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Health care reform is desperately needed, but I doubt it will happen with the government that were just in place. Cutting health funds doesn't equal health care reform, surprisingly.
Fairly disappointed with the results. A majority is nice, but people seem to get this idea that a 'majority at all costs' was necessary to stabilize the country. That's bullshit, you need a good government; if the Conservatives had a good budget, they wouldn't have been voted out. The fact that we'll have a stable government doesn't mean things will go well. We'll have to see; hopefully my rights don't get alienated  Haha.
Well I'm still happy the Bloc is out; Quebec really showed what they are made of.  I hope Gilles goes Provincial; a good leader is much needed here...
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The french channel is way more interesting for the election :D
Way better production value to.
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On May 03 2011 12:30 Freaky[x] wrote:
canada has just said ... money is worth more than anything else in the world and rich people deserve better and more things than middle / lower class
Meh... like 40% of 26% of the 27mil registered voters said that.
Canada is barely a democracy ;p atleast when it comes to our civil society. If citizens don't exercize their rights do they have them?
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On May 03 2011 12:30 Djzapz wrote:
If you're anti-me, why can't I just leave? Paradox.
oh djzapz why did u appear on teamliquid
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On May 03 2011 12:35 MiniRoman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 12:30 Freaky[x] wrote:
canada has just said ... money is worth more than anything else in the world and rich people deserve better and more things than middle / lower class Meh... like 40% of 26% of the 27mil registered voters said that. Canada is barely a democracy ;p atleast when it comes to our civil society. If citizens don't exercize their rights do they have them?
Even if they do exercise those "rights" how fast do you think they could be taken away?
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it was only 10 years ago that 70% of canadians voted...
amazing how things can change
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On May 03 2011 12:34 Steel wrote:Health care reform is desperately needed, but I doubt it will happen with the government that were just in place. Cutting health funds doesn't equal health care reform, surprisingly. Fairly disappointed with the results. A majority is nice, but people seem to get this idea that a 'majority at all costs' was necessary to stabilize the country. That's bullshit, you need a good government; if the Conservatives had a good budget, they wouldn't have been voted out. The fact that we'll have a stable government doesn't mean things will go well. We'll have to see; hopefully my rights don't get alienated Haha. Well I'm still happy the Bloc is out; Quebec really showed what they are made of. I hope Gilles goes Provincial; a good leader is much needed here...
Agreed, Bloc out is the only thing from this election that makes me happy. It wouldnt surprise me if we see the NDP and Liberals create a single party which is what happened with the 2003 election and the PC and Alliance Parties to unite the right side of the political spectrum in Canada. I don't expect it but it wouldnt surprise me in the next election for that to happen. Well now we can at least look forward to no election for a few years which will save some of the money we will be losing thanks to poor decisions regarding legal reform from the conservatives.
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On May 03 2011 11:46 Kralic wrote:
The conservatives are good for Canada, it is a shame so many cannot see it and are blinded by lies and false issues brought up.
If you were voting just so the internet might not be UBB'd as your only reason then you were not the best voter out there with the choice based on one issue.
Lawfull access would be the internet point conservatives stand on that should scare the shit out of everyone. You enjoy being searched without a warrant or a just cause? How about dpi because they can?
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On May 03 2011 12:32 Adaptation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 12:27 caradoc wrote:
Well, we now live in a fascist state.
Goodbye to public healthcare, the cbc, social programs, any hope we had for strong environmental policy...
Hello to megaprisons, more military spending, lower corporate taxes, concentrated power and further assault on democratic traditions. Woa woa. Calm the **** down. healthcare and the cbc is not going anywhere. You will still have hockey night in canada, don't worry. Yes it sucks that the military will get that much money when it could have went to environmental&energy improvement. Lower corporate taxes is not as bad as it seems, if it can help enterprise grow in canada this will be important. One thing for sure, the Bloc went from 44 to 3, which effectively shows that the seperatist movement of quebec is truly a thing of the past. Goodbye the bloc.
1) I dont give a sh!t about hockey.
2) Lower corporate taxes does not help 'enterprise grow'. It helps conglomerates and larger corporations grow. Most small business are not corporations, so it promotes higher disparity of wealth, historical statistics show lower corporate taxes do not increase employment.
3) Harper and many party members have consistently stated that the cbc is irrelevant and should be made 'profitable' -> i.e. funding cuts, or selling it off to private enterprises.
4) I liked Gilles Duceppe, he speaks for a perspective that is far removed from the neo-liberal rhetoric and is a really intelligent leader. He wasn't all for separatism, increased autonomy within Canada to him is viable as well.
Finally, the current state of the conservative party is the most antidemocratic ruling party canada has ever seen.
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On May 03 2011 12:32 Kolvacs wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 12:30 Freaky[x] wrote:
canada has just said ... money is worth more than anything else in the world and rich people deserve better and more things than middle / lower class Or they said that they want a government that is concerned about the economy. - People are blowing this shit WAY our of proportion. This isn't the first Conservative Majority EVER.
And this is what I dont understand, all of the parties are.
And Harper isnt doing better, look at our debt, look at the spendings. Look at where the money is going. lowering the big corporations taxes seems like something you'd see one century ago, I might miss something, but it's shown that the money wont be coming back as salaries, that it only concentrate the wealth even more... and 30 billions for F-35, best way to take care of the economy right ?
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Honestly the only thing i REALLY dont like about conservatives is their US like obsession with military and laws/prisons. Our military is fine how it is...sure were a joke in the grand scheme of things but no one would dare invade us given our location. Im perfecrly fine with that...to get to a respectable level wed have to spend enough money to bankrupt the country so why even try? Were fine were we are. As for the other subject one of the biggest problems with the states is the condion of the prison system and the stance they take on laws like drug laws. Too try and emulate that example especially when ur countrys extremely safe crime wise just makes no sense at all.
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On May 03 2011 12:27 caradoc wrote:
Well, we now live in a fascist state.
Goodbye to public healthcare, the cbc, social programs, any hope we had for strong environmental policy...
Hello to megaprisons, more military spending, lower corporate taxes, concentrated power and further assault on democratic traditions.
Lmao. Sensationalize more please.
And also, people really need to stop blindly thinking that corporate tax cuts are bad for Canada. A corporate tax cut means that corporations make more profit, which fuels corporate growth and expansion within our economy. If there's a cut of 3%, and as a result industry grows by 4% there was an increase in tax dollars that can go towards funding other things within the country. It also creates jobs, which nobody is going to argue is a bad thing.
I voted NDP - but honestly I'm so tired of people who haven't looked at the results of a single vote or bill that passed through parliament saying random radical bullshit.
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On May 03 2011 12:37 darkscream wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 12:30 Djzapz wrote:
If you're anti-me, why can't I just leave? Paradox. oh djzapz why did u appear on teamliquid
What do you mean?
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On May 03 2011 12:33 StoLiVe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 12:28 Darpa wrote:On May 03 2011 12:25 StoLiVe wrote:On May 03 2011 12:21 Darpa wrote:On May 03 2011 12:07 StoLiVe wrote:On May 03 2011 11:58 Darpa wrote:
On other note. I'm actually fairly proud of quebec Canada atm. They finally voted for a federal party, I really hope that it will strengthen some of the ties there. We vote for the party who seems the better for us. Most of the federal party don't give a shit about us *cough Harper *cough He already say he don't want us in the canada, but we give give money to him so he keep us but don't give us right Uh what? He has never once stated he didnt want quebec as part of Canada, that would be political suicide. Furthermore, Canada transfers money too quebec, not vice versa. Unless Im misunderstanding what you are trying to say? If so please clarify Quebec has better grants and more provincial control over just about any legislation in Canada. You literally have more special rights than that average Canadian. For example, Provincial grant for francophone parents who have more than one child. Nobody else did or will get that. It also happens to be true. Three quarters of it, that is. Hello healthcare reform, espionage legislature, and First Nations issues. I will give you abortion, though. All riding on the back of years of scandalous behaviour in Parliament What are you talking about? Healthcare reform is desperatly needed, unless you want to continue with 12 hour wait times in hospital beds. First nations issues have been a problem for 50 years, and remember there was a liberal government less than 8 years ago. Yet you seem to insuate that the conservative government created the problem and is making it worse? I'd like to see a source for that. As for your last statement about abortion and parliment I have no idea what point you are trying to make, so I will ignore it. Yes he say he don't care about quebec. If you want to see that almost nobody vote for conservative here. I aggre they give us money but we are usefull for him with the electricity and with the potential of the gas from shale Can you source that statement? Because if its true I would really like to know. That would be appalling. But you are contradicting yourself? first you are saying that he doesnt want you, then saying he wants you for shale gas and electricity? Which is it  I don't see he don't want us. I say he don't care about us There's what i'm talming about : http://www.globalmontreal.com/Layton Harper differ Quebec Constitution priority/4677022/story.htmlQuebec is not in the constitution and he do not want the quebec in it
Quebec is not in the consitution because they have special rights, and more importantly, didnt want to be part of the consitution because of various reasons
That statement had nothing to do with Harper wanting quebec to be part of Canada or not, it was stating that he had no intention in this economy to start discussing the re-opening ofconsitutional issues. A situation, I might add, that Quebec has been happy with for the last 20 years.
Furthermore if you actually watched the debate when Layton was talking about the consitution and quebec, he was talking about integrating quebec into the consitution. Which would mean equal rights for quebecois with other Canadians. Im not sure you know what that means, because as it stands now, all special concessions made to Quebec citizens would be revoked, meaning you would actually have less rights than you have right now.
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On May 03 2011 12:32 Adaptation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 12:27 caradoc wrote:
Well, we now live in a fascist state.
Goodbye to public healthcare, the cbc, social programs, any hope we had for strong environmental policy...
Hello to megaprisons, more military spending, lower corporate taxes, concentrated power and further assault on democratic traditions. Woa woa. Calm the **** down. healthcare and the cbc is not going anywhere. You will still have hockey night in canada, don't worry. Yes it sucks that the military will get that much money when it could have went to environmental&energy improvement. Lower corporate taxes is not as bad as it seems, if it can help enterprise grow in canada this will be important. One thing for sure, the Bloc went from 44 to 3, which effectively shows that the seperatist movement of quebec is truly a thing of the past. Goodbye the bloc.
Actually this is pretty bad for left wing individuals in this country :/ Its just that the vote on the right is very much concentrated and a poor showing from the centre meant more people voted right than left when they were really pushed to decide unfortunately leading to a conservative majority. I hope that Harper relaxes with the concentration of power in the PM office however as thats the most troubling thing to me.
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On May 03 2011 12:40 FaZe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 12:27 caradoc wrote:
Well, we now live in a fascist state.
Goodbye to public healthcare, the cbc, social programs, any hope we had for strong environmental policy...
Hello to megaprisons, more military spending, lower corporate taxes, concentrated power and further assault on democratic traditions. Lmao. Sensationalize more please. And also, people really need to stop blindly thinking that corporate tax cuts are bad for Canada. A corporate tax cut means that corporations make more profit, which fuels corporate growth and expansion within our economy. If there's a cut of 3%, and as a result industry grows by 4% there was an increase in tax dollars that can go towards funding other things within the country. It also creates jobs, which nobody is going to argue is a bad thing. I voted NDP - but honestly I'm so tired of people who haven't looked at the results of a single vote or bill that passed through parliament saying random radical bullshit.
Your math is incorrect. If industry grows by 4%, that additional growth does not make up for the 3% tax cut.
Not only that, but people need to move beyond the logic that 'gdp = prosperity'. It doesn't it only = prosperity for the top 10% of income earners.
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On May 03 2011 12:40 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 12:37 darkscream wrote:On May 03 2011 12:30 Djzapz wrote:
If you're anti-me, why can't I just leave? Paradox. oh djzapz why did u appear on teamliquid What do you mean?
He probably means you can leave anytime you want, no one would miss you, just like the seperatists.
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On May 03 2011 11:39 RavenLoud wrote:
Great victory for the NPD. Next election will be really interesting.
I have trouble calling it either a victory for the Conservatives or the NDP as I feel it's more just a splitting up of the failed Liberal and Bloc seats. Ontario went very Conservative, Quebec went very NDP.
I would have been fine with another Conservative minority and going in felt that we would gain from a more effective opposition in the form of a bolstered NDP sitting in the official spot. It's sort of what I began to expect. Now I have to hope that the political gamesmanship Harper showed himself capable of (to the chagrin of the Parliamentary process) was only a symptom of trying to operate in a minority and not indicative of being completely fucking evil.
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On May 03 2011 12:43 Flaccid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 11:39 RavenLoud wrote:
Great victory for the NPD. Next election will be really interesting. I have trouble calling it either a victory for the Conservatives or the NDP as I feel it's more just a splitting up of the failed Liberal and Bloc seats. Ontario went very Conservative, Quebec went very NDP. I would have been fine with another Conservative minority and going in felt that we would gain from a more effective opposition in the form of a bolstered NDP sitting in the official spot. It's sort of what I began to expect. Now I have to hope that the political gamesmanship Harper showed himself capable of (to the chagrin of the Parliamentary process) was only a symptom of trying to operate in a minority and not indicative of being completely fucking evil.
You and me both. I tend to believe he is completely fucking evil. But I would love to be pleasantly surprised to the contrary.
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 03 2011 12:22 Nemireck wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 12:12 Glaven wrote:On May 03 2011 12:00 Nemireck wrote:On May 03 2011 11:55 Steel wrote:On May 03 2011 11:49 Pelopidas wrote:On May 03 2011 11:44 Steel wrote:
This is depressing
I can't believe you'd vote conservative after all the FACTS that have been presented about the Conservative government...or the Liberal Government. What facts? Harper is doing a pretty good job in my opinion. The alternatives are either an unproven party with pro-union tendencies, or a cynical Conservative lite party with populist tendencies. In 2007, Harper cut $1.2 Billion for quality national childcare. He never kept his promise to cut the $1.4 billion in tax breaks he gives to oil companies The Kelowna accord was a $5 billion breakthrough agreement to improve the quality of health and education for Canada's First Nation's Peoples. Harper canceled it in 2006, immediately after taking office Harper cut science research funding by $138 Million Stephen Harper wants to buy 65 stealth fighter jets with 29 billion of our dollars? Idk just look it up there's worthy articles everywhere Good, why should I have to pay for other people's children? If you can't afford to care for them, use birth control. 1.4 billion is a drop in the bucket, and helps to keep our gas prices low. The Kelowna accord was a farce from the beginning. The Liberal government never had ANY intention of actually following through with their commitments, and in fact, our emissions ROSE every single year since signing the accord. Our country only emits 2% of the world's green-house gases, and without countries like India, China, and the USA on board, ANY agreement like the Kelowna accord is a waste of time. Cuts to science and research were indeed unfortunate Ya, we should never update our military equipment. We should cut all spending and equip our Canada geese with hellfire missiles to defend our country. Get real. - So, lets say theoretically a mother is widowed and left with two young children and therefore cannot both care for her children and work? I guess maybe she should have thought of that first! I guess people with lower incomes should not have the pleasure of having children if they can't afford daycare! I guess people who come upon hard economic times should have planned better! - Wat, so you say 1.4 billion dollars is a drop in the bucket... but cutting 1.2 billion from healthcare should be vehemently opposed because "poor people shouldn't have children" (i'm paraphrasing). And where did you read that tax breaks are passed on to the consumer? - Wtf are you talking about - We could go on for days about military expenditure but the point is that believe it or not, new jets will not make us safer. The widowed woman's husband should have taken out a life insurance policy the minute he was responsible for dependents. And no, low-income people should NOT have the "pleasure of having children" if they can't afford it. I bought a dog 4 years ago, but before I did, I had to get a new job, work in it long enough to build up a savings account, and earn myself some job-security so that I could make the 10-15 year commitment of caring for him. If or when I decide to have children, I will ensure that I have the means, and the support to have as much of a chance of raising my children as possible, because that is my DUTY to society. I don't WANT to be a burden on society, and so I work towards making responsible decisions so that I don't have to lean on the public purse. Our healthcare system is a mess and it can't be sustained by tax-dollars alone. We have to seriously look at making reforms to our system and embrace a more european-style health-care system with a mix of public and private clinics to handle the inevitable influx of costs that are associated with our aging population. I mixed up the Kelowna accord with the Kyoto Protocol, I edited my post. There are very few things that will actually make us safer in this world. The world is a cruel place with a small percentage of extremely violent people who want to kill others in a grab for power and control. You're right that we could go on for days, but letting our air force fly around in old planes that are breaking down (much like our old leaky second-hand submarines the Liberals purchased) is not the correct decision either.
- So having children is monopolized by a privileged economic class or the alternative is that those who are unfortunate enough to have children without a private security net are consigned to poverty? Even though they're irresponsible in your eyes for doing so, they are "leaning on the public purse" regardless of whether or not we have a nationalized daycare system because you neglect to account for social cost. Poorer children in poor areas without access to ECEC (early childhood education and care) are more susceptible to crime or drug use for instance, which inevitably taxes our system both directly and indirectly.
- We have the resources to deploy an effective healthcare system regardless of our demographic shift. Stop the tax cuts for the ultra-rich and the corporations.
- My mistake I just read that now
- I'm assuming this omnipresent threat you're referring to is international terrorism, in which case nobody seems to ask "why do the terrorists hate us". No matter how much money you throw at the military, unless we tackle the structural issues which plague our foreign policy, terrorism will not stop even with shiny new fighters.
Edit: Forgot to mention, beyond policy, the thing that bugs me the most is how nobody cares that our prime minister can disregard our countries democratic ideals.
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