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lastpuritan
United States540 Posts
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Deleted User 183001
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 I've been on Reddit the past 9-10 months or so. /r/syriancivilwar (where I'm pretty active\) is a pretty great forum for Syria/Iraq conflict news. I mean there's lots I can say here, like for example about the whole Dulaimi tribe thing, which was discussed alot in a reddit thread. For one Dulaim is a widespread tribe (3 million in Iraq of the ~7 million) and includes many clans, some of whom are Shi'i. There's no way many branches of the tribe swore allegiance to ISIS, except perhaps some in Anbar, Iraq. In addition, it's possible that these specific Dulaimis who swore allegiance to ISIS were already with ISIS to start with, and that they're simply affirming their allegiance, especially in a time of great crisis for ISIS in Anbar. It's like feudal lords confirming their fealty to the king in a time of war. Following the fall of Ramadi, the Iraqi govt. finally decided to bring in significant military reinforcements and also the militias into the province. Before, they were trying to go with the US-backed strategy to leave Anbari locals to do much of the fighting against ISIS, but of course, this proved to be unreliable. Already there is a huge counter-offensive moving into Ramadi, and another offensive staged against Fallujah. I've also read that Coalition/Iraqi aircraft are striking ISIS militants trying to cross into Iraq from Syria at the Al-Qa'im crossing, in order to reinforce ISIS positions in Anbar. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
More British Muslims have joined Islamist militant groups than serve in the country’s armed forces. How to understand the pull of jihad. Source The Peoples' Democratic Party is passing the 10% election threshold according to Turkish media sources CHA and AA. Figures currently show the HDP as between 10.9% and 11.8% from different sources, with the HDP getting at least 73 MPs into parliament. Source | ||
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Deleted User 183001
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Iraqi forces with the support of the U.S. are now in control of Baiji city, military and militia sources told CNN on Sunday. "Forces have cleansed and are in control completely of government complex, city center, Fatah mosque (main mosque) and surrounding neighborhoods," said Brig. Gen. Tahseen Ibrahim, a spokesman for the Iraqi defense ministry. He credited the U. S. with "a significant role supporting" Iraqi ground forces in the assault. He did not provide specifics on what kind of support the forces received. "We can announce that Baiji city is completely liberated and the Iraqi flag was raised over the governor building," said Muhammed al-Eqabi, a spokesman for the Hash al-Shaabi Shia militia. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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lastpuritan
United States540 Posts
![[image loading]](http://imggaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/LiveImages/Foto%20Haber/205/Suriye%20s%c4%b1n%c4%b1r%c4%b1nda%20gergin%20anlar/2.jpg?13062015224034) ![[image loading]](http://imggaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/LiveImages/Foto%20Haber/205/Suriye%20s%c4%b1n%c4%b1r%c4%b1nda%20gergin%20anlar/11.jpg?13062015224034) ![[image loading]](http://imggaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/LiveImages/Foto%20Haber/205/Suriye%20s%c4%b1n%c4%b1r%c4%b1nda%20gergin%20anlar/10.jpg?13062015224034) | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On June 14 2015 10:13 lastpuritan wrote: another huge mistake by Turkey, i dont know how Erdogan will defend this. context ? EDIT: found it http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3123031/ISIS-intercepts-thousands-Syrian-refugees-fleeing-Turkish-border.html | ||
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xM(Z
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NasusAndDraven
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On June 14 2015 15:29 xM(Z wrote: i don't know why Turkey has to defend this. what were they supposed to do?, invade Syria?, start shooting at ISIS and kill a bunch of people in the process?, ask ISIS nicely to allow people to cross? ... This what i was thinking aswell. There is bunch of things Turkey could do otherwise regarding ISIS like not allowing black market oil to go through or having stricter border control in regards of letting muslim militants going through, but attacking ISIS inside syrias borders via ground forces is really not something you can expect to be their responsibility. | ||
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lastpuritan
United States540 Posts
On June 14 2015 15:29 xM(Z wrote: i don't know why Turkey has to defend this. what were they supposed to do?, invade Syria?, start shooting at ISIS and kill a bunch of people in the process?, ask ISIS nicely to allow people to cross? ... breaking news: a group of isis members were shot down by Turkish attack-helicopter, by turkish special forces, by turkish border guards, by a turkish sniper minutes after they prevented syrian refugees to enter Turkey. OR at least breaking news: turkish guards alerted and aimed their guns at the isis members who try to prevent refugees entering turkey via shared border, turkish forces declared that isis members should lay their guns and surrender and let refugees pass, or they will be chased down... look at em, they are fearlessly smiling. would it be same if they encountered kurds or us soldiers? anything would be better than just watching, any hostile reaction, a bad look, i dont know, you tell me? seems like you have already listed many reasonable solutions. | ||
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NasusAndDraven
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On June 14 2015 16:05 lastpuritan wrote: breaking news: a group of isis members were shot down by Turkish attack-helicopter, by turkish special forces, by turkish border guards, by a turkish sniper minutes after they prevented syrian refugees to enter Turkey. OR at least breaking news: turkish guards alerted and aimed their guns at the isis members who try to prevent refugees entering turkey via shared border, turkish forces declared that isis members should lay their guns and surrender and let refugees pass, or they will be chased down... anything would be better than just watching, any hostile reaction, a bad look, i dont know, you tell me? seems like you have already listed many reasonable solutions. I would like to remind you that so far Lebanon and Iran are the only forgein nations that have been so active in figthing ISIS inside syria. Why do you act like its suddently Turkeys responsibility to be the first NATO nation to do such an invasion? Why are you not blaming USA, UK or france to do what you described turkey should do, as all of those nations are pretty much 100 times more capable doing it? The job of the border guards is to secure their own side of the border, not the other side. | ||
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lastpuritan
United States540 Posts
though i agree a nato soldier should protect nato borders first, clearly these rats are our enemies and when they approach to your border, if you are really hostile to each other, you just shoot to kill, because they are dangerous, because we all know they are not human, because we all know they may harm a child when they get back or torture & execute some of those refugees to punish them. do you remember any turkish assault against those lunatics except for one (they claim they bombed an isis convoy) ? i dont. hah, why im not blaming USA? kobane did not fall because we saved it -turks were again guarding their borders-, kurds are alive because usa led coalition kept bombing isis rats when they try to stick their heads out of their holes. i can blame US on many things, but not on this one. | ||
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NasusAndDraven
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-Shooting ISIS down with attack helicopters -with special forces -by border guards -with sniper rifles -aim their guns at them and threaten to chase them down -anything that would put an US soldier life at risk France, UK and USA are more than capable of bringing hundreds of tanks and attack-helicopters supported by 10 000 boots to Syria but they just decided not to (not that they should) Hmm now what where the things you demanded Turkey to do again? Also you should realize that the only reason US is doing any of these strikes is because US has many strategically important military bases in Iraq and ISIS is threatening them. US did not give a single fuck about ISIS torturing and executing civilians during the first 2years of the civil war, before it spilled into Iraq. Infact US would have had much rather have ISIS conquer whole syria. Only after ISIS became a threat to the oh so precious US military bases did the "saving civillian lives" start to matter suddenly. Turkey does not have military bases in any locations where ISIS wants to attack so obviously they are not so hostile. | ||
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ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On June 14 2015 17:07 NasusAndDraven wrote: Yes USA has done many airstrikes against ISIS, though mainly on Iraqs side. But here are some things USA has not done -Shooting ISIS down with attack helicopters -with special forces -by border guards -with sniper rifles -aim their guns at them and threaten to chase them down -anything that would put an US soldier life at risk France, UK and USA are more than capable of bringing hundreds of tanks and attack-helicopters supported by 10 000 boots to Syria but they just decided not to (not that they should) Hmm now what where the things you demanded Turkey to do again? Also you should realize that the only reason US is doing any of these strikes is because US has many strategically important military bases in Iraq and ISIS is threatening them. US did not give a single fuck about ISIS torturing and executing civilians during the first 2years of the civil war, before it spilled into Iraq. Infact US would have had much rather have ISIS conquer whole syria. Only after ISIS became a threat to the oh so precious US military bases did the "saving civillian lives" start to matter suddenly. Turkey does not have military bases in any locations where ISIS wants to attack so obviously they are not so hostile. lets not forget about turkey's own political agenda.. . many would argue that they don't see isis as an imminent threat and would rather use it to weaken both Assad's regime and Kurdish paramilitary forces. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4769 Posts
Its just another example that Turkey support/dont care about ISIS. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
Edit: it's a hostage situation not some random squabble | ||
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lastpuritan
United States540 Posts
On June 14 2015 17:07 NasusAndDraven wrote: Yes USA has done many airstrikes against ISIS, though mainly on Iraqs side. But here are some things USA has not done -Shooting ISIS down with attack helicopters -with special forces -by border guards -with sniper rifles -aim their guns at them and threaten to chase them down -anything that would put an US soldier life at risk France, UK and USA are more than capable of bringing hundreds of tanks and attack-helicopters supported by 10 000 boots to Syria but they just decided not to (not that they should) Hmm now what where the things you demanded Turkey to do again? Also you should realize that the only reason US is doing any of these strikes is because US has many strategically important military bases in Iraq and ISIS is threatening them. US did not give a single fuck about ISIS torturing and executing civilians during the first 2years of the civil war, before it spilled into Iraq. Infact US would have had much rather have ISIS conquer whole syria. Only after ISIS became a threat to the oh so precious US military bases did the "saving civillian lives" start to matter suddenly. Turkey does not have military bases in any locations where ISIS wants to attack so obviously they are not so hostile. First of all, US and its coalition allies are continuously attacking ISIS both in Iraq and Syria equally. Total intervention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American-led_intervention_in_Syria Can be seen here. Attack helicopters did engage ISIS militants. http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/06/us/isis-apache-helicopters/ Can be seen here. Special Forces operated in Syrian soil http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/16/us-special-forces-kill-isis-commander-wife-syria can be seen here. US border guards cant fight ISIS naturally, but here it is: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2878897/American-troops-battle-ISIS-time-attempted-attack-militants-Iraqi-base.html Of course our snipers cant shoot them because we are not there, yet. But please watch American Sniper.  - If there is a county which will easily transport tanks and troops to Syria, that is not US, nor France, nor England, but Turkey. Of course we can think some of the Western armies are more mobile than Turkey since it has a defensive army like Germany, but they are not going anywhere overseas: ![[image loading]](http://www.fourwinds10.net/resources/uploads/images/map%20of%20turkey.png) Remember this show-off + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://static-ssl.businessinsider.com/image/543300dfeab8eac36426f4fa-1200-800/rtr493ew.jpg) It takes only minutes for them to enter Syrian soil, how can you expect a continent away country to be quicker. This conversation is nonsense. Even sunni muslim countries fought isis already. Turkey has not. I wont respond your logic about military bases and US. But mister president sultan erdogan states ISIS is the greatest enemy, so obviously they should be hostile. http://www.dailysabah.com/politics/2015/04/13/turkish-president-erdogan-isis-is-the-greatest-enemy-of-islam-muslims | ||
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NasusAndDraven
359 Posts
But my point still stands on that the only reason they are doing this is to protect their own bases. They care just as much about civillians as turkish do. None. And I would like point out that not every nation has same forgein policy as USA. As in "greatest enemy" or "hostile" meaning you should go for a full scale invasion. USA is the greatest enemy of North Korea, does that mean they should just go attack? | ||
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rasco
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On June 14 2015 20:43 lastpuritan wrote: First of all, US and its coalition allies are continuously attacking ISIS both in Iraq and Syria equally. Total intervention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American-led_intervention_in_Syria Can be seen here. Attack helicopters did engage ISIS militants. http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/06/us/isis-apache-helicopters/ Can be seen here. Special Forces operated in Syrian soil http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/16/us-special-forces-kill-isis-commander-wife-syria can be seen here. US border guards cant fight ISIS naturally, but here it is: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2878897/American-troops-battle-ISIS-time-attempted-attack-militants-Iraqi-base.html Of course our snipers cant shoot them because we are not there, yet. But please watch American Sniper. - If there is a county which will easily transport tanks and troops to Syria, that is not US, nor France, nor England, but Turkey. Of course we can think some of the Western armies are more mobile than Turkey since it has a defensive army like Germany, but they are not going anywhere overseas: Remember this show-off + Show Spoiler + It takes only minutes for them to enter Syrian soil, how can you expect a continent away country to be quicker. This conversation is nonsense. Even sunni muslim countries fought isis already. Turkey has not. I wont respond your logic about military bases and US. But mister president sultan erdogan states ISIS is the greatest enemy, so obviously they should be hostile. http://www.dailysabah.com/politics/2015/04/13/turkish-president-erdogan-isis-is-the-greatest-enemy-of-islam-muslims Sorry for the post being not constructive but with your logic US should have invaded Cuba back in 1962. Foreign policies are not solving equations like 2+2=x, x=?. As Turkish citizen i am by far the most opposed person probably to Erdogan and his parties policies but just for your information Turkey does not get in a full scale war with IS as they see them as a countermeasure for kurds and Asad regime. | ||
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