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On May 03 2011 13:56 ScaryOlive wrote:
What is strange is that even thought here in Québec people didn't vote for a separatist party, we are still in contradiction to the ''ROC'' which voted PC. Only 6 Pc wins in Québec. People are raging in here...
I was speaking with one of my friend and he made me realise this may be the spark for quebec to realise we have to separate from canada. We can see with the vote. We do not agree at all with the rest of the canada. The bloc creat a illusion of independence so quebecers don't realise that. After 4 horrible years we may see something change. Lets hope so
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On May 03 2011 13:54 Kralic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 13:51 caradoc wrote:On May 03 2011 13:49 Le BucheRON wrote:On May 03 2011 13:45 caradoc wrote:On May 03 2011 13:35 Kralic wrote:On May 03 2011 13:32 caradoc wrote:On May 03 2011 13:24 Kralic wrote:
What ever the West shall reap the rewards of this I guess, that must make the East fairly upset because "we lucked out". Too bad we didn't luck out in population so we can get the majority of the seats to.
How would the split vote make the difference? I am still seeing the majority of the winners in the east having more than 50% of the votes of the other parties representatives. Even if they all voted for one party not Conservative they would have lost.
And furthermore, how do you know the people who voted Liberal or NDP would have voted for one of those two parties instead of Conservatives? This doesnt make sense at all. How does 'the west' reap any rewards at all? Conservatives have helped out the West in many more ways than the Liberals ever had, just live out here when the Liberals were/are in power and you will see the truth of how we get treated. I've lived in Alberta for over 20 years. What are you talking about. Give an example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Energy_Program Since Trudeau was a liberal, I'm assuming you were against this program. Fair enough, explain how it was detrimental to ordinary Albertans. Assuming you live in Alberta, your parents can tell you how much fun it was when unemployment more than doubled and the economy collapsed.
yeah, fair enough, seems like a policy created for good reasons with poor implementation.
But I guess my point, which I probably should have emphasized, was that western alienation is a well honed political tool more so than a reality.
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On May 03 2011 13:55 Taku wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 13:54 caradoc wrote:On May 03 2011 13:52 Taku wrote:On May 03 2011 13:51 caradoc wrote:On May 03 2011 13:49 Le BucheRON wrote:On May 03 2011 13:45 caradoc wrote:On May 03 2011 13:35 Kralic wrote:On May 03 2011 13:32 caradoc wrote:On May 03 2011 13:24 Kralic wrote:
What ever the West shall reap the rewards of this I guess, that must make the East fairly upset because "we lucked out". Too bad we didn't luck out in population so we can get the majority of the seats to.
How would the split vote make the difference? I am still seeing the majority of the winners in the east having more than 50% of the votes of the other parties representatives. Even if they all voted for one party not Conservative they would have lost.
And furthermore, how do you know the people who voted Liberal or NDP would have voted for one of those two parties instead of Conservatives? This doesnt make sense at all. How does 'the west' reap any rewards at all? Conservatives have helped out the West in many more ways than the Liberals ever had, just live out here when the Liberals were/are in power and you will see the truth of how we get treated. I've lived in Alberta for over 20 years. What are you talking about. Give an example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Energy_Program how embarrassing for you. He was a Liberal. Jesus christ, that was the point. Look at the results of the next election after they put the NEP in: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_1984Just incase you don't feel like reading it, tl;dr liberals got wiped out, especially out west. Also, I'm amused at all these leftist backers who are still in disbelief rambling 'we lost so the system must be broken' No, the system is broken period. Its a separate issue. The system has been there for over a hundred years and is in place around the world, please tell us why it's broken rather than the fact that just maybe, the losers rightly lost.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participatory_economics
but yes, this thread is turning into balance whine.
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On May 03 2011 13:54 caradoc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 13:52 Taku wrote:On May 03 2011 13:51 caradoc wrote:On May 03 2011 13:49 Le BucheRON wrote:On May 03 2011 13:45 caradoc wrote:On May 03 2011 13:35 Kralic wrote:On May 03 2011 13:32 caradoc wrote:On May 03 2011 13:24 Kralic wrote:
What ever the West shall reap the rewards of this I guess, that must make the East fairly upset because "we lucked out". Too bad we didn't luck out in population so we can get the majority of the seats to.
How would the split vote make the difference? I am still seeing the majority of the winners in the east having more than 50% of the votes of the other parties representatives. Even if they all voted for one party not Conservative they would have lost.
And furthermore, how do you know the people who voted Liberal or NDP would have voted for one of those two parties instead of Conservatives? This doesnt make sense at all. How does 'the west' reap any rewards at all? Conservatives have helped out the West in many more ways than the Liberals ever had, just live out here when the Liberals were/are in power and you will see the truth of how we get treated. I've lived in Alberta for over 20 years. What are you talking about. Give an example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Energy_Program how embarrassing for you. He was a Liberal. Jesus christ, that was the point. Look at the results of the next election after they put the NEP in: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_1984Just incase you don't feel like reading it, tl;dr liberals got wiped out, especially out west. Also, I'm amused at all these leftist backers who are still in disbelief rambling 'we lost so the system must be broken' No, the system is broken period. Its a separate issue.
If you implement a proportional system i have a few questions on it:
Is the number of MPs in the House still 308?
How is it split (50%ridings/50% proportional?) or some other way.
Which ridings do those 50% propotional represent?
do we combine ridings to make room for the proportional MP's, or do some ridings not have candidates and just get candidates assigned to them based on proportional vote?
If the decision to change the system is made, who changes it? The house? the PM? the GG? the senate? the people? (didnt we vote on it already???)
If you lose your riding can you be appointed to a different riding because of the proportional vote? or are proportional voters just ridingless and don't represent anyone except their party?
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Am i the only that thinks that Gretzky should become the next liberal rep? Imho if he goes for that he wins all 308 seats no doubt.
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Looks like we will be returning to American style political donations  Harper said he will do this within the first 100 days. Now big corporations and labour unions get to decide our future policies. Not cool.
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On May 03 2011 14:00 StoLiVe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 13:56 ScaryOlive wrote:
What is strange is that even thought here in Québec people didn't vote for a separatist party, we are still in contradiction to the ''ROC'' which voted PC. Only 6 Pc wins in Québec. People are raging in here... I was speaking with one of my friend and he made me realise this may be the spark for quebec to realise we have to separate from canada. We can see with the vote. We do not agree at all with the rest of the canada. The bloc creat a illusion of independence so quebecers don't realise that. After 4 horrible years we may see something change. Lets hope so
Time will tell... Layton's got work to do.
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On May 03 2011 14:02 caradoc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 13:55 Taku wrote:On May 03 2011 13:54 caradoc wrote:On May 03 2011 13:52 Taku wrote:On May 03 2011 13:51 caradoc wrote:On May 03 2011 13:49 Le BucheRON wrote:On May 03 2011 13:45 caradoc wrote:On May 03 2011 13:35 Kralic wrote:On May 03 2011 13:32 caradoc wrote:On May 03 2011 13:24 Kralic wrote:
What ever the West shall reap the rewards of this I guess, that must make the East fairly upset because "we lucked out". Too bad we didn't luck out in population so we can get the majority of the seats to.
How would the split vote make the difference? I am still seeing the majority of the winners in the east having more than 50% of the votes of the other parties representatives. Even if they all voted for one party not Conservative they would have lost.
And furthermore, how do you know the people who voted Liberal or NDP would have voted for one of those two parties instead of Conservatives? This doesnt make sense at all. How does 'the west' reap any rewards at all? Conservatives have helped out the West in many more ways than the Liberals ever had, just live out here when the Liberals were/are in power and you will see the truth of how we get treated. I've lived in Alberta for over 20 years. What are you talking about. Give an example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Energy_Program how embarrassing for you. He was a Liberal. Jesus christ, that was the point. Look at the results of the next election after they put the NEP in: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_federal_election,_1984Just incase you don't feel like reading it, tl;dr liberals got wiped out, especially out west. Also, I'm amused at all these leftist backers who are still in disbelief rambling 'we lost so the system must be broken' No, the system is broken period. Its a separate issue. The system has been there for over a hundred years and is in place around the world, please tell us why it's broken rather than the fact that just maybe, the losers rightly lost. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participatory_economicsbut yes, this thread is turning into balance whine.
Sigh okay if you don't want to talk about it anymore okay, but you're seriously basing all this on the work of two questionable theorists?
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Am i the only that thinks that Gretzky should become the next liberal rep? Imho if he goes for that he wins all 308 seats no doubt.
How much of his life has he lived in the US?
If he'd stayed in Edmonton, maybe. 
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My local NDP candidate is still just barely within range of losing :/
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On May 03 2011 14:07 Le BucheRON wrote:Show nested quote +
Am i the only that thinks that Gretzky should become the next liberal rep? Imho if he goes for that he wins all 308 seats no doubt.
How much of his life has he lived in the US? If he'd stayed in Edmonton, maybe.
If he becomes PM they will trade it for obama and a 2-3 republicans
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Pretty much there is a lot to be excited about either way. We have a majority government which can help us or sink us, have to wait 4 years and see (It will do more good than bad when it comes to important decisions). We also have a new opposition party which is huge. Anyone who voted for the NDP should be proud.
In regards to the new liberal leader it will eventually be Justin Trudeau who will get a lot of votes on who he is and what he stands for.
This will be a fun 4 years to see what happens. I am excited, I wish more people could be in the epic change that went on in our government.
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Hi, im from Québec, and i just want to say that i do not understand whats going on in the rest of the canada. Why does evryone in the west keep on voting for a political party that support everything people should be against ?
They are :
Doing Fear and bashing campaigns against other parties based on nonsense and absurdities.
No respect on anything environmental.
Throwing major investments OUTSIDE of the country, like the planes.
No respect of the ppl freedom (gay, abortion, etc)
Again, Censuring everything, even question asked to Harper ?
Putting money in banks/OLD energy which are closer and closer to become obsolete. Where in every other advanced country in the world people are pushing for new energy use.
Breaking and disrespecting our own laws ....
And after people dont understand why Québec always want to split off. NONE of them are in with how anyone sees canada at all here... WHY DO YOU VOTE FOR HARPER, I DONT UNDERSTAND ?
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On May 03 2011 14:12 Norwenna wrote:
Hi, im from Québec, and i just want to say that i do not understand whats going on in the rest of the canada. Why does evryone in the west keep on voting for a political party that support everything people should be against ?
They are :
Doing Fear and bashing campaigns against other parties.
No respect on anything environmental.
Throwing major investments OUTSIDE of the country, like the planes.
No respect of the ppl freedom (gay, abortion, etc)
Again, Censuring everything, even question asked to Harper ?
Putting money in banks/OLD energy which are closer and closer to become obsolete. Where in every other advanced country in the world people are pushing for new energy use.
Breaking and disrespecting our own laws ....
And after people dont understand why Québec always want to split off. NONE of them are in with how anyone sees canada at all here... WHY DO YOU VOTE FOR HARPER, I DONT UNDERSTAND ?
Because history has shown they fuck us over less out west than the Liberals/NDP? It was a contest of who sucks the least and the Conservatives/NDP came out on top this round.
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Hurray, I for one am super exited that my tax dollars will be going to larger prisons and corporate tax cuts instead of health care and social services. Can't anyone see how effective low corporate taxes have been in promoting the economy of Ireland? I mean Ireland is an economic becon that other nations should emulate.
I also do not like knowing what my government is up to at all. I enjoy being blissfully ignorant of the inner workings of the country in which I live. God bless the Canadian people for their exemplary decision making, I am truely proud to be Canadian this day. GO HARPER!
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lol Harper '' We will help even those who didin't vote for us!''
No, Really???????? For Reallll??????
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Can't anyone see how effective low corporate taxes have been in promoting the economy of Ireland? I mean Ireland is an economic becon that other nations should emulate.
Works pretty well for Australia.
As a Canadian who DIDN'T vote for Harper, take a deep breath. It'll be alright.
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On May 03 2011 14:21 ScaryOlive wrote:
lol Harper '' We will help even those who didin't vote for us!''
No, Really???????? For Reallll??????
He's just trying to CYA because some people noticed in the past his party has given the ridings that voted for them more share of the pie. We'll see if that changes at all.
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On May 03 2011 14:21 ScaryOlive wrote:
lol Harper '' We will help even those who didin't vote for us!''
No, Really???????? For Reallll??????
He's pretty much winking Quebec obviously.
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