On May 03 2011 13:28 Kagin wrote: The popular vote did not lean to the left. The liberals are not anywhere near as left as the NDP, it makes zero sense to lump their vote in with the new democrats. The country voted conservative and has a conservative government.
They're more similar than the PC and Canadian alliance were rofl.
Yes, and many PC voters and members bailed to the Liberals. I think if the NDP and liberals were to merge many LIberal voters would bail to the Conservatives.
This is because the Liberals aren't on the left like everyone seems to say.
Right: PC Middle: Libs Left: NDP
The liberals may be closer to the left than to the right, but, If they merged with the NDP and a liberal voters choice was NDP or PC, not all would vote NDP. maybe 60/40, maybe 70/30, but not all.
Having a united left party would also help with the image though. It would give a stronger image to the party, and that might draw votes. It's all speculation though. I think we should rather look for what the next few years will bring instead of what could have been.
On May 03 2011 13:24 Kralic wrote: What ever the West shall reap the rewards of this I guess, that must make the East fairly upset because "we lucked out". Too bad we didn't luck out in population so we can get the majority of the seats to.
How would the split vote make the difference? I am still seeing the majority of the winners in the east having more than 50% of the votes of the other parties representatives. Even if they all voted for one party not Conservative they would have lost.
And furthermore, how do you know the people who voted Liberal or NDP would have voted for one of those two parties instead of Conservatives?
This doesnt make sense at all. How does 'the west' reap any rewards at all?
Conservatives have helped out the West in many more ways than the Liberals ever had, just live out here when the Liberals were/are in power and you will see the truth of how we get treated.
I've lived in Alberta for over 20 years. What are you talking about. Give an example
For those who say that the Conservatives don't deserve any of their governments because 'the majority of the population voted against Harper' or arguments of that sort, how about a history lesson?
Of course, these are basically all minority government-resulting elections. Majority governments generally get somewhere between 40-50% of the vote, with *very* few getting over 50%. Long story short, that argument smells like and is indeed BS. PS: no 2-party system plz, just look at the USA for an example of why not.
On May 03 2011 13:24 Kralic wrote: What ever the West shall reap the rewards of this I guess, that must make the East fairly upset because "we lucked out". Too bad we didn't luck out in population so we can get the majority of the seats to.
How would the split vote make the difference? I am still seeing the majority of the winners in the east having more than 50% of the votes of the other parties representatives. Even if they all voted for one party not Conservative they would have lost.
And furthermore, how do you know the people who voted Liberal or NDP would have voted for one of those two parties instead of Conservatives?
This doesnt make sense at all. How does 'the west' reap any rewards at all?
Conservatives have helped out the West in many more ways than the Liberals ever had, just live out here when the Liberals were/are in power and you will see the truth of how we get treated.
I've lived in Alberta for over 20 years. What are you talking about. Give an example
On May 03 2011 13:47 Taku wrote: For those who say that the Conservatives don't deserve any of their governments because 'the majority of the population voted against Harper' or arguments of that sort, how about a history lesson?
Of course, these are basically all minority government-resulting elections. Majority governments generally get somewhere between 40-50% of the vote, with *very* few getting over 50%. Long story short, that argument smells like and is indeed BS. PS: no 2-party system plz, just look at the USA for an example of why not.
I'm not talking about history, I'm talking about right now--
less than 40% voted for the conservatives, yet they received more than 50% of the votes-- yes, the system needs revision, but the fact remains that a majority of canadians disagree with conservative policies.
On May 03 2011 13:24 Kralic wrote: What ever the West shall reap the rewards of this I guess, that must make the East fairly upset because "we lucked out". Too bad we didn't luck out in population so we can get the majority of the seats to.
How would the split vote make the difference? I am still seeing the majority of the winners in the east having more than 50% of the votes of the other parties representatives. Even if they all voted for one party not Conservative they would have lost.
And furthermore, how do you know the people who voted Liberal or NDP would have voted for one of those two parties instead of Conservatives?
This doesnt make sense at all. How does 'the west' reap any rewards at all?
Conservatives have helped out the West in many more ways than the Liberals ever had, just live out here when the Liberals were/are in power and you will see the truth of how we get treated.
I've lived in Alberta for over 20 years. What are you talking about. Give an example
I expected it to be closer... good for NDP, they really deserved the boost. Hopefully Harper will do a better job now that he has a majority government.
On May 03 2011 13:24 Kralic wrote: What ever the West shall reap the rewards of this I guess, that must make the East fairly upset because "we lucked out". Too bad we didn't luck out in population so we can get the majority of the seats to.
How would the split vote make the difference? I am still seeing the majority of the winners in the east having more than 50% of the votes of the other parties representatives. Even if they all voted for one party not Conservative they would have lost.
And furthermore, how do you know the people who voted Liberal or NDP would have voted for one of those two parties instead of Conservatives?
This doesnt make sense at all. How does 'the west' reap any rewards at all?
Conservatives have helped out the West in many more ways than the Liberals ever had, just live out here when the Liberals were/are in power and you will see the truth of how we get treated.
I've lived in Alberta for over 20 years. What are you talking about. Give an example
On May 03 2011 13:28 Kagin wrote: The popular vote did not lean to the left. The liberals are not anywhere near as left as the NDP, it makes zero sense to lump their vote in with the new democrats. The country voted conservative and has a conservative government.
They're more similar than the PC and Canadian alliance were rofl.
Yes, and many PC voters and members bailed to the Liberals. I think if the NDP and liberals were to merge many LIberal voters would bail to the Conservatives.
This is because the Liberals aren't on the left like everyone seems to say.
Right: PC Middle: Libs Left: NDP
The liberals may be closer to the left than to the right, but, If they merged with the NDP and a liberal voters choice was NDP or PC, not all would vote NDP. maybe 60/40, maybe 70/30, but not all.
Having a united left party would also help with the image though. It would give a stronger image to the party, and that might draw votes. It's all speculation though. I think we should rather look for what the next few years will bring instead of what could have been.
Uniting the 2 parties together will create a US style system. And power would switch back and forth based on how voters are feeling toward the party in power.
I believe if the NDP and Liberals merged, it would be very close to 50/50 with the conservatives, not 60/40 as the numbers say, as I believe given a distinct choice between left and right, some would choose left, some would choose right. But with the 3rd option many choose the middle (liberals) instead of the NDP or teh PCs
On May 03 2011 13:24 Kralic wrote: What ever the West shall reap the rewards of this I guess, that must make the East fairly upset because "we lucked out". Too bad we didn't luck out in population so we can get the majority of the seats to.
How would the split vote make the difference? I am still seeing the majority of the winners in the east having more than 50% of the votes of the other parties representatives. Even if they all voted for one party not Conservative they would have lost.
And furthermore, how do you know the people who voted Liberal or NDP would have voted for one of those two parties instead of Conservatives?
This doesnt make sense at all. How does 'the west' reap any rewards at all?
Conservatives have helped out the West in many more ways than the Liberals ever had, just live out here when the Liberals were/are in power and you will see the truth of how we get treated.
I've lived in Alberta for over 20 years. What are you talking about. Give an example
Jesus christ, that was the point. Look at the results of the next election after they put the NEP in: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_1984 Just incase you don't feel like reading it, tl;dr liberals got wiped out, especially out west.
Also, I'm amused at all these leftist backers who are still in disbelief rambling 'we lost so the system must be broken'
On May 03 2011 13:24 Kralic wrote: What ever the West shall reap the rewards of this I guess, that must make the East fairly upset because "we lucked out". Too bad we didn't luck out in population so we can get the majority of the seats to.
How would the split vote make the difference? I am still seeing the majority of the winners in the east having more than 50% of the votes of the other parties representatives. Even if they all voted for one party not Conservative they would have lost.
And furthermore, how do you know the people who voted Liberal or NDP would have voted for one of those two parties instead of Conservatives?
This doesnt make sense at all. How does 'the west' reap any rewards at all?
Conservatives have helped out the West in many more ways than the Liberals ever had, just live out here when the Liberals were/are in power and you will see the truth of how we get treated.
I've lived in Alberta for over 20 years. What are you talking about. Give an example
Jesus christ, that was the point. Look at the results of the next election after they put the NEP in: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_1984 Just incase you don't feel like reading it, tl;dr liberals got wiped out, especially out west.
Also, I'm amused at all these leftist backers who are still in disbelief rambling 'we lost so the system must be broken'
On May 03 2011 13:24 Kralic wrote: What ever the West shall reap the rewards of this I guess, that must make the East fairly upset because "we lucked out". Too bad we didn't luck out in population so we can get the majority of the seats to.
How would the split vote make the difference? I am still seeing the majority of the winners in the east having more than 50% of the votes of the other parties representatives. Even if they all voted for one party not Conservative they would have lost.
And furthermore, how do you know the people who voted Liberal or NDP would have voted for one of those two parties instead of Conservatives?
This doesnt make sense at all. How does 'the west' reap any rewards at all?
Conservatives have helped out the West in many more ways than the Liberals ever had, just live out here when the Liberals were/are in power and you will see the truth of how we get treated.
I've lived in Alberta for over 20 years. What are you talking about. Give an example
Jesus christ, that was the point. Look at the results of the next election after they put the NEP in: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_1984 Just incase you don't feel like reading it, tl;dr liberals got wiped out, especially out west.
Also, I'm amused at all these leftist backers who are still in disbelief rambling 'we lost so the system must be broken'
No, the system is broken period. Its a separate issue.
On May 03 2011 13:24 Kralic wrote: What ever the West shall reap the rewards of this I guess, that must make the East fairly upset because "we lucked out". Too bad we didn't luck out in population so we can get the majority of the seats to.
How would the split vote make the difference? I am still seeing the majority of the winners in the east having more than 50% of the votes of the other parties representatives. Even if they all voted for one party not Conservative they would have lost.
And furthermore, how do you know the people who voted Liberal or NDP would have voted for one of those two parties instead of Conservatives?
This doesnt make sense at all. How does 'the west' reap any rewards at all?
Conservatives have helped out the West in many more ways than the Liberals ever had, just live out here when the Liberals were/are in power and you will see the truth of how we get treated.
I've lived in Alberta for over 20 years. What are you talking about. Give an example
On May 03 2011 13:24 Kralic wrote: What ever the West shall reap the rewards of this I guess, that must make the East fairly upset because "we lucked out". Too bad we didn't luck out in population so we can get the majority of the seats to.
How would the split vote make the difference? I am still seeing the majority of the winners in the east having more than 50% of the votes of the other parties representatives. Even if they all voted for one party not Conservative they would have lost.
And furthermore, how do you know the people who voted Liberal or NDP would have voted for one of those two parties instead of Conservatives?
This doesnt make sense at all. How does 'the west' reap any rewards at all?
Conservatives have helped out the West in many more ways than the Liberals ever had, just live out here when the Liberals were/are in power and you will see the truth of how we get treated.
I've lived in Alberta for over 20 years. What are you talking about. Give an example
Jesus christ, that was the point. Look at the results of the next election after they put the NEP in: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_1984 Just incase you don't feel like reading it, tl;dr liberals got wiped out, especially out west.
Also, I'm amused at all these leftist backers who are still in disbelief rambling 'we lost so the system must be broken'
Electoral imbalance!!
Awesome. Now we got balance whine in this thread - it is officially a political LR thread.
On May 03 2011 13:24 Kralic wrote: What ever the West shall reap the rewards of this I guess, that must make the East fairly upset because "we lucked out". Too bad we didn't luck out in population so we can get the majority of the seats to.
How would the split vote make the difference? I am still seeing the majority of the winners in the east having more than 50% of the votes of the other parties representatives. Even if they all voted for one party not Conservative they would have lost.
And furthermore, how do you know the people who voted Liberal or NDP would have voted for one of those two parties instead of Conservatives?
This doesnt make sense at all. How does 'the west' reap any rewards at all?
Conservatives have helped out the West in many more ways than the Liberals ever had, just live out here when the Liberals were/are in power and you will see the truth of how we get treated.
I've lived in Alberta for over 20 years. What are you talking about. Give an example
Jesus christ, that was the point. Look at the results of the next election after they put the NEP in: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_1984 Just incase you don't feel like reading it, tl;dr liberals got wiped out, especially out west.
Also, I'm amused at all these leftist backers who are still in disbelief rambling 'we lost so the system must be broken'
No, the system is broken period. Its a separate issue.
The system has been there for over a hundred years and is in place around the world, please tell us why it's broken rather than the fact that just maybe, the losers rightly lost.
What is strange is that even thought here in Québec people didn't vote for a separatist party, we are still in contradiction to the ''ROC'' which voted PC. Only 6 Pc wins in Québec. People are raging in here...
EPT
