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Brad`
Canada548 Posts
On May 03 2011 13:21 Kralic wrote: What? Even if every party joined Conservatives would be in power still. Majority rules. No they wouldnt because Ontario wouldnt have all its ridings won by the conservatives because of vote splitting between the liberals and NDP. Majority rules? Was that a joke? LOL? | ||
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adrenaLinG
Canada676 Posts
On May 03 2011 13:21 Kralic wrote: What? Even if every party joined Conservatives would be in power still. Majority rules. Conservatives have the majority by SEATS because of an outdated first-past-the-post system. The Canadian popular vote by and large is majority left-leaning. | ||
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Tdelamay
Canada548 Posts
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Chidium
Canada7 Posts
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
How would the split vote make the difference? I am still seeing the majority of the winners in the east having more than 50% of the votes of the other parties representatives. Even if they all voted for one party not Conservative they would have lost. And furthermore, how do you know the people who voted Liberal or NDP would have voted for one of those two parties instead of Conservatives? | ||
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SMD
Canada627 Posts
On May 03 2011 13:22 adrenaLinG wrote: Conservatives have the majority by SEATS because of an outdated first-past-the-post system. The Canadian popular vote by and large is majority left-leaning. If you combine the Liberals and NDP. Even if you have some sort of proportional represention ( Im not up to date, but does any other country use this method?) the conservatives would still ahve the most seats, just wouldnt have a majority - depending on the split between ridings/proportional vote. Chaning the Electoral system would mean a few things. etiher - rearrange a ton of ridings to eliminate some, and allow open seats for proportional seats. or Make the house of commons more than 308 elected MP's, which would cost even more taxpayer money. Its not as simple a solution as everyone thinks, not to mention they're would never be a majority government again. Not to mention as i said previosuly, traditionally, the liberals try to play themselves up as the "middle ground" p.s Just because somebody votes for the liberals does not mean they agree with the NDP, so to say a majority of canadians voted "for the left" is true, its a little misleading to me. | ||
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Deadly1
Canada16 Posts
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johnkub
74 Posts
On May 03 2011 13:16 PWN3R3D wrote: You should get banned from canada for this. Quebec has its own vision for politics and the ONLY reason they lost so bad is because of the forced elections. People were afraid of having to deal with a minority government again but the bloc is far from useless. Even though the bloc would never rule, it would still represent quebecs ideologies at the parliament and bring political equity. wait, so people didnt vote BQ because they didnt want another minority, so they overwhelmingly voted NDP so as to create another minority just with different seating allocations?? pretty flawed statement if thats what you were trying to say, they lost their seats because the people of quebec liked what jack layton said and not what the BQ stands for anymore | ||
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Kagin
Canada6 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
On May 03 2011 13:24 Kralic wrote: What ever the West shall reap the rewards of this I guess, that must make the East fairly upset because "we lucked out". Too bad we didn't luck out in population so we can get the majority of the seats to. How would the split vote make the difference? I am still seeing the majority of the winners in the east having more than 50% of the votes of the other parties representatives. Even if they all voted for one party not Conservative they would have lost. And furthermore, how do you know the people who voted Liberal or NDP would have voted for one of those two parties instead of Conservatives? This doesnt make sense at all. How does 'the west' reap any rewards at all? | ||
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Brad`
Canada548 Posts
On May 03 2011 13:28 Kagin wrote: The popular vote did not lean to the left. The liberals are not anywhere near as left as the NDP, it makes zero sense to lump their vote in with the new democrats. The country voted conservative and has a conservative government. They're more similar than the PC and Canadian alliance were rofl. Not going to be replying in this topic anymore. Questions like "how did vote splitting change anything?" and "How do you know people would have voted for a merged party" are far too stupid to even consider wasting time on. Especially from people that voted for the | ||
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Tdelamay
Canada548 Posts
On May 03 2011 13:28 johnkub wrote: wait, so people didnt vote BQ because they didnt want another minority, so they overwhelmingly voted NDP so as to create another minority just with different seating allocations?? pretty flawed statement if thats what you were trying to say, they lost their seats because the people of quebec liked what jack layton said and not what the BQ stands for anymore I think you're right. Quebec voted NDP because they have a certain new flare and they weren't as petty as the others. I really dislike the negative campaign of the Conservative and the Liberals. | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
On May 03 2011 13:28 Kagin wrote: The popular vote did not lean to the left. The liberals are not anywhere near as left as the NDP, it makes zero sense to lump their vote in with the new democrats. The country voted conservative and has a conservative government. this is disingenuous. just below 40% of the people voted conservative. Thats not a majority. 60% of canadians voted to the left. That is a majority. Conservatives got a majority of the seats though. | ||
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
On May 03 2011 13:32 caradoc wrote: This doesnt make sense at all. How does 'the west' reap any rewards at all? Conservatives have helped out the West in many more ways than the Liberals ever had, just live out here when the Liberals were/are in power and you will see the truth of how we get treated. | ||
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Toads
Canada1795 Posts
On May 03 2011 13:33 caradoc wrote: this is disingenuous. just below 40% of the people voted conservative. Thats not a majority. 60% of canadians voted to the left. That is a majority. Conservatives got a majority of the seats though. Your right but this how democracy ... lol o.O | ||
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Le BucheRON
Canada619 Posts
On May 03 2011 13:28 Kagin wrote: The popular vote did not lean to the left. The liberals are not anywhere near as left as the NDP, it makes zero sense to lump their vote in with the new democrats. The country voted conservative and has a conservative government. They're more similar than the PC and Canadian alliance were rofl. Yes, and many PC voters and members bailed to the Liberals. I think if the NDP and liberals were to merge many LIberal voters would bail to the Conservatives. | ||
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Kagin
Canada6 Posts
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HadesCP
Canada98 Posts
On May 03 2011 13:16 PWN3R3D wrote: You should get banned from canada for this. Quebec has its own vision for politics and the ONLY reason they lost so bad is because of the forced elections. People were afraid of having to deal with a minority government again but the bloc is far from useless. Even though the bloc would never rule, it would still represent quebecs ideologies at the parliament and bring political equity. Quebec does have its own vision and politics...clearly the NDP also represents them and so Quebeckers chose them. I think people were tired of the Bloc's rhetoric...and wanted a change. They didn't bring equity, they brought division. And Ironically they wanted to be "banned from Canada" | ||
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SMD
Canada627 Posts
On May 03 2011 13:38 Le BucheRON wrote: Yes, and many PC voters and members bailed to the Liberals. I think if the NDP and liberals were to merge many LIberal voters would bail to the Conservatives. This is because the Liberals aren't on the left like everyone seems to say. Right: PC Middle: Libs Left: NDP The liberals may be closer to the left than to the right, but, If they merged with the NDP and a liberal voters choice was NDP or PC, not all would vote NDP. maybe 60/40, maybe 70/30, but not all. | ||
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