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MarshalMeLee
Canada42 Posts
Minor gripes: - Bane's anticlimactic demise - Cops in pursuit had semi-irritating lines and observations - Not enough Cillian Murphy Don't quite understand the negativity for the film judged as a whole, but I digress. Can only say I personally left the theater a happy man. | ||
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Poffel
471 Posts
On July 30 2012 13:37 Zooper31 wrote: Batman had no intention of killing the passengers, they were constantly mentioning that Batman needed to make the drivers change course or the city was gonna blow up, how is killing the drivers going to achieve that. Can't drive if you're dead. You are correct that he indeed shot directly on the cabin of the truck. I believe Batman was within his principles, never killing anyone, to do this. Could you please tell me why I should assume that Batman acted upon command of Lucius (who, I assume, is the "they" you are referencing in your post) and would have wanted the truck to keep driving, given that it makes no sense (we're talking about a truck in a city on an island with no bridges), and more importantly given that Batman demonstrably had a different plan that he hadn't shared with Lucius, notably a plan that was better and obviously depended on the truck stopping? Additionally, if it wasn't Batman who killed them, who was it? The driver because he forgot to bring his fog light to see the street in case of heavy explosions on the windscreen? Why not the car manufacturer who didn't install air bags? | ||
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bibilisk
France44 Posts
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bibilisk
France44 Posts
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On July 30 2012 23:38 Poffel wrote: Could you please tell me why I should assume that Batman acted upon command of Lucius (who, I assume, is the "they" you are referencing in your post) and would have wanted the truck to keep driving, given that it makes no sense (we're talking about a truck in a city on an island with no bridges), and more importantly given that Batman demonstrably had a different plan that he hadn't shared with Lucius, notably a plan that was better and obviously depended on the truck stopping? Additionally, if it wasn't Batman who killed them, who was it? The driver because he forgot to bring his fog light to see the street in case of heavy explosions on the windscreen? Why not the car manufacturer who didn't install air bags? Because up until that point, they wanted to try to defuse the bomb, why? because Bruce and Wayne Industries had invested 50% of their total funds into the development of it and still hoped it could be used for the greater good. It wasn't until the very end that the chamber got flooded, and batman had no other out than take it out with him, and realized he could finally escape with his life, and leave behind batman as the shining symbol it was supposed to be. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On July 30 2012 23:38 Poffel wrote: Could you please tell me why I should assume that Batman acted upon command of Lucius (who, I assume, is the "they" you are referencing in your post) and would have wanted the truck to keep driving, given that it makes no sense (we're talking about a truck in a city on an island with no bridges), and more importantly given that Batman demonstrably had a different plan that he hadn't shared with Lucius, notably a plan that was better and obviously depended on the truck stopping? Additionally, if it wasn't Batman who killed them, who was it? The driver because he forgot to bring his fog light to see the street in case of heavy explosions on the windscreen? Why not the car manufacturer who didn't install air bags? His plan was to get them to turn from beginning. He only changed his plan after seeing what happened after the car crashed. Furthermore, it was the driver's fault because not only did he refuse to turn, but he kept on a straight course that led them straight into that gap in the road. | ||
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ZeroCartin
Costa Rica2390 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + 1) First scene Batman escaping the police was completely utter shit way to resolve from a writers standpoint. 2) The whole hymn of the US :/ I wanted the stadium to blow up much earlier. 3) I dont get the whole "Lets get EVERY FUCKN COP inside the tunnels" train of thought. Seriously that stupid to do it? And how did Bane know they would do this, and how did he prepare so well to get them ALL stuck inside? 4) Talia ending scene was horribad. 5) Bane puppy eyes ending scene  6) All cops go forward in a narrow lane against a concave curve of bad guys, ALL with uzis. They rush forward and start having battles with their fists. This was so lame. 7) No one can enter or leave Gotham. Yet somehow magically Bruce is in the middle of Gotham after he gets out of the prison and KNOWS where catwoman is. Apart from these scenes and a couple of stuff im sure im missing, the ending was pretty cool. I stayed for most of the credits but didnt see an extra scene coming. Was there one? | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
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Zooper31
United States5710 Posts
On July 30 2012 23:38 Poffel wrote: Could you please tell me why I should assume that Batman acted upon command of Lucius (who, I assume, is the "they" you are referencing in your post) and would have wanted the truck to keep driving, given that it makes no sense (we're talking about a truck in a city on an island with no bridges), and more importantly given that Batman demonstrably had a different plan that he hadn't shared with Lucius, notably a plan that was better and obviously depended on the truck stopping? Additionally, if it wasn't Batman who killed them, who was it? The driver because he forgot to bring his fog light to see the street in case of heavy explosions on the windscreen? Why not the car manufacturer who didn't install air bags? You should assume it because it's what happened. Lucius was yelling which directions the truck needed to take in order to get the core back to the reactor in time. This was all happening as Batman was shooting at the truck making him turn down different streets. Once Talia took control of the truck and made the driver stop avoiding rockets, he crashed and flew off the road. The truck never needed to go over the bridges and leave the island, just back to where it came from. You can't say Batman had planned all along to sacrifice himself and fake his own death, he came to that conclusion once the truck was no longer mobile and the reactor got flooded with no time left. He was forced to come up with a new plan. I've alrdy stated my opinion on how Batman wasn't responsible for their deaths. He showed them he was willing to use force to stop them, they ignored him and pushed on anyways resulting in their deaths. On July 31 2012 02:25 Kazeyonoma wrote: wait, did the US NOT sneak in a handful of CIA agents. and did they not afterwards get their asses kicked? so if they could sneak in a small group of people, you seriously think, mofo'ing BATMAN, 1 guy, can't get back into the city too? cmon people need to stop nitpicking this. Also this completely, stop nitpicking how he got back into the city. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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levelping
Singapore759 Posts
If your answer is "he's batman" then why doesn't he know where lucius is and instead needed catwomans help? | ||
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EpiK
Korea (South)5757 Posts
On July 31 2012 03:59 levelping wrote: So if we accept he could sneak into Gotham, how did he know where cat woman was? If your answer is "he's batman" then why doesn't he know where lucius is and instead needed catwomans help? Lucius and the other Wayne enterprise board members were held in a particular location because of their knowledge of the reactor. Catwomen was just out in the open and she was still probably staying at her old apartment, where bruce has already been in, and if not there were earlier scenes of her being out in public anyways. Bruce probably could have figured out where Lucius was after some sleuthing because "he's batman" but that would've taken time, which he can't really spare considering there's a bomb. It's much easier just to ask catwoman. Plus, he wanted her help for saving the city, not just for finding lucius, so that's another reason to talk with he.r On July 30 2012 13:34 Melo. wrote: Did anyone else feel Bane was the only villain who truly instilled a sense of helplessness, where the audience begins to think "Damn, can Batman really do it?". Obviously we know Batman was gonna win before the movie started, but the type of feeling Bane/Nolan were able to create was something truly unique IMO. yup, totally agree. I first got a hint of it when Batman saves catwoman in their first encounter, and Bane is just standing there on the building looking at the batcopter fly away. All I kept thinking during that was "shit Bane probably wants that batcopter. Batman's fucked." | ||
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Chillax
England585 Posts
It was a great elseworlds tale but I still havent seen a definitive Batman on screen. | ||
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shinosai
United States1577 Posts
Batman Begins: Lucius Fox says that the batsuit armor would "stop a knife." TDK: Batman has the armor altered for flexibility, but Lucius says the armor would now be more vulnerable to knives and gunfire. + Show Spoiler + TDKR: Batman gets stabbed by a knife. | ||
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Poffel
471 Posts
Ok, I give up. You've convinced me. It always takes two to get shot, one who fires, and another one who stands (or in this case: drives) in the way of the projectile... naturally, the victim is to blame. Furthermore, Batman eventually made the final plan up on the spot. | ||
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Kuni
Austria765 Posts
If Heath was able to do it, despite his usual pretty faggot-like roles as an actor before TDK, why can't others play villains convincingly :-( The Dark Knight Rises was "good" but it just wasn't "IT" and it left me disappointed because I expected it to be better, based on it's predecessor so to speak. Puppy-eye Bane? ... FUCK YOU, I wished I had left the cinema -.- User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5710 Posts
On July 31 2012 07:38 Poffel wrote: @Talia's death Ok, I give up. You've convinced me. It always takes two to get shot, one who fires, and another one who stands (or in this case: drives) in the way of the projectile... naturally, the victim is to blame. Furthermore, Batman eventually made the final plan up on the spot. Simply put, a character is either prepared for a highly unlikely scenario Taken from your link. Therefore it wasn't Batman's plan A but if it happened he had plan B. Can't really argue whether he had plan B or whether he came up with it after the fact, can't read his mind. Just going by what the movie gives us. | ||
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IMHope
Korea (South)1241 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
in rise, it feels like the first act takes up the first hour of the film, normally this isnt a problem, but contrasted against tdk it makes the film feel like it comes to a close an hour too soon, because you forget about the first 45 minutes. this isnt rises fault its just a little jarring comparing the two, and im aware of the difference between a second and third film of a trilogy, i just really enjoyed the pacing on tdk over rise and was hoping nolan would break the mold and use the same form for this film | ||
Falling
Canada11265 Posts
I imagine someone else has posted this on here somewhere, but it was bugging me since seeing it. On July 28 2012 18:54 Poffel wrote: Did anybody else get the impression that Batman/Bruce Wayne suffered from the "Frodo effect" in Dark Knigh Rises? Somehow it seemed to me as if Christian Bale played only a supporting role, and the whole plot seemed to be driven by other characters taking actions, making plans, and at times elaborating on their plans - while Batman was either in reactionary mode (for most of the movie) or seemed to charge problems heads-on (which both, at least for me, feels somewhat un-Batman-like, at least in comparison to his most iconic comic adaptations aka "world's greatest detective"/"earth's most dangerous man"). It was more of an ensemble story, which might have thrown some people off. I've heard the movie described as more a Bruce Wayne story than a Batman story. I quite enjoyed it minus a couple nitpicks, but I thought it was a decent ending to the trilogy. | ||
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