2011 09:25 ThaZenith wrote: I don't think you can really argue whether they exist or not. Life-forms elsewhere in the universe exist, it's statistically improbable for there not to be given the size of the universe.
Only thing you can argue is whether or not they could be intelligent, capable of communication, "close" to us, etc. But yes, either way, proving/disproving means nothing. Aliens don't matter until they contact us, or we contact them. ^^
While I pretty much agree with the principle, whether probability really favors the existence of life, especially intelligent life (relevant to humans) or not isn't so clear.
The conditions necessary for the development of even the most primitive life forms are extremely strict. On the other hand, all it takes is a random meteor of sufficient size smashing into the planet to completely annihilate life on it. The universe might be huge, but the near-perfect planets that can support life are still a rarity, and even on those planets it's still a huge gamble.
With highly intelligent life and civilizations, you also have not only natural, but social constraints as well. Society on any world still need to overcome all the difficulties we have today on Earth (cultural conflicts, planetary resource management, etc).
Ultimately, there's also the often overlooked constraint - time. The relevant question here is whether alien life forms actually coexist with us within our time frame. Taking relativity into account, this also limits the space that is actually relevant to us to a really small part of the entire universe. How small exactly depends on the context and what point in Earth's history you use as a point of reference (various stages in evolution of our species, first civilizations, first radio signal emission, etc) - can be anywhere from 2 million to only several hundred lightyears. Which is really small either way.
Throughout history there has been so many sighting and accounts, but people here dismiss them all based on thier limited knowledge. Nobody ever tries to "debunk" the footage of DR EDGAR MITCHELL and countless other sources who have no vested interest in lying about aliens. So i'm to take the word of some nerd on TL over countless military, astronauts, politicians, and other people who's opinion is worth alot.
Someone tell my why Kelly Johnson who created the Skunk WOrks project had a UFO experience and officially reported it.
Or that the former head of skunk works had a deathbed confession about them?
On April 15 2011 09:39 VIB wrote: HeavenS do you realize there's a HUGE difference between "many astronauts from NASA confirm they've seen aliens" and "I saw this shitty video that SAID there were astronauts who seen aliens"? You probably have some difficulty to understand, but there's a huge difference between the 2.
With the clear caption that your shitty video forgot to mention: "An overview image shows a scratch/scuff mark on Base Block window 1"
Just a scratch on a window. Not nasa admitting they took pictures of aliens.
That video is just as shitty and made up, mostly, of bad photoshops. Just like the shitty videos in the OP.
I don't like the condescending tone in your post. I understand things just fine actually. Also, your twisting my words. I never said "many astronauts confirm theyve seen aliens." never. Do you know the difference between an "alien" and a "ufo" ? "You probably have some difficulty to understand, but there's a huge difference between the 2." But since your so good with Google look it up.
Also, you pick the most obviously fake one, find an explanation for it, and just bundle up the rest of them with it. Never mind that i said most were probably fake/explainable to begin with. Oh and im not making up that some astronauts claim they've seen ufos and been BRIEFED on such events. Again, google it up.
On April 15 2011 10:12 ShogunRuaFan wrote: Throughout history there has been so many sighting and accounts, but people here dismiss them all based on thier limited knowledge. Nobody ever tries to "debunk" the footage of DR EDGAR MITCHELL and countless other sources who have no vested interest in lying about aliens. So i'm to take the word of some nerd on TL over countless military, astronauts, politicians, and other people who's opinion is worth alot.
Someone tell my why Kelly Johnson who created the Skunk WOrks project had a UFO experience and officially reported it. http://youtu.be/JwgqFd5ApZM
Or that the former head of skunk works had a deathbed confession about them?
There's even more military, astronauts and scientists whose opinion is worth a lot (more) on the other side as well. It's not like it's just "nerds on TL". In fact, astronauts and scientists who back alien sightings are in the minority.
And I'm sure deathbed confessions are a reliable source.
On April 15 2011 10:13 HeavenS wrote:Oh and im not making up that some astronauts claim they've seen ufos and been BRIEFED on such events. Again, google it up.
Did before posting, didn't find anything. You? Every single thing about that video that I DID find on google, proved to be fake. Did you find anything different?
On April 15 2011 10:12 ShogunRuaFan wrote: Throughout history there has been so many sighting and accounts, but people here dismiss them all based on thier limited knowledge. Nobody ever tries to "debunk" the footage of DR EDGAR MITCHELL and countless other sources who have no vested interest in lying about aliens. So i'm to take the word of some nerd on TL over countless military, astronauts, politicians, and other people who's opinion is worth alot.
Someone tell my why Kelly Johnson who created the Skunk WOrks project had a UFO experience and officially reported it. http://youtu.be/JwgqFd5ApZM
Or that the former head of skunk works had a deathbed confession about them?
i didnt realise being a astronaut made you an expert in using your eyes.
i cant even be bothered to explain how 5/6 people all claiming to of seen the same thing at the same time can easily be a practical joke, but if you want to believe its aliens go ahead. famous people never lie so im sure your right
On April 15 2011 06:31 R3m3mb3rM3 wrote: The jerusalem is proven fake the spirals are pretty crazy must admit well moskow... a cloud wow
really good video though i love ufo sightings as some of them amaze me some of them make me angry at the ppl who fake them if only that jerusalem video wasnt in there t.t its so bad faked i could do that also that phone call is proven fake too disappointing though ^^ was awsomely done
That Nasa video is more credible imo, pretty cool. The OP vid is pretty cool as well, although some of them look like "batman" like projections. I would love to believe all the alien stuff I see, but I just cant get behind it just like I cant get behind religion.
Im a big skeptic but some of those are freaking weird.
I do think there are life forms besides this planet out there simply given the sheer number of opportunities...but I doubt there is a galaxy out there that resembles star wars or such...
On April 15 2011 09:30 HeavenS wrote: Uh, yes you do. Because you are not all knowing. So the POSSIBILITY is there. You don't have final say on that.
I am indeed not all-knowing and if we're talking about the possibility of alien contact with Earth, sure the possibility is there (although probability doesn't favor it in the slightest).
However implying that randomly moving light blobs on Youtube videos of questionable credibility have anything to do with that "possibility" is just absurd. If there are aliens on or around this planet, it's not the light blobs and they don't abduct cows. Seriously. -_-
On April 15 2011 09:30 HeavenS wrote: Im saying that there is things that our government might not entirely be truthful about. Im saying this might be one of them, and maybe they have a reason for it. Its possible.
Yeah, that's a lot of mights and maybes, but what about other governments then? That was the point I was trying to make in my previous post.
On April 15 2011 09:30 HeavenS wrote: You're ultimately saying the accounts of people who are probably better placed to say such things than you are are ABSOLUTELY false with no grounds to say that yourself.
You're implying that there aren't plenty of people better placed than those you believe to be better placed than me to discuss such things - who say that the light blobs aren't aliens.
If you're questioning their credibility because you believe the government (pardon, goverments) controls them and is trying to cover it up, why do you have a problem with me questioning the credibility of people who speak about aliens when all they've really seen is light blobs (MAYBE)?
On April 15 2011 09:30 HeavenS wrote: However you make a good point, it seems its not very important to cover anything up anymore, the ufo spectacle, as it's become, is enough of a deterrent that maybe there's just no need to try and go on "hush hushing" everybody that wants to say something. Obviously that would do more harm than good. After all, who would believe the person speaking up? They'd just look crazy.
If you were trying to protect a really big secret, would you really rely on media manipulation, or would you just do it the old fashioned "don't tell anyone" way?
I don't think that the "let's make sure everyone hears this and hope they think it's insane" is a very safe and solid plan when it comes to covering things up.
On April 15 2011 09:30 HeavenS wrote: Perhaps the people that ARE told to keep quiet about these things, are the same people that are very involved with this type of research/projects. The only ones that truly matter. Not the security guard that works at the gate. Perhaps the people actually involved in the work see a purpose to keeping it quiet, and therefore don't require being told to shut up. In the end who knows? But to assume that you're 100% right is just as bad of a position to take on this argument as the person on the other side claiming he got abducted and he knows for sure were going to be invaded.
I really don't think what I'm saying is in any way comparable to a person who claims to have been abducted by light blobs.
Not sure if I can truly believe any of it, but I will say that it is absolutely creepy as hell. But I honestly don't believe the 2012 theory, nor believe that UFOs are connected to it.
On April 15 2011 09:25 ThaZenith wrote: I don't think you can really argue whether they exist or not. Life-forms elsewhere in the universe exist, it's statistically improbable for there not to be given the size of the universe.
Only thing you can argue is whether or not they could be intelligent, capable of communication, "close" to us, etc. But yes, either way, proving/disproving means nothing. Aliens don't matter until they contact us, or we contact them. ^^
While I pretty much agree with the principle, whether probability really favors the existence of life, especially intelligent life (relevant to humans) or not isn't so clear.
The conditions necessary for the development of even the most primitive life forms are extremely strict. On the other hand, all it takes is a random meteor of sufficient size smashing into the planet to completely annihilate life on it. The universe might be huge, but the near-perfect planets that can support life are still a rarity, and even on those planets it's still a huge gamble
Over a hundred in our galaxy, with an estimated 125billion galaxies in the universe? Ya, planets that can support life are hard to come across.
I'm not arguing if intelligent life could survive in our timespan or anything like that. Thinking earth is the only planet with life out of untold hundreds of billions of suitable ones is silly. Even if "probability" of life is one in a billion (unlikely it's that low) that's still hundreds of planets with life. ^^
On April 15 2011 10:13 HeavenS wrote:Oh and im not making up that some astronauts claim they've seen ufos and been BRIEFED on such events. Again, google it up.
Did before posting, didn't find anything. You? Every single thing about that video that I DID find on google, proved to be fake. Did you find anything different?
Buzz Aldrin Gordon Cooper Edgar Mitchell more Edgar Mitchell Pavel Popovich
theres more, there are even some videos with the actual audio of some of these missions. In which you hear them talking about the things they are seeing.
On April 15 2011 09:30 HeavenS wrote: Uh, yes you do. Because you are not all knowing. So the POSSIBILITY is there. You don't have final say on that.
I am indeed not all-knowing and if we're talking about the possibility of alien contact with Earth, sure the possibility is there (although probability doesn't favor it in the slightest).
However implying that randomly moving light blobs on Youtube videos of questionable credibility have anything to do with that "possibility" is just absurd. If there are aliens on or around this planet, it's not the light blobs and they don't abduct cows. Seriously. -_-
On April 15 2011 09:30 HeavenS wrote: Im saying that there is things that our government might not entirely be truthful about. Im saying this might be one of them, and maybe they have a reason for it. Its possible.
Yeah, that's a lot of mights and maybes, but what about other governments then? That was the point I was trying to make in my previous post.
On April 15 2011 09:30 HeavenS wrote: You're ultimately saying the accounts of people who are probably better placed to say such things than you are are ABSOLUTELY false with no grounds to say that yourself.
You're implying that there aren't plenty of people better placed than those you believe to be better placed than me to discuss such things - who say that the light blobs aren't aliens.
If you're questioning their credibility because you believe the government (pardon, goverments) controls them and is trying to cover it up, why do you have a problem with me questioning the credibility of people who speak about aliens when all they've really seen is light blobs (MAYBE)?
On April 15 2011 09:30 HeavenS wrote: However you make a good point, it seems its not very important to cover anything up anymore, the ufo spectacle, as it's become, is enough of a deterrent that maybe there's just no need to try and go on "hush hushing" everybody that wants to say something. Obviously that would do more harm than good. After all, who would believe the person speaking up? They'd just look crazy.
If you were trying to protect a really big secret, would you really rely on media manipulation, or would you just do it the old fashioned "don't tell anyone" way?
I don't think that the "let's make sure everyone hears this and hope they think it's insane" is a very safe and solid plan when it comes to covering things up.
On April 15 2011 09:30 HeavenS wrote: Perhaps the people that ARE told to keep quiet about these things, are the same people that are very involved with this type of research/projects. The only ones that truly matter. Not the security guard that works at the gate. Perhaps the people actually involved in the work see a purpose to keeping it quiet, and therefore don't require being told to shut up. In the end who knows? But to assume that you're 100% right is just as bad of a position to take on this argument as the person on the other side claiming he got abducted and he knows for sure were going to be invaded.
I really don't think what I'm saying is in any way comparable to a person who claims to have been abducted by light blobs.
I agree with alot of what youre saying Talin. I wanna keep responding to all of the points your bringing up, but i realize that it is futile because ultimately we will never really know for a fact. so fuck it, all we can do is speculate until et lands and waves so it is what it is.
On April 15 2011 06:24 EternaL_9 wrote: Yeah, I realize some of them may be spectacular weather sightings (spiral above norway) but this thread is about the very particular glowing figures. I don't know how those could be 'weather'
On April 15 2011 06:33 Zilver wrote: They don't have to be weather phenomenons either. Just taking as example the spiral thing in norway, that was a rocket/missile that had started spinning around because of it becoming unbalanced somehow. The arms were just the rocket fuel.
what is your proof, you just happen to work for the Norway's military at the place of the sighting and be high in command to know that a missile has been shot and spiraled out of control ?
So instead of posting empty words, provide proof, a video, a transcript or whatever that it was indeed a missile.
Did you know that Earth is actually still flat? Or have you actually left the planet so you could see it from outside?
To be fair, the world was known not to be flat long before air/space travel. The ancient Greeks calculated the size of the Earth to a high degree of accuracy by using the shadows of tall structures.
On April 15 2011 07:01 MidKnight wrote: The saddest thing for me whenever I watch these kind of "prophetic" videos is that once they are debunked, people who originally preached somehow 'forget' that it happened. And then when the next time a similar situation arises, they act as if *THIS* time "it will be for real".
So annoying
And then there's people like me who laugh at close minded people like you. I realize some of these have been debunked (Norway, Jerusalem), accept the proof of it or don't, I don't really care. But there's more than 2 sightings in this video, and I doubt all of them have been scientifically proven to be fake. Until then, keep an open mind.
Actually it's you who is not keeping an open mind. You want angels to exist for some reason, then you get hyper defensive when others point out flaws in that line of thinking.
There's so many weather phenomena and explanations that these things are just ridiculous nowdays. Anybody who thinks aliens would travel across the universe to do stupid shit in the stratosphere or abduct every un-creditable person on the planet is a idiot.
On April 15 2011 13:14 Krehlmar wrote: God there's stupid people in this world...
There's so many weather phenomena and explanations that these things are just ridiculous nowdays. Anybody who thinks aliens would travel across the universe to do stupid shit in the stratosphere or abduct every un-creditable person on the planet is a idiot.
Don't take this as me agreeing that those videos some how prove there is alien life, but saying that last thing is a little idiotic in its own rights is it not? I mean speaking from an exploratory stand point upon arrival you're not going to really know who's the one you want let a lone actually understand anything about communication etc.
If this is what the aliens ships end up looking like when we do make contact, then I am disappoint. I don't want any pansy balls or clouds, I want some District 9 or Battlefield LA megaships.
On April 15 2011 06:33 Zilver wrote: They don't have to be weather phenomenons either. Just taking as example the spiral thing in norway, that was a rocket/missile that had started spinning around because of it becoming unbalanced somehow. The arms were just the rocket fuel.
what is your proof, you just happen to work for the Norway's military at the place of the sighting and be high in command to know that a missile has been shot and spiraled out of control ?
So instead of posting empty words, provide proof, a video, a transcript or whatever that it was indeed a missile.
Did you know that Earth is actually still flat? Or have you actually left the planet so you could see it from outside?
To be fair, the world was known not to be flat long before air/space travel. The ancient Greeks calculated the size of the Earth to a high degree of accuracy by using the shadows of tall structures.
To be fair, that is no different from the bible or a random person using calculations and claims the earth is square. But to be fair, maybe you should check the context in which I posted it and to whom I replied with it.
On April 15 2011 06:33 Zilver wrote: They don't have to be weather phenomenons either. Just taking as example the spiral thing in norway, that was a rocket/missile that had started spinning around because of it becoming unbalanced somehow. The arms were just the rocket fuel.
what is your proof, you just happen to work for the Norway's military at the place of the sighting and be high in command to know that a missile has been shot and spiraled out of control ?
So instead of posting empty words, provide proof, a video, a transcript or whatever that it was indeed a missile.
Did you know that Earth is actually still flat? Or have you actually left the planet so you could see it from outside?
To be fair, the world was known not to be flat long before air/space travel. The ancient Greeks calculated the size of the Earth to a high degree of accuracy by using the shadows of tall structures.
To be fair, that is no different from the bible or a random person using calculations and claims the earth is square.
Obviously it's not, lol, and I can't believe someone would say that. One uses logical reasoning, the other two just provide statements without any kind of proof. Do you think some greek dude sat down and just calculated the shadow of a stone and said: "yeah pretty sure that means earth has a width of x, and you better believe it otherwise you're going to hell". There's a lot more to it than that.
On April 15 2011 06:10 EternaL_9 wrote: Perhaps the 'aliens' are the ones who knew that in 2012 our world would be colonized, hence the mayans ending their calender work in 2012.
What I find fascinating is how most people consider aliens to be gods of predicting and calculating. We humans, who have mastered quite a lot in statistics and math, can't even predict the economy for like 2 Weeks (even more so the weather).
I find it hilarious to think, that like 5000Y ago, some Aliens told the Mayans "Yo dawgs, in year 2012 we gonna come and get y'all!"
-> incredibly unlikely, if they get caught in a UFO traffic jam and get late they will look like fools!
I'm an Atheist myself, and I don't believe in aliens, at least not near Earth anyway. (I believe in other life forms somewhere in space though)
One day, my GF and I were sitting at my moms place at night talking with some of their friends and generally just enjoying ourselves. At one time my GF points to the sky and asks me what 'that' is. In the night sky was a small white dot, flying in a linear path, I assured her that it was probably a plane or a satellite (can we see satellites from earth?). Our eyes followed its path, and suddenly without warning, it turned 90 degrees and went in the exact opposite direction. This was quite strange and I immediately thought that it had to be a pretty agile aircraft to make that turn (jet perhaps?), but honestly, I didn't know what it could have been. It very much looked like some of those video instances in this video, although, as I said before, I still believe it to be something explainable and rather boring.
This was in Denmark, last summer. (almost a year ago from now)
On April 15 2011 06:33 Zilver wrote: They don't have to be weather phenomenons either. Just taking as example the spiral thing in norway, that was a rocket/missile that had started spinning around because of it becoming unbalanced somehow. The arms were just the rocket fuel.
what is your proof, you just happen to work for the Norway's military at the place of the sighting and be high in command to know that a missile has been shot and spiraled out of control ?
So instead of posting empty words, provide proof, a video, a transcript or whatever that it was indeed a missile.
Did you know that Earth is actually still flat? Or have you actually left the planet so you could see it from outside?
To be fair, the world was known not to be flat long before air/space travel. The ancient Greeks calculated the size of the Earth to a high degree of accuracy by using the shadows of tall structures.
To be fair, that is no different from the bible or a random person using calculations and claims the earth is square. But to be fair, maybe you should check the context in which I posted it and to whom I replied with it.
First three links from a google search. What 'random calculations?' I actually agree with your standpoint in the burden of proof argument, but your analogy is very poor.
Gotta love the logic of these UFO videos. Step 1: Observe odd visual phenomenon. Step 2: Refuse and deny naturalistic explanations. Step 3: Assume that it's an alien spaceship.
...really?
Humans are natural "agent" seekers. We observe a phenomenon that we can't explain, and we assume that an intelligent agent was behind it. This was an evolutionary adaption that conferred an advantage onto us. If our ancestors heard a noise in the bush and assumed it was a lion and gtfo, they lived. If they heard a noise and assumed it was the wind but it was actually a lion, they get eaten. Ancient civilizations did it with weather (they assumed Gods did it), some modern religious people do it with Intelligent Design, and I do it today when I hear noises when I'm alone in my house. It's a natural, ingrained, and irrational assumption.
On April 15 2011 18:22 Pixilated wrote: Gotta love the logic of these UFO videos. Step 1: Observe odd visual phenomenon. Step 2: Refuse and deny naturalistic explanations. Step 3: Assume that it's an alien spaceship.
...really?
Humans are natural "agent" seekers. We observe a phenomenon that we can't explain, and we assume that an intelligent agent was behind it. This was an evolutionary adaption that conferred an advantage onto us. If our ancestors heard a noise in the bush and assumed it was a lion and gtfo, they lived. If they heard a noise and assumed it was the wind but it was actually a lion, they get eaten. Ancient civilizations did it with weather (they assumed Gods did it), some modern religious people do it with Intelligent Design, and I do it today when I hear noises when I'm alone in my house. It's a natural, ingrained, and irrational assumption.
The stupid logic can go both ways. Observe it and claim there's someone/thing behind it, or observe it and say it was just a coincidence (naturalistic explanation).
Why I thought these sightings were unique / interesting.. most of them looked the exact same with multiple videos behind them. I have not heard any 'naturalistic explanations' of the specific ones I'm talking about (I realize SOME of them are fake, people). Until then, because I find it interesting, I can theory craft about what they might be and put the puzzle pieces together. How is that ANY more wrong than seeing something like this video and automatically making a post like you saying everyone else who believes this is an idiot?
I'm tired of internet assholes who think that posting in a thread saying how everyone else is dumb will SOMEHOW make them cooler. It doesn't.
If you want to contribute theorycraft, give real examples of debunking these.. etc.. Don't just come in here and say something to the extent of "Every single one of these videos are fake. You people are stupid for thinking they are real. I give no proof of anything but somehow my points hold more weight than yours. L8R". FFS.
On April 15 2011 10:13 HeavenS wrote:Oh and im not making up that some astronauts claim they've seen ufos and been BRIEFED on such events. Again, google it up.
Did before posting, didn't find anything. You? Every single thing about that video that I DID find on google, proved to be fake. Did you find anything different?
theres more, there are even some videos with the actual audio of some of these missions. In which you hear them talking about the things they are seeing.
Sigh.........
You are aware that, by definition, a piece of shit thrown to the air is officially an UFO until closely analized and identified as something else, right? If you conclude aliens from any of those videos I don't really know what else to tell you...
"Aldrin confirmed that there was no such sighting of anything deemed extraterrestrial, and said they were and are "99.9 percent" sure that the object was the detached panel.
On April 15 2011 18:43 EternaL_9 wrote: If you want to contribute theorycraft, give real examples of debunking these.. etc.. Don't just come in here and say something to the extent of "Every single one of these videos are fake. You people are stupid for thinking they are real. I give no proof of anything but somehow my points hold more weight than yours. L8R". FFS.
Many of these HAVE been debunked throughout the thread. You have been ignoring them. Not many people are giving you too much detailed proof because not many are willing to waste their time with people like you. Since these are so poorly made that it should be clear for anyone. You don't need to source an external specialist to look at a crappy video and see an amateur photoshop job.
On April 15 2011 06:10 EternaL_9 wrote: All of them appear to glow, perhaps Angelic.
Yes..yes, Angelic Aliens. Maybe we should abbreviate them AA. Would love to have some of those things around, aliens are so 1947 & angels aren't exactly the freshest thing around either. But Angelic Aliens, now that might just be the next hipster thing you know.
On April 15 2011 06:10 EternaL_9 wrote: There always has been speculations that old civilizations were in contact with the aliens, to help them build the insane structures they built (pyramids, Stonehenge). Perhaps the 'aliens' are the ones who knew that in 2012 our world would be colonized, hence the mayans ending their calender work in 2012.
Do you realize that this is the plot of the X-Files?
If you want to contribute theorycraft, give real examples of debunking these.. etc.. Don't just come in here and say something to the extent of "Every single one of these videos are fake. You people are stupid for thinking they are real. I give no proof of anything but somehow my points hold more weight than yours. L8R". FFS.
WE aren't the ones that have to provide the extraordinary evidence required to prove these extraordinary claims. YOU should provide US with extraordinary evidence. A few shitty youtube videos and some stories from rambling insane people does not constitute extraordinary evidence. Government officials from countries around the world telling us there are aliens while providing credible evidence and being backed up by all the complete governments would be a good start.
Of course a giant alien shapeship appearing in my backyard would do the trick too.
The only people being closeminded here are people like you, "It can't be explained, so it must be aliens!" and then when we try to talk reason with you, you go like "Wawawawawa I can't hear you!"
I suggest you watch that video about openmindedness posted earlier in this thread.
I'm willing to believe anything as long as it's supplied with good, credible evidence.
If you want to contribute theorycraft, give real examples of debunking these.. etc.. Don't just come in here and say something to the extent of "Every single one of these videos are fake. You people are stupid for thinking they are real. I give no proof of anything but somehow my points hold more weight than yours. L8R". FFS.
WE aren't the ones that have to provide the extraordinary evidence required to prove these extraordinary claims. YOU should provide US with extraordinary evidence. A few shitty youtube videos and some stories from rambling insane people does not constitute extraordinary evidence. Government officials from countries around the world telling us there are aliens while providing credible evidence and being backed up by the complete government would be a good start.
Of course a giant alien shapeship appearing in my backyard would do the trick too.
The only people being closeminded here are people like you, "It can't be explained, so it must be aliens!" and then when we try to talk reason with you, you go like "Wawawawawa I can't hear you!"
I suggest you watched that video about openmindedness posted earlier in this thread.
I'm willing to believe anything as long as it's supplied with good, credible evidence.
Here's the most important and obvious thing you missed.
You're trying to prove something to me. You're trying to state a fact (these videos absolutely are not real). I'm not. That is why I don't have to have scientific evidence and you do.
TLDR of this whole stupid discussion that you somehow cannot comprehend. I came here and said, hey guys, theres these really cool videos what do you think? aliens? fearmongering?hoax? Then you come in here and call everyone an idiot for even thinking for JUST a second that these MIGHT be real.
I merely made this thread to provoke thought, not claim or state ALIENS R REALZ.
If you want to contribute theorycraft, give real examples of debunking these.. etc.. Don't just come in here and say something to the extent of "Every single one of these videos are fake. You people are stupid for thinking they are real. I give no proof of anything but somehow my points hold more weight than yours. L8R". FFS.
WE aren't the ones that have to provide the extraordinary evidence required to prove these extraordinary claims. YOU should provide US with extraordinary evidence. A few shitty youtube videos and some stories from rambling insane people does not constitute extraordinary evidence. Government officials from countries around the world telling us there are aliens while providing credible evidence and being backed up by the complete government would be a good start.
Of course a giant alien shapeship appearing in my backyard would do the trick too.
The only people being closeminded here are people like you, "It can't be explained, so it must be aliens!" and then when we try to talk reason with you, you go like "Wawawawawa I can't hear you!"
I suggest you watched that video about openmindedness posted earlier in this thread.
I'm willing to believe anything as long as it's supplied with good, credible evidence.
Here's the most important and obvious thing you missed.
You're trying to prove something to me. You're trying to state a fact (these videos absolutely are not real). I'm not. That is why I don't have to have scientific evidence and you do.
I merely made this thread to provoke thought, not claim or state ALIENS R REALZ.
I haven't said the videos are fake at all. I haven't even said anything about stuff being fake. I am saying it is highly unlikely they are real. Therefore they are not sufficient evidence to prove that aliens are visiting earth. That is all.
Then you come in here and call everyone an idiot for even thinking for JUST a second that these MIGHT be real.
Point me to the part where I called other people idiots.
Point me to the part where I called other people idiots.
You were speaking in terms of "WE" or "US". I was, in the post you first quoted, speaking to someone who was saying basically that people who were contributing to this thread were idiots. You quoted me, and said that "WE" don't need to provide proof. You answered your own question. By saying WE you basically took an opposing side.
Essentially, why come in here and take the side of someone calling me an idiot (someone who by saying that, says that they believe this video is 100% not real / all fake) if you don't absolutely believe they are fake too?
Point me to the part where I called other people idiots.
You were speaking in terms of "WE" or "US". I was, in the post you first quoted, speaking to someone who was saying basically that people who were contributing to this thread were idiots. You quoted me, and said that "WE" don't need to provide proof. You answered your own question. By saying WE you basically took an opposing side.
Essentially, why come in here and take the side of someone calling me an idiot (someone who by saying that, says that they believe this video is 100% not real / all fake) if you don't absolutely believe they are fake too?
I was unaware that disagreeing with you actually means calling you an idiot.
With 'WE' I obviously meant people that do not immediately believe alien sightings on crappy youtube videos. It's your privilege to believe crappy youtube videos, it does not make you an idiot, but saying we are closeminded for requiring actual credible evidence is stupid.
I'll tell you a little secret, I even want to believe! But I don't believe every alien sighting, every alien abduction story and lone government official 'coming out' just because. I have never read, seen nor heard about any credible alien story, so unless you provide me with more evidence than youtube videos (for example president Obama saying aliens are real while being backed up by governments around the world and then showing millions of people the aliens) I will continue to believe that these videos are highly unlikely to be true and that we probably haven't been visited by aliens.
Of course a Deathstar appearing in the night sky and obliterating our planet is fine too.
Common guys, everyone should know aliens are fictional creatures made up to sell books and movies. All sightings can either be explained by natural events or time travelers.
Atleast these video's are working good on the emotional part of the brain, inducing fear and awe.
Unfortunately, they put up the requiem for a dream behind it, just like ALL OF THOSE KIND OF VIDEO'S. When will people actually start looking around for other music rather than putting in the first piece that comes to mind because you heard it in that other video. This actually really pisses me off and completely makes this video a miss for me.
If the maker was so busy on collecting the sightings and the conversation, he could atleast have put more effort in finding a non-overused piece of music.
On April 15 2011 09:30 HeavenS wrote: Uh, yes you do. Because you are not all knowing. So the POSSIBILITY is there. You don't have final say on that.
Admitting there is a "possibility" is inconsequential. Some possibilities are a lot more plausible than others, and acting upon them as plausible is just flawed thinking. Read the "wallet analogy" on one of the first pages again. You can keep believing you have 100§ in your wallet, although it's more likely you have 5§, but acting according to that belief is likely to cause yourself problems. So what I am saying here is, we can't prove you wrong, but we can point out that entertaining the idea of extraterrestrials visiting earth in secret is unproductive/naive.
The videos you later posted only strengthen this perspective. Some provide more plausible explanations (Buzz Aldrin / panels) than existence of extraterrestrials. Other talk about intuition and refer to "all the evidence" without putting anything forth (Edgar Mitchell), feeding the assumptions of people who want to believe, but putting actually nothing to the table. When people are left with an unknown they tend to jump to conclusions (government is hiding something -> must be UFOs), but as many has pointed out this is a flawed way of reasoning.
The possibility of intelligent aliens visiting earth gives no reason to believe it.
I think people have to be incredibly blind folded to believe we are alone in a supposed infinite universe.
If you don't think there are smater guys out there that have been observing the planets, then you probably think that the earth is in the center of the universe, man is the image of god, and man is the most evoluted species in THE WHOLE FUCKING UNIVERSE. which seems quite big...
UFO is as stupid as the fact that the earth is round. you believe in it because it make sense, but there are always people saying that as long as a figure of authpority doesn't express it loudly, it's fake.
On April 15 2011 21:34 Diks wrote: I think people have to be incredibly blind folded to believe we are alone in a supposed infinite universe.
The possibility of other lifeforms in the universe is almost undeniable, however the possibility of them having visited earth, supposedly making flashy lights in the sky, abducting humans and mutilating cows is laughable at best.
On April 15 2011 06:13 gogogadgetflow wrote: Haha. Man I miss the days when I had imagination. The world must feel so full of possibility. Unfortunately my mind is restricted by reason nowadays.
Cool vid.
oh you're the one person in the world that can identify every single "UFO" sighting in the world... You could make bank off that dude.
If you want to contribute theorycraft, give real examples of debunking these.. etc.. Don't just come in here and say something to the extent of "Every single one of these videos are fake. You people are stupid for thinking they are real. I give no proof of anything but somehow my points hold more weight than yours. L8R". FFS.
WE aren't the ones that have to provide the extraordinary evidence required to prove these extraordinary claims. YOU should provide US with extraordinary evidence. A few shitty youtube videos and some stories from rambling insane people does not constitute extraordinary evidence. Government officials from countries around the world telling us there are aliens while providing credible evidence and being backed up by all the complete governments would be a good start.
Of course a giant alien shapeship appearing in my backyard would do the trick too.
The only people being closeminded here are people like you, "It can't be explained, so it must be aliens!" and then when we try to talk reason with you, you go like "Wawawawawa I can't hear you!"
I suggest you watch that video about openmindedness posted earlier in this thread.
I'm willing to believe anything as long as it's supplied with good, credible evidence.
Lol I can't believe how you mangled and twisted that around on him... I don't really care if there are or are not aliens but your post made me laugh. How are the people that think there could be aliens the close minded ones? They are the ones that are opening the minds to all possibilities, sure there are some people that take that to the extreme and refuse any other explanation but that can be said for people who don't believe in aliens as well.
Can someone find a similar large scale hoax such as the UFO one ? A hoax that is spreading for more than 60 years... Thousands of "fake" witnesses and fake pictures... If this is a hoax, why is it so large scaled ? I don't get it... What is the point fos hoaxes like theses ; I really don't get why some old retired guys would make such a canular...
I would like your honest opinions TLers. What did push so many humans to pretend the same hoax ?
On April 15 2011 21:56 Diks wrote: Can someone find a similar large scale hoax such as the UFO one ? A hoax that is spreading for more than 60 years... Thousands of "fake" witnesses and fake pictures... If this is a hoax, why is it so large scaled ? I don't get it... I would like to konw what you think TLers !
Of course there is the possibility of extra-terrestrial life in the universe. In fact, given the limited knowledge we have about the structure of the universe it is highly likely. Someone as intelligent and perceptive as Hawking was quick to realize this and its potential implications. However, the idea that we would come into contact with it in the current day with such huge distances between us and even the nearest star is so unlikely that it is almost ludicrous and it is even less likely that such life would be as far along, evolutionarily speaking, as us. All of this makes extraterrestrial contact theories incredibly difficult to believe. As far as the video itself goes, every incident mentioned has been satisfactorily explained and agreed upon by the peer-reviewed scientific, historical, and aviation communities in ways that do not involve extraterrestrial contact. If you are interested, you might try:
These are just a sampling of the information available on some of these incidents. One might also consider the source of many of the T.V. news reports shown in the video and its well established propensity for unscientific and often unreliable journalism...
If you want to contribute theorycraft, give real examples of debunking these.. etc.. Don't just come in here and say something to the extent of "Every single one of these videos are fake. You people are stupid for thinking they are real. I give no proof of anything but somehow my points hold more weight than yours. L8R". FFS.
WE aren't the ones that have to provide the extraordinary evidence required to prove these extraordinary claims. YOU should provide US with extraordinary evidence. A few shitty youtube videos and some stories from rambling insane people does not constitute extraordinary evidence. Government officials from countries around the world telling us there are aliens while providing credible evidence and being backed up by all the complete governments would be a good start.
Of course a giant alien shapeship appearing in my backyard would do the trick too.
The only people being closeminded here are people like you, "It can't be explained, so it must be aliens!" and then when we try to talk reason with you, you go like "Wawawawawa I can't hear you!"
I suggest you watch that video about openmindedness posted earlier in this thread.
I'm willing to believe anything as long as it's supplied with good, credible evidence.
Lol I can't believe how you mangled and twisted that around on him... I don't really care if there are or are not aliens but your post made me laugh. How are the people that think there could be aliens the close minded ones? They are the ones that are opening the minds to all possibilities, sure there are some people that take that to the extreme and refuse any other explanation but that can be said for people who don't believe in aliens as well.
It's the fact that he believes in those videos even though there is no evidence supporting them, and when people here tell him that most (all?) of the videos have been debunked and that it is infinitely more likely that it was a weather phenomenon or missile/aircraft test or god knows what human or natural thing, he calls us closeminded. That is true closemindedness, believing in stuff without evidence and then refusing to listen to other people.
Also, notice how I've never stated there are no aliens. Another also, opening your mind to all possibilities does not imply good openmindedness, watch the openmindedness video posted earlier in this thread.
On April 15 2011 21:56 Diks wrote: Can someone find a similar large scale hoax such as the UFO one ? A hoax that is spreading for more than 60 years... Thousands of "fake" witnesses and fake pictures... If this is a hoax, why is it so large scaled ? I don't get it... What is the point fos hoaxes like theses ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk I really don't get why some ole retired guys would make such a canular...
I would like your hinest opinions TLers. What did push so many humans to pretend the same hoax ?
You need to spend about a week on 4chan and you'll start to understand
On April 15 2011 06:10 EternaL_9 wrote: There always has been speculations that old civilizations were in contact with the aliens, to help them build the insane structures they built (pyramids, Stonehenge). Perhaps the 'aliens' are the ones who knew that in 2012 our world would be colonized, hence the mayans ending their calender work in 2012.
Do you realize that this is the plot of the X-Files?
aand the plot of Fringe, wich is a realy great show if you get the actual story. Lets talk about Fringe cause its a freaking good show and the seasons finale is in the next weeks ok?!
anyways dont know if its been posted but for information, The Drake Equation:
This video clearly do not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Aliens exists.
However, similarly there is no evidence from the other side that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that Aliens don't exist nor have made contact with humans.
On April 15 2011 06:10 EternaL_9 wrote: There always has been speculations that old civilizations were in contact with the aliens, to help them build the insane structures they built (pyramids, Stonehenge). Perhaps the 'aliens' are the ones who knew that in 2012 our world would be colonized, hence the mayans ending their calender work in 2012.
Do you realize that this is the plot of the X-Files?
aand the plot of Fringe, wich is a realy great show if you get the actual story. Lets talk about Fringe cause its a freaking good show and the seasons finale is in the next weeks ok?!
anyways dont know if its been posted but for information, The Drake Equation:
Criticism of the Drake equation follows mostly from the observation that several terms in the equation are largely or entirely based on conjecture. Thus the equation cannot be used to draw firm conclusions of any kind. As T.J. Nelson states: The Drake equation consists of a large number of probabilities multiplied together. Since each factor is guaranteed to be somewhere between 0 and 1, the result is also guaranteed to be a reasonable-looking number between 0 and 1. Unfortunately, all the probabilities are completely unknown, making the result worse than useless. [...] One reply to such criticisms is that even though the Drake equation currently involves speculation about unmeasured parameters, it was not meant to be science, but intended as a way to stimulate dialogue on these topics. Then the focus becomes how to proceed experimentally. Indeed, Drake originally formulated the equation merely as an agenda for discussion at the Green Bank conference.
On April 15 2011 22:32 GarlicSauce wrote: Similarly, the explanation of paranormal phenomena is impossible to people who need absolute scientific proof to decide if something is real or not.
If something can't be explained doesn't mean it isn't 'real'...
"It cannot be explained" -> "Thus it is supernatural" is a flawed way of thinking. Basically you're saying that something cannot be explained, and then you explain it by saying it is supernatural, which is a contradiction. Something that cannot be explained is just that, unexplainable.
Go watch the openmindedness video posted earlier in this thread and you'll save yourself a lot of trouble with flawed reasoning in your life.
On April 15 2011 06:10 EternaL_9 wrote: There's this great video that puts together many videos of extremely similiar UFO sightings across the world. Evidence with crowds of people watching the UFOs. All of them appear to glow, perhaps Angelic. Usually in pairs or 3-4 across the world, and in some cases causing a huge golden trail behind them.
Meteor shower? The ones that float can be explained by plenty of things. Many of those things look like images projected onto clouds from the ground....by a projector.
On April 15 2011 06:10 EternaL_9 wrote: I realize most UFO sightings are a hoax, but I think SOME these are convincingly real. They all look the exact same, golden glowing figures flying through the sky. I don't want to sound crazy, but my mind tends to wonder.. what are they? Angels? I'm not religious but I know in the bible it says the world will mourn before the second coming.
And the world hasn't mourned before? WWII? Plenty to mourn about. Just because everyone today is an idiot doesn't mean it's the end of the world -.-
On April 15 2011 06:10 EternaL_9 wrote: Open your mind. Is this the coming of the end for a theory that I used to think was laughable, 2012, but now seems deep to me. There always has been speculations that old civilizations were in contact with the aliens, to help them build the insane structures they built (pyramids, Stonehenge). Perhaps the 'aliens' are the ones who knew that in 2012 our world would be colonized, hence the mayans ending their calender work in 2012.
Oh great aliens, who forsaw the end of the world in 2012 but failed to forsee the Spanish. And people before now were a lot smarter than you give them credit for. I imagine in about 300 years or so people will be talking the same way about us ("How could they possibly fly a plane without alien help?")
On April 15 2011 06:10 EternaL_9 wrote: I find this really interesting. It this real? What do you think? Is the media just trying to spread fear? Or is this really the start of something.. bigger?
It's fake, as it always is. The media is perpetuating what makes it money, nothing more.
On April 15 2011 22:32 GarlicSauce wrote: Similarly, the explanation of paranormal phenomena is impossible to people who need absolute scientific proof to decide if something is real or not.
If something can't be explained doesn't mean it isn't 'real'...
"It cannot be explained" -> "Thus it is supernatural" is a flawed way of thinking. Basically you're saying that something cannot be explained, and then you explain it by saying it is supernatural, which is a contradiction. Something that cannot be explained is just that, unexplainable.
Go watch the openmindedness video posted earlier in this thread and you'll save yourself a lot of trouble with flawed reasoning in your life.
I'm not claiming anything I can't explain to be supernatural. I'm open to the fact an unexplained event may be either explained later when science is able to do so OR paranormal activity OR even alien activity. (or a combination of those) how's that for openmindedness
(by the way, paranormal isn't the same as supernatural)
Those are definitely weird sightings but it's too easy to edit videos nowadays for this to be accepted as truth. Perhaps there is an explanation to all of this...
The things about aliens though, is that there is not reason they should be remotely similar to us. They probably see a different range of the electromagnetic spectrum, they might experience another dimension...who knows. They might not breathe O2...they probably don't have DNA and ect...the biochemistry of humans is very specific to our planet and also very random, there is no reason for aliens to be REMOTELY like us.
Then, how did they get to our solar system if they do exist? Everything is so far away, and it is unlikely, mainly regarding the age of the universe, that a civilization has been so technologically advanced for billions of years that they have traveled through space for millions of year until they came on earth. Very, very unlikely that they would fall onto us at all. They could have found a way to go faster than the speed of like...but it takes a ridiculous amount of energy for tiny particles to reach *and not break* the speed of light. They become so massive, and it takes an exponential amount of energy to reach the speed of light. So far, were only infinitely closer and the speed of light seems to be that unreachable limit. Where's the energy cap? How can it be possible to harvest enough energy to make a vessel reach this speed? We haven't found anything going faster than the speed of light yet, so this is a logical problem.
Much like we cannot and will not expand our cosmic reach for quite some time (it'd be too long to go to mars when anything else is a few parsecs away), it is unlikely that anything will reach us. There is life out there, the sheer number of solar systems is the undeniable proof that we can't be the only lucky "living beings." So unless some beings live in hyperspace, I don't think it would be possible for us to ever meet any. They'd be so different, I don't think we'd ever be able to communicate with them. It's not like meeting somebody from another country. They wouldn't look like us contrary to popular belief.
Not sayin this is what's happening, but if I were mega rich I'd definatly use some of my money to produce something that could make trails of light like this and use it for some global trolling. Edit: spelling
Lol, Actually, the prophecy from the mayan calendar actually sais/theory, That 11 people born the 11/11/90 will enter the forcoming gateway which is supposed to open the 11/11/11.when the boys turn 20. and if this sacrifice isnt given the doomsday of 2012 is supposed to come! Damn.. if this is true im in deep shit! couse 11/11/11 Is my 20th birthday!
On April 15 2011 22:48 Steel wrote: Those are definitely weird sightings but it's too easy to edit videos nowadays for this to be accepted as truth. Perhaps there is an explanation to all of this...
The things about aliens though, is that there is not reason they should be remotely similar to us. They probably see a different range of the electromagnetic spectrum, they might experience another dimension...who knows. They might not breathe O2...they probably don't have DNA and ect...the biochemistry of humans is very specific to our planet and also very random, there is no reason for aliens to be REMOTELY like us.
Then, how did they get to our solar system if they do exist? Everything is so far away, and it is unlikely, mainly regarding the age of the universe, that a civilization has been so technologically advanced for billions of years that they have traveled through space for millions of year until they came on earth. Very, very unlikely that they would fall onto us at all. They could have found a way to go faster than the speed of like...but it takes a ridiculous amount of energy for tiny particles to reach *and not break* the speed of light. They become so massive, and it takes an exponential amount of energy to reach the speed of light. So far, were only infinitely closer and the speed of light seems to be that unreachable limit. Where's the energy cap? How can it be possible to harvest enough energy to make a vessel reach this speed? We haven't found anything going faster than the speed of light yet, so this is a logical problem.
Much like we cannot and will not expand our cosmic reach for quite some time (it'd be too long to go to mars when anything else is a few parsecs away), it is unlikely that anything will reach us. There is life out there, the sheer number of solar systems is the undeniable proof that we can't be the only lucky "living beings." So unless some beings live in hyperspace, I don't think it would be possible for us to ever meet any. They'd be so different, I don't think we'd ever be able to communicate with them. It's not like meeting somebody from another country. They wouldn't look like us contrary to popular belief.
We don't actually know that much about physics. Given a few thousand years we might be able to find a way around the speed of light (sci-fi esque subspace, hyperspace, or whatever). Who's to say something like that doesn't exist? I definitely agree that just flying around randomly we're almost impossible to find.
On April 15 2011 23:01 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: Lol, Actually, the prophecy from the mayan calendar actually sais/theory, That 11 people born the 11/11/90 will enter the forcoming gateway which is supposed to open the 11/11/11.when the boys turn 20. and if this sacrifice isnt given the doomsday of 2012 is supposed to come! Damn.. if this is true im in deep shit! couse 11/11/11 Is my 20th birthday!
On April 15 2011 23:01 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: Lol, Actually, the prophecy from the mayan calendar actually sais/theory, That 11 people born the 11/11/90 will enter the forcoming gateway which is supposed to open the 11/11/11.when the boys turn 20. and if this sacrifice isnt given the doomsday of 2012 is supposed to come! Damn.. if this is true im in deep shit! couse 11/11/11 Is my 20th birthday!
I would honestly hide somewhere safe on that day if I were you lol
On April 15 2011 23:01 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: Lol, Actually, the prophecy from the mayan calendar actually sais/theory, That 11 people born the 11/11/90 will enter the forcoming gateway which is supposed to open the 11/11/11.when the boys turn 20. and if this sacrifice isnt given the doomsday of 2012 is supposed to come! Damn.. if this is true im in deep shit! couse 11/11/11 Is my 20th birthday!
DONT YOU DARE LET US DOWN!
Hahahahahaha, just a theory. Wether i belive it or not is another question But kinda exiting nevertheless !
On April 15 2011 21:56 Diks wrote: Can someone find a similar large scale hoax such as the UFO one ? A hoax that is spreading for more than 60 years... Thousands of "fake" witnesses and fake pictures... If this is a hoax, why is it so large scaled ? I don't get it... I would like to konw what you think TLers !
It took me about 5 seconds to think of one.
Takes me a bit longer to think of all the surviving religions in the world, but there's the gist of it...
Alien life forms are at least a somewhat logical conclusion though, considering the vastness of this one universe we're aware of. But these UFOs on the other hand... Odds are they're forgeries.
Mixing in 2012, mayans and reptile santa clause is pretty hilarious though.
On April 15 2011 23:01 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: Lol, Actually, the prophecy from the mayan calendar actually sais/theory, That 11 people born the 11/11/90 will enter the forcoming gateway which is supposed to open the 11/11/11.when the boys turn 20. and if this sacrifice isnt given the doomsday of 2012 is supposed to come! Damn.. if this is true im in deep shit! couse 11/11/11 Is my 20th birthday!
DONT YOU DARE LET US DOWN!
Man, I've been so stressed out lately but I couldn't stop laughing when I read this I needed that.
On April 15 2011 23:01 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: Lol, Actually, the prophecy from the mayan calendar actually sais/theory, That 11 people born the 11/11/90 will enter the forcoming gateway which is supposed to open the 11/11/11.when the boys turn 20. and if this sacrifice isnt given the doomsday of 2012 is supposed to come! Damn.. if this is true im in deep shit! couse 11/11/11 Is my 20th birthday!
DONT YOU DARE LET US DOWN!
Man, I've been so stressed out lately but I couldn't stop laughing when I read this I needed that.
On April 15 2011 23:01 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: Lol, Actually, the prophecy from the mayan calendar actually sais/theory, That 11 people born the 11/11/90 will enter the forcoming gateway which is supposed to open the 11/11/11.when the boys turn 20. and if this sacrifice isnt given the doomsday of 2012 is supposed to come! Damn.. if this is true im in deep shit! couse 11/11/11 Is my 20th birthday!
Numerology wise 11/11/11 is a very special date, but that was 2 years ago (11/11/2009) 11 being a 'master' number... and 33 being the highest master number
So maybe you're safe
(and before anyone bashes on numerology: Pythagoras was a believer) ;D
Video s pretty cool, but for 2012 (the mayan one) isnt it the end of their "era" as they called it? If i recall correctly we are currently in the 3rd or 4th era, and still there. This reminds me of the middle age fear of the year 1000...
on topic: I really believe that if Aliens had the chance to find us among the numerous stars, they wouldnt just come and hover here and there before leaving. They would either destroy us or avoid us altogether (orbital observation) or broadcast on multiple frequencies (if they wanted to communicate, I mean why would they feel the need to talk to our governments, how would they even know who rules where?).
Look at human history, it usually turned out badly when a culture encountered another one for the first time (slavery, mass extermination...) or a new animal species (studies, in vivo dissection etc...)
EDIT: apologies, I actually missed your initial question: I believe medias are using this because it works, therefore they have more people watching such programs/videos, hereby making more money
its about government officials, pilots and army generals (and other high level people) giving their testimonies about their UFOs sightings and encounters.
i think its the best book on the subject which tries to bring some credibility to the UFO debate again after so much bs and hoaxes
when people like Gordon Cooper, Edgar Mitchell, lord Peter Hill Norton can talk seriously about UFOs, i think everybody should - thats for people who dismiss everything related to UFO far too early
but on the other hand the truth is there is no hard scientific evidence of aliens visiting earth etc., only these testimonies or anecdotes, and maybe some radar recordings..
its about government officials, pilots and army generals (and other high level people) giving their testimonies about their UFOs sightings and encounters.
i think its the best book on the subject which tries to bring some credibility to the UFO debate again after so much bs and hoaxes
when people like Gordon Cooper, Edgar Mitchell, lord Peter Hill Norton can talk seriously about UFOs, i think everybody should - thats for people who dismiss everything related to UFO far too early
but on the other hand the truth is there is no hard scientific evidence of aliens visiting earth etc., only these testimonies or anecdotes, and maybe some radar recordings..
Marx described science as man's perfect invention because science corrects itself when it finds itself wrong in the past. He was comparing this to religion which he said was the cause for human suffering (Man creates God and then creates rules for himself to break to justify feeling bad in this world). But really, science is the just a giant list of things we were wrong about before. Some people just "need" those facts before they can accept something (like flipping a switch in the mind from "fuck that" to "okay") but I think nowadays it's much more impressive (and difficult) to believe rather than not.
Everyone is a fucking skeptic and people like harassing others over ideological differences. But really, I pity the skeptics.
Interesting video, I hope we can discover more about what this actually is..
On April 15 2011 06:25 rel wrote: You're coming to the wrong website with this kind of stuff. Too many liberal atheist here to even consider hoping for some open-mindedness. If anything, I'll give you consolidation by saying I APPRECIATE the video, and yeah they are strange, but very awesome looking things.
Uhh... Yeah. You do realize atheism is based on open-mindedness. Skepticism doesn't equate to ignorance.
Some of the sightings in OP's video have been explained, but some remain compelling.
I'm on the fence about whether or not I believe in aliens, but I'm always interested in purported sightings/contact. The Belgian Wave is still pretty interesting to me.
On April 16 2011 00:24 WGT-Baal wrote: Video s pretty cool, but for 2012 (the mayan one) isnt it the end of their "era" as they called it? If i recall correctly we are currently in the 3rd or 4th era, and still there. This reminds me of the middle age fear of the year 1000...
on topic: I really believe that if Aliens had the chance to find us among the numerous stars, they wouldnt just come and hover here and there before leaving. They would either destroy us or avoid us altogether (orbital observation) or broadcast on multiple frequencies (if they wanted to communicate, I mean why would they feel the need to talk to our governments, how would they even know who rules where?).
Look at human history, it usually turned out badly when a culture encountered another one for the first time (slavery, mass extermination...) or a new animal species (studies, in vivo dissection etc...)
EDIT: apologies, I actually missed your initial question: I believe medias are using this because it works, therefore they have more people watching such programs/videos, hereby making more money
I agree with this post, except for the idea that they might destroy us. While i do not for certain believe that aliens have visited earth, it doesn't mean that if they did, they would just announce themselves to the world. Think about it logically, why would the aliens kill us off? For what purpose? Certainly not for resources or for real estate. Your talking about an intelligent race with the capability to even get here in the first place. We're talking thousands of years ahead of us. A race capable of traveling light years, is certainly a race capable not only of having renewable and limitless energy, but also of terraforming planets. They wouldn't need to enslave us, they wouldnt need to destroy us. IMO they MIGHT approach us the same way our biologists approach their research. ie. They go and study ants, just to learn about them, out of curiosity and to attain knowledge, to classify the ant and track its habits as a species. And biologists only make up a tiny percentage of our population. Maybe the aliens that do visit our planet, are the tiny, minuscule branch of biologists of their race. I don't see a reason for the aliens to intervene in our culture and somehow try to help us out. If anything they'd let us do that on our own, after witnessing the atrocities and greed humans are capable of, why would they give us more power when were incapable of handling the power we already have? It just doesn't make sense. However, it doesn't mean they wouldn't be interested in us at least from an educational standpoint. That might be enough reason for them to visit, its possible.
Also, for people saying that its highly unlikely that there are alot of other intelligent species, i think thats false. Take our own civilization for example. Look how little (relatively speaking of course) time its taken our civilization to achieve the technological point we're at today. And its actually speeding up. We went from black and white tv sets, to iphones and instant global communication for almost everyone in the world in the life of my...grandma. That's a blink in the greater scheme of time. Its only logical that if we don't destroy ourselves, we're very likely to reach a technological singularity in the very near future. A future where we evolve OURSELVES. We blur the line between homo sapien and machine. The capabilities of our race will eventually only be limited by the limits of physics itself. And it will only have taken us a few thousand years to achieve this. The same might and probably is true for other races in other worlds. Given even a slight chance at survival, an intelligent race spawning up at the right moment so that no natural disaster kills it (ie. asteroid), it doesn't destroy itself, it should eventually reach a very high technological level in thousands of years, and definitely not millions of years. How old is our universe? How many planets have we so far found in the goldilocks zone? And we've only been looking a year or two maybe? So how many of these blinks in time actually never went anywhere and how many actually became something. It seems very probable to me that intelligent life is not only out there, but plentiful. If ur still skeptical, get that program that lets you look at planets and such, starry night i think its called. Start on our planet and slowly zoom out, past our solar system, past our galaxy, past our galaxy CLUSTERS, past our galaxy cluster CLUSTERS, and you will slowly realize just how fucking big this place is. And how ridiculous it would be to assume there isnt intelligent life. The logical and probable line of thinking is that there IS, not that there isnt.
HeavenS I bet you have a big list of crap that you post here one by one. And then after people debunk it to death you just check it off your list and post the next one.
On April 16 2011 02:37 chonkyfire wrote: aliens piss me off, I did see a leprechaun riding a unicorn yesterday though. I didn't believe they existed... I thought it was all a myth.
On April 16 2011 02:24 VIB wrote: HeavenS I bet you have a big list of crap that you post here one by one. And then after people debunk it to death you just check it off your list and post the next one.
VIB why dont you go and fuck yourself? are u done trolling me bro?
did u fail reading comprehension? what did i ask u to debunk in my last post? just because u have no clue what i was talking about doesnt mean shit. keep ur stupid comments to urself its getting annoying and my patience just ran thin. if u dont like my post, DONT acknowledge it.
plus, technological singularity has NOTHING to do with aliens. ur an idiot.
I've always thought believe in things like 2012, ufos, ghosts, etc, because they want some kind of higher knowledge or truth that sets themselves apart from others. That or their lives are so dull that they force themselves to believe in something so fantastic that they escape the mundane.
Could somebody comment on this? It seems interesting and I havent seen much debate going on so I dont know what to think about it
After watching the beginning of his interview, i find it interesting how he always looks to his left when telling of his encounters, which is usually a sign of a liar
On April 16 2011 02:37 chonkyfire wrote: aliens piss me off, I did see a leprechaun riding a unicorn yesterday though. I didn't believe they existed... I thought it was all a myth.
one day we'll know unless the human race kills itself before that
There's 7 billion people in the world. Seems like the human race is doing a decent job of not kill themselves
Doesn't a bigger population mean less resources and more environmental issues which might ruin this planet at a faster rate than it can recover from?And that's without even mentioning the possibility of nuclear war...
On April 16 2011 02:37 chonkyfire wrote: aliens piss me off, I did see a leprechaun riding a unicorn yesterday though. I didn't believe they existed... I thought it was all a myth.
On April 15 2011 23:38 br0fivE wrote:
one day we'll know unless the human race kills itself before that
There's 7 billion people in the world. Seems like the human race is doing a decent job of not kill themselves
Doesn't a bigger population mean less resources and more environmental issues which might ruin this planet at a faster rate than it can recover from?And that's without even mentioning the possibility of nuclear war...
Exactly, did you miss all the stuff about global warming and water and food scarcities in the upcoming years (not to mention huge portions of the world already have trouble with water and food)? Aliens coming to kill us are the least of our problems...
On April 15 2011 18:43 EternaL_9 wrote: The stupid logic can go both ways. Observe it and claim there's someone/thing behind it, or observe it and say it was just a coincidence (naturalistic explanation).
Why I thought these sightings were unique / interesting.. most of them looked the exact same with multiple videos behind them. I have not heard any 'naturalistic explanations' of the specific ones I'm talking about (I realize SOME of them are fake, people). Until then, because I find it interesting, I can theory craft about what they might be and put the puzzle pieces together. How is that ANY more wrong than seeing something like this video and automatically making a post like you saying everyone else who believes this is an idiot?
I'm tired of internet assholes who think that posting in a thread saying how everyone else is dumb will SOMEHOW make them cooler. It doesn't.
If you want to contribute theorycraft, give real examples of debunking these.. etc.. Don't just come in here and say something to the extent of "Every single one of these videos are fake. You people are stupid for thinking they are real. I give no proof of anything but somehow my points hold more weight than yours. L8R". FFS.
You act as though a naturalistic explanation (weather phenomenon, clever editing, etc.) and aliens flying a ship around Earth are equally likely explanations when observing a glowing light in a youtube video. Yes, absolutely, other intelligent life in our universe is possible. But until I see even a shred of reliable evidence, I'm defaulting my belief to "bullshit." We have scientists around the world operating equipment around the clock trying to get into contact with other possible intelligent life forms. Still not a word from them yet. I'm not refusing the possibility of intelligent alien life, but I do refuse to believe something for which there is an appalling lack of reliable evidence.
I never said you were an idiot man. I'm not tryin' to be a hater here. But we're all adults, and I think we can all reasonably and sensibly question each other's beliefs without being offended or feeling as if anyone is calling each other stupid. While I think that you are probably incorrect about your beliefs regarding UFO sighting, this DOES NOT make anybody smarter or dumber than anyone else. Intelligence isn't necessarily related to holding correct beliefs. There are some damn smart people in this world that believe some damn stupid things.
I'm not theorycrafting here, or at least I don't think I am. It's just that every other "paranormal" phenomenon I have ever encountered in my life has had a sensible naturalistic explanation for it. I don't see why this "paranormal" phenomenon is different. Instead of defaulting my belief to "must be aliens", I simply think that it's more reasonable to default my belief to "probably naturalistic phenomenon." I really like for the beliefs that I hold to be true however, so if you have some piece of evidence that I'm not aware of, then let's hear it! None of my beliefs are sacred, and anyone is welcome to question every one of them; and if they turn out to be unreasonable/irrational/unsupported by evidence, then bam, I'm on your side now and I'll agree with you.
People are unbelivably arrogant, just plain arrogant, to belive there is no, NO life at ALL in universe than us???
Well lets think, 4 main elements of human body, hydrogen,oxigen..and(dont know english names, you can google it) are the 4 main elements of universe, the whole universe.
To belive that there is no life at all out there because we cant make it in a lab? We are dumb, it took nature billions of year to develop life as it is, it will take for us too.
Just my standpoint, there are aliens, (UFOs too, cus they just mark unidentified flying objects :D) we just havent found any of those races, universe is god damn biiiiggg.
On April 16 2011 04:49 inimenesc wrote: People are unbelivably arrogant, just plain arrogant, to belive there is no, NO life at ALL in universe than us???
Well lets think, 4 main elements of human body, hydrogen,oxigen..and(dont know english names, you can google it) are the 4 main elements of universe, the whole universe.
To belive that there is no life at all out there because we cant make it in a lab? We are dumb, it took nature billions of year to develop life as it is, it will take for us too.
Just my standpoint, there are aliens, (UFOs too, cus they just mark unidentified flying objects :D) we just havent found any of those races, universe is god damn biiiiggg.
Life: Carbon, Oxygen, Hydrogen, and Nitrogen
Universe: Hydrogen and Helium.
I'm pretty sure most people are not disbelieving aliens, just disbelieving aliens on/around Earth.
On April 16 2011 04:49 inimenesc wrote: People are unbelivably arrogant, just plain arrogant, to belive there is no, NO life at ALL in universe than us???
Well lets think, 4 main elements of human body, hydrogen,oxigen..and(dont know english names, you can google it) are the 4 main elements of universe, the whole universe.
To belive that there is no life at all out there because we cant make it in a lab? We are dumb, it took nature billions of year to develop life as it is, it will take for us too.
Just my standpoint, there are aliens, (UFOs too, cus they just mark unidentified flying objects :D) we just havent found any of those races, universe is god damn biiiiggg.
I don't think there are a lot of nonreligious people who believe aliens don't exist anywhere in the universe. You have to be pretty uneducated to believe that.
But to believe they are flying around in our skies is going just a tad too far, without evidence.
Anyone ever seen big rings around the moon? When I first noticed this phenomena it freaked the crap out of me. I was riding my bike (past like midnight) and I was stoned. I look up and there is no light so its easy to see the stars and moon, no clouds. I can see these giant rings around moon, gave me a really nice rush, seeing something so unexpected that seemed to irradiate physical presence. Then I looked it up online : ) sooo coool what just our world has to offer.
On April 16 2011 04:49 inimenesc wrote: People are unbelivably arrogant, just plain arrogant, to belive there is no, NO life at ALL in universe than us???
Well lets think, 4 main elements of human body, hydrogen,oxigen..and(dont know english names, you can google it) are the 4 main elements of universe, the whole universe.
To belive that there is no life at all out there because we cant make it in a lab? We are dumb, it took nature billions of year to develop life as it is, it will take for us too.
Just my standpoint, there are aliens, (UFOs too, cus they just mark unidentified flying objects :D) we just havent found any of those races, universe is god damn biiiiggg.
Life: Carbon, Oxygen, Hydrogen, and Nitrogen
Universe: Hydrogen and Helium.
I'm pretty sure most people are not disbelieving aliens, just disbelieving aliens on/around Earth.
pretty sure they just proved not all life forms are carbon based :D.
On April 15 2011 06:10 EternaL_9 wrote: There always has been speculations that old civilizations were in contact with the aliens, to help them build the insane structures they built (pyramids, Stonehenge). Perhaps the 'aliens' are the ones who knew that in 2012 our world would be colonized, hence the mayans ending their calender work in 2012.
Do you realize that this is the plot of the X-Files?
aand the plot of Fringe, wich is a realy great show if you get the actual story. Lets talk about Fringe cause its a freaking good show and the seasons finale is in the next weeks ok?!
The Fringe...the Fringe is like the X-Files made by Michael Bay.
As an astrophysics and maths major, I can say that there is NO chance of aliens visiting Earth.
There is no way for any civilisation to gather enough energy to send a spacecraft on an interstellar journey at a reasonable speed, say 5% of light speed. Even if you were to accelerate a spacecraft big enough to self-sustain a crew for hundreds of years to that speed, there are other huge problems. Your spacecraft hits something the mass of a grain of sand? It goes off with the power of a hydrogen bomb, obliterating your ship. You can determine this with very simple high school level calculations by sitting down for 5 minutes with Newton's Laws and E=mc2.
"But Rumple, what about making wormholes/teleportation/warp drive/some other ignorant sci-fi crap?" No, current accepted physics has no place for any of the nonsense suggested as a means for interstellar travel. Take, for example, a wormhole. Even if they are theoretically possible (the jury is still out on that), to create one (using the theoretical physics which postulate their existence) would require more energy than our Sun puts out in a century. And to sustain one so that you can travel through it before it collapses you would need to find something that produces NEGATIVE GRAVITY to put inside the wormhole. At some points in the wormhole, you need INFINITE NEGATIVE GRAVITY.
That said, let's assume that I'm wrong, and there is a way for interstellar travel to happen. It would still be an extremely difficult and expensive piece of engineering. And what do the aliens come to Earth to do? Why, appear outside crazy people's windows and hover in the sky of course.
Come on people, high school physics and common sense shows you that aliens cannot be visiting Earth. Just because we sometimes can't explain what is happening in these UFO videos does not mean that it's aliens. Show me an actual alien in the flesh, and I'll change my mind. I'll cover my balls in peanut butter and run naked across the country yelling "Fancy that, aliens are real'. Until then, don't continue to believe this bullshit.
If aliens had the technology to travel from one solar system to another and they reached our planet, they wouldn't be popping up as little lights in the sky. They would AT LEAST land on the ground, and probably take over the earth for its resources.
Now one thing i think is again wrong. Why aliens have to be hostile? Thats the thinking of us. Everything we dont make or know is hostile They just might be friendly too.
The amount of conditions (for this UFO scenario to occur) that would have to be met would create a probability of this happening so extremely, almost infinitely low that you may as well consider it a 0% chance of happening.
Examples of these conditions: Chance of life developing on a planet, chance of the life developing intelligence on this planet, chance of this intelligent life developing interstellar travel before destroying itself, chance of these aliens finding/deciding to travel to Earth, chance of such aliens at a such an extreme level of technology sending ships to physically hover over Earth to observe it, chance that these spacecrafts would make themselves visible, etc etc
Imagine you took a bunch of scrap metal and random things you found on the street, walked to the top of a tall building and threw them off. Imagine as it fell and hit the ground bouncing around/colliding with itself, and the random bouncing of this junk formed a car. THIS is a more realistic scenario than aliens visiting Earth in the way described by UFO enthusiasts.
I don't know if even that stresses how incredibly miniscule the probability is.
I don't know what causes some of these things, but pointing to UFO's is just ridiculous.
On April 16 2011 04:49 inimenesc wrote: People are unbelivably arrogant, just plain arrogant, to belive there is no, NO life at ALL in universe than us???
Well lets think, 4 main elements of human body, hydrogen,oxigen..and(dont know english names, you can google it) are the 4 main elements of universe, the whole universe.
To belive that there is no life at all out there because we cant make it in a lab? We are dumb, it took nature billions of year to develop life as it is, it will take for us too.
Just my standpoint, there are aliens, (UFOs too, cus they just mark unidentified flying objects :D) we just havent found any of those races, universe is god damn biiiiggg.
People don't believe there is no life at all in the universe besides us, people just dont go ZOMFG UFOS when there's some shiny lights in the skies. BIG difference.
On April 15 2011 06:31 R3m3mb3rM3 wrote: The jerusalem is proven fake the spirals are pretty crazy must admit well moskow... a cloud wow
really good video though i love ufo sightings as some of them amaze me some of them make me angry at the ppl who fake them if only that jerusalem video wasnt in there t.t its so bad faked i could do that also that phone call is proven fake too disappointing though ^^ was awsomely done
I agree that the video in the OP is pretty bs, most of those are probably fake.
However how come no one comments on this video? And the fact that you can actually find alot of those type of videos directly on nasa's website so they are definitely not altered. And how come no one gives a crap that reputable people and MULTIPLE astronauts have given their statements as to what they've seen when they went out into space. Sure some or maybe even most can be meteors but you cant explain every single one...like the ones that change direction. Its funny how the US spends a huge amount of their military budget on unknown shit yet its totally unbelievable that maybe some of that might be this type of shit. ASTRONAUTS tell you they've seen shit and been briefed on it, and some people dont even remotely accept the possibility of alien life or that maybe they do visit earth. You cant just write something off with " Oh why would an advanced cvilization care about us or why would they even bother coming over here?" how do YOU know what the motives of a civilization thousands of years more advanced than ours are? you dont.
There's thousands of people from government agencies that have testified on video and before congress as to what their experiences with this type of thing has been, what they've seen, been told, told to keep their mouths shut and so on... people usually say, well if there's some big cover up how come no one has spoken up? THEY HAVE. PEOPLE SPEAK UP ALL THE TIME but if you speak up you look like an idiot and are immediately written off. How many other scientists and "insiders" probably haven't come forward because of that, they don't want to be ridiculed and lose all of their credential. I'm sure a lot, maybe even MOST, of the accounts that people make (and im talking about reputable people with degrees in their area or jobs/careers in related fields) are fake, but there are some strong cases being made in which some people really have nothing to gain by admitting such things. I think these things need to be more closely examined. I can certainly admit the possibility that maybe all of this is bullshit and that maybe every single person to come forward (again, reputable people, not the nut jobs on channel 4) is lying, but then you have to concede that there is also a POSSIBILITY that not everyone is lying and maybe some of the official nasa footage might be real and some of the accounts of the astronauts are real and maybe the govt has been encouraging its employees to stay hush and perhaps with a good reason behind it. You have to. Period.
thats because that nasa video is also BS. hell it was on the history channel and even the history channel proved it to be bull shit. it was ice particles or something. and some were just specs of random space particles that are no bigger then a half a inch long.
On April 16 2011 15:55 Befree wrote: The amount of conditions (for this UFO scenario to occur) that would have to be met would create a probability of this happening so extremely, almost infinitely low that you may as well consider it a 0% chance of happening.
Examples of these conditions: Chance of life developing on a planet, chance of the life developing intelligence on this planet, chance of this intelligent life developing interstellar travel before destroying itself, chance of these aliens finding/deciding to travel to Earth, chance of such aliens at a such an extreme level of technology sending ships to physically hover over Earth to observe it, chance that these spacecrafts would make themselves visible, etc etc
Imagine you took a bunch of scrap metal and random things you found on the street, walked to the top of a tall building and threw them off. Imagine as it fell and hit the ground bouncing around/colliding with itself, and the random bouncing of this junk formed a car. THIS is a more realistic scenario than aliens visiting Earth in the way described by UFO enthusiasts.
I don't know if even that stresses how incredibly miniscule the probability is.
I don't know what causes some of these things, but pointing to UFO's is just ridiculous.
Earth is fairly young in terms of the WHOLE universe.
Just think if one of the FIRST planets with the core elements to create life, billions and billions of years before earth, and if that life grew to be intelligent (very probable), it would be SO far in the past their Planet's history / evolution would be in the year.. 4000.. something ridiculous in comparison to our world's history. By that time they would have unbelievable technology, spread across multiple planets.. they will have evolved perhaps using 100% of their brain's capacity.
With that much TIME, they could EASILY prevail sooo far in science and easily transverse the whole universe, and yes, discovery our planet.
I KNOW when humans (if we live that long) get the technology to do this (light speed, bending space to go across the universe), we WILL look for other life.
Just have to put yourself in their shoes, I think its TOTALLY reasonable to think that another life species knows about our human existence.
On April 16 2011 15:55 Befree wrote: The amount of conditions (for this UFO scenario to occur) that would have to be met would create a probability of this happening so extremely, almost infinitely low that you may as well consider it a 0% chance of happening.
Examples of these conditions: Chance of life developing on a planet, chance of the life developing intelligence on this planet, chance of this intelligent life developing interstellar travel before destroying itself, chance of these aliens finding/deciding to travel to Earth, chance of such aliens at a such an extreme level of technology sending ships to physically hover over Earth to observe it, chance that these spacecrafts would make themselves visible, etc etc
Imagine you took a bunch of scrap metal and random things you found on the street, walked to the top of a tall building and threw them off. Imagine as it fell and hit the ground bouncing around/colliding with itself, and the random bouncing of this junk formed a car. THIS is a more realistic scenario than aliens visiting Earth in the way described by UFO enthusiasts.
I don't know if even that stresses how incredibly miniscule the probability is.
I don't know what causes some of these things, but pointing to UFO's is just ridiculous.
Earth is fairly young in terms of the WHOLE universe.
Just think if one of the FIRST planets with the core elements to create life, billions and billions of years before earth, and if that life grew to be intelligent (very probable), it would be SO far in the past their Planet's history / evolution would be in the year.. 4000.. something ridiculous in comparison to our world's history. By that time they would have unbelievable technology, spread across multiple planets.. they will have evolved perhaps using 100% of their brain's capacity.
With that much TIME, they could EASILY prevail sooo far in science and easily transverse the whole universe, and yes, discovery our planet.
I KNOW when humans (if we live that long) get the technology to do this (light speed, bending space to go across the universe), we WILL look for other life.
Just have to put yourself in their shoes, I think its TOTALLY reasonable to think that another life species knows about our human existence.
Dude, we, nor any other civilsation will ever travel across the galaxy. Look at my previous post, interstellar travel is simply never going to happen. Please learn some basic physics.
On April 16 2011 15:55 Befree wrote: The amount of conditions (for this UFO scenario to occur) that would have to be met would create a probability of this happening so extremely, almost infinitely low that you may as well consider it a 0% chance of happening.
Examples of these conditions: Chance of life developing on a planet, chance of the life developing intelligence on this planet, chance of this intelligent life developing interstellar travel before destroying itself, chance of these aliens finding/deciding to travel to Earth, chance of such aliens at a such an extreme level of technology sending ships to physically hover over Earth to observe it, chance that these spacecrafts would make themselves visible, etc etc
Imagine you took a bunch of scrap metal and random things you found on the street, walked to the top of a tall building and threw them off. Imagine as it fell and hit the ground bouncing around/colliding with itself, and the random bouncing of this junk formed a car. THIS is a more realistic scenario than aliens visiting Earth in the way described by UFO enthusiasts.
I don't know if even that stresses how incredibly miniscule the probability is.
I don't know what causes some of these things, but pointing to UFO's is just ridiculous.
dont forgot how we are a molecule in a stadium compared to the known universe. Our time span has also been a microsecond of a lifetime. There are trillions apon trillions of EXISTING plants, let alone the ones before our time. I think the chances are pretty good.
On April 16 2011 15:55 Befree wrote: The amount of conditions (for this UFO scenario to occur) that would have to be met would create a probability of this happening so extremely, almost infinitely low that you may as well consider it a 0% chance of happening.
Examples of these conditions: Chance of life developing on a planet, chance of the life developing intelligence on this planet, chance of this intelligent life developing interstellar travel before destroying itself, chance of these aliens finding/deciding to travel to Earth, chance of such aliens at a such an extreme level of technology sending ships to physically hover over Earth to observe it, chance that these spacecrafts would make themselves visible, etc etc
Imagine you took a bunch of scrap metal and random things you found on the street, walked to the top of a tall building and threw them off. Imagine as it fell and hit the ground bouncing around/colliding with itself, and the random bouncing of this junk formed a car. THIS is a more realistic scenario than aliens visiting Earth in the way described by UFO enthusiasts.
I don't know if even that stresses how incredibly miniscule the probability is.
I don't know what causes some of these things, but pointing to UFO's is just ridiculous.
Earth is fairly young in terms of the WHOLE universe.
Just think if one of the FIRST planets with the core elements to create life, billions and billions of years before earth, and if that life grew to be intelligent (very probable), it would be SO far in the past their Planet's history / evolution would be in the year.. 4000.. something ridiculous in comparison to our world's history. By that time they would have unbelievable technology, spread across multiple planets.. they will have evolved perhaps using 100% of their brain's capacity.
With that much TIME, they could EASILY prevail sooo far in science and easily transverse the whole universe, and yes, discovery our planet.
I KNOW when humans (if we live that long) get the technology to do this (light speed, bending space to go across the universe), we WILL look for other life.
Just have to put yourself in their shoes, I think its TOTALLY reasonable to think that another life species knows about our human existence.
Dude, we, nor any other civilsation will ever travel across the galaxy. Look at my previous post, interstellar travel is simply never going to happen. Please learn some basic physics.
Lol at your fail post. Just because mankind havent made it(or can imagine it) doesnt mean any other species could'nt. Really ignorant post on your part.
And yeah. I think basicly any above 15 years old knows the basic's of physics as well as einsteins cant move faster then light THEORY. But i mean in 1 million years, where would humanity be? if there are aliens out (around us) im guessing their a million years ahead in technology. Or better yet. They dont need technology because of their evolution. Stop beeing so blind and open your mind 1% more and you are going to realize that you should delete the post i quoted or atleast edit it. and stop beeing ignorant. If you dont belive it(or have the capacity to,) dont post ignorant posts in threads you dont belong. And btw interstellar travel is already possible if we pass through black holes. Maybe the aliens have allready mapped out the holes? ^^, EDIT: forgot. As a math major. You do realise that its 100% 1000's of other alien races out there. And btw Physics Master degree here.
On April 16 2011 15:55 Befree wrote: The amount of conditions (for this UFO scenario to occur) that would have to be met would create a probability of this happening so extremely, almost infinitely low that you may as well consider it a 0% chance of happening.
Examples of these conditions: Chance of life developing on a planet, chance of the life developing intelligence on this planet, chance of this intelligent life developing interstellar travel before destroying itself, chance of these aliens finding/deciding to travel to Earth, chance of such aliens at a such an extreme level of technology sending ships to physically hover over Earth to observe it, chance that these spacecrafts would make themselves visible, etc etc
Imagine you took a bunch of scrap metal and random things you found on the street, walked to the top of a tall building and threw them off. Imagine as it fell and hit the ground bouncing around/colliding with itself, and the random bouncing of this junk formed a car. THIS is a more realistic scenario than aliens visiting Earth in the way described by UFO enthusiasts.
I don't know if even that stresses how incredibly miniscule the probability is.
I don't know what causes some of these things, but pointing to UFO's is just ridiculous.
Earth is fairly young in terms of the WHOLE universe.
Just think if one of the FIRST planets with the core elements to create life, billions and billions of years before earth, and if that life grew to be intelligent (very probable), it would be SO far in the past their Planet's history / evolution would be in the year.. 4000.. something ridiculous in comparison to our world's history. By that time they would have unbelievable technology, spread across multiple planets.. they will have evolved perhaps using 100% of their brain's capacity.
With that much TIME, they could EASILY prevail sooo far in science and easily transverse the whole universe, and yes, discovery our planet.
I KNOW when humans (if we live that long) get the technology to do this (light speed, bending space to go across the universe), we WILL look for other life.
Just have to put yourself in their shoes, I think its TOTALLY reasonable to think that another life species knows about our human existence.
Dude, we, nor any other civilsation will ever travel across the galaxy. Look at my previous post, interstellar travel is simply never going to happen. Please learn some basic physics.
Lol at your fail post. Just because mankind havent made it(or can imagine it) doesnt mean any other species could'nt. Really ignorant post on your part.
And yeah. I think basicly any above 15 years old knows the basic's of physics as well as einsteins cant move faster then light THEORY. But i mean in 1 million years, where would humanity be? if there are aliens out (around us) im guessing their a million years ahead in technology. Or better yet. They dont need technology because of their evolution. Stop beeing so blind and open your mind 1% more and you are going to realize that you should delete the post i quoted or atleast edit it. and stop beeing ignorant. If you dont belive it(or have the capacity to,) dont post ignorant posts in threads you dont belong. And btw interstellar travel is already possible if we pass through black holes. Maybe the aliens have allready mapped out the holes? ^^, EDIT: forgot. As a math major. You do realise that its 100% 1000's of other alien races out there. And btw Physics Master degree here.
I realise that there are (almost certainly) plenty of aliens out there, I'm not denying that. However you are either a liar or a fool when you say you have a physics master degree. You emphasise the word 'theory' showing that you don't understand what the word means in science. A theory isn't a 'best guess' about what we think is going on, it's a comprehensive explanation which may or may not be correct. Gravity is a THEORY, so are atoms, the microbe theory of disease, and electricity. The word theory has no bearing on how accepted the idea is.
Also, "Pass through black holes"? You clearly have no clue what black holes are. They aren't special gateways to other dimensions, they aren't portals and you sure as hell can't go into one without dying when (or rather, before) you hit the singularity. They're simply areas which light can't escape if it enters. Go look up black holes on wikipedia before you post. As I said in my first post (not quoted here, look back one page), simple physics shows that interstellar travel is difficult to the point of impossibility.
Simply saying "Just because we can't imagine it doesn't mean that it can't happen" is a cop out. We may not understand alot about our universe, but this doesn't mean we're ignorant. All our physics, from Newton's gravity to General Relativity to Quantum Mechanics, has no place for interstellar travel.
Your post also said that perhaps their evolution helped them travel between stars. Unless you're suggesting that they are telepathic (in which case I suggest you send yourself to the loony bin Mr Physics Masters) I fail to see how any evolutionary process can prepare them for interstellar travel.
TL;DR, You're a liar when you say you have a Physics Masters, and you don't understand the relevant science.
aliens: coming from beyond the stars to our planet just to act mysterious and putt probes in our asses. that so doesnt seem to make sense. but then again maybe the aliens are really shy and fly away giggling when humans get close.
On April 16 2011 13:59 Rumpleforeskin wrote: As an astrophysics and maths major, I can say that there is NO chance of aliens visiting Earth.
There is no way for any civilisation to gather enough energy to send a spacecraft on an interstellar journey at a reasonable speed, say 5% of light speed. Even if you were to accelerate a spacecraft big enough to self-sustain a crew for hundreds of years to that speed, there are other huge problems. Your spacecraft hits something the mass of a grain of sand? It goes off with the power of a hydrogen bomb, obliterating your ship. You can determine this with very simple high school level calculations by sitting down for 5 minutes with Newton's Laws and E=mc2.
"But Rumple, what about making wormholes/teleportation/warp drive/some other ignorant sci-fi crap?" No, current accepted physics has no place for any of the nonsense suggested as a means for interstellar travel. Take, for example, a wormhole. Even if they are theoretically possible (the jury is still out on that), to create one (using the theoretical physics which postulate their existence) would require more energy than our Sun puts out in a century. And to sustain one so that you can travel through it before it collapses you would need to find something that produces NEGATIVE GRAVITY to put inside the wormhole. At some points in the wormhole, you need INFINITE NEGATIVE GRAVITY.
That said, let's assume that I'm wrong, and there is a way for interstellar travel to happen. It would still be an extremely difficult and expensive piece of engineering. And what do the aliens come to Earth to do? Why, appear outside crazy people's windows and hover in the sky of course.
Come on people, high school physics and common sense shows you that aliens cannot be visiting Earth. Just because we sometimes can't explain what is happening in these UFO videos does not mean that it's aliens. Show me an actual alien in the flesh, and I'll change my mind. I'll cover my balls in peanut butter and run naked across the country yelling "Fancy that, aliens are real'. Until then, don't continue to believe this bullshit.
"Current accepted physics" and all the greatest minds in the world have also, at different times in history, said that the sun, moon and stars were contained within giant crystal spheres, all celestial bodies moved in perfect circles, the atom was the smallest particle of matter and a ton of other stuff that we all know is nonsense.
Oh, but now we've got everything figured out. Now we can't possibly be wrong and you, as an astrophysics and math major, couldn't possibly be making the same type of mistakes that a fool like Aristotle made and you, an astrophysics and math major, certainly know enough to proclaim interstellar travel as an impossibility, over the ridiculous assertions of hacks like Stephen Hawking or Carl Sagan because you? You're an astrophysics and math major. Frankly, the rest of us are all so glad that we have someone as learned and prestigious as an astrophysics and math major here to explain it all to us. Shoot, might as well just shut down this whole "science" thing - we've already got it all figured out, thanks to Rumpleforeskin, the astrophysics and math major
I really think that theres way for any living organism to travel near the speed of light. This is because of the amount of energy needed to do so. When you should manage to go faster then the speed of light , youd go back in time and thats also not something you want to . If you then look at the closest planets that might have a suitable environment and see that its a lot of lightyears away, youll see that it wouldnt make sense for a species to come here and not make themselves known or randomly destroy shit. I think that some of you should put some thought in how big the universe actually is .
Bahl sofs tiil. As I said before, we may not understand alot, but we understand a bunch. My conclusions were based on physics that have taken us to the moon, which determine how you computer operates, which are responsible for how satellite telephones work. That physics cannot be wrong, because if it was then all those things wouldn't work. But they do work. Applicability is the best reason for believing in what physics has to say.
Whenever people tell me about these things i just can't believe them. If things like aliens and ghosts were real then people would know more about it. If this was legit it wouldnt be your 2nd great uncle telling you a story one night, it would be on the news.
On April 16 2011 20:40 Rumpleforeskin wrote: Bahl sofs tiil. As I said before, we may not understand alot, but we understand a bunch. My conclusions were based on physics that have taken us to the moon, which determine how you computer operates, which are responsible for how satellite telephones work. That physics cannot be wrong, because if it was then all those things wouldn't work. But they do work. Applicability is the best reason for believing in what physics has to say.
How many times in the past do you think some high minded scientist has made the same argument?
Come on, man, you don't think you're being arrogant to dismiss something as impossible that Stephen Hawking and Carl Sagan both considered plausible? Because you went to college? Really?
For example, some dude back in the Middle-Ages probably left some meat out and when flies appeared, he said, "forsooth, spontaneous generation cannot be wrong, for were it so, this thing would not work". No, he just didn't understand how it worked and I seriously doubt that the principle that allows for faster-than-light travel or cryosleep or any other intergalactic colonization method is going to be even remotely related to rocket boosters or telephone lines. Come on, man, that is a ridiculous assertion.
I mean, come on, real, actual scientists performing real, actual experiments think they've already found faster-than-light communication. Now, some other guys disagree and if you even say the word "quantum" to me, I hear every subsequent word as circus music, but you are just some yahoo on the internet and your credentials for debunking these guys is going to be "high school science" and that you are a "astrophysics and mathematics major"? That is what you are going to go with, here?
"An atheist has to know a lot more than I know. An atheist is someone who knows there is no god. By some definitions atheism is very stupid." - Carl Sagan
You are an intergalactic travel atheist and Carl Sagan thinks you are stupid, though he'd ever say so because he was just too nice.
Interesting video, too bad that these abnormalities can be anything. Saying its aliens is quite a shot. Even though science has come far, we still don't understand how anything in the universe works. So until we start understanding more about how the universe works, there is no point in saying everything we don't understand are the doings of aliens.
Saying that the spiral thing over Norway was an alien is just like saying god created the universe. There is just as much basic proof for both theories.
I love seeing all the realists in here who got it all figured out already. Its funny how narrowsighted and stubborn humans can be, at the same time, do you think it was the realistic narrowsighted people that got the world to where it is today? No, it was the creative mind of individuals who dreamed about "impossible and stupid" things, labeled crazy and frowned upon by the norms of society.
Don't let your mind limit itself, be open for possibilities even tho their minuscule on our very human level. Because there just might be something we, outstanding and superior, simply can't figure out yet.
I might just be one of those individuals who thinks the world and our we-know-it-all mentality is just a little too shallow and boring.
On April 16 2011 15:55 Befree wrote: The amount of conditions (for this UFO scenario to occur) that would have to be met would create a probability of this happening so extremely, almost infinitely low that you may as well consider it a 0% chance of happening.
Examples of these conditions: Chance of life developing on a planet, chance of the life developing intelligence on this planet, chance of this intelligent life developing interstellar travel before destroying itself, chance of these aliens finding/deciding to travel to Earth, chance of such aliens at a such an extreme level of technology sending ships to physically hover over Earth to observe it, chance that these spacecrafts would make themselves visible, etc etc
Imagine you took a bunch of scrap metal and random things you found on the street, walked to the top of a tall building and threw them off. Imagine as it fell and hit the ground bouncing around/colliding with itself, and the random bouncing of this junk formed a car. THIS is a more realistic scenario than aliens visiting Earth in the way described by UFO enthusiasts.
I don't know if even that stresses how incredibly miniscule the probability is.
I don't know what causes some of these things, but pointing to UFO's is just ridiculous.
Earth is fairly young in terms of the WHOLE universe.
Just think if one of the FIRST planets with the core elements to create life, billions and billions of years before earth, and if that life grew to be intelligent (very probable), it would be SO far in the past their Planet's history / evolution would be in the year.. 4000.. something ridiculous in comparison to our world's history. By that time they would have unbelievable technology, spread across multiple planets.. they will have evolved perhaps using 100% of their brain's capacity.
With that much TIME, they could EASILY prevail sooo far in science and easily transverse the whole universe, and yes, discovery our planet.
I KNOW when humans (if we live that long) get the technology to do this (light speed, bending space to go across the universe), we WILL look for other life.
Just have to put yourself in their shoes, I think its TOTALLY reasonable to think that another life species knows about our human existence.
Dude, we, nor any other civilsation will ever travel across the galaxy. Look at my previous post, interstellar travel is simply never going to happen. Please learn some basic physics.
Lol at your fail post. Just because mankind havent made it(or can imagine it) doesnt mean any other species could'nt. Really ignorant post on your part.
And yeah. I think basicly any above 15 years old knows the basic's of physics as well as einsteins cant move faster then light THEORY. But i mean in 1 million years, where would humanity be? if there are aliens out (around us) im guessing their a million years ahead in technology. Or better yet. They dont need technology because of their evolution. Stop beeing so blind and open your mind 1% more and you are going to realize that you should delete the post i quoted or atleast edit it. and stop beeing ignorant. If you dont belive it(or have the capacity to,) dont post ignorant posts in threads you dont belong. And btw interstellar travel is already possible if we pass through black holes. Maybe the aliens have allready mapped out the holes? ^^, EDIT: forgot. As a math major. You do realise that its 100% 1000's of other alien races out there. And btw Physics Master degree here.
I realise that there are (almost certainly) plenty of aliens out there, I'm not denying that. However you are either a liar or a fool when you say you have a physics master degree. You emphasise the word 'theory' showing that you don't understand what the word means in science. A theory isn't a 'best guess' about what we think is going on, it's a comprehensive explanation which may or may not be correct. Gravity is a THEORY, so are atoms, the microbe theory of disease, and electricity. The word theory has no bearing on how accepted the idea is.
Also, "Pass through black holes"? You clearly have no clue what black holes are. They aren't special gateways to other dimensions, they aren't portals and you sure as hell can't go into one without dying when (or rather, before) you hit the singularity. They're simply areas which light can't escape if it enters. Go look up black holes on wikipedia before you post. As I said in my first post (not quoted here, look back one page), simple physics shows that interstellar travel is difficult to the point of impossibility.
Simply saying "Just because we can't imagine it doesn't mean that it can't happen" is a cop out. We may not understand alot about our universe, but this doesn't mean we're ignorant. All our physics, from Newton's gravity to General Relativity to Quantum Mechanics, has no place for interstellar travel.
Your post also said that perhaps their evolution helped them travel between stars. Unless you're suggesting that they are telepathic (in which case I suggest you send yourself to the loony bin Mr Physics Masters) I fail to see how any evolutionary process can prepare them for interstellar travel.
TL;DR, You're a liar when you say you have a Physics Masters, and you don't understand the relevant science.
Damn. Had to rewrite my total post because i got unlogged.
First: Planets, light, and other matter must pass close to a black hole in order to be pulled into its grasp. When they reach a point of no return they are said to have entered the event horizon—the point from which any escape is impossible because it requires moving faster than the speed of light. That was the total point of my post. I might have been abit wage when saying they teleported through black holes. But that pretty much what they would have to do. If there was aliens around us they must already have grasped the "power" of traveling at the speed of light. Where did you take your major? i need to know the school and teacher you had there because you obviously haven't been teached a thing, or your lying. Because from my point of perspective, it sound like you have copy pasted from Wikipedia. (and you need to know that 50% on that site is based on theories. And wtf? you really implying that i dont know what a theory is? you must really reconsider going to school twice.
""Black holes capture the public's imagination and feature prominently in extremely theoretical concepts like wormholes. These "tunnels" could allow rapid travel through space and time—but there is no evidence that they exist."" From my exam" I never said the black holes were wormholes. i nearly emplied that it could be. But getting tired trying to prove to some kid that it IS possible for aliens to reach us. Please post your university as I would really like to know who teaches the youth that they should be this critical and stubborn about something like this.
Where I took my masters:http://www.uio.no/studier/program/fys-master/ i'll also post my final exam when I get home from work. Now its your turn. post both. As im sure you still have your exam/final test or whatever its called in your country.
Norway? Come on, who was your department head, Hagar the Horrible? You are talking to Rumpleforeskin, here. Rumpleforeskin! His telephone and his computer both work, that means intergalactic travel is impossible and current, accepted physics is infallible.
On April 16 2011 21:29 bahl sofs tiil wrote: Norway? Come on, who was your department head, Hagar the Horrible? You are talking to Rumpleforeskin, here. Rumpleforeskin! His telephone and his computer both work, that means intergalactic travel is impossible and current, accepted physics is infallible.
Just because i'm from norway (which is supposed to have one of the best schools in the world.) doesnt mean that rumpleforeskin are right. Which he isnt. He's just critical to everything because he have learned everything from wikipedia. which is written by people like him. Yes you might have read illustrated science. Which is still just theory in its starting ages. btw watch this for a blown mind:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U The speaker here seems so intelligent until the end
I think people are stupid not to believe in aliens. However they are not among us or visited Earth. Looking how big the universe is there is bound to be other living animals on other distant planets.
If we one day would see these other animals whether they be intelligent or not I would die a happy man. How interesting would it be to come in contact with aliens.
Lets just hope they are like the protoss and not the zerg
On April 16 2011 21:29 bahl sofs tiil wrote: Norway? Come on, who was your department head, Hagar the Horrible? You are talking to Rumpleforeskin, here. Rumpleforeskin! His telephone and his computer both work, that means intergalactic travel is impossible and current, accepted physics is infallible.
Just because i'm from norway (which is supposed to have one of the best schools in the world.) doesnt mean that rumpleforeskin are right. Which he isnt. He's just critical to everything because he have learned everything from wikipedia. which is written by people like him. Yes you might have read illustrated science. Which is still just theory in its starting ages. btw watch this for a blown mind:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U The speaker here seems so intelligent until the end
Uh, sarcasm, man. Let's just chalk this up to some kind of language barrier...or cultural difference...or something.
Alot of the video was cool, I'm very curious and open about alot of the footage. As for the call however, that was the least beliveable in the entire video. Frankly my thoughts when I heard it was and still is "bullshit".
Assuming a former area 51 worker was calling because he wanted to reveal something, I can promise you he wouldn't say "I don't have much time", and then use 90% of the time to say absolutely nothing but keywords... government.... sniff sniff... aliens... space program... danger... ksshhh... -.-' really? It's not that hard to sound alarmed and paranoid and fake alittle crying.
I did my degree at The University of Sydney. I took Science (Adv) and majored in Astrophysics and Mathematics. http://www.physics.usyd.edu.au/
Unfortunately I don't have my final exam because we don't get to take a copy of them home, probably because they want to resuse questions from year to year and don't want the exams given to current students.
To all those who have said that we cannot know ways of interstellar travel beyond our current physics, let me just say this. Our current physics WORKS for the vast majority of cases. At the very least it is mostly right, and any new theories which supersede it must explain what it already explains. To do this, it must have mostly the same explanations for those phenomena, merely diverging in extreme cases. A good example of this is General Relativity superseding Newtonian Gravity. This was a revolution in science, and one of the most drastic changes in the history of science. And what exactly changed in day to day calculations? Well not much. For example, NASA's calculations for the Apollo program were exclusively Newtonian. Why? Because it worked (also Einstein's equations are kinda a bitch to solve). Aristotle's works imply that alchemy worked. It didn't. This is the difference between Einstein and Aristotle, Einstein was vindicated by empirical data.
It is the same for physics today. Most scientists expect there to be a major reshaping of physics, we know that General Relativity breaks down at the subatomic level and Quantum Mechanics says that stars shouldn't exist. Clearly they are both wrong. But they WORK. Lasers work (which they wouldn't if quantum mechanics was wrong), and satellites have to correct for the fact that time runs slightly slower where they are, which is a prediction of general relativity. Any theory which supersedes them must explain these things.
So that is why wormholes and faster-than-light travel and other things are highly unlikely to ever be a prediction of theories of physics (if we're being truly honest, we have to say highly unlikely rather than never, because you can never say never in science). Current theories not only don't have a place for them, they rule many of them out (as General Relativity does for faster-than-light travel). It would require more than a radical rethink of physics, it would require a total overhaul for this to occur.
Technology will progress to an extraordinary degree in the future, but it has physical limits. Even now, for example, we are reaching the limits of what Silicon can do in making faster computers, microchips are build on the scale of hundreds of atoms at a time. While we're almost certainly going to find a better way of making computers to get around this, but my point is that technology has physical limits. When we reach a physical limit, as we almost have with Silicon, it is impossible to surmount it. The only alternative is to find another material. But there are a finite amount of materials in the world, we can't keep finding better ones forever. This applies to aliens too, and so the idea that they have super-advanced technology that lets them do things like travel faster than the speed of light is questionable. Technological advance has it's ceiling, and one day, perhaps thousands of years from now, we will hit it, as have every civilisation in the Galaxy (assuming they exist and have survived long enough to do so.
Finally, NeWeNiyaLord, what do you mean when you say "But that pretty much what they would have to do" when you're referring to transportation through black holes? I can tell you what happens when something falls into a black hole, it hits the singularity and stays there! (unless Hawking radiation is correct) It doesn't need to transport anywhere, it has a nice cosy home in the black hole for the rest of eternity. Or am I misunderstanding you completely?
Again, the spontaneous generation guys were vindicated by empirical data, too, That is, until they discovered their fundamental misunderstanding of the world that rendered all their past experiments void. Then Newton's theories went through the same thing: they were wrong but he managed to find some equations that worked anyway. Now, you're saying that Einstein's theories are facing a similar wall with subatomic particles, but you still insist their limitations are rigidly correct?
Compared to the universe, we are so young and the amount of space we've experienced is so tiny that we are really no different than Aristotle or Newton or anyone else from the past, in that we are just throwing crap a tiny, tiny, microscopic portion of the wall and seeing if it sticks.
If general relativity can't explain the most basic building blocks of the universe (or what we perceive to be the most basic building blocks with our current technology) and quantum mechanics can't explain stars, of which there are an innumerable number, how can you then say, with such certainty, that these things preclude faster-than-light travel in a way that makes it ludicrous to consider otherwise? We don't even have the technology to test a lot of this! Don't you think the fact that many of the foremost experts in the field are considering these possibilities should tell you something about the assumptions you've made? You've got more faith in these ideas than the men who thought them up.
Aristotle, Newton, Einstein, Hawking, and add the next hundred guys who come along - in the future, they will all be regarded the same way: brilliant for their time but ultimately having a very limited understanding how things actually function.
Millions of people before you - many an order of magnitude smarter than you or I - have had the "physical limits of technology" that they learned absolutely obliterated. What makes you so arrogant as to think you will be any different? That you are the one who finally has the limitations of the universe figured out?
I think you are not getting the point. Let's admit that some form of interstellar space travel is possible (however it is likely NOT possible, as stated by Rumpleforeskin and other people, for very clear scientific reasons), why a very advanced technologically civilization should travel to our miserable planet, and fly on our cities, maintaining distances without making any form of direct contact? Why there is not any decent sighting of an alien, or an alien spaceship, which CANNOT be explained by other, more "regular" phenomena? Are They kidding with us? They travel for hundred of light years, just to float in our atmosphere? I don't believe so. P.S. why quantum mechanics can't explain stars? Pauli exclusion principle is required for a star to exist, and it is a major statement of QM. PPS sorry for any language mistake, that's not my main language
I am open-minded to the possibility of these events being aliens or religious phenomena; however I think it's far more likely that they are some sort of government testing. I think 'government testing' is a highly unlikely scenario as well, if we want to successfully explain what's going on here. Perhaps some of it is just weather phenomena. Weather can be pretty weird, ie. sprites etc. The Jerusalem one kind of creeped me out though.
I don't know, I think it's very interesting but I think 95% of the people that believe in this stuff are conditioned to believe it due to the scary music, and pop culture telling us it's cool to believe in aliens and the exorcist and stuff. I don't think the majority of people approach it in an objective way.
On April 17 2011 00:44 rubio91 wrote: I think you are not getting the point. Let's admit that some form of interstellar space travel is possible (however it is likely NOT possible, as stated by Rumpleforeskin and other people, for very clear scientific reasons), why a very advanced technologically civilization should travel to our miserable planet, and fly on our cities, maintaining distances without making any form of direct contact? Why there is not any decent sighting of an alien, or an alien spaceship, which CANNOT be explained by other, more "regular" phenomena? Are They kidding with us? They travel for hundred of light years, just to float in our atmosphere? I don't believe so. P.S. why quantum mechanics can't explain stars? Pauli exclusion principle is required for a star to exist, and it is a major statement of QM. PPS sorry for any language mistake, that's not my main language
Oh, I don't believe any of this crap is aliens. The only thing I find less plausible is that our current understanding of the universe is advanced enough to make a statement like "interstellar travel is simply never going to happen".
However, our actual scientific knowledge (especially on physics) cover almost the whole observed phenomena. And, according to those physics, any interstellar travel requires huge amounts of energy and time to happen. The only possibility is that there is something beyond our actual "physics coverage" that allow it. But, since the only physical phenomena that are yet to be explained are the one related to the quantum gravity theories, space travel should be related with quantum gravity. Now, quantum gravity is essentially the connection between quantum mechanics and general relativity and it is a theory that makes sense only with HUGE amounts of energy involved, (as relativity overcomes Newtonian physics at relativistic speeds, quantum gravity overcomes relativity at those energies) it is estimated that to make the effect of quantum gravity "visible" we would need a particle accelerator with the size of our solar system (or even our galaxy!). So, in order to use this (hypothetical) new physics, there would still be the need of some technology far beyond the reach of a very advanced civilization.
Energy doesn't need to be produced, it needs to be harnessed, there may be the slightlest little engineering trick that can tap in to whoever knows what vast energy the unvierse provides without us even knowing about it atm.
Imagining it's imposible to reach something significantly more amazing then what we see atm is just silly. Also you keep talking about general relativity and other antiquiated stuff like that, when M Theory is the true spearhead of modern day science. Considering it prooves that there are multiple universes and there's a high chance gravity itself is a force leaking into our universe from elsewhere, who knows what else we'll find out in the next century.
It surprises me to see somebody with an actual decent education throwing his title around and claiming something so narrow minded, back in my uni days every1 used to make fun of that certain part of physics for beeing the least imaginative, now i see why. It's true that in day to day life a little discovery like that won't make much of a difference, however you have to realize something as little as a guy trying to find out what ball lightning is in his bathroom that brought the uses of plasma to reality. Engineering is born from the usefull details of the world, and that's what brings forth true technology, even the slightlest bend of a law of physics can be exploited to huge benefits.
M theory is just a theory. Even better, it isn't even that, since it is so much complicated that the physicians can't even find its equations. (btw i was referring to that when i spoke about quantum gravity, they are the same thing) Nobody know if it will ever be proofed, and at the moment is just a philosophical speculation, no more. And even if we will ever have a completely working quantum gravity theory (a thing that i think will happen, but not so soon), the chances that it will lead us to overcome so easily the limitations of the general relativity are weak. Very weak.
On April 17 2011 04:43 rubio91 wrote: M theory is just a theory. Even better, it isn't even that, since it is so much complicated that the physicians can't even find its equations. (btw i was referring to that when i spoke about quantum gravity, they are the same thing) Nobody know if it will ever be proofed, and at the moment is just a philosophical speculation, no more. And even if we will ever have a completely working quantum gravity theory (a thing that i think will happen, but not so soon), the chances that it will lead us to overcome so easily the limitations of the general relativity are weak. Very weak.
[ i need to know the school and teacher you had there because you obviously haven't been teached a thing, or your lying.
"" as I would really like to know who teaches the youth that they should be this critical and stubborn about something like this.
Where I took my masters:http://www.uio.no/studier/program/fys-master/ i'll also post my final exam when I get home from work. Now its your turn. post both. As im sure you still have your exam/final test or whatever its called in your country.
i really dislike douchbags like you. who the hell are you to say someones institution and professor is teaching there students the WRONG things? how do you not know that it is infact YOUR institution that isnt teaching the right things?
such BS comments. i seriously hate ppl that go "i must know what your institution and teacher is that taught you that crap because they taught you the wrong things!!!" just because you dont agree with someone of similar education level.
do not disprove someones education simply because you think they are wrong or you dont agree with them....
2012 is not legit ofc, not saying the world can't end in 2012 but the 2012 most people talk about by the Mayan calendar is obviously not real, because the "prophecy" or whatnot doesn't say that the world will end in 2012, but rather that a new cycle will begin. Basically, while we have days, months, and years on our calendar, they have another one every few thousand years. Except of course, media/people like to twist it to scare people and get money, although it does make life a little more exciting I guess.
Anyways, I do believe in aliens. There is a lot of really legit documents/evidence/proof out there. I recommend you guys check it out. For example, there are alien structures on the moon, and even Neil Armstrong admitted there were aliens on the moon. During their Apollo missions, if you hear their recordings, he is surprised and says that he sees lights and structures, etc. Unfortunately, they always switch to code immediately after... now, why would they do that? Obviously those lights and structures aren't from other humans.
There's a lot of shit about the dark side of the moon; one time a Japanese probe thing was going to film the entire moon, trying to reveal the dark side too, but then suddenly the missions' website's message changed from something like "we will share everything we get from this" to "we have found what we wanted and will be crashing our probe to end the mission". Hmm, it should be quite obvious something stopped them from doing what they wanted. I believe (with more reasons I will not share here) the USA told Japan not to release them because they didn't want the world to know there is intelligent alien life somewhere (past, or present).
A lof of old people working for NASA etc have been giving testimony, some to Congress, that there are aliens out there. Reason why they waited til their old is because when they were younger, they had to accept that they would not leak the information about the aliens; however, because they're old now, even if they are punished/jailed, apparently they are happy enough to reveal the truth to the world to sacrifice what remaining days they have left.
Real UFO's wouldn't be the slightest bit interested in our primitive race. Any "UFO" sightings or landings in the future are completely fake. Government has the technology, its just not public information.
Yes. An alien race, after discovering hyperspace travel, explored the whole universe, till coming to a totally meaningless planet with a somewhat intelligent (but still not enough technically advanced race) race living on it and they decided that the best way to initiate an interspecies communication was to kill some indigenous wildlife without any apparent reason. Or a virus. @~ava obviously i meant physicists
It is extremely dubious to try and understand alien motivations, and therefore any actions they may take. It may be like a kid trying to understand the motivations of an adult - not really possible.
For example, odds are if they are here, they've always been here. A millennium or two isn't very long on a galactic time scale.
Reading these kinds of threads is always pretty funny.
In German there is a nice little phrase concerning "open-mindedness" that not many people know - "Absolut offen oder eher nicht ganz dicht?". There's no way to translate that literally, but I can try to explain it: The phrase uses the property of the attributes in that sentence to make a nice word play on people with supposed "absolutely open minds" by implying that they are in fact just idiots.
On April 17 2011 00:44 rubio91 wrote: I think you are not getting the point. Let's admit that some form of interstellar space travel is possible (however it is likely NOT possible, as stated by Rumpleforeskin and other people, for very clear scientific reasons), why a very advanced technologically civilization should travel to our miserable planet, and fly on our cities, maintaining distances without making any form of direct contact? Why there is not any decent sighting of an alien, or an alien spaceship, which CANNOT be explained by other, more "regular" phenomena? Are They kidding with us? They travel for hundred of light years, just to float in our atmosphere? I don't believe so. P.S. why quantum mechanics can't explain stars? Pauli exclusion principle is required for a star to exist, and it is a major statement of QM. PPS sorry for any language mistake, that's not my main language
Oh, I don't believe any of this crap is aliens. The only thing I find less plausible is that our current understanding of the universe is advanced enough to make a statement like "interstellar travel is simply never going to happen".
Comparing our outlook on science to that of times when people still believe the earth was flat is like comparing physics to religion.
Back then when people were wondering about the physical properties of the world they live in, they were simply making wild assumptions and unfounded statements about all kinds of stuff without having any kind of logically sound framework behind it. Today if we make any statements at all concerning physics, they are based on rigorous logical methods and most importantly, math. And once we make these statements, today we actually have the tools to prove or disprove them, which people "back then" (it's a lose timeframe, but think pre-middle ages era) simply didn't have.
And because of that we most certainly have reason to be "arrogant enough" to conclude that for now, faster than light travel is probably impossible and will be for the infinite future. Of course, anyone in their right minds is going to agree that there is a chance that we have in fact left a couple of things undiscovered which may give rise to new physical phenomena which can be used for FTL travel, but that acknowledgement is like the one when you acknowledge that you might in fact die if you cross that street in front of you.
But to understand this all those "alien-believers" would actually have to have a solid knowledge in physics (and to an extent, astrophysics), which they don't. There is very sound and solid evidence speaking against everything they believe in, but trying to make them understand that is like trying to teach human language to apes.
On April 17 2011 07:39 fight_or_flight wrote: It is extremely dubious to try and understand alien motivations, and therefore any actions they may take. It may be like a kid trying to understand the motivations of an adult - not really possible.
For example, odds are if they are here, they've always been here. A millennium or two isn't very long on a galactic time scale.
Religious folks try to use same argument as to why "God" from the Bible is so suspiciously primitive.
Sure, let's say we can't understand higher reasonings of civilizations million times more advanced than us, but if certain things don't make sense even to a relatively primitive race like us, they shouldn't make sense to higher beings either
There's a difference between having an open mind (i.e. not dismissing everything as "the government" or a "hoax", whilst understanding that a lot of these UFOs blatently are) and being an idiot. (As shown in Tim Minchin's song). You try to come across as rational and logical but instead show yourself to be incredibly ignorant.
I'm the first person to be skeptical when it comes to shit like this, but some of this stuff is unexplainable and downright scary. Saying that it's all "nonsense" and dismissing it all as ridiculous/impossible is simply stupid when thought about in hindsight.
Also, for the record, there is a world of difference between Biblical Christianity/Mind reading/the other crap that he rightly talks about as being BS, and Extraterrestrial Life.
On April 17 2011 07:39 fight_or_flight wrote: It is extremely dubious to try and understand alien motivations, and therefore any actions they may take. It may be like a kid trying to understand the motivations of an adult - not really possible.
For example, odds are if they are here, they've always been here. A millennium or two isn't very long on a galactic time scale.
Religious folks try to use same argument as to why "God" from the Bible is so suspiciously primitive.
Sure, let's say we can't understand higher reasonings of civilizations million times more advanced than us, but if certain things don't make sense even to a relatively primitive race like us, they shouldn't make sense to higher beings either
My post is essentially stating I'm ignorant and am aware of it, whereas your post is stating that you're not ignorant and do in fact understand what is really going on.
So really, you could say I'm just stating a lack of belief in a general presumption by the general public and official establishment. This is actually the position atheists were in throughout most of history.
On April 17 2011 08:09 Xanarial wrote: I'm the first person to be skeptical when it comes to shit like this, but some of this stuff is unexplainable and downright scary. Saying that it's all "nonsense" and dismissing it all as ridiculous/impossible is simply stupid when thought about in hindsight.
If you really believe that these "sightings" are unexplainable, it's because you haven't sought an explanation. Find the date and time and location of each of these "sightings" (or if it's a particularly famous sighting, it might even have its own name), do a google search on it, and read the probably well evidenced naturalistic explanation for it. If the "sighting" doesn't even tell you a date or time and/or a location, then it's entirely useless as evidence. We would have no way of researching the "sighting", and no way of knowing whether or not it was just somebody with even rudimentary video editing skills posting their stuff on youtube to mess with people.
And if you search rigorously and still can find no explanation for it, then the stance you ought to take is "I cannot explain this video, and will therefore hold off on making any judgments until I acquire more information or new evidence that allows me to understand this," not "Oh shit it's aliens."
On April 17 2011 08:09 Xanarial wrote: I'm the first person to be skeptical when it comes to shit like this, but some of this stuff is unexplainable and downright scary. Saying that it's all "nonsense" and dismissing it all as ridiculous/impossible is simply stupid when thought about in hindsight.
If you really believe that these "sightings" are unexplainable, it's because you haven't sought an explanation. Find the date and time and location of each of these "sightings" (or if it's a particularly famous sighting, it might even have its own name), do a google search on it, and read the probably well evidenced naturalistic explanation for it. If the "sighting" doesn't even tell you a date or time and/or a location, then it's entirely useless as evidence. We would have no way of researching the "sighting", and no way of knowing whether or not it was just somebody with even rudimentary video editing skills posting their stuff on youtube to mess with people.
And if you search rigorously and still can find no explanation for it, then the stance you ought to take is "I cannot explain this video, and will therefore hold off on making any judgments until I acquire more information or new evidence that allows me to understand this," not "Oh shit it's aliens."
You've missed my point entirely. I don't believe in Aliens enough to allow me to justify these videos, and I don't pretend to. Instead I question how you can dismiss that which cannot be explained outright as most hoaxes can. It's good to be skeptical, and to question that which there is no reasonable evidence. But when it comes to Extraterrestrial Life, a subject that no one can be sure of, one way or the other, because of the lack of evidence, you should be skeptical to both sides, and weighing them up equally.
I'm the first person to be skeptical when it comes to shit like this, but some of this stuff is unexplainable and downright scary. Saying that it's all "nonsense" and dismissing it all as ridiculous/impossible is simply stupid when thought about in hindsight.
Concluding anything else than 'it is unexplainable' from an unexplainable thing is just plain idiotic. Yeah, sure, it might be that aliens are making fancy lights in our skies, randomly abducting people and mutilating cows, but that possibility is neligible. Government or hoax are a million times more likely than aliens.
So, untill aliens land in our backyards (which would actually provide credible evidence), all people that believe in these UFO stories are too opendminded (as in all crap gets in too).
You've missed my point entirely. I don't believe in Aliens enough to allow me to justify these videos, and I don't pretend to. Instead I question how you can dismiss that which cannot be explained outright as most hoaxes can. It's good to be skeptical, and to question that which there is no reasonable evidence. But when it comes to Extraterrestrial Life, a subject that no one can be sure of, one way or the other, because of the lack of evidence, you should be skeptical to both sides, and weighing them up equally.
We don't dismiss anything that cannot be explained as hoaxes. We're just saying it's a million times more likely that it's a hoax/government/weather thing than aliens.
I'm the first person to be skeptical when it comes to shit like this, but some of this stuff is unexplainable and downright scary. Saying that it's all "nonsense" and dismissing it all as ridiculous/impossible is simply stupid when thought about in hindsight.
Concluding anything else than 'it is unexplainable' from an unexplainable thing is just plain idiotic. Yeah, sure, it might be that aliens are making fancy lights in our skies, randomly abducting people and mutilating cows, but that possibility is neligible. Government or hoax are a million times more likely than aliens.
So, untill aliens land in our backyards (which would actually provide credible evidence), all people that believe in these UFO stories are too opendminded (as in all crap gets in too).
You've missed my point entirely. I don't believe in Aliens enough to allow me to justify these videos, and I don't pretend to. Instead I question how you can dismiss that which cannot be explained outright as most hoaxes can. It's good to be skeptical, and to question that which there is no reasonable evidence. But when it comes to Extraterrestrial Life, a subject that no one can be sure of, one way or the other, because of the lack of evidence, you should be skeptical to both sides, and weighing them up equally.
We don't dismiss anything that cannot be explained as hoaxes. We're just saying it's a million times more likely that it's a hoax/government/weather thing than aliens.
Tbh you're not qualified to say that "it's a million times more likely that it's a hoax/government/weather thing than aliens."
I'm not trying to convince you that these are Aliens or that there is sufficient evidence to say that they exist, I'm trying to say that nothing is certain and having an open mind is the best way to consider videos like this. But hey, ignorance is bliss right?
I'm the first person to be skeptical when it comes to shit like this, but some of this stuff is unexplainable and downright scary. Saying that it's all "nonsense" and dismissing it all as ridiculous/impossible is simply stupid when thought about in hindsight.
Concluding anything else than 'it is unexplainable' from an unexplainable thing is just plain idiotic. Yeah, sure, it might be that aliens are making fancy lights in our skies, randomly abducting people and mutilating cows, but that possibility is neligible. Government or hoax are a million times more likely than aliens.
So, untill aliens land in our backyards (which would actually provide credible evidence), all people that believe in these UFO stories are too opendminded (as in all crap gets in too).
You've missed my point entirely. I don't believe in Aliens enough to allow me to justify these videos, and I don't pretend to. Instead I question how you can dismiss that which cannot be explained outright as most hoaxes can. It's good to be skeptical, and to question that which there is no reasonable evidence. But when it comes to Extraterrestrial Life, a subject that no one can be sure of, one way or the other, because of the lack of evidence, you should be skeptical to both sides, and weighing them up equally.
We don't dismiss anything that cannot be explained as hoaxes. We're just saying it's a million times more likely that it's a hoax/government/weather thing than aliens.
ridiculous.
im not saying aliens are to blame for anything, but saying the government did it is just as idiotic. why would the government be randomly mutilating animals and randomly cutting holes in the ground with lazer persission?
and you would think that throwing the public into a mass panic by blowing up top secret missiles over a city would be the last thing the government would want.
and i doubt its the military either. why the hell would the millitary want flying object that light up the entire sky? in order to give away there position to the enemy like jackasses? id think not.
I hate the whole "be open-minded" argument. Especially when the people telling it are those who are already "believers." I myself do believe alien life to be a possibility but when you are arguing from that standpoint, you often times try to find information or beliefs that "prove" your opinion rather than taking an objective viewpoint. While the video is entertaining and sometimes spooky I can't rationalize jumping on the bandwagon of "Science as we know it can't explain it therefore it must be aliens." I feel like this mentality does more harm than good and makes it so when and if real provable evidence is presented, a lot of people won't believe it having already been bombarded with this garbage. If trying to prove that alien life is real it is better to take a more scientific approach and be objective about it.
I'm the first person to be skeptical when it comes to shit like this, but some of this stuff is unexplainable and downright scary. Saying that it's all "nonsense" and dismissing it all as ridiculous/impossible is simply stupid when thought about in hindsight.
Concluding anything else than 'it is unexplainable' from an unexplainable thing is just plain idiotic. Yeah, sure, it might be that aliens are making fancy lights in our skies, randomly abducting people and mutilating cows, but that possibility is neligible. Government or hoax are a million times more likely than aliens.
So, untill aliens land in our backyards (which would actually provide credible evidence), all people that believe in these UFO stories are too opendminded (as in all crap gets in too).
You've missed my point entirely. I don't believe in Aliens enough to allow me to justify these videos, and I don't pretend to. Instead I question how you can dismiss that which cannot be explained outright as most hoaxes can. It's good to be skeptical, and to question that which there is no reasonable evidence. But when it comes to Extraterrestrial Life, a subject that no one can be sure of, one way or the other, because of the lack of evidence, you should be skeptical to both sides, and weighing them up equally.
We don't dismiss anything that cannot be explained as hoaxes. We're just saying it's a million times more likely that it's a hoax/government/weather thing than aliens.
Tbh you're not qualified to say that "it's a million times more likely that it's a hoax/government/weather thing than aliens."
I'm not trying to convince you that these are Aliens or that there is sufficient evidence to say that they exist, I'm trying to say that nothing is certain and having an open mind is the best way to consider videos like this. But hey, ignorance is bliss right?
Having your mind open too much will make crap fall into it (like those videos). Also, how many times have we seen real evidence of aliens? And now think of how many times people have debunked 'UFO' sightings. Yeah, that's right, I'm pretty sure the chances of it being aliens are MUCH smaller than the chance of it being hoax/government/weather/anything else human or nature related.
But sure, keep having your mind open so that this sort of crap can fall into it
The day aliens land and/or governments around the world acknowledge they exists is the day there will be enough credible evidence to suggest aliens may actually visit earth.
ridiculous.
im not saying aliens are to blame for anything, but saying the government did it is just as idiotic. why would the government be randomly mutilating animals and randomly cutting holes in the ground with lazer persission?
and you would think that throwing the public into a mass panic by blowing up top secret missiles over a city would be the last thing the government would want.
and i doubt its the military either. why the hell would the millitary want flying object that light up the entire sky? in order to give away there position to the enemy like jackasses? id think not.
ROFL! Nowhere did I say the government mutilates cows or blows up missilies above cities. It's all about possibility. What's more likely, an insane person cutting up some cows or motherfucking aliens showing dem cows whos boss? What's more likely, some weird weather phenomenom or badass aliens joyriding through our skies? Seriously...
I'm the first person to be skeptical when it comes to shit like this, but some of this stuff is unexplainable and downright scary. Saying that it's all "nonsense" and dismissing it all as ridiculous/impossible is simply stupid when thought about in hindsight.
Concluding anything else than 'it is unexplainable' from an unexplainable thing is just plain idiotic. Yeah, sure, it might be that aliens are making fancy lights in our skies, randomly abducting people and mutilating cows, but that possibility is neligible. Government or hoax are a million times more likely than aliens.
So, untill aliens land in our backyards (which would actually provide credible evidence), all people that believe in these UFO stories are too opendminded (as in all crap gets in too).
You've missed my point entirely. I don't believe in Aliens enough to allow me to justify these videos, and I don't pretend to. Instead I question how you can dismiss that which cannot be explained outright as most hoaxes can. It's good to be skeptical, and to question that which there is no reasonable evidence. But when it comes to Extraterrestrial Life, a subject that no one can be sure of, one way or the other, because of the lack of evidence, you should be skeptical to both sides, and weighing them up equally.
We don't dismiss anything that cannot be explained as hoaxes. We're just saying it's a million times more likely that it's a hoax/government/weather thing than aliens.
Tbh you're not qualified to say that "it's a million times more likely that it's a hoax/government/weather thing than aliens."
I'm not trying to convince you that these are Aliens or that there is sufficient evidence to say that they exist, I'm trying to say that nothing is certain and having an open mind is the best way to consider videos like this. But hey, ignorance is bliss right?
Having your mind open too much will make crap fall into it (like those videos). Also, how many times have we seen real evidence of aliens? And now think of how many times people have debunked 'UFO' sightings. Yeah, that's right, I'm pretty sure the chances of it being aliens are MUCH smaller than the chance of it being hoax/government/weather/anything else human or nature related.
But sure, keep having your mind open so that this sort of crap can fall into it
The day aliens land and/or governments around the world acknowledge they exists is the day there will be enough credible evidence to suggest aliens may actually visit earth.
Okay, I fully understand what you're saying and think I'm just gonna leave it at that.
I'm the first person to be skeptical when it comes to shit like this, but some of this stuff is unexplainable and downright scary. Saying that it's all "nonsense" and dismissing it all as ridiculous/impossible is simply stupid when thought about in hindsight.
Concluding anything else than 'it is unexplainable' from an unexplainable thing is just plain idiotic. Yeah, sure, it might be that aliens are making fancy lights in our skies, randomly abducting people and mutilating cows, but that possibility is neligible. Government or hoax are a million times more likely than aliens.
So, untill aliens land in our backyards (which would actually provide credible evidence), all people that believe in these UFO stories are too opendminded (as in all crap gets in too).
You've missed my point entirely. I don't believe in Aliens enough to allow me to justify these videos, and I don't pretend to. Instead I question how you can dismiss that which cannot be explained outright as most hoaxes can. It's good to be skeptical, and to question that which there is no reasonable evidence. But when it comes to Extraterrestrial Life, a subject that no one can be sure of, one way or the other, because of the lack of evidence, you should be skeptical to both sides, and weighing them up equally.
We don't dismiss anything that cannot be explained as hoaxes. We're just saying it's a million times more likely that it's a hoax/government/weather thing than aliens.
Tbh you're not qualified to say that "it's a million times more likely that it's a hoax/government/weather thing than aliens."
I'm not trying to convince you that these are Aliens or that there is sufficient evidence to say that they exist, I'm trying to say that nothing is certain and having an open mind is the best way to consider videos like this. But hey, ignorance is bliss right?
Having your mind open too much will make crap fall into it (like those videos). Also, how many times have we seen real evidence of aliens? And now think of how many times people have debunked 'UFO' sightings. Yeah, that's right, I'm pretty sure the chances of it being aliens are MUCH smaller than the chance of it being hoax/government/weather/anything else human or nature related.
But sure, keep having your mind open so that this sort of crap can fall into it
The day aliens land and/or governments around the world acknowledge they exists is the day there will be enough credible evidence to suggest aliens may actually visit earth.
do you know what a UFO is?
UFO-unidentified flying object.
a UFO can be anything untill it is identified. a UFO can be a bird. but untill we can confirm that it is infact a bird it is considered a UFO. once we have identified it as a bird then its title will be turned from UFO to bird.
this is what happens when you dont have a open mind like yourself. you automatically classify a "UFO" as a alien from outer space from a unknown galaxy when in reality a UFO is literally just what it means, a UNIDENTIFIED flying object.
so since it is unidentified a UFO can be anything until it is identified. you and people ike you need to stop tossing that term around so incorrectly. a UFO does not automatically mean "alien".
ROFL! Nowhere did I say the government mutilates cows or blows up missilies above cities. It's all about possibility. What's more likely, an insane person cutting up some cows or motherfucking aliens showing dem cows whos boss? What's more likely, some weird weather phenomenom or badass aliens joyriding through our skies? Seriously...
again you are uninformed. if it was a "wierd weather phenomenon" then it would have been IDENTIFIED as such. if it has not been identified then it can literally be anything.
whether or not it is "more likely" is COMPLETELY irrelevant because it can literally be ANYTHING including but NOT limited to aliens.
On April 17 2011 07:55 heishe wrote: Reading these kinds of threads is always pretty funny.
In German there is a nice little phrase concerning "open-mindedness" that not many people know - "Absolut offen oder eher nicht ganz dicht?". There's no way to translate that literally, but I can try to explain it: The phrase uses the property of the attributes in that sentence to make a nice word play on people with supposed "absolutely open minds" by implying that they are in fact just idiots.
On April 17 2011 00:44 rubio91 wrote: I think you are not getting the point. Let's admit that some form of interstellar space travel is possible (however it is likely NOT possible, as stated by Rumpleforeskin and other people, for very clear scientific reasons), why a very advanced technologically civilization should travel to our miserable planet, and fly on our cities, maintaining distances without making any form of direct contact? Why there is not any decent sighting of an alien, or an alien spaceship, which CANNOT be explained by other, more "regular" phenomena? Are They kidding with us? They travel for hundred of light years, just to float in our atmosphere? I don't believe so. P.S. why quantum mechanics can't explain stars? Pauli exclusion principle is required for a star to exist, and it is a major statement of QM. PPS sorry for any language mistake, that's not my main language
Oh, I don't believe any of this crap is aliens. The only thing I find less plausible is that our current understanding of the universe is advanced enough to make a statement like "interstellar travel is simply never going to happen".
Comparing our outlook on science to that of times when people still believe the earth was flat is like comparing physics to religion.
Back then when people were wondering about the physical properties of the world they live in, they were simply making wild assumptions and unfounded statements about all kinds of stuff without having any kind of logically sound framework behind it. Today if we make any statements at all concerning physics, they are based on rigorous logical methods and most importantly, math. And once we make these statements, today we actually have the tools to prove or disprove them, which people "back then" (it's a lose timeframe, but think pre-middle ages era) simply didn't have.
And because of that we most certainly have reason to be "arrogant enough" to conclude that for now, faster than light travel is probably impossible and will be for the infinite future. Of course, anyone in their right minds is going to agree that there is a chance that we have in fact left a couple of things undiscovered which may give rise to new physical phenomena which can be used for FTL travel, but that acknowledgement is like the one when you acknowledge that you might in fact die if you cross that street in front of you.
But to understand this all those "alien-believers" would actually have to have a solid knowledge in physics (and to an extent, astrophysics), which they don't. There is very sound and solid evidence speaking against everything they believe in, but trying to make them understand that is like trying to teach human language to apes.
So, you're evaluation of the humanities current understanding of the universe, quantum physics, subatomic particles, and relativity is that we have "left a couple of things undiscovered"? I think that is a gross overestimation of what we know.
Think about it: we are a less than infantile civilization confined to one insignificantly small little speck floating out in the back ass-crack of the universe. If every human being who had ever existed was born with an expert's understanding of modern physics, had access to their own personal version of today's most powerful telescopes and spent every single hour of their lives doing nothing but looking into the stars, the human race today still wouldn't even be able to have observed - much less analyzed and understood - even the smallest measurable fraction of all the phenomena in the universe.
Yet, you want to say that we have "left a couple of things undiscovered"?
On April 17 2011 07:55 heishe wrote: Comparing our outlook on science to that of times when people still believe the earth was flat is like comparing physics to religion.
It is funny that you say that because you seem to have incredible faith in physics.
And because of that we most certainly have reason to be "arrogant enough" to conclude that for now, faster than light travel is probably impossible and will be for the infinite future. Of course, anyone in their right minds is going to agree that there is a chance that we have in fact left a couple of things undiscovered which may give rise to new physical phenomena which can be used for FTL travel, but that acknowledgement is like the one when you acknowledge that you might in fact die if you cross that street in front of you.
Do you know the story about how Planck chose to go into Physics even when everyone agreed everything there was to be discovered was already discovered? Because it seems there was plenty more to add to the picture, also you need to remember technology doesn't need much to push forward all it takes is a good idea and the brains to make it work, Silicon and electricity were at our fingertips for what 100 years before some1 had the idea of making a transistor ? Same train of thought, electronics wasn't even recognized as an engineering field untill WW2, when they invented the most trivial shit like paper based capacitors which no1 even thought about before.
Solutions exist to every problem, no matter how insurmountable it seems in our ignorance. As for the sceptics, you should watch that show Michio Kaku has on discovery science, maybe it opens your mind a lil bit.
On April 16 2011 15:55 Befree wrote: The amount of conditions (for this UFO scenario to occur) that would have to be met would create a probability of this happening so extremely, almost infinitely low that you may as well consider it a 0% chance of happening.
Examples of these conditions: Chance of life developing on a planet, chance of the life developing intelligence on this planet, chance of this intelligent life developing interstellar travel before destroying itself, chance of these aliens finding/deciding to travel to Earth, chance of such aliens at a such an extreme level of technology sending ships to physically hover over Earth to observe it, chance that these spacecrafts would make themselves visible, etc etc
Imagine you took a bunch of scrap metal and random things you found on the street, walked to the top of a tall building and threw them off. Imagine as it fell and hit the ground bouncing around/colliding with itself, and the random bouncing of this junk formed a car. THIS is a more realistic scenario than aliens visiting Earth in the way described by UFO enthusiasts.
I don't know if even that stresses how incredibly miniscule the probability is.
I don't know what causes some of these things, but pointing to UFO's is just ridiculous.
Earth is fairly young in terms of the WHOLE universe.
Just think if one of the FIRST planets with the core elements to create life, billions and billions of years before earth, and if that life grew to be intelligent (very probable), it would be SO far in the past their Planet's history / evolution would be in the year.. 4000.. something ridiculous in comparison to our world's history. By that time they would have unbelievable technology, spread across multiple planets.. they will have evolved perhaps using 100% of their brain's capacity.
With that much TIME, they could EASILY prevail sooo far in science and easily transverse the whole universe, and yes, discovery our planet.
I KNOW when humans (if we live that long) get the technology to do this (light speed, bending space to go across the universe), we WILL look for other life.
Just have to put yourself in their shoes, I think its TOTALLY reasonable to think that another life species knows about our human existence.
Dude, we, nor any other civilsation will ever travel across the galaxy. Look at my previous post, interstellar travel is simply never going to happen. Please learn some basic physics.
Lol at your fail post. Just because mankind havent made it(or can imagine it) doesnt mean any other species could'nt. Really ignorant post on your part.
And yeah. I think basicly any above 15 years old knows the basic's of physics as well as einsteins cant move faster then light THEORY. But i mean in 1 million years, where would humanity be? if there are aliens out (around us) im guessing their a million years ahead in technology. Or better yet. They dont need technology because of their evolution. Stop beeing so blind and open your mind 1% more and you are going to realize that you should delete the post i quoted or atleast edit it. and stop beeing ignorant. If you dont belive it(or have the capacity to,) dont post ignorant posts in threads you dont belong. And btw interstellar travel is already possible if we pass through black holes. Maybe the aliens have allready mapped out the holes? ^^, EDIT: forgot. As a math major. You do realise that its 100% 1000's of other alien races out there. And btw Physics Master degree here.
I realise that there are (almost certainly) plenty of aliens out there, I'm not denying that. However you are either a liar or a fool when you say you have a physics master degree. You emphasise the word 'theory' showing that you don't understand what the word means in science. A theory isn't a 'best guess' about what we think is going on, it's a comprehensive explanation which may or may not be correct. Gravity is a THEORY, so are atoms, the microbe theory of disease, and electricity. The word theory has no bearing on how accepted the idea is.
Also, "Pass through black holes"? You clearly have no clue what black holes are. They aren't special gateways to other dimensions, they aren't portals and you sure as hell can't go into one without dying when (or rather, before) you hit the singularity. They're simply areas which light can't escape if it enters. Go look up black holes on wikipedia before you post. As I said in my first post (not quoted here, look back one page), simple physics shows that interstellar travel is difficult to the point of impossibility.
Simply saying "Just because we can't imagine it doesn't mean that it can't happen" is a cop out. We may not understand alot about our universe, but this doesn't mean we're ignorant. All our physics, from Newton's gravity to General Relativity to Quantum Mechanics, has no place for interstellar travel.
Your post also said that perhaps their evolution helped them travel between stars. Unless you're suggesting that they are telepathic (in which case I suggest you send yourself to the loony bin Mr Physics Masters) I fail to see how any evolutionary process can prepare them for interstellar travel.
TL;DR, You're a liar when you say you have a Physics Masters, and you don't understand the relevant science.
TLDR even if you don't have a masters in physics, you can still understand a simple point..
humanity is REALLY young in the scheme of things. If we, as a human race, live for a VERY.. VERY long time we will have the technology to travel across universes. I know from even the fucking science channel that scientists are already picking their brains at the subject, bending space and time ETC. With soo much TIME, with the help of evolution (learning to use larger %s of our brain, imagine if every scientist in 2000 years had a greater IQ than Einstein) we will figure these matters out.
Now apply this to life on another planet, with that planet being billions and billions of years younger than Earth and having life fully developed / evolution-ized.. Suddenly the idea that aliens know about us doesn't seem to far fetched.
The taiwain video looks like a haarp weather machine to me. Lol I could show the whole team liquid site some crazy shit. I have a friend on facebook who predicted the chile, new zealend, and japan earthquake all to the date and hour. Apparently he lives in austalia and has friends who hacked the white house and have information on all the weather machines and man made tragedy's.
Beyond even the fact that the videos for these things are never nice and in HD with good close-ups, not to mention the usual graininess, it just seems awfully strange that a race so advanced that they could get here from probably minimum halfway across the galaxy would do things like this. Why fly a ship with flashy lights right into metropolitan areas, then never seek to directly communicate?
I suppose it's possible that their supercharged brains have come up with some plan where they inure us to sightings before actually landing and trying to make contact, however, it just seems unlikely. What reason would they have to make contact except to enlighten us, use us for their own entertainment, or just study us; I'm sure we are pretty boring to such an advanced race.
On April 17 2011 18:38 KillaBeeSting wrote: The taiwain video looks like a haarp weather machine to me. Lol I could show the whole team liquid site some crazy shit. I have a friend on facebook who predicted the chile, new zealend, and japan earthquake all to the date and hour. Apparently he lives in austalia and has friends who hacked the white house and have information on all the weather machines and man made tragedy's.
So, you're evaluation of the humanities current understanding of the universe, quantum physics, subatomic particles, and relativity is that we have "left a couple of things undiscovered"? I think that is a gross overestimation of what we know.
This is what you think, but you can't proof it as heishe can't either. However, restricting the field in physics and astrophysics, the vasts majority of the work is done, with the exception of quantum gravity. Yes there are lots of other field of knowledge that need a lot of research (for example neuroscience) but they are not connected with space travel.
It is funny that you say that because you seem to have incredible faith in physics.
This is not faith, believing in some sort of FTL travel to be discovered in future is faith.
Do you know the story about how Planck chose to go into Physics even when everyone agreed everything there was to be discovered was already discovered?
I don't know, because it is not true. When Plank "went" into physics there were macroscopic phenomena still unexplained. Google "black body"
humanity is REALLY young in the scheme of things. If we, as a human race, live for a VERY.. VERY long time we will have the technology to travel across universes. I know from even the fucking science channel that scientists are already picking their brains at the subject, bending space and time ETC. With soo much TIME, with the help of evolution (learning to use larger %s of our brain, imagine if every scientist in 2000 years had a greater IQ than Einstein) we will figure these matters out.
with "very long time" do you mean after or before our sun explodes? also, the story that we only use a % of our brain is fake. We use all of it, just certain parts are dedicated to certain works.
Why fly a ship with flashy lights right into metropolitan areas, then never seek to directly communicate?
On April 17 2011 09:34 Ballistixz wrote:do you know what a UFO is?
UFO-unidentified flying object.
a UFO can be anything untill it is identified. a UFO can be a bird. but untill we can confirm that it is infact a bird it is considered a UFO. once we have identified it as a bird then its title will be turned from UFO to bird.
In case you didn't notice, we are talking about the assumptions that these UFO's are aliens here. So when I say 'UFO' I mean 'a supposed alien'.
this is what happens when you dont have a open mind like yourself. you automatically classify a "UFO" as a alien from outer space from a unknown galaxy when in reality a UFO is literally just what it means, a UNIDENTIFIED flying object.
??? That's the exact opposite of the stance I take on this subject.
so since it is unidentified a UFO can be anything until it is identified. you and people ike you need to stop tossing that term around so incorrectly. a UFO does not automatically mean "alien".
ROFL! Nowhere did I say the government mutilates cows or blows up missilies above cities. It's all about possibility. What's more likely, an insane person cutting up some cows or motherfucking aliens showing dem cows whos boss? What's more likely, some weird weather phenomenom or badass aliens joyriding through our skies? Seriously...
again you are uninformed. if it was a "wierd weather phenomenon" then it would have been IDENTIFIED as such. if it has not been identified then it can literally be anything.
whether or not it is "more likely" is COMPLETELY irrelevant because it can literally be ANYTHING including but NOT limited to aliens.
No, what's more likely is completely relevant. Someone posted an excellent analogy a few pages back:
Right now, I don't know how much money is in my wallet. It could be anything, $100, $5, $1. Knowing that I am a starving college student, certain things are more likely than others. I can't entirely eliminate the possibility that I have $100 in my wallet, or $99, or $98, and so on. (I know I have no coins). So essentially, there are 101 possible amounts of money for me to have, every discrete integer from $0 to $100 inclusive. Just because I have no evidence, does NOT at all mean that there is a 1% chance of $1, 1% for $2, and 1% for $100. It is FAR more likely that I have a small amount of cash. Probably something like 50% $0, 49% $1, and a fraction of a percent for other outcomes. There are other factors that come into probability even if you dont know what they are.
Similarly, there is a light in the sky. It could certainly be aliens, I concede that fact. It could also have 99 possible terrestrial explanations. Just because its possible that its aliens ($100) does not make it likely.
Not knowing how much money I have, I would not act as if I had $100 to spend. Similarly, not knowing what the light in the sky was, I will not act as if its aliens.
DISCLAIMER: I actually want to believe aliens are visiting Earth with superadvanced technology. However, the possibility of it is just abyssmal. Therefore I will not go like "OOOOH ALIENS!1!!1111!!" everytime someone posts some crappy low quality supposed 'UFO' sighting. As much as I want to believe, I will stay sceptical of the subject until I am presented with credible evidence. I also acknowledge there is a chance some of these sightings are really aliens, but I also believe that chance is neligible.
Having a decent understanding of how the brain works helps to put people's claims in perspective: we are more or less programmed to look for patterns in our environment, sometimes on the grounds of spurious correlations, sometimes even without. Add people's tendency to think of themselves as having a superior understanding of what's real and what isn't, finish with the limitations of human perception and generously imperfect memory... and you end up with the probability that some guy's explanation of any event is actually correct. It's not that large. Evidence is pivotal. Considering how stupid people are, is it really surprising that they sometimes see things they can't explain? I'm not surprised at all. I'm surprised other people give a shit. If these folks weren't littering the streets I wouldn't mind, but sadly they tend to be the chatty type. Goodness, look, another tinfoil hat.
On April 17 2011 17:43 EternaL_9 wrote: I know from even the fucking science channel that scientists are already picking their brains at the subject, bending space and time ETC. With soo much TIME, with the help of evolution (learning to use larger %s of our brain, imagine if every scientist in 2000 years had a greater IQ than Einstein) we will figure these matters out.
Wow this guy is hilarious :D Did you also see that one on animal planet where scientists had proof that sirens actually exist but the government was trying to hide the evidence? What about that other one on NatGeo where this scientist had proof atlantis existed and was inhabited by aliens?
So here's a theory: aliens came to earth and made a home at atlantis, but when the tsunami came they had to flee and live as sirens. Now they are allied with the ghosts from destination truth (scifi channel) and use them to send us signals in the sky. This way they want to teach us how to use a larger % of our brain so we learn how to rebuild their siren spaceship at atlantis. Just so they can go back home (see steven spielberg's et).
Well you can't prove that wrong can you!! Looks like science to me! We should obviously be looking for sirens in deep sea to enlighten us :D
I don't know, because it is not true. When Plank "went" into physics there were macroscopic phenomena still unexplained. Google "black body"
Wrong, there was still plenty left, they just thought it was basicly nothing just like some of you think of what we have yet to find out. Also it's a true story you could learn from.
Wrong, there was still plenty left, they just thought it was basicly nothing just like some of you think of what we have yet to find out. Also it's a true story you could learn from.
I know what "went" means. I'm just saying that, while many physicists thought that the apex of scientific knowledge was reached with maxwell equations, there were still a lot of phenomena that couldn't be explained, like the radiation of the black body. That situation cannot be applied now.
i suggest you guys watching this video then tell me what you think this dude is real, he has facts, he explain how "aliens" travel and he has worked there.
That's all I would have to say, Neil says it 1000 times better than I could.
What Neil Tyson fails to realize is that aliens always paralyze their subjects to keep them under control, so snatching something off a shelf would be impossible.
On April 18 2011 00:38 whiteLotus wrote: i suggest you guys watching this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJolFbj8nc4 then tell me what you think this dude is real, he has facts, he explain how "aliens" travel and he has worked there.
This made me laugh. Gravity A and gravity B. "amplifying gravity". He clearly doesn't know what is he talking about. He is mistaking a nuclear force with a gravitational force.
That's all I would have to say, Neil says it 1000 times better than I could.
What Neil Tyson fails to realize is that aliens always paralyze their subjects to keep them under control, so snatching something off a shelf would be impossible.
On April 18 2011 00:38 whiteLotus wrote: i suggest you guys watching this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJolFbj8nc4 then tell me what you think this dude is real, he has facts, he explain how "aliens" travel and he has worked there.
This made me laugh. Gravity A and gravity B. "amplifying gravity". He clearly doesn't know what is he talking about. He is mistaking a nuclear force with a gravitational force.
yeah guy who worked at area 51 doesnt know what is he talking about. ya ok.
On April 17 2011 19:01 Fontong wrote: Beyond even the fact that the videos for these things are never nice and in HD with good close-ups, not to mention the usual graininess, it just seems awfully strange that a race so advanced that they could get here from probably minimum halfway across the galaxy would do things like this. Why fly a ship with flashy lights right into metropolitan areas, then never seek to directly communicate?
I suppose it's possible that their supercharged brains have come up with some plan where they inure us to sightings before actually landing and trying to make contact, however, it just seems unlikely. What reason would they have to make contact except to enlighten us, use us for their own entertainment, or just study us; I'm sure we are pretty boring to such an advanced race.
On April 17 2011 18:38 KillaBeeSting wrote: The taiwain video looks like a haarp weather machine to me. Lol I could show the whole team liquid site some crazy shit. I have a friend on facebook who predicted the chile, new zealend, and japan earthquake all to the date and hour. Apparently he lives in austalia and has friends who hacked the white house and have information on all the weather machines and man made tragedy's.
That's all I would have to say, Neil says it 1000 times better than I could.
What Neil Tyson fails to realize is that aliens always paralyze their subjects to keep them under control, so snatching something off a shelf would be impossible.
On April 18 2011 05:23 EternaL_9 wrote: Read this. Pretty crazy reports from multiple air force agencies in the middle east about a UFO.
That is much more convincing than this poorly put together video of several seconds of fuzzy lights of multiple types (suggesting tons of different types of alien aircraft).
The evidence in this thread is extremely weak, and you need extremely good evidence for stuff like this.
On April 18 2011 05:23 EternaL_9 wrote: Read this. Pretty crazy reports from multiple air force agencies in the middle east about a UFO.
Do you EVER even try to look for the other side of the other argument before posting crap? A single google search to tehran 1976 shows dozens of explanations to it in the first page. Have you even tried to do that before posting? From what I gather that's simply a temporary abuse of wikipedia that simply wasn't moderated out yet. As you can easily tell from the discussion tab on that wiki page. That page is about to be deleted simply because whoever wrote that crap just failed to provide enough reference that didn't come from "ufo-evidences.com" or similar bogus websites.
So I ask you again. Do you ever try to google the stuff you post to try to understand both sides of the argument? Or do you simply copy paste stuff from your favorite ufo-fan websites and leave it for others to google stuff you are too lazy to do yourself?
That page is about to be deleted simply because whoever wrote that crap just failed to provide enough reference that didn't come from "ufo-evidences.com" or similar bogus websites.
Where else would you get the "evidence" from? I mean, you won't find arguments for eating meat on a website created by vegetarians and as far as i know there has yet to come an independent organisation which deals with the ufo phenomenon.
A reason for that is, as soon as an organisation begins to look into that kind of phenomena, in the public eye it will become bogus.
As i must say, when i talk about ufos i dont talk about aliens. An ufo is an unidentified flying object. There doesn't have to be a martian in them, or venusian, or whatever.
That's all I would have to say, Neil says it 1000 times better than I could.
LOL That guy is awesome. Every UFO lover should watch this
He talks about a very important point that 99% of the people don't understand. That science is never 100% sure about ANYTHING. That's the whole points of science. To be always questioning the universe, including your own answers, and always try to come up with better solutions. If you are 100% sure about something, you're a bad scientist. If you are sure, then it's not science, it's religion. That's the definition of what religion is. To have faith in believing in something with no questioning. If you're a religious person who starts questioning your beliefs. You're doing science. Science is questioning and uncertainty.
This big common arguments the masses keep using over and over that: "you cannot be 100% sure aliens/god/unicorns doesn't exist, so it's plausible science". Is ridiculous and completely misunderstanding of what science is. And just inverting the burden of proof. You need to have much more than just "you cannot prove it wrong" to have a reasonable theory that will be worth the time of any science board. Because there is NOTHING about science that we know for sure, not just your theory. So for your theory to have any relevance, you have to provide a little more than just "you cannot prove it wrong". Because that's ridiculous, and no one will take you seriously.
As a wannabe scientist I'm naturally very skeptical. However, in the case of UFOs that is Unidentified Flying Objects (no where did I say aliens) a scientific - esque inquiry is definitely deserved. I say scientific-esque because it would be very difficult to do a real scientific study without hard evidence. But there would still be something to gain if people took it seriously and actually spent time and resources investigating the matter. The majority of reported sightings can be explained as weather phenomenon, illusion, known aircraft etc. but as Kean states in her book about %5 of sightings have never been explained but HAVE been documented as very real occurances. These are military, pilots, and other professionals having encounters that they cannot explain.
I think it is that %5 that deserve to be taken seriously, and once again nobody is saying aliens. I just hope eventually the stigma that comes with taking these things seriously will go away.
So, you're evaluation of the humanities current understanding of the universe, quantum physics, subatomic particles, and relativity is that we have "left a couple of things undiscovered"? I think that is a gross overestimation of what we know.
This is what you think, but you can't proof it as heishe can't either. However, restricting the field in physics and astrophysics, the vasts majority of the work is done, with the exception of quantum gravity. Yes there are lots of other field of knowledge that need a lot of research (for example neuroscience) but they are not connected with space travel.
So, you're actually saying that the vast majority of everything that can be discovered in physics has been discovered? Really? Wow. Like I said, man, faith.
On April 18 2011 06:28 MadVillain wrote: bla bla bla amazon link blabla
People, check that book out.
As a wannabe scientist I'm naturally very skeptical. However, in the case of UFOs that is Unidentified Flying Objects (no where did I say aliens) a scientific - esque inquiry is definitely deserved. I say scientific-esque because it would be very difficult to do a real scientific study without hard evidence. But there would still be something to gain if people took it seriously and actually spent time and resources investigating the matter. The majority of reported sightings can be explained as weather phenomenon, illusion, known aircraft etc. but as Kean states in her book about %5 of sightings have never been explained but HAVE been documented as very real occurances. These are military, pilots, and other professionals having encounters that they cannot explain.
I think it is that %5 that deserve to be taken seriously, and once again nobody is saying aliens. I just hope eventually the stigma that comes with taking these things seriously will go away.
You didn't really understand what Neil said, now, did you? If you didn't watch the video, go back a couple of posts and watch the Neil Tyson video.
Also, a) cut the crap, if you considered UFOs to be just unidentified flying objects, chances are you wouldn't give a flying fuck about them; b) being a "wannabe scientist" doesn't make you "very skeptical", definitely not "naturally". In my experience, this sort of preamble is used by credulous people who think saying this would make their arguments any more convincing or make them look less gullible. Fact: it doesn't. Finally, c) who gives a shit about what "military, pilots, and other professionals" say if what they're saying is c.1) that there have been times where they didn't, or failed to, identify a flying object or c.2) claiming it was something but can't provide evidence for their claims? This is a logical fallacy called appeal to authority, and if you "want to be" a scientist, you better learn to see through this nonsense.
On April 18 2011 06:28 MadVillain wrote: bla bla bla amazon link blabla
People, check that book out.
As a wannabe scientist I'm naturally very skeptical. However, in the case of UFOs that is Unidentified Flying Objects (no where did I say aliens) a scientific - esque inquiry is definitely deserved. I say scientific-esque because it would be very difficult to do a real scientific study without hard evidence. But there would still be something to gain if people took it seriously and actually spent time and resources investigating the matter. The majority of reported sightings can be explained as weather phenomenon, illusion, known aircraft etc. but as Kean states in her book about %5 of sightings have never been explained but HAVE been documented as very real occurances. These are military, pilots, and other professionals having encounters that they cannot explain.
I think it is that %5 that deserve to be taken seriously, and once again nobody is saying aliens. I just hope eventually the stigma that comes with taking these things seriously will go away.
You didn't really understand what Neil said, now, did you? If you didn't watch the video, go back a couple of posts and watch the Neil Tyson video.
Also, a) cut the crap, if you considered UFOs to be just unidentified flying objects, chances are you wouldn't give a flying fuck about them; b) being a "wannabe scientist" doesn't make you "very skeptical", definitely not "naturally". In my experience, this sort of preamble is used by credulous people who think saying this would make their arguments any more convincing or make them look less gullible. Fact: it doesn't. Finally, c) who gives a shit about what "military, pilots, and other professionals" say if what they're saying is c.1) that there have been times where they didn't, or failed to, identify a flying object or c.2) claiming it was something but can't provide evidence for their claims? This is a logical fallacy called appeal to authority, and if you "want to be" a scientist, you better learn to see through this nonsense.
Phew watched this video at 1 a.m. by myself in the dark and not gonna lie was a bit freaked out. Thank god I can always rely on the TL community to knock some sense into me lol.
The video is well done but some selective editing helped to give it some dramatic value. I think aliens do exist somewhere in our universe, space is too vast for us to be the only ones. However I certainly do not think that their are extra-dimensional beings who are infiltrating our government and preparing to wipe out the "major population centers."
I wish these conspiracy theorists would quit piggy-backing on the Mayan thing. Which is ridiculous in its own right. I mean, my school releases the class schedules for the semesters for the next two years at a time, does that mean that after that their is no school or that the school will cease to exist? No it means they haven't printed the schedules for them yet because its very far off. That reasoning doesn't even make sense. Anyway's good discussion.
Aliens visiting earth in this manner just makes no sense whatsoever. Why make hints by letting us see "UFOs" even though they must have technology to stay completely hidden (Since we never detect any spaceships nearing earth with any telescopes or satelites?) Why not do something? Why even visit earth? It makes no sense, and the fact that so many still chooses to believe this makes me sad.
Besides that there are always way more likely explanations for all unidentified flying objects than that they are alien spacecraft. JUST BECAUSE WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT IS DOES NOT MEAN IT HAS TO BE ALIENS!
Yes, there is almost a certainty that other lifeforms of some kind exist elsewhere in the universe, but that they will ever visit earth or be able to travel very far in a galactic sense is very very very unlikely.
All spiral UFOs occurred during failed rocket tests. One by Russia over Norway, one by China over China and one by the US over Australia. Rocket spirals are rare events and when one happens tomorrow it will be all over UFO sites. So showing the actual 'UFO' pictures to show how a bigger rocket spiral in darkness looks like, can't be done. All of them are market UFO.
People, as long as we will be having helicopters fly at night when people use long exposure cameras and as long as countries will be launching rockets, we will keep seeing these very familiar 'UFO's all across the world.
On April 23 2011 11:57 v3chr0 wrote: Countless planets + billions of years + Human existence = 0.01% chance that we are the only intelligent life in existence.
10,000,000,000,000,000 planets - 14 000 000 000 years - 1 known planet with intelligent life
Odds of life being created - unknown
??% chance that we are the only intelligent life in existence.
On April 18 2011 06:28 MadVillain wrote: bla bla bla amazon link blabla
People, check that book out.
As a wannabe scientist I'm naturally very skeptical. However, in the case of UFOs that is Unidentified Flying Objects (no where did I say aliens) a scientific - esque inquiry is definitely deserved. I say scientific-esque because it would be very difficult to do a real scientific study without hard evidence. But there would still be something to gain if people took it seriously and actually spent time and resources investigating the matter. The majority of reported sightings can be explained as weather phenomenon, illusion, known aircraft etc. but as Kean states in her book about %5 of sightings have never been explained but HAVE been documented as very real occurances. These are military, pilots, and other professionals having encounters that they cannot explain.
I think it is that %5 that deserve to be taken seriously, and once again nobody is saying aliens. I just hope eventually the stigma that comes with taking these things seriously will go away.
You didn't really understand what Neil said, now, did you? If you didn't watch the video, go back a couple of posts and watch the Neil Tyson video.
Also, a) cut the crap, if you considered UFOs to be just unidentified flying objects, chances are you wouldn't give a flying fuck about them; b) being a "wannabe scientist" doesn't make you "very skeptical", definitely not "naturally". In my experience, this sort of preamble is used by credulous people who think saying this would make their arguments any more convincing or make them look less gullible. Fact: it doesn't. Finally, c) who gives a shit about what "military, pilots, and other professionals" say if what they're saying is c.1) that there have been times where they didn't, or failed to, identify a flying object or c.2) claiming it was something but can't provide evidence for their claims? This is a logical fallacy called appeal to authority, and if you "want to be" a scientist, you better learn to see through this nonsense.
Either way it's bullshit. Seriously, get a grip.
cut the crap, if you considered UFOs to be just unidentified flying objects, chances are you wouldn't give a flying fuck about them
How the hell do you know what I would care about? The fact of the matter is UFOs are what the acronym stands for: Unidentified Flying Objects. UFOs being of extraterrestrial origin is one theory, an intriguing one at that, but not the only one. And it certainly doesn't make the value of investigating the matter any less.
being a "wannabe scientist" doesn't make you "very skeptical", definitely not "naturally". In my experience, this sort of preamble is used by credulous people who think saying this would make their arguments any more convincing or make them look less gullible. Fact: it doesn't.
Fine I'll restate that: As a person who will be pursuing a career in academic research AND as a person who has substantial education in math and sciences I fully understand the scientific method/philosophies and am fully aware of the inherent skepticism needed to investigate natural phenomenon like UFO sitings. I'm sorry but you're coming off as an ultra-opinionated douche.
You didn't even counter anything I said.. why exactly shouldn't the phenomenon of UFOs be taken seriously? Like I said there are a fairly substantial amount of UFO reports with documentation (radar data being the most intriguing) that simply have not been investigated to the measure that they deserve.
Finally, c) who gives a shit about what "military, pilots, and other professionals" say if what they're saying is c.1) that there have been times where they didn't, or failed to, identify a flying object or c.2) claiming it was something but can't provide evidence for their claims? This is a logical fallacy called appeal to authority, and if you "want to be" a scientist, you better learn to see through this nonsense.
You're right appeals to authority is a logical fallacy. But when you're talking about military officials who were at one time not allowed to speak of events that they witnessed, then you actually do gain some insight into listening to them. And no these aren't just people who couldn't identify an object in the sky, these are pilots who were sent on missions to intercept unknown craft only to have them perform impossible maneuvars etc. that is just an example, stop being such a close-minded nitwit and actually look it up.
My point boils down to this: There is definitely something to be gained in scientifically and skeptically investigating the legitimately unexplained, well documented, UFO cases.
P.S. Learn to use proper punctuation and complete sentences. It helps to remove that tinge of rabid- internet-rager that your post is steaming with.
On August 31 2011 02:05 Bibdy wrote: Apparently that's just a blemish/scratch on the window as the guy with the camera pans by. But, that's what they want you to think.
If it made some kind of irregular movement I could understand the "whoah its a UFO" reaction, though I likely wouldn't subscribe to it myself. He wants to believe it is a UFO so he throws away the logical explanation that is 100000000 times more likely. That last video is about the least compelling "sighting" I've ever seen.
On August 31 2011 02:36 p4NDemik wrote: If it made some kind of irregular movement I could understand the "whoah its a UFO" reaction, though I likely wouldn't subscribe to it myself. He wants to believe it is a UFO so he throws away the logical explanation that is 100000000 times more likely. That last video is about the least compelling "sighting" I've ever seen.
I don't even know how to respond to UFO sightings anymore. I mean, some of the evidence is pretty compelling, but I haven't seen anything first hand so I don't really know who to trust.
On August 31 2011 02:36 p4NDemik wrote: If it made some kind of irregular movement I could understand the "whoah its a UFO" reaction, though I likely wouldn't subscribe to it myself. He wants to believe it is a UFO so he throws away the logical explanation that is 100000000 times more likely. That last video is about the least compelling "sighting" I've ever seen.
Well UFO just means unidentified flying object, so hell yeah it's a UFO. If I pump my granny full of helium, she's a UFO.
I've seen too many fake videos of space aliens at this point now though to even believe in the slightest that they exist anywhere near our planet unless someone catches one from the air right infront of me, and then performs a disectomy while not moving it out of my sight. Even then I'd probably think it's fake, come to think of it.
Either way I don't see why it's so exciting. Even if the skies are fucking swamped by different kinds of space snails I don't feel the whole excitement part... I just don't care.
All of these light phenomena always end up explained in the end. Think about it, people have had these sighting for a long time yet so far no alians have actually made contact with us, a bit strange isn't it? So far there is 0 evidence of any alian civilization visiting the earth beyond weird light phenomena that we can't explain, atm. 2000 years ago most of the natural world seemed magical to us, now we know better through science and these light phenomena will no doubt be explained in due time as well.
On August 31 2011 02:21 p4NDemik wrote: There is like 5,000+ metric tonnes of space debris orbiting earth and the guy's first thought is it is a UFO?
It is a UFO. There is literally no question about it. UFO=Unidentified Flying Object. Until it is identified, that is all it is. To think that it is aliens or something on the other hand is not, in my opinion, the best guess.
On September 01 2011 03:49 ProxyKnoxy wrote: Was there UFO sightings before cameras existed? Probably not.
How do we know they would look like saucers anyway?
Indeed the saucers bit always got me. Of all the aerodynamic shapes, Aliens picked saucers? If they're advanced enough to be able to travel galaxys surely they're intelligent enough to come up with a more aerodynamic shape than a saucer, especially when traversing Earth's atmosphere.
On September 01 2011 03:49 ProxyKnoxy wrote: Was there UFO sightings before cameras existed? Probably not.
How do we know they would look like saucers anyway?
Indeed the saucers bit always got me. Of all the aerodynamic shapes, Aliens picked saucers? If they're advanced enough to be able to travel galaxys surely they're intelligent enough to come up with a more aerodynamic shape than a saucer, especially when traversing Earth's atmosphere.
A saucer is aerodynamic...
Whoever said something about a scratch or blemish on the window, you are wrong. If there is a blemish on the window, the shuttle wouldn't be able to reenter Earth's atmosphere.
Well some of this makes me laugh especially the phone call. I feel like that was just a show put on for the audience just to build more attention for their station.
On September 01 2011 03:49 ProxyKnoxy wrote: Was there UFO sightings before cameras existed? Probably not.
How do we know they would look like saucers anyway?
surprise to you, there was
In ancient China history, there is a special department that specialise on looking at the stars to predict the future, basically serves as fortune teller for the King. There had been records of "Stars" that were so bright that it lit up the people's face who were observing them. Also some were "flying back and forth" with "sound like thunder"
Probably one of the most well-known one of all, one very famous chinese poet, 苏东波, had a poem about a strange sighting during his travel. in basic translation, it is "midnight, moon is down, the river appears to have a fire, it was bright and flew past mountain, birds are all frightened." "not ghost, not human, what is it?"
But the largest viewing of UFO is one that had hundreds of people viewing, a red, slow flying egg shaped thing flying past the city for a while.
There are others that even one King himself viewed some UFO and this one had a good description of the shape. "The night, the sky has bright as it is covered by a umbrella (umbrella that are used to cover the chinese traditional transport, shapes like the roman chariot but driven by human). Sound as loud as thunder, shakes the city (or part of city? not too sure about this) the shape is like an umbrella, from a horizontalview point, the top is sharp and bottom is flat."
*I can post the chinese lines but they are quite difficult because not only where they in simplified chinese, they were also in traditional chinese grammar...which is all very weird, poem like style language
On September 01 2011 03:49 ProxyKnoxy wrote: Was there UFO sightings before cameras existed? Probably not.
How do we know they would look like saucers anyway?
Indeed the saucers bit always got me. Of all the aerodynamic shapes, Aliens picked saucers? If they're advanced enough to be able to travel galaxys surely they're intelligent enough to come up with a more aerodynamic shape than a saucer, especially when traversing Earth's atmosphere.
A saucer is aerodynamic...
Whoever said something about a scratch or blemish on the window, you are wrong. If there is a blemish on the window, the shuttle wouldn't be able to reenter Earth's atmosphere.
So why haven't we got Saucer shaped Aircraft?
Of course a saucer is aerodynamic but I was saying surely a being of higher intelligence would find something more aerodynamic than a saucer to shape their spaceships on.
Why don't scientists take pictures of these "aliens" with their super high powered telescopes?
I'm not saying they don't exist, but if we can know those beams of light at a certain part of the year are meteors, why can't we tell that it's a frigging space ship over our heads?
While I don't believe it's an alien craft, it sure is a lot better than some of the "ufo sighting" videos you see. If it was really a alien flying around I don't think he would give the ISS a fly by show, nor would the video be released. Theres so much trash in our orbit it could be countless things. Actually space debris is a huge problem because of the sheer amount of the shit floating in orbit.
There are tons of amateur and professional astronomers monitoring the sky all the time, all of them itching to discover something new. If evidence for aliens on planet earth would be as widespread as some people apparently like to believe there is no way this could have been kept a secret.
If you're too open-minded your brain will fall out.
Seriously though, the critical mind is the most open-minded of all. It accepts nothing unless proven, and therefor remains open to all possibilities. The closed mind will only accept the preferred explanation (ghosts, aliens, Gawd etc). To assume a UFO is alien in origin is spectacularly closed-minded, since there are so many more plausible explanations (weather/natural phenomenon, man-made, hoax, hallucinations etc). Assuming the least likely scenario to be true is lunacy.
On April 15 2011 06:13 gogogadgetflow wrote: Haha. Man I miss the days when I had imagination. The world must feel so full of possibility. Unfortunately my mind is restricted by reason nowadays.
Cool vid.
You speak, as though from experience, of otherworldly things of which you and I have no comprehension whatsoever. The "World" must feel so full of possibility? We're talking about our universe, and the cosmos as a whole here.
And, in my personal opinion it is unREASONable to assume that we have all the facts necessary to lean back in our chairs and simply say, "Meh... Why even dare to imagine?" Your post saddens me sir. It is never too late to expand the mind.
[QUOTE]On September 01 2011 04:44 Denzil wrote: [QUOTE]On September 01 2011 04:06 GreEny K wrote: [QUOTE]On September 01 2011 04:01 Denzil wrote: [QUOTE]On September 01 2011 03:49 ProxyKnoxy wrote: Was there UFO sightings before cameras existed? Probably not.
How do we know they would look like saucers anyway? [/QUOTE]
Indeed the saucers bit always got me. Of all the aerodynamic shapes, Aliens picked saucers? If they're advanced enough to be able to travel galaxys surely they're intelligent enough to come up with a more aerodynamic shape than a saucer, especially when traversing Earth's atmosphere.[/QUOTE]
A saucer is aerodynamic...
Whoever said something about a scratch or blemish on the window, you are wrong. If there is a blemish on the window, the shuttle wouldn't be able to reenter Earth's atmosphere.[/QUOTE]
So why haven't we got Saucer shaped Aircraft?
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How can you say that 'we' don't ? How come 'you' haven't seen 'Saucer shaped Aircraft' would be the better question....
Saying there are no aliens is foolish. in the infinite reaches of space there is bounds to be some kind of life besides us. However, thinking all these things in our sky are aliens is a bit absurd. If there is life out there it probably has better things to do then waste its time with us. If anything they'll just send an observer to check us out (those bitches are cloaked so we'll never know)
Awh my thread got bumped <3 unfortunately to a really stupid youtube video.
surprise to you, there was
In ancient China history, there is a special department that specialise on looking at the stars to predict the future, basically serves as fortune teller for the King. There had been records of "Stars" that were so bright that it lit up the people's face who were observing them. Also some were "flying back and forth" with "sound like thunder"
Probably one of the most well-known one of all, one very famous chinese poet, 苏东波, had a poem about a strange sighting during his travel. in basic translation, it is "midnight, moon is down, the river appears to have a fire, it was bright and flew past mountain, birds are all frightened." "not ghost, not human, what is it?"
But the largest viewing of UFO is one that had hundreds of people viewing, a red, slow flying egg shaped thing flying past the city for a while.
There are others that even one King himself viewed some UFO and this one had a good description of the shape. "The night, the sky has bright as it is covered by a umbrella (umbrella that are used to cover the chinese traditional transport, shapes like the roman chariot but driven by human). Sound as loud as thunder, shakes the city (or part of city? not too sure about this) the shape is like an umbrella, from a horizontalview point, the top is sharp and bottom is flat."
*I can post the chinese lines but they are quite difficult because not only where they in simplified chinese, they were also in traditional chinese grammar...which is all very weird, poem like style language
Really intertesting. If this is an accurate translation and it's true, it's pretty insane.
It can't be real aliens. Everyone knows that aliens don't exist. And if they did, then nobody would have any idea that they exist. The biggest fish in the river only gets that way by never being caught. And if you don't bring a raven (the unit) with you on your fishing expeditions, you're screwed. So, aliens don't exist. *Glances at Hybrid storage tank in underground cavern*. Yep, aliens don't exist. Never have been confirmed, never will.
*Thinks to self "And when they are proven, I will be the master of everything, bwahahaha!"*
Ok Guys, Here is it, Aliens are real, now lets start with basic thoughts, the stars. Just about every little special of light is a whole other solar system right? ok now, that is a whole new set of planets and another sun. Now how is it hard to believe that no a single other planet out there doesn't have life growing on it? we are just now venturing off in to other solar systems with pictures, but yet we can even land a man on the moon. Now that is said, if these aliens are able to reach out planet, and go back to theirs, they must have way better technology than us. So yes its the typical, Intelligent alien race. But how do they look like? Well i'm sure most of you don't know that PROTEIN (one of our most dependent substances) is not found on any other planet with in our galaxy. And our Galaxy is the milky way, which is made up of millions of suns/stars as we call them. Now, beyond that is our universe, which is made up of Millions of galaxies, Now how many Planets is that? Ok so now that we have established that, lest talk about the "black holes" as seen on the video. how do they form? Ready? Ok so aliens would of course have to be able to travel at amazing speeds to reach another planet/solar system/galaxy without dying of old age right? The same problem we have. Well, now that we know that travel fast, what do u think happens when they just shoot off in to the sky? When they ''go into war speed" it of course will pull the light with them, as in the movies right haha, well when this happens you see a bright light, and once it starts pulling the light into warp speed, with the aliens, i does the swirl effect, cause of basic physics. Flush your toilet and watch, the same thing will happen. so obviously the aliens, come here, and investigate us, cause of course, not every planet out there has life. With the same reason as us, if we could get to another planet, and found life, what would you do?
So aliens travel to our planet and investigate, and leave. That is what we are experiencing. if you can prove this then try, I'm up for open discussion and ready to hear what any one has to say.
On September 01 2011 07:51 Gigaslaughter wrote: Ok Guys, Here is it, Aliens are real, now lets start with basic thoughts, the stars. Just about every little special of light is a whole other solar system right? ok now, that is a whole new set of planets and another sun. Now how is it hard to believe that no a single other planet out there doesn't have life growing on it? we are just now venturing off in to other solar systems with pictures, but yet we can even land a man on the moon. Now that is said, if these aliens are able to reach out planet, and go back to theirs, they must have way better technology than us. So yes its the typical, Intelligent alien race. But how do they look like? Well i'm sure most of you don't know that PROTEIN (one of our most dependent substances) is not found on any other planet with in our galaxy. And our Galaxy is the milky way, which is made up of millions of suns/stars as we call them. Now, beyond that is our universe, which is made up of Millions of galaxies, Now how many Planets is that? Ok so now that we have established that, lest talk about the "black holes" as seen on the video. how do they form? Ready? Ok so aliens would of course have to be able to travel at amazing speeds to reach another planet/solar system/galaxy without dying of old age right? The same problem we have. Well, now that we know that travel fast, what do u think happens when they just shoot off in to the sky? When they ''go into war speed" it of course will pull the light with them, as in the movies right haha, well when this happens you see a bright light, and once it starts pulling the light into warp speed, with the aliens, i does the swirl effect, cause of basic physics. Flush your toilet and watch, the same thing will happen. so obviously the aliens, come here, and investigate us, cause of course, not every planet out there has life. With the same reason as us, if we could get to another planet, and found life, what would you do?
So aliens travel to our planet and investigate, and leave. That is what we are experiencing. if you can prove this then try, I'm up for open discussion and ready to hear what any one has to say.
On April 15 2011 06:25 rel wrote: You're coming to the wrong website with this kind of stuff. Too many liberal atheist here to even consider hoping for some open-mindedness. If anything, I'll give you consolidation by saying I APPRECIATE the video, and yeah they are strange, but very awesome looking things.
If liberal atheists aren't open minded then who on this planet is?
It is typical of people who do not want you to be rational to ask you to "open your mind", and then accuse your of being close minded when you do not accept their baseless and childish beliefs. If being "open minded" means jumping on board with every conspiracy theory, every end-of-the-world prediction, and every nonsensical religious idea, then you can keep your open-mindedness. I'll keep my sanity.
With the clear caption that your shitty video forgot to mention: "An overview image shows a scratch/scuff mark on Base Block window 1"
Also a lot were pretty obvious(at least to a photographer) dust spots on old scans and plain old lens flare effects.
And it's pretty damning evidence that you can't get these images without having the captions/data on the same page. Meaning the video was put together as deliberate misinformation, not as evidence or a resource.
HeavenS linked to a bunch of youtube videos purportedly showing astronauts reporting on having seen UFOs, but the very first one ended with Buzz Aldrin saying it was no UFO they had seen, just a piece of the rocket he left earth with himself, meaning HeavenS probably not even seen the videos he "recommended" himself, so no reason to waste any more time on them I guess.
A few interesting cases with only eye-witness reports and no imagery, but I'm finding it a tad difficult to believe anything that extraordinary with no real evidence.
So all in all, no good info thus far, but I would really like to see some, as a lot of people seem to be pretty adamant on the subject... Come on people, I'm waiting to be convinced. :D
TL;DR: No good info on aliens thus far. Show me some.
explain this please - so all debris is circular in shape? o right. anyways thought this was very interesting STS-75 Tether Incident
On Sunday, February 25, 1996, the Space Shuttle Columbia deployed an experimental tether into orbit. The experiment was called the Tethered Satellite System (TSS- 1R) and it's purpose of this was to attempt to generate electricity by utilizing Earth's magnetic field.
Unfortunately the tether broke so the experiment was not a success, although approximately five hours of data were recorded.
the thing is with the music in the background it sounds like it's trying to get you in the mood of believing. Those are interesting phenomenons shown I do not question that. But are they UFOs who knows. Too much hype about this kinda stuff. Don't get me wrong I believe there is more out there than we can imagine. But is the world coming to an end? Hmm... it's been here forever.
On September 01 2011 08:14 rebuffering wrote: explain this please - so all debris is circular in shape? o right. anyways thought this was very interesting STS-75 Tether Incident + Show Spoiler +
On Sunday, February 25, 1996, the Space Shuttle Columbia deployed an experimental tether into orbit. The experiment was called the Tethered Satellite System (TSS- 1R) and it's purpose of this was to attempt to generate electricity by utilizing Earth's magnetic field.
Cool stuff, but I don't understand what is supposed to show anything alien in this clip? There is a tether, and some debris. If the "shape" of the debris is what is supposed to be "alien", what I understand from what they are saying in the video is that it is an effect caused by the fact that they are filming in backlight. That the light refracts(?) much like the way you get star-shaped "bokeh" if you use star-shaped apertures.
I don't think we will ever meet aliens. They can probably contact us at any time but they believe we are some evil people that likely will treat them hostile. Therefore they stay away and uses the word human as an insult.
On September 01 2011 09:05 Dark supplydepo wrote: I don't think we will ever meet aliens. They can probably contact us at any time but they believe we are some evil people that likely will treat them hostile. Therefore they stay away and uses the word human as an insult.
So its not happening
Writing fictional stories in my head based on nothing and then applying them to my real-life belief system is something I try to avoid.
No one is going to take "ufo sightings" seriously after all those years of bullshit. I doubt it'll take anything less than an alien ship landing and aliens marching out of it to convince people.
On September 01 2011 17:02 Sotamursu wrote: It's like I'm actually living in the 90s again.
No one is going to take "ufo sightings" seriously after all those years of bullshit. I doubt it'll take anything less than an alien ship landing and aliens marching out of it to convince people.
I thought the US has released some part of the files about these aliens and UFO records a few years ago along with some EU countries? pretty sure then it sparked quite a large number of people's interest.
No joke, but because I have heard so many cases of these "unnatural" things happening (especially in Thailand where there are so many ghost stories etc), UFO and ET are not so unbelievable anymore.
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