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Please guys, stay on topic.

This thread is about the situation in Iraq and Syria.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4742 Posts
June 17 2015 11:48 GMT
#5981
Situation on the Turkish-Syrian border looks dramatic.

http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/swiat/tragedia-na-granicy-syryjsko-tureckiej-ludzie-walcza-o-przetrwanie/s5t73j

In Polish but just look at the pictures.
Pathetic Greta hater.
NasusAndDraven
Profile Joined April 2015
359 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-17 12:16:26
June 17 2015 12:15 GMT
#5982
Does it say exactly where those pictures are taken? Acording to my sources the border crossing lastpuritan linked in previous page is now taken by the kurdish forces but it might be wrong.


Also does anyone know why the syrians try so violently to reach Turkey through the heavily guarded border? How hard is it to catch an illegal boat that would take them to EU? Millions of africans are able to do it every year. EU nations are not allowed to turn anyone of them back. And IIRC Sweden announced a long time ago that they would automaticly grant asylum status to anyone coming from Syria, so if they cant get jobs from italy, greece etc. they could just continue to Sweden and hit the welfare bucks.
lastpuritan
Profile Joined December 2014
United States540 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-17 12:48:13
June 17 2015 12:43 GMT
#5983
Most likely:

UNICEF has said children account for more than half of all registered Syrian refugees in Turkey, making it the main shelter for vulnerable minors ahead of any other country.

Since the beginning of June, more than 23,000 Syrian refugees have crossed into Turkey through the southern Akçakale border gate, fleeing airstrikes and fighting in the city of Tal Abyad, said UNICEF spokesperson Christophe Boulierac on June 16.

Speaking during a press conference in Geneva, Boulierac said at least 10,000 children were among the 23,000 new refugees.

“Of the almost 1.8 million refugees in Turkey, 54 percent are children - that is around 900,000 child refugees,” said Boulierac.

The country hosting the second-highest number of Syrian child refugees was Lebanon, sheltering at least 630,000, according to UNICEF.

Meanwhile, at least 6,000 Syrian refugee children who recently entered Turkey through Akçakale were vaccinated by Turkish health officials against measles and polio.

Health care and vaccinations were given to 6,000 refugee children younger than 16 years old, said Yaşar Şimşek, the director of the public health department in the southeastern province of Şanlıurfa.


Coalition and Pkk are attacking some of the ISIS villages near Turkish border, ISIS flees to Raqqa, citizens flee to Turkey.

Turkey arrested couple of ISIS members

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Video: http://webtv.hurriyet.com.tr/haber/siniri-asan-militanlar-yakalandi_114356?startVideo=80

On June 17 2015 21:15 NasusAndDraven wrote:

Also does anyone know why the syrians try so violently to reach Turkey through the heavily guarded border? How hard is it to catch an illegal boat that would take them to EU? Millions of africans are able to do it every year. EU nations are not allowed to turn anyone of them back. And IIRC Sweden announced a long time ago that they would automaticly grant asylum status to anyone coming from Syria, so if they cant get jobs from italy, greece etc. they could just continue to Sweden and hit the welfare bucks.


Greece is well known with their boat hunt, they dont welcome them. How can you go from Syria to Europe with a small boat, its impossible, yet they have relatives in Turkey, already.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4742 Posts
June 17 2015 12:57 GMT
#5984
On June 17 2015 21:15 NasusAndDraven wrote:
Does it say exactly where those pictures are taken? Acording to my sources the border crossing lastpuritan linked in previous page is now taken by the kurdish forces but it might be wrong.


Also does anyone know why the syrians try so violently to reach Turkey through the heavily guarded border? How hard is it to catch an illegal boat that would take them to EU? Millions of africans are able to do it every year. EU nations are not allowed to turn anyone of them back. And IIRC Sweden announced a long time ago that they would automaticly grant asylum status to anyone coming from Syria, so if they cant get jobs from italy, greece etc. they could just continue to Sweden and hit the welfare bucks.


Sanliurfa is the name of the place.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14076 Posts
June 17 2015 14:01 GMT
#5985
To be fair US and collation special forces are Us soldiers as well and they've been in danger a ton during the campaign.

Someones got to be lazer sighting the smart bombs coming for the ISIS positions.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Aceace
Profile Joined June 2011
Turkey1305 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-20 00:01:02
June 20 2015 00:00 GMT
#5986
On June 17 2015 21:15 NasusAndDraven wrote:
Does it say exactly where those pictures are taken? Acording to my sources the border crossing lastpuritan linked in previous page is now taken by the kurdish forces but it might be wrong.


Also does anyone know why the syrians try so violently to reach Turkey through the heavily guarded border? How hard is it to catch an illegal boat that would take them to EU? Millions of africans are able to do it every year. EU nations are not allowed to turn anyone of them back. And IIRC Sweden announced a long time ago that they would automaticly grant asylum status to anyone coming from Syria, so if they cant get jobs from italy, greece etc. they could just continue to Sweden and hit the welfare bucks.


Its complicated.

After WW1 and the fall of Ottomans, thousands of people separated from their families because of new borders. Lots of villages divided. Some of them become citizens of Turkey while others become citizens of Syria. For 90 years Turkey-Syria border wasn't heavily guarded like that. Especially on Muslim Holidays both sides met with their family members. Also lots of Syrian and Turkish were smuggling. Now Syrians tries to get in contact with frontier villages to somehow pass the border.

When the war between Assad and FSA started millions escaped to Turkey. Sweden offered to help 30k people but there is already 3 millon Syrians in Turkey. Also if they want to use illegal boats they have to pass IS, then FSA, then Assad regime. These 3 territories are extremely dangerous. But if they manage to get Turkey at least they will be away from war.
Dün dündür, bugün bugündür. (Yesterday was yesterday, today is today)
trecey
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany0 Posts
June 20 2015 11:59 GMT
#5987
--- Nuked ---
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 25 2015 15:04 GMT
#5988
ISIS starts a new push towards Kobane:







"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 26 2015 18:45 GMT
#5989




"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2706 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-26 19:00:20
June 26 2015 18:58 GMT
#5990
On June 20 2015 09:00 Aceace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 21:15 NasusAndDraven wrote:
Does it say exactly where those pictures are taken? Acording to my sources the border crossing lastpuritan linked in previous page is now taken by the kurdish forces but it might be wrong.


Also does anyone know why the syrians try so violently to reach Turkey through the heavily guarded border? How hard is it to catch an illegal boat that would take them to EU? Millions of africans are able to do it every year. EU nations are not allowed to turn anyone of them back. And IIRC Sweden announced a long time ago that they would automaticly grant asylum status to anyone coming from Syria, so if they cant get jobs from italy, greece etc. they could just continue to Sweden and hit the welfare bucks.


Its complicated.

After WW1 and the fall of Ottomans, thousands of people separated from their families because of new borders. Lots of villages divided. Some of them become citizens of Turkey while others become citizens of Syria. For 90 years Turkey-Syria border wasn't heavily guarded like that. Especially on Muslim Holidays both sides met with their family members. Also lots of Syrian and Turkish were smuggling. Now Syrians tries to get in contact with frontier villages to somehow pass the border.

When the war between Assad and FSA started millions escaped to Turkey. Sweden offered to help 30k people but there is already 3 millon Syrians in Turkey. Also if they want to use illegal boats they have to pass IS, then FSA, then Assad regime. These 3 territories are extremely dangerous. But if they manage to get Turkey at least they will be away from war.


Lol what? 30k refuges? We have like 90k asylum seekers a year not to mention relatives and other economical refuges. Very many of them are Syrians. Yes it's nothing against the 3 million already in Turkey, for sure. But you are 80 million, we are only 9. And those are the numbers coming every year and have been coming for like 10 years or so (not all Syrians of course, there were other countries before that).

Do not count on Sweden taking in refuges for much longer. Parts of our welfare state is breaking down pretty fast over here. The anti immigration party has seen a rise in popularity which is like 3 times the previous records or so.
There's literally no housing left in some parts of the countries, in some parts the state are asking people to rent out their summer homes.

Edit: Turkey should just annex Syria. Honestly it would be the best solution. Get EU and USA support and just integrate it. Similar religion/culture, right now people would welcome peace. Fuck it just roll Assad/ISIS/FSA and if they don't step aside peshmerga as well.
waaaaaaaaaaaooooow - Felicia, SPF2:T
rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-26 19:06:47
June 26 2015 19:06 GMT
#5991
Sad day indeed.
Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2706 Posts
June 26 2015 19:16 GMT
#5992
Yeah it's pretty fucked up.

Here's a plan.

1) Turkey joins EU as the muslim voice of Europe.
2) NATO/EU special forces, land forces and air support support Turkey.
3) With the aid of NATO/EU Turkey occupies Syria. The front line fighting is done with special forces/air support from allies with some regular none Turkish forces. Turkey does the actual occupation.
4) Syria is integrated as a part of Turkey, all Syrians get voting rights after 5-10 years of integration or something.
5) The now vastly greater Turkey gets NATO/EU assignment of keeping shit in the middle east in check.

Fair deal?
waaaaaaaaaaaooooow - Felicia, SPF2:T
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18194 Posts
June 26 2015 20:12 GMT
#5993
On June 27 2015 04:16 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Yeah it's pretty fucked up.

Here's a plan.

1) Turkey joins EU as the muslim voice of Europe.
2) NATO/EU special forces, land forces and air support support Turkey.
3) With the aid of NATO/EU Turkey occupies Syria. The front line fighting is done with special forces/air support from allies with some regular none Turkish forces. Turkey does the actual occupation.
4) Syria is integrated as a part of Turkey, all Syrians get voting rights after 5-10 years of integration or something.
5) The now vastly greater Turkey gets NATO/EU assignment of keeping shit in the middle east in check.

Fair deal?

Wtf?
NasusAndDraven
Profile Joined April 2015
359 Posts
June 26 2015 20:17 GMT
#5994
On June 27 2015 04:16 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Yeah it's pretty fucked up.

Here's a plan.

1) Turkey joins EU as the muslim voice of Europe.
2) NATO/EU special forces, land forces and air support support Turkey.
3) With the aid of NATO/EU Turkey occupies Syria. The front line fighting is done with special forces/air support from allies with some regular none Turkish forces. Turkey does the actual occupation.
4) Syria is integrated as a part of Turkey, all Syrians get voting rights after 5-10 years of integration or something.
5) The now vastly greater Turkey gets NATO/EU assignment of keeping shit in the middle east in check.

Fair deal?


On June 27 2015 03:58 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2015 09:00 Aceace wrote:
On June 17 2015 21:15 NasusAndDraven wrote:
Does it say exactly where those pictures are taken? Acording to my sources the border crossing lastpuritan linked in previous page is now taken by the kurdish forces but it might be wrong.


Also does anyone know why the syrians try so violently to reach Turkey through the heavily guarded border? How hard is it to catch an illegal boat that would take them to EU? Millions of africans are able to do it every year. EU nations are not allowed to turn anyone of them back. And IIRC Sweden announced a long time ago that they would automaticly grant asylum status to anyone coming from Syria, so if they cant get jobs from italy, greece etc. they could just continue to Sweden and hit the welfare bucks.


Its complicated.

After WW1 and the fall of Ottomans, thousands of people separated from their families because of new borders. Lots of villages divided. Some of them become citizens of Turkey while others become citizens of Syria. For 90 years Turkey-Syria border wasn't heavily guarded like that. Especially on Muslim Holidays both sides met with their family members. Also lots of Syrian and Turkish were smuggling. Now Syrians tries to get in contact with frontier villages to somehow pass the border.

When the war between Assad and FSA started millions escaped to Turkey. Sweden offered to help 30k people but there is already 3 millon Syrians in Turkey. Also if they want to use illegal boats they have to pass IS, then FSA, then Assad regime. These 3 territories are extremely dangerous. But if they manage to get Turkey at least they will be away from war.


Lol what? 30k refuges? We have like 90k asylum seekers a year not to mention relatives and other economical refuges. Very many of them are Syrians. Yes it's nothing against the 3 million already in Turkey, for sure. But you are 80 million, we are only 9. And those are the numbers coming every year and have been coming for like 10 years or so (not all Syrians of course, there were other countries before that).

Do not count on Sweden taking in refuges for much longer. Parts of our welfare state is breaking down pretty fast over here. The anti immigration party has seen a rise in popularity which is like 3 times the previous records or so.
There's literally no housing left in some parts of the countries, in some parts the state are asking people to rent out their summer homes.

Edit: Turkey should just annex Syria. Honestly it would be the best solution. Get EU and USA support and just integrate it. Similar religion/culture, right now people would welcome peace. Fuck it just roll Assad/ISIS/FSA and if they don't step aside peshmerga as well.


Wow that is actually a good idea, just go man mode.

That is ofcourse if we ignore the fact that Syria is a close ally to Lebanon, Iran and Russia.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11721 Posts
June 26 2015 21:24 GMT
#5995
And the fact that the middle east tends to not be easy to control, at all. Of course, from a swedish PoV, turks and syrians have a pretty similar culture. I am pretty sure that they would disagree, though. How happy would you be if it were decided by Russia that Sweden should now be a part of Latvia? Do you think that would go over really swell?
lastpuritan
Profile Joined December 2014
United States540 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-26 21:26:34
June 26 2015 21:24 GMT
#5996
turks hate arabs, arabs hate turks.

second thinking, arabs hate arabs either except their tribes or religious sects

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Revolt
Isualin
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1903 Posts
June 26 2015 21:48 GMT
#5997
On June 27 2015 04:16 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
Yeah it's pretty fucked up.

Here's a plan.

1) Turkey joins EU as the muslim voice of Europe.
2) NATO/EU special forces, land forces and air support support Turkey.
3) With the aid of NATO/EU Turkey occupies Syria. The front line fighting is done with special forces/air support from allies with some regular none Turkish forces. Turkey does the actual occupation.
4) Syria is integrated as a part of Turkey, all Syrians get voting rights after 5-10 years of integration or something.
5) The now vastly greater Turkey gets NATO/EU assignment of keeping shit in the middle east in check.

Fair deal?

This plan is so naive and i am not even sure if you are joking or not.

Joining EU is not a priority for our current government. And i don't think we can represent the muslim world because we don't even have good relations with other middle east countries, especially our neighbours.
That kind of occupation would ruin our economy. Europe can leave after the initial fight but we will be left to deal with the opposition for years. Pkk is already a menace we are dealing with for years and we lost hundreds of soldiers to them. If we occupied syria there would be ypg to deal with as well as isis remnants and syrian regime loyalists.
There are 3 million syrian refugees all around Turkey. They cost a lot of money to us already but compared to cost of "keeping shit in the middle east in check" it is nothing.
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Assault_1
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1950 Posts
June 26 2015 22:00 GMT
#5998
happy 300'th page!
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4742 Posts
June 30 2015 06:35 GMT
#5999
So? Any news? A friend of mine posted that Turkey is crushing hard on Kurdish villages along the border in preparation of Syrian operation but i dont trust his source. Can anyone confirm?
Pathetic Greta hater.
lastpuritan
Profile Joined December 2014
United States540 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-30 11:16:14
June 30 2015 09:31 GMT
#6000
turkey doesn't have an administration yet, they are spreading rumors via newspapers to cease rising kurdish movement inside syrian border, dont expect anything before august.

State Department spokesman Mark Toner said there were "serious logistical challenges" in creating such buffer zones but he had not seen any concrete evidence either Jordan or Turkey, which both share borders with war-torn Syria, were considering such a zone.
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