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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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NasusAndDraven
359 Posts
Edit. With further tought, i doupt it. Many people still believe Assad is allied with the IS despite them killing tens of thousands of enemy soldiers combined. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On July 24 2015 18:40 NasusAndDraven wrote: I guess finally there will be no more of Turkey allied with the IS propaganda. Edit. With further tought, i doupt it. Many people still believe Assad is allied with the IS despite them killing tens of thousands of enemy soldiers combined. Mostly there are allegations of Turkey (and Saudis and Qatar) cooperating with al-Nusra which is an al-Quaeda branch. And there are probably a lot of fighters that Turkey brought to Syria and that they supported or trained that joined al-Nusra and later ISIS. ISIS and al-Nusra (and therefore also Turkey) being enemies nowadays is not news to anyone. And of course there are the allegations that Turkey does not do anything about ISIS as long as they attack Kurds. They surely see PKK/YPG as a bigger problem than ISIS. | ||
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lastpuritan
United States540 Posts
Turkey's government has vowed to continue targeting Islamic State (IS) militants, after launching air strikes against their positions in Syria. Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said the air strikes, the first by Turkey on IS, "completely destroyed" their targets. Turkish forces and IS fighters traded fire on Thursday near the Syrian border. One Turkish soldier was killed. And early on Friday, Turkish police launched raids against IS and Kurdish militants, arresting 297 people. The arrests come after the PKK's military wing said it killed two Turkish police officers on Wednesday. The group claims the men collaborated with IS in the bombing of a Kurdish activists' group on Monday that killed 32 people. In Istanbul, more than 5,000 officers helped search 140 properties. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33654021 Davutoğlu said that the warplanes had been “100 percent” successful in eliminating their targets. “Whichever terrorist organization poses a threat to the borders of the Turkish Republic, measures will be taken without hesitation,” said Davutoğlu. “No-one should have any doubt. “We are observing activity in Syria and on the border at every moment. Turkey will show the strongest reaction to the slightest movement that threatens it. “The operation against ISIL reached its target and will not stop,” he added. http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-pm-davutoglu-vows-to-pursue-operations-against-isil-pkk-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=85880&NewsCatID=338 http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/one-killed-over-290-detained-as-turkish-police-raid-suspected-isil-pkk-militants.aspx?pageID=238&nID=85854&NewsCatID=509 ![[image loading]](http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/images/news/201507/n_85885_1.jpg) A senior Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) leader based in Istanbul was among those detained in a series of sweeping police operations, according to Anadolu Agency. Halis Bayancuk, a senior ISIL leader based in Istanbul, also known by his jihadi nickname “Abu Hanzala,” was detained on July 24 along with his wife in an anti-terror police operation against ISIL-linked suspects in Istanbul, the agency said. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
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lastpuritan
United States540 Posts
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33663005 "We have approved the third wave of airstrikes in Syria [against ISIL] and the second wave in Iraq [against PKK]," Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu said in a press conference on July 25. But on this occasion planes also bombed positions of the PKK in neighbouring Iraq, where the outlawed group’s military forces are based. "Strikes were carried out on targets of the Daesh (ISIL) terror group in Syria and the PKK terror group in northern Iraq," the office of Davutoğlu said in a statement. It said shelters and warehouses containing PKK weapons were hit in the northern Iraq operation, listing seven locations where the strikes had been carried out including Mount Kandil, where the PKK’s military leadership is based. In addition to the air raids, Turkish ground forces also carried out artillery strikes against ISIL in Syria and the PKK in northern Iraq, the statement said. "At around 11:00 pm (2000 GMT) tonight, Turkish warplanes started bombing our positions near the border, accompanied by heavy artillery shelling," PKK spokesman in Iraq Bakhtiar Dogan confirmed to AFP. The murders, which marked an upsurge in violence in Turkey’s southeast, was followed by kidnappings and attacks by the PKK in the past couple of days. PKK militants bombed a police headquarters in Diyarbakır late July 24, injuring 7 police officers. On the same day, they also kidnapped a policeman on the highway between Diyarbakır and Bingöl, as well as three health officers in Erzurum. The policeman and three health officers were later released. 15 workers who were kidnapped by the PKK in Şırnak on July 25, however, remain captive. Before the Turkish govenrmend launched the now-stalled peace bid, the PKK had routinely kidnapped Turkish civil servants, workers and soldiers in the country’s southeast. Incirlik is ready, Turkey joins coalition operations finally. http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-fighter-jets-to-join-anti-isil-coalition-airstrikes.aspx?pageID=238&nID=85910&NewsCatID=510 Dont know why PKK is attacking Turkey when Turkey decides to fight ISIS. Can anyone explain? | ||
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frontliner2
Netherlands844 Posts
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
On July 25 2015 21:25 frontliner2 wrote: Turks hate Kurds. Turks (AKP/Erdogan) actually like Nusra and ISIS. Turks say they bomb ISIS and PKK but in fact they will show bomb some ISIS targets (abandoned mostly) and will fuck over all Kurds they can. This is Turkey anno 2015. Turks don't hate Kurds. There is a difference between Kurds and PKK/YPG, which is a terrorist organization that Turks actually hate. I know that the West loves to paint this picture of YPG as hippies who love nothing more than gender equality and democracy, however the fact is that that is a ruse aimed to conceal the fact that both of these groups have been active in eastern Turkey, Iraq and Iran for around three decades with the aim of creating a Kurdish state and they have not hesitated in killing thousands of people going about their daily business. Turkey doesn't care they have been fighting IS, what matters is that these terrorist organizations are a threat to her. They have killed two policeman and wounded many others this week. Ergo, the bombing. Don't expect a country to go easy on rebels and traitors like these. You can't give anyone who wants to form a state on your lands a free pass, that is not how the world works. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5811 Posts
On July 26 2015 01:26 Bleak wrote: Turks don't hate Kurds. There is a difference between Kurds and PKK/YPG, which is a terrorist organization that Turks actually hate. I know that the West loves to paint this picture of YPG as hippies who love nothing more than gender equality and democracy, however the fact is that that is a ruse aimed to conceal the fact that both of these groups have been active in eastern Turkey, Iraq and Iran for around three decades with the aim of creating a Kurdish state and they have not hesitated in killing thousands of people going about their daily business. Turkey doesn't care they have been fighting IS, what matters is that these terrorist organizations are a threat to her. They have killed two policeman and wounded many others this week. Ergo, the bombing. Don't expect a country to go easy on rebels and traitors like these. You can't give anyone who wants to form a state on your lands a free pass, that is not how the world works. How many innocent people has your country killed (and still denies that) and for no good reason whatsoever? While I disagree with some of their methods, I sympathize with their striving for independence. | ||
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
On July 26 2015 03:13 maybenexttime wrote: How many innocent people has your country killed (and still denies that) and for no good reason whatsoever? While I disagree with some of their methods, I sympathize with their striving for independence. I wonder if you would still have said the same thing if some part of the population in Poland had been doing the same thing. I wonder if you would still symphatize with them striving for independence. Do you expect us to just bend over and take it? To hell with, bombs are the only thing they'll be getting. That is the only sensible thing any state, any government will do to protect its integrity. And don't come to me with that Armenian propaganda. There is no evidence for genocide, at best you could call it ethnic cleansing and even that is shaky since not all of the Armenians were deported. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On July 26 2015 04:06 Bleak wrote: I wonder if you would still have said the same thing if some part of the population in Poland had been doing the same thing. I wonder if you would still symphatize with them striving for independence. Do you expect us to just bend over and take it? To hell with, bombs are the only thing they'll be getting. That is the only sensible thing any state, any government will do to protect its integrity. And don't come to me with that Armenian propaganda. There is no evidence for genocide, at best you could call it ethnic cleansing and even that is shaky since not all of the Armenians were deported. The UK actually did a referendum to see if Scotland should stay recently, in spite of the obvious peril to every imaginable national interest (military, economic, social) involved in doing so. And good for them. The British of course have learned the hard lesson that every people should be free to govern themselves if they so choose. If a US state wanted to secede tomorrow, as long as they were doing for autonomy and not as a means to some evil end (say, perpetuating slavery), I'd be okay with them holding a referendum to decide, and respecting that decision. And how many of us think Tibet ought to be a part of China? If they had the means to separate themselves, would we not support that separation? Bend over and take it... what bosh. It's not about your penis envy, it's about the right of a people to govern themselves. Yes, the PKK did some bad shit in the past. (So did Turkey, though its irrelevant to the argument and I don't expect to persuade you of that.) But the Kurds deserve to decide for themselves if they want a state. As of this moment, they basically have one. And it functions comparatively well. So let them have it. If they are in fact a drain on Turkey's resources, let them have it all the more. Don't cling to a relationship that died just so you can claim to have a girlfriend. Let her go. | ||
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
Dont know why PKK is attacking Turkey when Turkey decides to fight ISIS. Can anyone explain? Turkey is not going to just fight ISIS, it is also fighting PKK at the same time. PKK and Turkey are enemies and no "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" going on. Basically Syria is some sort of sad big FFA. | ||
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Soap
Brazil1546 Posts
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On July 26 2015 14:03 Soap wrote: It doesn't stop to amuse me that the developing countries that got their act straight (Brazil, South Africa and India) struggle to acquire american weapons like fighter jets (Brazil and SA had to go swedish, India russian and struggling to buy french) while countries such as Turkey, Egypt and Saudi Arabia are full to the brim of them. India hardly has its act together. SA, we thought there was a moment, then it all tumbled into shit. Brazil is of course a complicated question. Turkey, for what it's worth, was a reliable US ally and secular bastion in the Middle East not so many years ago. The Egypt deal is basically a sign of our deal with them to stop trying to destroy Israel. As for the Saudis... No good reason for that. Sense of them as counterbalance to Iran. Also, we generally sell weapons to help allies under threat or perception of threat. It's not like anybody's banging down Brazil or SA's door trying to invade. | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
Creepily enough, the KDP (or the Barzani clan) has been putting pressure on the PKK to leave the area that was recently bombed. http://www.basnews.com/en/news/2015/07/04/masrour-barzani-pkk-should-pullout-of-qandil-and-sinjar/ Unsurprisingly, the conspiracy theories are out with stating that the KDP has been giving intel to the Turkish air force. Like most conspiracy theories, this one is also not appropriate in political discussions, but let's not forget that this area was subject to a vicious civil war less than a generation ago. And Jaysh-al-Islam, the largest rebel faction has declared war on the Kurdish factions. ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKyoM8PWsAAU-ft.jpg) | ||
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frontliner2
Netherlands844 Posts
I don't have to look it up, I'll bet your ass they are Sharia driven. 1. Turkish Military get's rid of defenses of YPG/PKK and bombs the populace as well to instill panic 2. Islamist factions supported by Turkey (and thus NATO) will do the dirty work (killing and expelling the Kurdish populace). 3. There will be no Kurdish question anymore. Erdogan = win. Kurds were doing too much good against Islamists factions and Erdogan is pissed off now. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
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frontliner2
Netherlands844 Posts
On July 26 2015 19:44 Redox wrote: Let us not absolve the Kurds of all blame here. The PKK attack on Turkish policemen in retaliation for an ISIS bombing in a Turkish/Kurdish town was stupid and despicable. The Kurds deserve being destroyed by Islamists because the PKK retaliates. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On July 26 2015 19:57 frontliner2 wrote: The Kurds deserve being destroyed by Islamists because the PKK retaliates. I guess you want to be sarcastic here. But how is it the fault of those policemen that ISIS bombs a Kurdish town? Btw from what I heard Turks where as much victims of the bombing as Kurds. And supposedly the ISIS bomber was even Kurdish. So you might as well say the Kurds retaliated for a terror attack by a Kurd on Turks by attacking other Turks. Makes sense. | ||
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frontliner2
Netherlands844 Posts
On July 26 2015 20:02 Redox wrote: I guess you want to be sarcastic here. But how is it the fault of those policemen that ISIS bombs a Kurdish town? Btw from what I heard Turks where as much victims of the bombing as Kurds. And supposedly the ISIS bomber was even Kurdish. So you might as well say the Kurds retaliated for a terror attack by a Kurd on Turks by attacking other Turks. Makes sense. Ah you figured out the sarcastic tone. It was an ethnic kurd btw, not a cultural kurd, the bomber was an Islamist and THEY use suicide bombers on civilian gatherings. So they weren't bombed by their own kind (internal strife) they were bombed by a traitor amongst their ranks who commited treason and orchestrated a bombing helping the Kurds enemies. Ofcourse the PKK shouldn't be attacking the police. However the Kurds face genocide by ISIS and now even Turkey is (again) contributing to weakening and killing the Kurds essentially making them even more prone to ethnic cleansing. Besides Turkey was all too happy supporting the Islamist factions and frustrating the Kurds in Kobane. Erdogan was hoping Kobane would fall within a day when the siege started last september if I recall. Turks are incredibly nationalist and religious too it seems, they want nothing more than to DOMINATE the region from East Europe to North Africa and fantasize openly about restoring Ottoman Supremacy. Don't turn a blind eye people. Erdogan is all too happy bombing the Kurds and forming and supplying Islamist alliances with weapons, training, logistics and medical support. You know what Islamist Sharia imposing factions are really good at? Ethnic Cleansing and imposing sunni supremacy. | ||
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