On July 31 2012 07:38 Poffel wrote: @Talia's death
Ok, I give up. You've convinced me. It always takes two to get shot, one who fires, and another one who stands (or in this case: drives) in the way of the projectile... naturally, the victim is to blame. Furthermore, Batman eventually made the final plan up on the spot.
Simply put, a character is either prepared for a highly unlikely scenario
Taken from your link. Therefore it wasn't Batman's plan A but if it happened he had plan B. Can't really argue whether he had plan B or whether he came up with it after the fact, can't read his mind. Just going by what the movie gives us.
Sigh. To be honest, I had intended to leave it at that, but the part about mind-reading made me angry... unlike you, I never made any claims about Batman's true intentions (you know, stuff like "therefore it wasn't Batman's plan A"). Seriously, I don't care about your mystical insights at all. If you manage to actually read my initial question, you'll see that it wasn't whether Batman conducted murder, manslaughter or negligent killing, and neither if he was homicidal, reckless or stupid... it was whether someone besides me had a problem with Batman shooting and killing people.
Since the question whether Batman shot and killed people isn't open for debate (in your own words: let's go "by what the movie gives us"... by the way, especially funny after you reconfirmed a poster who made stuff up that didn't happen), and since the obvious answer to my actual question is "no", I see no point in dragging this any further only for it to become some kind of last man standing-debate. Nevertheless, please be assured that me not answering your next reply won't have anything to do with me acknowledging your opinion.
On July 31 2012 02:25 Kazeyonoma wrote: wait, did the US NOT sneak in a handful of CIA agents. and did they not afterwards get their asses kicked? so if they could sneak in a small group of people, you seriously think, mofo'ing BATMAN, 1 guy, can't get back into the city too? cmon people need to stop nitpicking this.
My biggest issue was how he got from Buttfucknowhereistan back to America (?), I know he had like 20 days and he's Bruce mofuckin' Wayne but still, he's broke. Yes, he has resources and friends in high places, but it would have been nice to just include some detail of how he did it
On July 31 2012 07:38 Poffel wrote: @Talia's death
Ok, I give up. You've convinced me. It always takes two to get shot, one who fires, and another one who stands (or in this case: drives) in the way of the projectile... naturally, the victim is to blame. Furthermore, Batman eventually made the final plan up on the spot.
Simply put, a character is either prepared for a highly unlikely scenario
Taken from your link. Therefore it wasn't Batman's plan A but if it happened he had plan B. Can't really argue whether he had plan B or whether he came up with it after the fact, can't read his mind. Just going by what the movie gives us.
Sigh. To be honest, I had intended to leave it at that, but the part about mind-reading made me angry... unlike you, I never made any claims about Batman's true intentions (you know, stuff like "therefore it wasn't Batman's plan A"). Seriously, I don't care about your mystical insights at all. If you manage to actually read my initial question, you'll see that it wasn't whether Batman conducted murder, manslaughter or negligent killing, and neither if he was homicidal, reckless or stupid... it was whether someone besides me had a problem with Batman shooting and killing people.
Since the question whether Batman shot and killed people isn't open for debate (in your own words: let's go "by what the movie gives us"... by the way, especially funny after you reconfirmed a poster who made stuff up that didn't happen), and since the obvious answer to my actual question is "no", I see no point in dragging this any further only for it to become some kind of last man standing-debate. Nevertheless, please be assured that me not answering your next reply won't have anything to do with me acknowledging your opinion.
What kind of way is that to start a response? "I didn't want to respond anymore but I will anyway" Just stop responding its obvious we arn't going to agree and we should just leave it at that. If this is making you angry and you don't want to respond to me then don't.
unlike you, I never made any claims about Batman's true intentions
Yes you did. You assumed Batmans planned all along was to destroy their vehicle and take the bomb over the ocean the entire time, which is false and you can't really argue that unless you believe Batman is totally acting out of character.
Also what mystical insights do I have? Just restating what happened in the movies, nothing more. Yes I know how your original question was worded, thats how this whole thing started. I still disagree as to Batman shooting and killing people per the context of what happened.
Anyway I guess I'll be done too and since this isn't going to go anywhere good.
On July 31 2012 02:25 Kazeyonoma wrote: wait, did the US NOT sneak in a handful of CIA agents. and did they not afterwards get their asses kicked? so if they could sneak in a small group of people, you seriously think, mofo'ing BATMAN, 1 guy, can't get back into the city too? cmon people need to stop nitpicking this.
My biggest issue was how he got from Buttfucknowhereistan back to America (?), I know he had like 20 days and he's Bruce mofuckin' Wayne but still, he's broke. Yes, he has resources and friends in high places, but it would have been nice to just include some detail of how he did it
Well, the movie is 2:40 hours long, would you really want that? =p
On July 31 2012 02:25 Kazeyonoma wrote: wait, did the US NOT sneak in a handful of CIA agents. and did they not afterwards get their asses kicked? so if they could sneak in a small group of people, you seriously think, mofo'ing BATMAN, 1 guy, can't get back into the city too? cmon people need to stop nitpicking this.
My biggest issue was how he got from Buttfucknowhereistan back to America (?), I know he had like 20 days and he's Bruce mofuckin' Wayne but still, he's broke. Yes, he has resources and friends in high places, but it would have been nice to just include some detail of how he did it
Well, the movie is 2:40 hours long, would you really want that? =p
Maybe just a scene of him stealing a cellphone and calling someone, idk, some closure :p
On July 31 2012 02:25 Kazeyonoma wrote: wait, did the US NOT sneak in a handful of CIA agents. and did they not afterwards get their asses kicked? so if they could sneak in a small group of people, you seriously think, mofo'ing BATMAN, 1 guy, can't get back into the city too? cmon people need to stop nitpicking this.
My biggest issue was how he got from Buttfucknowhereistan back to America (?), I know he had like 20 days and he's Bruce mofuckin' Wayne but still, he's broke. Yes, he has resources and friends in high places, but it would have been nice to just include some detail of how he did it
Well, the movie is 2:40 hours long, would you really want that? =p
Maybe just a scene of him stealing a cellphone and calling someone, idk, some closure :p
And then you have the "OMG it happened too fast.. ruined the movie for me!" crowd -.-.
On July 31 2012 16:47 madsc2 wrote: god damn what a good movie
Though i enjoyed it too, I've made a mistake : i watched it in French. And it's painful to hear... Bane is just awfully ridiculous when he speaks...
I don't know how is the original version, but I think it's can only be better...^_^
Apart from that, a good movie (if you don't pay attention to some strange details as the "Explosive concrete", which made me go "Errrrm... ", and my buddy who's done studies in Building construction go "what the f*** ?")
On July 31 2012 02:25 Kazeyonoma wrote: wait, did the US NOT sneak in a handful of CIA agents. and did they not afterwards get their asses kicked? so if they could sneak in a small group of people, you seriously think, mofo'ing BATMAN, 1 guy, can't get back into the city too? cmon people need to stop nitpicking this.
My biggest issue was how he got from Buttfucknowhereistan back to America (?), I know he had like 20 days and he's Bruce mofuckin' Wayne but still, he's broke. Yes, he has resources and friends in high places, but it would have been nice to just include some detail of how he did it
Forget about how he got back, what about when he arrived to save Gordon and those other men from exile, he then told Gordon to take the flare and light up that trail, which lead to that building to create the bat symbol. I mean he had time to set all that up even though there were more pressing matters at hand! I thought that was kind of funny when I saw it
On July 31 2012 02:25 Kazeyonoma wrote: wait, did the US NOT sneak in a handful of CIA agents. and did they not afterwards get their asses kicked? so if they could sneak in a small group of people, you seriously think, mofo'ing BATMAN, 1 guy, can't get back into the city too? cmon people need to stop nitpicking this.
My biggest issue was how he got from Buttfucknowhereistan back to America (?), I know he had like 20 days and he's Bruce mofuckin' Wayne but still, he's broke. Yes, he has resources and friends in high places, but it would have been nice to just include some detail of how he did it
In batman beyond begins he managed to get to the Himalayas with a hobo's coat.
On July 31 2012 09:36 Falling wrote: Could not figure out where I recognized the CIA agent from. Petyr Baelish from Game of Thrones. I imagine someone else has posted this on here somewhere, but it was bugging me since seeing it.
He also plays a major role in the last two seasons of the best serie I've seen, The Wire.
The movie is a roller coaster of nonsense BS shot with very high production value and famous actors. For me it was pretty much like Armageddon, even with the "emotional" scenes in between. The sad reality is that you can't make a good movie with a budget of 350 mil. BB was fresh and good, TDK was good too cause it was carried by marketing and the performance of HL. Sadly throwing even more money and making it longer, doesn't mean the movie is going to leave a deeper impact. TDKR wasn't even good enough to keep me in it not thinking about the obvious flaws with it. And thats the thing with all Nolan movies - if anything he always manages to create a good cinematic experience which lasts as long as the movie and shortly after. Even that was missing for me from the TDKR.
On July 30 2012 19:08 MarshalMeLee wrote: I was for some reason expecting a lot worse of a movie than this. It was a fine show and highly entertaining.
Minor gripes: - Bane's anticlimactic demise - Cops in pursuit had semi-irritating lines and observations - Not enough Cillian Murphy
Don't quite understand the negativity for the film judged as a whole, but I digress. Can only say I personally left the theater a happy man.
Ugh. Bolded part irritates me. It's been a constant throughout the series too. Begins had the cops and that gas guy in Wayne Tower. In DKR we get the cops again and the military 'it was over the ocean' guy. Seriously Nolan we don't need these points spelled out for us.
Anyway saw it today. I rate them DKR = BB > DK. Anyone else think Nolan overdoes his music? This movie and the Dark Knight AND Inception all had really hard to hear dialogue at parts, mainly I think because of the overbearing music running throughout.
I loved Batman Begins and The DK wasnt bad. But I still think Batman and Robin has been the closest to the Batman Universe - MR FREEZE is still the ultimate bad ass for my money.
Can't really tell if this is a troll, but if it isn't , I'm glad I came across the first guy I am likely to meet that thinks Batman and Robin is a good film, let alone the best Batman.
Will post what I thought of the movie later, but had to get this out because I nearly died reading it earlier in this thread, but before that I need to drink to get this out of my head.
I loved Batman Begins and The DK wasnt bad. But I still think Batman and Robin has been the closest to the Batman Universe - MR FREEZE is still the ultimate bad ass for my money.
Can't really tell if this is a troll, but if it isn't , I'm glad I came across the first guy I am likely to meet that thinks Batman and Robin is a good film, let alone the best Batman.
Will post what I thought of the movie later, but had to get this out because I nearly died reading it earlier in this thread, but before that I need to drink to get this out of my head.
keep in mind he didnt say "good film" he said "closest to the batman universe". A film can be bad but stay true to the original story/universe, though I didn't read the comics so I don't know if that's true.
On July 31 2012 18:01 disciple wrote: The movie is a roller coaster of nonsense BS shot with very high production value and famous actors. For me it was pretty much like Armageddon, even with the "emotional" scenes in between. The sad reality is that you can't make a good movie with a budget of 350 mil. BB was fresh and good, TDK was good too cause it was carried by marketing and the performance of HL. Sadly throwing even more money and making it longer, doesn't mean the movie is going to leave a deeper impact. TDKR wasn't even good enough to keep me in it not thinking about the obvious flaws with it. And thats the thing with all Nolan movies - if anything he always manages to create a good cinematic experience which lasts as long as the movie and shortly after. Even that was missing for me from the TDKR.
Ya see... maybe I'm just different... but I thought Bane was absolutely fantastic, and truly the highlight of the movie. Had the intimidation, the cunning and smarts that Bane is supposed to have, and the fists to back up his character.
It was the rest of the movie being shoddy that hurt it, with Bane being the saving grace.
Again, I liked the film--it was worth the fee to get in and all, but it was just my least favorite of the series. Not enough emotional investment developed to really care about most of the characters.
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