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Billyssjssfj
Profile Joined April 2011
104 Posts
April 17 2011 08:32 GMT
#321
Are you guys familiar with predictive programming?
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Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States972 Posts
April 17 2011 08:43 GMT
#322
On April 16 2011 20:11 Rumpleforeskin wrote:
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On April 16 2011 19:44 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:
On April 16 2011 19:06 Rumpleforeskin wrote:
On April 16 2011 19:00 EternaL_9 wrote:
On April 16 2011 15:55 Befree wrote:
The amount of conditions (for this UFO scenario to occur) that would have to be met would create a probability of this happening so extremely, almost infinitely low that you may as well consider it a 0% chance of happening.

Examples of these conditions: Chance of life developing on a planet, chance of the life developing intelligence on this planet, chance of this intelligent life developing interstellar travel before destroying itself, chance of these aliens finding/deciding to travel to Earth, chance of such aliens at a such an extreme level of technology sending ships to physically hover over Earth to observe it, chance that these spacecrafts would make themselves visible, etc etc

Imagine you took a bunch of scrap metal and random things you found on the street, walked to the top of a tall building and threw them off. Imagine as it fell and hit the ground bouncing around/colliding with itself, and the random bouncing of this junk formed a car. THIS is a more realistic scenario than aliens visiting Earth in the way described by UFO enthusiasts.

I don't know if even that stresses how incredibly miniscule the probability is.

I don't know what causes some of these things, but pointing to UFO's is just ridiculous.



Earth is fairly young in terms of the WHOLE universe.

Just think if one of the FIRST planets with the core elements to create life, billions and billions of years before earth, and if that life grew to be intelligent (very probable), it would be SO far in the past their Planet's history / evolution would be in the year.. 4000.. something ridiculous in comparison to our world's history. By that time they would have unbelievable technology, spread across multiple planets.. they will have evolved perhaps using 100% of their brain's capacity.

With that much TIME, they could EASILY prevail sooo far in science and easily transverse the whole universe, and yes, discovery our planet.

I KNOW when humans (if we live that long) get the technology to do this (light speed, bending space to go across the universe), we WILL look for other life.

Just have to put yourself in their shoes, I think its TOTALLY reasonable to think that another life species knows about our human existence.


Dude, we, nor any other civilsation will ever travel across the galaxy. Look at my previous post, interstellar travel is simply never going to happen. Please learn some basic physics.


Lol at your fail post. Just because mankind havent made it(or can imagine it) doesnt mean any other species could'nt. Really ignorant post on your part.

And yeah. I think basicly any above 15 years old knows the basic's of physics as well as einsteins cant move faster then light THEORY. But i mean in 1 million years, where would humanity be? if there are aliens out (around us) im guessing their a million years ahead in technology. Or better yet. They dont need technology because of their evolution. Stop beeing so blind and open your mind 1% more and you are going to realize that you should delete the post i quoted or atleast edit it. and stop beeing ignorant. If you dont belive it(or have the capacity to,) dont post ignorant posts in threads you dont belong. And btw interstellar travel is already possible if we pass through black holes. Maybe the aliens have allready mapped out the holes? ^^,
EDIT: forgot. As a math major. You do realise that its 100% 1000's of other alien races out there.
And btw Physics Master degree here.


I realise that there are (almost certainly) plenty of aliens out there, I'm not denying that. However you are either a liar or a fool when you say you have a physics master degree. You emphasise the word 'theory' showing that you don't understand what the word means in science. A theory isn't a 'best guess' about what we think is going on, it's a comprehensive explanation which may or may not be correct. Gravity is a THEORY, so are atoms, the microbe theory of disease, and electricity. The word theory has no bearing on how accepted the idea is.

Also, "Pass through black holes"? You clearly have no clue what black holes are. They aren't special gateways to other dimensions, they aren't portals and you sure as hell can't go into one without dying when (or rather, before) you hit the singularity. They're simply areas which light can't escape if it enters. Go look up black holes on wikipedia before you post. As I said in my first post (not quoted here, look back one page), simple physics shows that interstellar travel is difficult to the point of impossibility.

Simply saying "Just because we can't imagine it doesn't mean that it can't happen" is a cop out. We may not understand alot about our universe, but this doesn't mean we're ignorant. All our physics, from Newton's gravity to General Relativity to Quantum Mechanics, has no place for interstellar travel.

Your post also said that perhaps their evolution helped them travel between stars. Unless you're suggesting that they are telepathic (in which case I suggest you send yourself to the loony bin Mr Physics Masters) I fail to see how any evolutionary process can prepare them for interstellar travel.

TL;DR, You're a liar when you say you have a Physics Masters, and you don't understand the relevant science.


TLDR even if you don't have a masters in physics, you can still understand a simple point..

humanity is REALLY young in the scheme of things. If we, as a human race, live for a VERY.. VERY long time we will have the technology to travel across universes. I know from even the fucking science channel that scientists are already picking their brains at the subject, bending space and time ETC. With soo much TIME, with the help of evolution (learning to use larger %s of our brain, imagine if every scientist in 2000 years had a greater IQ than Einstein) we will figure these matters out.

Now apply this to life on another planet, with that planet being billions and billions of years younger than Earth and having life fully developed / evolution-ized.. Suddenly the idea that aliens know about us doesn't seem to far fetched.
KillaBeeSting
Profile Joined April 2011
United States10 Posts
April 17 2011 09:38 GMT
#323
The taiwain video looks like a haarp weather machine to me. Lol I could show the whole team liquid site some crazy shit. I have a friend on facebook who predicted the chile, new zealend, and japan earthquake all to the date and hour. Apparently he lives in austalia and has friends who hacked the white house and have information on all the weather machines and man made tragedy's.
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Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
April 17 2011 10:01 GMT
#324
Beyond even the fact that the videos for these things are never nice and in HD with good close-ups, not to mention the usual graininess, it just seems awfully strange that a race so advanced that they could get here from probably minimum halfway across the galaxy would do things like this. Why fly a ship with flashy lights right into metropolitan areas, then never seek to directly communicate?

I suppose it's possible that their supercharged brains have come up with some plan where they inure us to sightings before actually landing and trying to make contact, however, it just seems unlikely. What reason would they have to make contact except to enlighten us, use us for their own entertainment, or just study us; I'm sure we are pretty boring to such an advanced race.

On April 17 2011 18:38 KillaBeeSting wrote:
The taiwain video looks like a haarp weather machine to me. Lol I could show the whole team liquid site some crazy shit. I have a friend on facebook who predicted the chile, new zealend, and japan earthquake all to the date and hour. Apparently he lives in austalia and has friends who hacked the white house and have information on all the weather machines and man made tragedy's.

Oh you know that guy too?
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rubio91
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy111 Posts
April 17 2011 10:17 GMT
#325
So, you're evaluation of the humanities current understanding of the universe, quantum physics, subatomic particles, and relativity is that we have "left a couple of things undiscovered"? I think that is a gross overestimation of what we know.

This is what you think, but you can't proof it as heishe can't either. However, restricting the field in physics and astrophysics, the vasts majority of the work is done, with the exception of quantum gravity. Yes there are lots of other field of knowledge that need a lot of research (for example neuroscience) but they are not connected with space travel.

It is funny that you say that because you seem to have incredible faith in physics.

This is not faith, believing in some sort of FTL travel to be discovered in future is faith.

Do you know the story about how Planck chose to go into Physics even when everyone agreed everything there was to be discovered was already discovered?

I don't know, because it is not true. When Plank "went" into physics there were macroscopic phenomena still unexplained. Google "black body"

humanity is REALLY young in the scheme of things. If we, as a human race, live for a VERY.. VERY long time we will have the technology to travel across universes. I know from even the fucking science channel that scientists are already picking their brains at the subject, bending space and time ETC. With soo much TIME, with the help of evolution (learning to use larger %s of our brain, imagine if every scientist in 2000 years had a greater IQ than Einstein) we will figure these matters out.

with "very long time" do you mean after or before our sun explodes?
also, the story that we only use a % of our brain is fake. We use all of it, just certain parts are dedicated to certain works.

Why fly a ship with flashy lights right into metropolitan areas, then never seek to directly communicate?

You know: "the ways of aliens are numberless"
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Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
April 17 2011 10:25 GMT
#326
On April 17 2011 09:34 Ballistixz wrote:do you know what a UFO is?

UFO-unidentified flying object.

a UFO can be anything untill it is identified. a UFO can be a bird. but untill we can confirm that it is infact a bird it is considered a UFO. once we have identified it as a bird then its title will be turned from UFO to bird.
In case you didn't notice, we are talking about the assumptions that these UFO's are aliens here. So when I say 'UFO' I mean 'a supposed alien'.

this is what happens when you dont have a open mind like yourself. you automatically classify a "UFO" as a alien from outer space from a unknown galaxy when in reality a UFO is literally just what it means, a UNIDENTIFIED flying object.
??? That's the exact opposite of the stance I take on this subject.

so since it is unidentified a UFO can be anything until it is identified. you and people ike you need to stop tossing that term around so incorrectly. a UFO does not automatically mean "alien".

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ROFL! Nowhere did I say the government mutilates cows or blows up missilies above cities. It's all about possibility. What's more likely, an insane person cutting up some cows or motherfucking aliens showing dem cows whos boss? What's more likely, some weird weather phenomenom or badass aliens joyriding through our skies? Seriously...


again you are uninformed. if it was a "wierd weather phenomenon" then it would have been IDENTIFIED as such. if it has not been identified then it can literally be anything.

whether or not it is "more likely" is COMPLETELY irrelevant because it can literally be ANYTHING including but NOT limited to aliens.
No, what's more likely is completely relevant. Someone posted an excellent analogy a few pages back:

Right now, I don't know how much money is in my wallet. It could be anything, $100, $5, $1. Knowing that I am a starving college student, certain things are more likely than others. I can't entirely eliminate the possibility that I have $100 in my wallet, or $99, or $98, and so on. (I know I have no coins). So essentially, there are 101 possible amounts of money for me to have, every discrete integer from $0 to $100 inclusive. Just because I have no evidence, does NOT at all mean that there is a 1% chance of $1, 1% for $2, and 1% for $100. It is FAR more likely that I have a small amount of cash. Probably something like 50% $0, 49% $1, and a fraction of a percent for other outcomes. There are other factors that come into probability even if you dont know what they are.

Similarly, there is a light in the sky. It could certainly be aliens, I concede that fact. It could also have 99 possible terrestrial explanations. Just because its possible that its aliens ($100) does not make it likely.

Not knowing how much money I have, I would not act as if I had $100 to spend. Similarly, not knowing what the light in the sky was, I will not act as if its aliens.


DISCLAIMER: I actually want to believe aliens are visiting Earth with superadvanced technology. However, the possibility of it is just abyssmal. Therefore I will not go like "OOOOH ALIENS!1!!1111!!" everytime someone posts some crappy low quality supposed 'UFO' sighting. As much as I want to believe, I will stay sceptical of the subject until I am presented with credible evidence. I also acknowledge there is a chance some of these sightings are really aliens, but I also believe that chance is neligible.
Dagobert
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands1858 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 10:43:43
April 17 2011 10:42 GMT
#327
Having a decent understanding of how the brain works helps to put people's claims in perspective: we are more or less programmed to look for patterns in our environment, sometimes on the grounds of spurious correlations, sometimes even without. Add people's tendency to think of themselves as having a superior understanding of what's real and what isn't, finish with the limitations of human perception and generously imperfect memory... and you end up with the probability that some guy's explanation of any event is actually correct. It's not that large.
Evidence is pivotal. Considering how stupid people are, is it really surprising that they sometimes see things they can't explain? I'm not surprised at all. I'm surprised other people give a shit. If these folks weren't littering the streets I wouldn't mind, but sadly they tend to be the chatty type.
Goodness, look, another tinfoil hat.
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
April 17 2011 11:30 GMT
#328
On April 17 2011 17:43 EternaL_9 wrote:
I know from even the fucking science channel that scientists are already picking their brains at the subject, bending space and time ETC. With soo much TIME, with the help of evolution (learning to use larger %s of our brain, imagine if every scientist in 2000 years had a greater IQ than Einstein) we will figure these matters out.
Wow this guy is hilarious :D Did you also see that one on animal planet where scientists had proof that sirens actually exist but the government was trying to hide the evidence? What about that other one on NatGeo where this scientist had proof atlantis existed and was inhabited by aliens?

So here's a theory: aliens came to earth and made a home at atlantis, but when the tsunami came they had to flee and live as sirens. Now they are allied with the ghosts from destination truth (scifi channel) and use them to send us signals in the sky. This way they want to teach us how to use a larger % of our brain so we learn how to rebuild their siren spaceship at atlantis. Just so they can go back home (see steven spielberg's et).

Well you can't prove that wrong can you!! Looks like science to me! We should obviously be looking for sirens in deep sea to enlighten us :D
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Cyba
Profile Joined June 2010
Romania221 Posts
April 17 2011 11:34 GMT
#329
I don't know, because it is not true. When Plank "went" into physics there were macroscopic phenomena still unexplained. Google "black body"


Wrong, there was still plenty left, they just thought it was basicly nothing just like some of you think of what we have yet to find out. Also it's a true story you could learn from.
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GiantEnemyCrab
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada503 Posts
April 17 2011 11:45 GMT
#330
i will never believe in aliens until we can physically get our hands on one of em
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rubio91
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy111 Posts
April 17 2011 11:50 GMT
#331
Wrong, there was still plenty left, they just thought it was basicly nothing just like some of you think of what we have yet to find out. Also it's a true story you could learn from.

What?
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Cyba
Profile Joined June 2010
Romania221 Posts
April 17 2011 12:30 GMT
#332
Sigh mister 91, find the anecdote maybe you'll be able to pull out the knowledge from it.

Dismissing something without knowing what i actually ment is a telltale sign of ignorance.

Oh and "went" means when he chose to commit to the field of Physics. (he showed great promiss of a Mathematician aswell).

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rubio91
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy111 Posts
April 17 2011 12:40 GMT
#333
I know what "went" means. I'm just saying that, while many physicists thought that the apex of scientific knowledge was reached with maxwell equations, there were still a lot of phenomena that couldn't be explained, like the radiation of the black body. That situation cannot be applied now.
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whiteLotus
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
1833 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 15:39:48
April 17 2011 15:38 GMT
#334
i suggest you guys watching this video
then tell me what you think this dude is real, he has facts, he explain how "aliens" travel and he has worked there.
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h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
April 17 2011 15:50 GMT
#335


That's all I would have to say, Neil says it 1000 times better than I could.
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
April 17 2011 16:07 GMT
#336
On April 18 2011 00:50 h3r1n6 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfAzaDyae-k

That's all I would have to say, Neil says it 1000 times better than I could.


What Neil Tyson fails to realize is that aliens always paralyze their subjects to keep them under control, so snatching something off a shelf would be impossible.
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rubio91
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy111 Posts
April 17 2011 16:16 GMT
#337
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On April 18 2011 00:38 whiteLotus wrote:
i suggest you guys watching this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJolFbj8nc4 then tell me what you think this dude is real, he has facts, he explain how "aliens" travel and he has worked there.


This made me laugh. Gravity A and gravity B. "amplifying gravity". He clearly doesn't know what is he talking about. He is mistaking a nuclear force with a gravitational force.
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h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 16:21:42
April 17 2011 16:21 GMT
#338
On April 18 2011 01:07 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2011 00:50 h3r1n6 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfAzaDyae-k

That's all I would have to say, Neil says it 1000 times better than I could.


What Neil Tyson fails to realize is that aliens always paralyze their subjects to keep them under control, so snatching something off a shelf would be impossible.


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Way to get the point. Let me put it this way: Occams razor. Or: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
whiteLotus
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
1833 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 16:35:21
April 17 2011 16:31 GMT
#339
On April 18 2011 01:16 rubio91 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 18 2011 00:38 whiteLotus wrote:
i suggest you guys watching this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJolFbj8nc4 then tell me what you think this dude is real, he has facts, he explain how "aliens" travel and he has worked there.


This made me laugh. Gravity A and gravity B. "amplifying gravity". He clearly doesn't know what is he talking about. He is mistaking a nuclear force with a gravitational force.


yeah guy who worked at area 51 doesnt know what is he talking about. ya ok.
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KillaBeeSting
Profile Joined April 2011
United States10 Posts
April 17 2011 16:44 GMT
#340
On April 17 2011 19:01 Fontong wrote:
Beyond even the fact that the videos for these things are never nice and in HD with good close-ups, not to mention the usual graininess, it just seems awfully strange that a race so advanced that they could get here from probably minimum halfway across the galaxy would do things like this. Why fly a ship with flashy lights right into metropolitan areas, then never seek to directly communicate?

I suppose it's possible that their supercharged brains have come up with some plan where they inure us to sightings before actually landing and trying to make contact, however, it just seems unlikely. What reason would they have to make contact except to enlighten us, use us for their own entertainment, or just study us; I'm sure we are pretty boring to such an advanced race.

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On April 17 2011 18:38 KillaBeeSting wrote:
The taiwain video looks like a haarp weather machine to me. Lol I could show the whole team liquid site some crazy shit. I have a friend on facebook who predicted the chile, new zealend, and japan earthquake all to the date and hour. Apparently he lives in austalia and has friends who hacked the white house and have information on all the weather machines and man made tragedy's.

Oh you know that guy too?


That mitchel coombes kid?
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